as vietcongs or north vietnamese army soldiers?

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My grandfarther was from the North but fleed, when the commies took control, to the south were he fought VietCong soldiers.. He once told he threw a handgrenade towards 2 VC's and then he heard a loud screaming and pieces were flying everywere...My family are very anticommunist..

thats fuked !!

My maternal grandpa loved his people and country very much and was this close *holds up two fingers half an inch apart* to going into the jungles to fight alongside the Viet Minhs against the French. But a priest showed him the communist's stance on religion (he's very Catholic) so he stayed...then fled to South Viet Nam later. He's one of the many people who only became communist for their nationalistic fight against the French, but became very anti when he found out their true intentions.

Same goes for my mom's cousin - he was very communist...believed in their ideals too, but changed his beliefs and is staunchly anti-communist - he loves his country to death and would return only if communism is abolished there - shows you how much he hates it.

Other than them, no one else in my family's communist that I know of.

Your uncle must be old!!

how old is her 80-90?

Same for my dad too, but I wish he would go back though, most of our relatives are back there, and I'm sure he missed them.

No one in my family is communist.

Well, still waiting Byron how old is your Uncle man??

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Some of my distant families relatives are Catholic communists, my distant brother was a communist captain, he was in the progress to become a general but he didn't have it because he is a catholic. But he still loves communism, I have no idea why?

I spoke to him once, the communist government has apologised all the patriotic catholic Vietnamese, who were ill-treated by them, the reason was misunderstanding.
There are Vietnamese catholic who loves their homeland to death.
Being catholic does not mean that you don't love your country.

Most of us in this forum are young, if we have to wait until the communist gone, then It is not likely to be soon I guess. I visit Saigon very year, I love it.

You guys think about this: if you are hungry, you can fight or do anything, if you and your family are able to make ends meet, then you are likely to think beyond your everyday need; in Vietnam most families are poor, they don't have time to think about freedom, democracy... once 70% of Vietnam population become relatively wealthy i.e. make ends meet, then they are more likely to think of something beyond food i.e. freedom and democracy. Do you agree?

Yea. But maybe less than 99%.. like 80-90%?

Yea. But maybe less than 99%.. like 80-90%?

Yep, even 70%;
Have you heard of the Hierachy of needs from Araham Maslows?
Once the hierachy of needs is met, people tend to think beyond everyday needs i.e. democracy, freedom..

In india maybe 30-50% live with less than one dollar a day or a little bit more.
However democracy works quite well. This is not perfect but it's a real democracy.

What works for India does not necessarily work in Vietnam.

India has low cast and high cast society, which Vietnam does not tolerate. Vietnamese people don't believe in low or high cast society.

Our old saying proves it "Quan Nhat Thoi, Dan Van Dai" means if you are an official, it's just a temporary position, it does not guarantee that your son will become an official whe you retire. But if you have good education, and a good person you are likely to become one regardless whether your parents poor or ignorant.

This is not a direct translation, I translated the old saying based on it meaning.

so most people here whos families fought for the viet cong are not communist in stance. but do you guys know any exvietcongs who hated the americans and fought adn killed us troops in vietnam who is now in the us.

Many , well actually their children.

Ex Vietcong-> Lots of them became officials -> Corruptions -->Very rich --> Send children to US.

Wrong b!tch. ha ha ha VC=betrayed by NVA, and many became boat people.

You didn't live in Saigon, so yea. You just assume things.

its kinda funny, i mean in my opinion the communist ruined alot of vietnams future, then they come go to the us, which they hated so much. and adhere to the capitlaistic culture they hated so much.

Take this you Viet Gian.

http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000354.html

"As was typical with communist conquests using indigenous anti-regime personnel, many of the remaining NLF and VC were themselves imprisoned in these camps, because the North’s rulers did not want people trained in subversion who might fight the new dictatorship. Thus, ironically, many former NLF and VC became “boat people.”"

Now what do you have to say? Trying to spread Anti-Vietnaemse properganda to make the Vietnamese people divided. tsk tsk tsk.

First try to spell propaganda right.

Second, I know personally many Ex-Vietcong because I was in "Thanh Nien Tien Phong" and in "Doan" before. Alas, you don't even know what they are unless you went to school in Vietnam. In front of my house, are 2 houses owned by an-ex Vietcong who turned to officials "Dang Vien". My mom used to work in the place owned by an Ex-VC who got several lands from the government. Her son is a well-known film-director who wasn't very nice to many people . I know several "Con ong chau cha" who is living in here, because I used to go to Le Quy Don Middle school. Well, a native saigon would know how "Truong Le Quy Don is" . I've been in these like Communist boyscout- it's called "Doi, doan". It was very fun though since you would go to many places, and a lot of people there don't really care about politics much, but still there was so many propagandas. Well, the leader of my camp's dad was an ex-VC, and his son is now in San Diego. .

Actually, Byron's right. The NVA betrayed their own allies, the VCs. What's documented is that the VCs were simply thanked for their efforts in the war, and then sent home while the men from Ha Noi took over every position of power in 1975.

As for undocumented (or at least I haven't found any sources stating so), my dad says the Tet Offensive was a strategy by the NVA to drastically reduce the VC's power - after the offensive, the VCs were practically weakened to the core that every major battle after that was fought by NVAs. They, higher ups at least, knew very well that the Tet Offensive would be a tragedy to the VCs when they planned it.

You can't trust a fscking communist.

That's what I've been trying to say. I'm pro VC, but anti NVA. VC are not communists, they are nationalist that had the same goals of kicking foreigners out.

NVA feared that after the Americans left than the NVA and VC would have to fight for power, so the NVA just got rid of them in the Tet offensive.

But whenever I tell anyone I support VC, they hate me and start calling me a communist.

Well to me, being pro-Vietnamese government, the one that grows fat with greed and corruption at the expense of the people, makes one a communist bed partner.

I'm pro-Vietnam, and I support the government since there is practically very little chance for another one to replace it anytime soon.

I mean we might as well support them since they do represent the country now, and if we boycott them, then the people of Vietnam will get hurt even more.

I know your intentions are good, but realize that any support for anything the government is associated with is only going to let their regime prosper and sends the message that people can get away with corruption, which would only encourage it.

Think about it. Ok the VN government embezzles money. Say they keep 90% of any money we send to Vietnam.

It is still better to send more money because at least our people get more of the 10%. That is better than not sending money at all and our people get nothing.

We don't have the means to kick the VN Communist regime out but does that mean we have to boycott them so our people can suffer?

I'm all for regime change and kicking the Communists out, but we just don't have the means and do we want to continue war right now so more of our people can suffer?

It's also a matter of principle - the Buddhist who set himself on fire to protest the S. VNese govt while US reporters took picture was a matter or principle - he's hurting himself but sends a very loud and articulate message that increased anti-war movements in the US.

Frankly, I would rather see a Viet Nam squeezed absolutely dry of a decent life for a short amount of time if it speeds up the collapse of communism to be replaced by a much more pro-people government than see a long ruling regime that gives its people a half-@$$ decent life.

If you really do know the Communist they won't give up no matter what. You can squeeze them dry and they still won't give up their power, they will die, taking along all the Vietnamese with them.

Look at how much courage they fought against the foreigners against all odds. They will take anything just to hold on to power. Trying to dry them up is a waste of time.

Just have faith in God, and do what you think is right.

Using history as reference, the Vietnamese people never did allow oppression to last forever, no matter how powerful the oppressors are. I have faith in my people that they will overthrow communism, hopefully not through war. Either that or communism will collapse...it's just a matter of when.

Yeah but whenever they fought oppressors they only fought foreign ones. For some reason we are only fight oppressors who aren't Vietnamese, but we don't care what a Vietnamese oppressor does to us, because they are Vietnamese and that's all that matters to us.

I think you should be only speaking for yourself on that issue.

viet cong are one of my many perception of war hero!! Respect to the bones!

Fighting for a cause that one doesn't understand, does that make one heroic or stupid?

Vietcong aren't communist. NVA are. Most Vietnamese joined Vietcong to liberate it from foreigners, the NVA betrayed them at the end.

How many Americans knew what they were fighting for in Vietnam? Are they stupid as well?

Yet even after betrayal...some will cling onto communism. Evil eats away at itself.



Parasites.


We watch, wait, and when the gound is fertile, we will plant. The decay of one system provides the space and nutrient for another. Hope is all we have left and hope will not fail if there is still one person who believes in it.



Yes. Plenty of stupid Americans. The tragedy is there are so many stupid Vietnameses. Afterall, it was Vietnam that descended into hell.

It's a matter of ignorancem, not stupidity - the majority of Vietnamese were laborers who worried about not getting shot and eating enough to be able to do the next day's work - they simply didn't have time to ponder about theories and ideologies. And since the communists were so good with propaganda, they appealed to the average Vietnamese through sense of duty and pride while hiding their ulterior intentions.

India has to face with many issues:
_low cast and high cast society
_extreme poverty 20% pop
_Indian people even don't speak the same language, maybe english
_war of religion hinduism versus muslim
_5 wars against pakistan (nearly a civil war, pakistan was India before the end of colonisation)
_india has 1 billion inhabitans
And india had never been a nation as Vietnam or an unified empire as China before independence . It was divided in several states like Europe.

i wonder why this nation hasn't collapsed or become a totalitarian state but it works with democracy!

India has much more "better" reasons than vietnam or china to refuse democracy: poverty , demography , cast society, culture and history. But we can say that india is the greatest democracy of the world. And india will become a world superpower as China.

If there is no democracy in vietnam or china , it's just a political issue, the others issues are only pretext .