OK so certain people hijacked my other thread. I'll make another one and this time I'm serious. I'm looking for Vietnamese opinion so non Vietnamese flame-mongers are not invited.

So, where do you stand?

Oh yea, I'm guessing that a flame war will erupt after no more then 15 posts.

Very proud to be a Vietnamese.

that's cool that you guys are proud of being vietnamese, but can you guys state your reasonings too.

I will not tolerate any jerk flaming again. This is meant for Vietnamese and Vietnamese people alone.

As for me. Yes I'm a very proud Vietnamese, more so than ever. I was a proud Vietnamese, but since joining AF and the Vietnamese forum, I've learnt so much more about Vietnam, the Vietnamese people, culture and tradition than I could ever have reading books and internet articles. It has been fun and educating sharing my thoughts, knowledge and experience with you guys and receiving them in return. I'm a proud son of Lac Hong and a priviledged descendant of Con Rong Chau Tien.

I'm proud of the way that the Vietnamese people have been able to survive countless conflicts and hardships throughout our less then glorious history, and still managed to cling on to all the things that make us Vietnamese. Our past was not especially bright, but because we've been able to persevere and overcome countless obstacles, we've been able to build a better future for ourselves and our kids. Look at the Vietnam today, it is very different from the war torn country that we're often used to seeing or hear about in movies, books and from eachother. I can only hope that Vietnam will be able to continue to develope and modernize itself for the good of all Vietnamese.

Couldn't agree more blank book. Sometimes when I'm alone and enjoying peace and quiet, I think about the Vietnamese history and how on earth did we manage to survive and share our place in the sun. Despite the imperialists and warmongers attempting to assimilate us into their culture, we prevailed. 1000 years did not make a Vietnamese someone else. Just look at the once proud Mongols, Tibetans, Xiong Nu, Manchurians, Cambodians, Hmongs and countless other civilisations around the world, they did not stand the sand of time.

How did such a small country achieved so much militarily and culturally? I wonder. One thing I know is that Vietnamese people are undauntable people. When I think about this, I think of Hai Ba Trung, Ba Trieu, Mai Hac De and so many other Vietnamese figures that kept our hope alive during the 1000 years of foreign occupation and rape of the Vietnamese motherland. Then Ngo Quyen who truly achieved Vietnamese independence and the Ly Dynasty that made Vietnam a small yet powerful kingdom.

As I would paraphrase from a Vietnamese historical figure, Vietnam at times has been weak and at times has been strong, but at no time did we lack heroes.

From what I understand, NQSH, you're not full Viet, yet you seem to have a rather extensive knowledge of Vietnamese history, past and present. So my question is, are you as aware of your other roots as well? You seem to be strongly nationalistic and a patriotic Vietnamese. Why have you so strongly accepted your Vietnamese roots and heritage?

The Kinh gene is most dominant in me. I was born In Vietnam, brought up in Vietnamese culture and tradition and immersed in the Vietnamese language, history and tradition since I could remember. I am no less Vietnamese than any other Vietnamese.

Yes I'm aware of my other roots as well. I speak Cantonese and know the Chinese history, from the Xia Dynasty right through to the Cultural revolution and modern day China, as well as the overseas Chinese communities. I'm also connected with my Malay root. I speak Bahasa Malaysia, albeit that I'm not fluent with it. I've been to Malaysia and has learnt to appreciate this unique culture and civilisation.

The only difference is that I feel more attached to my Vietnamese side. I first and foremost Identify myself as a Vietnamese, then a Vietnamese/Chinese/Malay, then an Asian and finally an Asian Australian. Vietnam to me is above everything else. Yes I admire the Chinese civilisation, but I moreso admire the Vietnamese character and the courage of the people. Never been prouder to be a Vietnamese/Chinese/Malay and to a certain extent the now defunct Champa.

Ofcourse iam proud of being vietnamese eventhought i been through years of being put down by other race and my fellow vietnamese that are ashamed of themselves. Like most of you guy on here i read and learned ours history from many sources not just the american history book. I learned so much and the more i know the prouder i became.

So you're multilingual. Dang, wish I could speak more then two languages fluently.

It's a shame you have to make a disclaimer that this thread is just for the Vietnamese to keep it from getting highjacked since some people, mostly chinese that I've seen so far, just get their blood boiling when Viet take pride in their history against the chinese.

Yes, I'm very much proud - like someone else has said, for two main things: we always fight back and fiercely maintain our own identity and the Viet overseas have accomplished so much in such a short amount of time when the odds were set against them.

And to people like Nam Quoc Son Ha and Dai Viet who identify themselves more as Vietnamese. Like I've told DV, if you're ever in Southwest Ohio, drinks are on me...hehehe.

I wouldn't say our blood boil

You can shout your slogans such as "if you ain't Viet, you aint $hit!" all you want to show your pride But if you show your pride at our expense, then you have a problem.

How often do you see a Chinese showing pride by saying "oooh yeah we conquered them viets for over 1,000 years!"

BTW, although this is a PUBLIC forum, I respect NQSH's wish to keep this particular thread "Viet Only". I wouldn't have even bothered to post anything here if Nero874 didn't make his misleading statement. Peace

I just noticed Kulong, glad to see u here again - welcome back bro !

Thank you

BTW, VERY beautiful signature! The dragon and the phoneix. Dep qua!

The chinese wouldn't have a good reason for showing pride for conquering Viet Nam because the upshot is that the chinese were kicked out of our country. But regardless, I still do see many chinese bragging about conquering Viet Nam - that's as pointless as the Mongolians bragging about conquering China.

But what exactly about my statement was "misleading"?

Who cares if we left eventually. Fact remains that Vietnam was fully conquered by China for over 1,000 years. When we left, we didn't lose anything, it's not like Vietnam conquered China. Anyways, even after we left, Vietnam eventually became a Chinese vassal state anyway.

Anyways, I am in no way trying to belittle Vietnam but all I'm saying is when you show your pride on the expense of others, don't expect them to just sit tight and keep their mouths shut.

Where exactly do you see Chinese "bragging" about conquering Vietnam? I certainly don't as it's such a small part of our history, not that it's insignificant, just relatively.

The misleading part of your statement is that "Viet pride makes Chinese blood boil", which just isn't true. It only slightly bothers us when you show your pride on our expense.

If you want to show your pride by saying "HeLlZ YeAhZ, wE KiCkeD ChInA OuT! DeM BaStArds!" Then we can simply comeback and say "Well, your people were once our subjects for over 10 centuries and your land was once ours. Could you ever say it was the other way around?" Of course, we should avoid flame wars as I do not wish to waste any of my time unnecessarily, I'm sure others don't either.

Just to clear things up, it was you who first instigated this whole issue by laying a misleading claim.

So, what make you think that VN became China Vassal state? ... Puppet kings took orders from China or paid tributaries to China?

It's very clearly recorded in history that Vietnam was China's vassal state in more recent periods. That is not to say Vietnam was NEVER independent.

But that's not even the point.

The point is, once again, I, and any rational person, do not and should not have any problems with Vietnamese showing pride as long as it isn't at the expense of others. If you do happen to show pride at the expense of others, don't expects others to just sit quietly and take it like suckers.

We can't even discuss about our history?

After 939, China fail to conquer VN except short period 1414-1427
The only thing VN ever did Wrong to China was to defend our country. But It was in the ancient time ... We understand...it was quite normal how stronger nations want to conquer weaker ones .. the point here.. our ancestors were able to drive the invader out to protect our country... regardless, China fail to conquer us militarily and also fail to win our hearts, our minds

Well China did have some things to lose. I mean thousands of Chinese soldiers died and many invasions occurred after Vietnam kicked China out. Hell the last attempt that China tried to attack Vietnam left 70,000 Chinese soldiers dead. I believe, not the 1979 war..

Unless lives don't mean anything, then yes China had nothing to lose other than thousands of lives.

There is a difference between discussing and straight up flaming.

Rational discussion:

"After being conquered for over 10 centuries, the Vietnamese were able to overthrow their conquerers and reclaim their land from the Chinese."

Straight up flaming:

"fu-k< We ViEtS BeaT Da Shizts OuTa Dem cH!nKz YeAh If You AiN'T ViEt, u AiN't Sh!tZ!"

Now to be fair, not all Vietnamese are the same and most hold an attitude that is within a gray area inbetween the above examples.

The point is, if you push someone, don't expect them to push back.




Please don't try to turn this into something it isn't.

The point is, if you attempt to show your pride at others' expense, don't expect them not retaliate. You should know this very well as Viets. China conquered Vietnam and Vietnam retaliated. Did Vietnamese just sit there and not doing anything? No.

"If your eyes ain't chin-ky, you ain't Chinese" How do you feel Kulong?

I honestly don't see the point of your unprovoked offensive remark...

Well, These comments are your excuses to attack VN and Its people?

lol What are you talking about? Where did I attack Vietnamese people anywhere in this thread?

The whole time I've been saying that if you want to show your pride by saying "We Viets are a couragous people because we continuously defended our homeland from invading foreigners." then fine.

But if you say something like "fu-k yeahs! We kicked out them evil greedy ch!nks! Then we kicked out them fu-king stinky frenchies and even them redneck americans!" Then don't expect the people you've insulted to do nothing.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

This whole thing started when Nero874 claimed that "Chinese can't stand Vietnamese showing pride and our blood boil", which is incorrect.

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The previous "Are You A Proud Vietnamese" thread was ruined by flame wars. I do not wish to continuing posting in this thread as I am not viet. But if any of you try to gain anything from the expense or others, don't expect them to do nothing. Peace.

I'm Chinese and I'm better than you'll ever be.

- Wang Weili

<sigh> Why must people instigate flame wars?...

I've been nothing but calm and patient with you lots.

... Let me tell you this.. as Vietnamese I do not agree with these comments from some people whether they are Viets or not that make you feel offended.. If I recall correctly you once call us Nam man ... of course not in this thread ... But your agenda is clearly understood

Dude i'm joking relax.

He didn't really say that.

If we really want to dig up the graves, we can find PLENTY of BOTH anti-China AND anti-Viet comments made by BOTH Chinese AND Vietnamese members on AF. But that would be just be pointless.

DAI_VIET once suggested that all Chinese should be brutually murdered along with MANY MANY other offensive and deogratory comments against the Chinese that earned him nearly a perm ban. However, he apologized and explained that he made those comments based on anger. Should we keep labelling DAI_VIET as anti-Chinese?

My "agenda"? As far as this thread is concerned, my only "agenda" is to make it clear that no one really cares if you guys show your pride as long as you don't do it at the expense of others. It's that simple.


I don't find it funny and I never volunteered nor approved to have you put words in my mouth, even if it's a joke. How would you feel if someone else did the same to you?

I agree with Kulong which is why when I talk about Vietnam's indepedance I leave out the word "Chinese" unless someone asks me. Saying "Kicking out those greedy chineses" is going over the line.

BTW PervertBurger is not Vietnamese.

Thank you!

Actually there is nothing wrong with saying you gained independence from China or that "you kicked out the Chinese" but by using any deogratory adjectives you are being offensive.


Oh? What is he?

i have been thinking about your question... Is it proud to be Vietnamese or am i a proud Vietnamese of my achievements? But yes to bouth...

I agree .. everyone should be proud whoever they are ... just try to avoid the extreme that may cause offended to other people .. I understand your point

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...20&#entry211903

According to this he says his mom is black and his dad is Irish and Puertorican. So he's not even asian, let alone Vietnamese.

How would you feel if I keep bringing up MY phrase, "If your eyes ain't chin-ky, you ain't Chinese"? I find it offensive when you brought up the "If you ain't Viet, you ain't $hit" Now do you understand?

Actually that Viet/$hit thing wasn't brought up by Kulong and was introduced by another Vietnaemse.

Just let it goes ..

Now back to the TOPIC
of course I'm a proud Vietnamese ...

OMG...

asian_invasion was the one who first said that quote in another thread on AF, not me...

Besides, he meant it as a good thing, although it sounds quite immature and very "gangsterish".

Anyway...

Well sometimes I don't know if I'm a proud Vietnamese or not. I mean how can being born randomely into an ethnic group make me proud? I mean any major accomplishments were made by OTHER Vietnamese and not me. Just because I was born as a Vietnamese doesn't mean I should be proud of something I never did.

I think until I've actually contributed something to the Vietnamese race, then I shouldn't be proud and take the credit of other Vietnamese. I mean it doesn't take skill to be born randomely into an ethnicity.

I am locking this topic!

You do not need to do extraordinary things to be proud ... not the point here..
your heritage alone will do

Yes I'm proud of what other Vietnamese have accomplished but until I've done something great then I can't be proud of myself.

Understandable .. Byron

It's like those KKK people who don't have jobs and no life and have to go around bragging about the accomplishments of other whites to make themselves feel better.

I'm very proud of my ancestors for what they've done in the past though.

I was not the one who first said it, it was someone else. I just quoted what some else said. I don't use slang. Leave me out of your flame wars.

Yep it was aR3YouVi3T who said that. Below is the quote. Asian_invasion is innocent in this.

I stand corrected then.

The point was it wasn't me.

You can't compare ordinary Viets people to KKK racists .. Nobody try to take credit
of other people accomplishments.. to make them feel better. Some bad Viets had done bad things that embrarass and disgrace the whole community and vice versa for good ones.

For me I'm proud of many things just like other races.. our cultural heritage... our people, our history.. I feel the joys of the country, when we achieved something good and sad when something bad happened