http://www.goasiapacific.com/news/GoAsiaPa...BNA_1134337.htm

I don't understand them either.

First they molest innocent children, and now this...

This also happens in the philippines

tell me about it bryon.

Catholics have always been a pain in the @$$. They are truly hyprocritical.

Hong Kong:

catholics priest tries to get their @$$ in policitics.

They go on these so call democracy demonstration, then they oppose democracy in Schools. They want total power, they dont want to parents and teachers to hvae a say. (hyprocrities)

They molest children, and try to hide it, by saying "well we didnt want hurt the boys feelings" The ironic thing is that the boy now a man claims that he always wanted to sue the priest, but the catholics have been stopping him. (hyprocrities again)

Then the HK police told the public, that they are stilll investigating about 12 Cat Priest. That Bishop went crazy, and critized the HK police, for giving a warning to the public. ITs really hyprocritical when these catholics, hvae been yelling for transparency, democracy, etc. Yet they opppose it themsevles.

Some of those really famous Catholic politicians, would go to US, and make it sound like HK is really really bad. Their show disgust me. I am so sick that these catholics pigs, is making my kind look like a dog, and a US @$$ kisser.

I am very communist when it comes to religion. BAN IT.i

Byron, help me clear up some confusion here. You find it absolutely detestable that a person is protesting unity, but you don't see anything wrong with taking away his freedom for 10 years just for peacefully protesting? I'm sorry my Vietnamese brother, but you need to reevaluate what's right and wrong.

Who knows?

You can give the priest the benefit of the doubt - I'm very sure he didn't protest so he could specifically starve kids. But my take on this is that one man's protest is definitely does not justify 5 years of jail and 5 years of house arrest - and this is the much larger issue. You report to the forum how a Catholic priest is trying to stifle economic progress and the consequence is that the communist takes away 10 years of his life - this only goes to show just how evil the government is. Your reaction should be, "So that's why so many people are against the Vietnamese government, look at what they do to their own people." I know I sound very self-righteous right now, but I am right: the communist government is the entity that hurts its own people the most.

Interesting.

I know Ngo Dinh Diem was Catholic and he was very oppressive to the Buddhists. But South Viet Nam is gone and bringing up its past transgressions does not justify communist oppression of today.


And what do you mean the communists made Catholicism an offical religion of Viet Nam? You don't mean it in the same sense as Protestant-ism (?) is the official religion of England, are you?

Very interesting.

Why do you feel that way? Choosing who you want to worship is an inherent right, not a privilege that someone should be appreciative of. I'm agnostic myself, and no one has the right to force me to worship Jesus or Shiva; likewise, no one has the rights to force the Catholics to worship someone else or no one else.


And if someone sent troops with guns to invade my holy Temple for No One, I would be very very pissed. Byron, what they're doing is oppression of religion - and I don't blame the Catholics for protesting.

Interesting

You're comparing two very different things: an economic system and religious beliefs. Like I said, religious beliefs is and should be an unalienable right. It is a very personal thing and should be kept that way.



You know very well that the troops aren't there to listen to preachings. Like you said, they're there to monitor and censor what priests say; and if the priests say something wrong, they get arrested, with the news article being the case in point. That qualifies as an invasion of their church and oppression - that's nothing to be grateful about.

Hmmmm.

I certainly agree - S. VN was definitely not the haven for religious freedom. But like I said, blaming S. VN does not justify today's oppression. I've argued with Americans about My Lai, and they justify it by saying "well, if it was Viet Nam that invaded America, the VCs would have raped and killed American civilians." I know you agree with me that the justifications the Americans give is bullsh!t - that's not what happened and speaking hypothetically does not do anything. Likewise, speaking about S. VN's past and what they would have done had they won have no bearings today and certainly does not right any wrongs by the communists. So please just stop referring to S. VN.




Actually, it's more like "I'll scrutinize every little thing you do, make you cower in my presence, and if you say anything wrong, I'll throw your @$$ in jail." Hardly sounds fair.

Sorry but your example doesn't work. The difference is the VC never invaded America, while South Vietnam government had the chance to run South Vietnam, and they decided to do some religious oppression. So both sides were tested in religious oppression and in the end South Vietnam was worse.

When I talked about hypothetical situations, I was referring to what you said: "If South Vietnam won then they would probably ban communism" - I don't think you worded that exactly right but I know what you meant. But talking "ifs" is pointless.

I'm reiterating that bringing up past sins of the S. VN's government does not justify any sins of today's government. Do you agree with that? If so, then I would appreciate it if you leave the now gone South Viet Nam out of this thread since we've come to the point where we are now just repeating ourselves.

Don't you get it, Byron is a communist...............

arguing with him is like arguing with a brick wall..........

Who knows?

I think the topic heading is a bunch of BS. No the Catholic priests are not trying to destroy the government, and no they have nothing to do with the child molestations done by American, Australian and western Catholic priests.

I support those guys in Vietnam. They're the lonely voice for freedom and change within Vietnam, we must support them.

Why do u keep repeating that? U think Vietnamese Catholics really want others to come and ruin the country that is yours as well as it is mine? Why are u always after Catholics? I have read your other posts where u talk about Catholics like they were no good..

No we must support the goverrnment, these catholic priest are screwing up the country, they don't even care about the suffereing children. They should be hanged not jailed.

We must eliminate those that oppose the government, we must opress all minorities so they don't screw with us. Long Live the Vietcongs, long live communism.

All you Viet-ams must burn

:genius:

Do you even know what you're saying?

I was being sarcastic, no i mean I was trying to help Byron

Well at least try to make it sounds like you're being sarcastic. We're sitting in front of PCs you know? Not in front of you so can't really see your facial expression

Sorry Master I will try harder next time

ok , keep bowing until i say so !!

I agree with Nero.
I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the way the Catholic church has handled a lot of issues. But I don't think that everyone that is associated with the church should pay for the abuses of a small portion of the organization.
I certainly don't see how in htis particular case this priest should be imprisoned.
It is a shame that some bad apples can make the entire apple tree appear rotten.

You shut you pie hole

You're not my master, he will kick your @$$

is that u in ur signature Rei , you are a very handsome and clever boy !!

No that is your future son

nah , hes kinda look like u more than my future son which i have no idea what hes gonna look like (definitely not that)

HAHAHAH

it is man

Look at your avator, they both have the same smile

So it must be your son

HAHAHAHAH

haha lol , is that ur wife in ur avatar , can i touch her boobs , they are attractive man !! i cant stop look at those

they are there for perving only, no touchy touchy

only I may stroke those coconuts

ok

mmm wish they were on a MILF

Stop dreaming, those coconuts are limited edition

MILF ones are all dried up and soggy, thats why you should stick with nice firm teenage breast.

Fact: all region are good, it teaches, and educates people to behave better... However there are some bad guys abusing it for political gains, and their own selfish purposes.
"Nguyen Anh cong ran can ga nha", he is the man to blame for the French colonial.

We the Vietnamases all know that "there is not such a thing as a free lunch". No help is for free. We donot want to be influenced by foreign forces, first was 1000 yrs with the Chinese, and them the French....

I donot think blaming the priest would solve the problmes. There are bad guys dressing as a priest, but spritually he is not.

This is a discussion forum, we exchange our opinions only. We might have different region, political belief... we are all Vietnamese. Our highly civilized culture tells us not to discrimate against ourselves; blame the bad guys not "vo dua ca nam"

And I agreed with you the first time you said it: S. VN under Ngo Dinh Diem was very oppressive of Buddhism - I know that. But the issue was the priest losing 10 years of his life for peacefully protesting - I don't see how you could bring S. VN up unless you believe this priest and all other Catholics should be held accountable for a past wrongdoing by a certain group of people. And if you believe that, then you would be wrong.




I detest the communist government for keeping the country poor and their people miserable. I don't blame the general population because they followed the Viet Cong because 1) of the great propaganda of the communists 2) they wanted to fight for VN's independence 3) they didn't fully know what a country under a communist regime would be like. You said so yourself: your uncle was a Viet Cong, but those in power hid their real aims from him and people like him who loves their country. No, I don't blame the people - I blame the govt for their corrupt intentions and how they were sneaky about it by hiding it behind a call for Viet Nam's independence.

"I detest the communist government for keeping the country poor and their people miserable. I don't blame the general population because they followed the Viet Cong because 1) of the great propaganda of the communists 2) they wanted to fight for VN's independence 3) they didn't fully know what a country under a communist regime would be like. You said so yourself: your uncle was a Viet Cong, but those in power hid their real aims from him and people like him who loves their country. No, I don't blame the people - I blame the govt for their corrupt intentions and how they were sneaky about it by hiding it behind a call for Viet Nam's independence. "

To Byron, NQSH...
Hello, nobody wants to keep their countries poor, it is a matter of knowledge, support, education....

Viet Cong, who are they? Viet means the Vietnamese, Cong means Communist; in other words, The Vietnamese who believe in communism.
When it comes to belief; we all have the right to choose what we believe in, whether it is religion or politics...

After the Geneve negotiation, Vietnam was divided i.e The North, the South by the French? Nobody wants that happen to their country e.g Germany, Korea
A patriotic Vietnamese would ask him self/herself how to unify my country? What support and help do I need to do to achieve my goal?

At the time, there was two big powerful countries i.e Russia represents communism, the US represents wealth, democracy...
In my opinion, it was not easy to do it ourselves, we need support and help bearing in mind that "there is no such a thing as free lunch"
The US donot give away money for free, be practical.

What would happen to a country, when the leader of a country; his religion belief is different with the rest of the population. In Vietnam, buddism is the majority.
The Ngo's family, who set them up? I do not need to study political science to understand this.

The North, the Communists, who are they? did they have any foreign support or help to unify the country. Yes, they did, who helped Vietnam to win the war?. What was their purpose for the war?

The Russian and the US, they both wanted to influence Vietnam, we were caught in the middle. I think, if we could have done better? we probably would have.

Politicians, leaders they are all human, human is subject to error. We still keep talking, blaming about the past, we're never be able to look forward to the future. Consequently, Vietnam will not beneficial from this.

Come on, you guys get over it. We are proud of being Vietnamese, our highly civilized tradition, culture said that "Chin bo lam muoi", we must learn to forgive, tolerate and look forward to the future. That's the core of being a proud Vietnamese. We don't moan about the past

Please clarify - what do you mean by this? Are the two statements here related?

Actually there are always two definitions for the term Vietcong.

Your elaboration of the VC, as Vietnamese communists, regardless what part of the country they are from, is suitable for the vast majority of Vietnamese people.

But in the confusion of war and SVN's politic, the US and its allies had often mispelled, misfired or misunderstood many things. So according to them (and now some younger oversea Viets); the term VC was especially reserved for members of the National Liberation Front (or Mat Tran Giai Phong Mien Nam), a "supposedly non-communist southern nationalist entity" whose goal originally was to overthrow the government of President Ngo Dinh Diem. While it is true that many members of the NLF were never believers of communism (they were just simple farmers, or sophisticated city dwellers, etc... from the south who were very pissed-off at the governments of Diem and Thieu/Ky), the organisation was nonetheless infiltrated, manipulated and controlled by communist agents from the north since its birth.

Was you one of the childrens? , jk.

"Please clarify - what do you mean by this? Are the two statements here related? "
VN1234

The Ngo's families would not have had the power without the support of the French at the time.

What if G W Bush goes to a Pagoda instead of a Church, I do not think that he would become the US president, Am I right?

The Ngo's family is pro-catholic, They were set up by foreign power.

What I meant was in a democratic country, country leaders are voted by the people, and they often represent the majority. you can be an MP, or senator that represents group of majority people, but The president must represent the majority.

There are a few school of thoughts about war, e.g Vietnam would have been better off, if we were a US ally, e.g Truong Sa, Hoang Sa spratly island wouldn't be taken over by the Chinese (Chinese again), and Vietnam economy would have been more wealthy now. Vietnam's location is very strategic in the Southest Asia region, from Cam Ranh you can observe almost anything moving in and out of the region. The US loves this deep sea Port, I love it too.

In terms of diplomatic relation, if there is help, there will be string attached.
I have tried to imagine myself in that political situation, I would argue that I could have done better, but it does not solve anything problems because i am talking about the past.

I am studing at the moment, when i graduate i will go back to Vietnam and invest, employ Vietnamese worker, pay them well. I know that a lot of Vietnamese worker are ripped off by foreign investors i.e you guys probably know who they are. Foreign investors insults and humiliates local people on a regular basis, that is not very nice.

Would you guys do it? forget about religion, politics.

I have learned a lot from tattra as well.

oh ok - I though you meant that Buddhists set up Ngo Dinh Diem. Yeah I agree with you that foreign powers always enter our homeland with strings attached. Ngo Dinh Diem was really a puppet and didn't care much for the people (his sister was really a big influence on Ngo Dinh Diem and she said crap like "let them eat cake" copying Marie Antoinette to the starving citizens) but rather had his influence waved about by invisible prods and pokes. If you govern your country with external influence, then you aren't really for your country anymore.

My ex-girl friend was a catholic, everytimes I kissed her, she told the priest because she felt guilty about kissing before marriage?

I said to her that it was just a kiss, there is no need to confess to the priest, she still did not listen, then broke up afterwards.

Have you guys ever experienced something like that?

whoa now that was weird - ive heard of no sex before marriage - but no kissing?

Heh...I know a lot of Catholic girls who did almost everything in the Kama Sutra and still believe they were virgins; then turn around to condemn you to hell for something stupid like farting in church. Goddamn hypocrites.

Nero874

Are you serious? Virgin; there are two types of virgin, physically virgin and psychologically virgin; the latter means that she might play herself a lot, she is no longer physically virgin, but she is still psychologically virgin.

The only thing i am not happy with catholic girls is they confess everything to the priest.