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malaccan
A continuation from the Msian Sex Crime discussion. biggrin.gif
huaren
Satisfied of what? By making Malaysia better? Off course yes...
malaccan
This 56K conncetion is really killing me. I've had to re-start the computr 3 times now!!

Yup, if there's any way that Malaysia can be improved, feel free to give your ideas.

I'll start. As for me, I would like the see the bumiputra policy fine-tuned because this will increase the overall competitiveness of the Malays, and therefore I support the government's curent moves.
huaren
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This 56K conncetion is really killing me. I've had to re-start the computr 3 times now!!

Get a DSL?

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I'll start. As for me, I would like the see the bumiputra policy fine-tuned because this will increase the overall competitiveness of the Malays, and therefore I support the government's curent moves.

Yes it’s the main issue that need to be resolved.

After the main issue has been resolved, the second issue will be military. Malaysia need to improve its military capability rapidly.

Malaysia also needs to exist a new policy that will accept people who have high education and have special capability. Like what Australia and other western country is doing now. If you are good, than they will pay you a lot of cash for you to stay.

This will bring a lot of benefit to the country.

Lets take an example why until now 20 years already proton still have no capability to develop its own engine for its car? Simple, they only take Malay. 90% of the employee are Malay, non Malay that have grade A in their education are also dismiss. How can they research new technology if that policy continue?
malaccan
I'm not sure how much longer I can keep this up. The DSL is down for a reason I don't understand. Way to go BT!! It'll be a week before I can get a new one. Usually I'd use he uni comp, but I'm at home now.

As an aside, I know you mean well huaren, but I think some Malaysians will feel that you feel more Chinese than you do Malaysian. I mean, just have a look at your signature man! It looks cool but very China-centric biggrin.gif And believe me, I am among the least anti-Chinese non-Chinese person around. I'm not suggesting that you change it cos that's your personal sig and everything, but it might get in the way of people seeing your neutral point of view. Likewise, I am all pro-ASEAN, so my views would be concilliatory and all-encompasing our regional neighbours.

What do you think abt the Alexander Downer trip to Malaysia? And the recent Pak Lah trip to China? It'd be interesting to hear your point of view. I'm quite averse to violence, and would prefer diplomatic means in solving conflicts. There is more than enuff violence in the world today.
huaren
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As an aside, I know you mean well huaren, but I think some Malaysians will feel that you feel more Chinese than you do Malaysian. I mean, just have a look at your signature man! It looks cool but very China-centric 


You got it all wrong. It only appear that this signature is quite cool, so I use this signature. It doesn’t mean that I am pro China and I am not loyal to Malaysia. I still say that I am a Malaysian when I am at foreign country. Even in China.

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And believe me, I am among the least anti-Chinese non-Chinese person around.


I know.

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What do you think abt the Alexander Downer trip to Malaysia?


Who is Alexander Downer?

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And the recent Pak Lah trip to China? It'd be interesting to hear your point of view. I'm quite averse to violence, and would prefer diplomatic means in solving conflicts. There is more than enuff violence in the world today.


The trip to China is good, it show that the relationship between China and Malaysia is improving. When the relationship between China and Malaysia is getting well, this off course will also bring advantages to the Chinese in Malaysia.
malaccan
I'm gonna keep on posting until my computer crashes again, then that's me for the night. Your sig is actually really cool. Very sharp and crisp, nice colours.

Alexander Downer is Australia's Foreign Minister. To say that Malaysia-Australia relationship is cordial during the Mahathir years would be an understatement embarassedlaugh.gif
Anyway, he visited Malaysia a few days ago to thaw relationship between the two countries. Many see is as Australia courting Malaysia again. With the amount of trade and trafffic between the two countries, the stance of both countries was just childish. So it was also about Malaysia reaffirming its Commonwealth ties with Australia. We've always had good relationship with NZ, but things were a bit frosty with Oz.
huaren
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Alexander Downer is Australia's Foreign Minister. To say that Malaysia-Australia relationship is cordial during the Mahathir years would be an understatement 

You mean that guy, I only know how he look like, but I don’t know his name until you mention it.

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Anyway, he visited Malaysia a few days ago to thaw relationship between the two countries. Many see is as Australia courting Malaysia again. With the amount of trade and trafffic between the two countries, the stance of both countries was just childish. So it was also about Malaysia reaffirming its Commonwealth ties with Australia. We've always had good relationship with NZ, but things were a bit frosty with Oz.

I know that Australia and Malaysia relationship is not that well. I thinks its all because of Mahathir who always have the western bashing altitude. He like to bash western country such as the U.S

U.S did do a lot unacceptable thing like invading Iraq. However, Mahathir should consider of before he made these speech because he will cause anger to rise in the U.S, he really should not always make all these unproductive speech. U.S is a superpower and they can do anything they want to Malaysia if they are not happy.

That’s why Malaysia have a lot of problem with western country like the U.S, Australia …
malaccan
The paradox about Dr Mahathir is, despite his rethorics, he is one of the best Muslim allies in the so-called war against terrorism, you know. His style was just very confrontational when he needs be but if you meet him in real life, he was very benevolent. I admire him a lot and once shook his hands during Hari Raya. Might not be much, but it was an encounter I wouldn't forget.

I was very surprised that when I was in Istanbul and Dubai, everyone there knew about Dr Mahathir and how brave he was to speak out against the Iraqi invasion. I think they were more proud of him than I was but they don't appreciate that Mahathir is a Malaysian leader, not simply a Muslim leader like many people see him.
huaren
QUOTE (malaccan @ Jun 15 2004, 07:37 PM)
The paradox about Dr Mahathir is, despite his rethorics, he is one of the best Muslim allies in the so-called war against terrorism, you know. His style was just very confrontational when he needs be but if you meet him in real life, he was very benevolent. I admire him a lot and once shook his hands during Hari Raya. Might not be much, but it was an encounter I wouldn't forget.

I was very surprised that when I was in Istanbul and Dubai, everyone there knew about Dr Mahathir and how brave he was to speak out against the Iraqi invasion. I think they were more proud of him than I was but they don't appreciate that Mahathir is a Malaysian leader, not simply a Muslim leader like many people see him.

I really not sure about why he want to made those speech. It have made the relationship between Malaysia and western country decline.

It is pointless really, you made such speech only make yourself popular while your relationship between other powerful western country will be affected.

Talking about Islam, one thing good about BN is that it is not an extremist Islam party. I think you know PAS, which I really don’t like that party. If PAS take over Malaysia, the whole country will collapse within a year, I guarantee you. Malaysia will be a second Afghanistan at that time.
malaccan
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I really not sure about why he want to made those speech. It have made the relationship between Malaysia and western country decline.

It must be the supposed anti-Jewish speech that he made at the OIC conference. I wish he didn't say that either, but he was merely articulating the frustrations of many Arab states. He actually told the audience to learn from the Jews because they have great preseverance and intelligence, but this part of his speech was not reported. I must say that many of the UK and other European media were not as critical of his speech and actually analysed his message.

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Talking about Islam, one thing good about BN is that it is not an extremist Islam party. I think you know PAS, which I really don’t like that party. If PAS take over Malaysia, the whole country will collapse within a year, I guarantee you. Malaysia will be a second Afghanistan at that time.


PAS won't be able to take hold of Malaysia. Their message is just hateful and they try to Islamicise everything. BN made up of the component Malay, Chinese , Indian and other parties worked hard to defeat PAS. Guess who me and my friends will vote for the next election? heheh... actually some of them will also vote for keadilan. To be fair huaren, I have a very good friend who is a PAS supporter, and he is not the typical hardliner. He's very clever and listens to other people's opinion. It's okay for us to have different political views as long as we have the country's best interest in mind. I like it when my DAP and MCA friends argue. They talk about things that I have absolutely no idea about! And I don't think I wanna know. Is it just my observation or do most Chinese-educated Malaysians support DAP? My DAP friend was Chinese-eduated. He does speak Malay like you, but not very fluent.
huaren
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PAS won't be able to take hold of Malaysia. Their message is just hateful and they try to Islamicise everything. BN made up of the component Malay, Chinese , Indian and other parties worked hard to defeat PAS. Guess who me and my friends will vote for the next election?

PAS is not a good party. They want to convert Malaysia into a pure Islam country. There are no freedom at all at that time. But there are also some people who even voted for PAS, which I dont understand why they vote them…

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heheh... actually some of them will also vote for keadilan. To be fair huaren, I have a very good friend who is a PAS supporter, and he is not the typical hardliner. He's very clever and listens to other people's opinion.

I’m not anti Islam but your friend selection is wrong....
Why he vote for PAS?? Do you ask him before?

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It's okay for us to have different political views as long as we have the country's best interest in mind.

I agree.

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Is it just my observation or do most Chinese-educated Malaysians support DAP?

I’m not sure but some Chinese support that I know from M’sia support BN. Lets just say it 50% support DAP and 50% support BN.

Anyway, I’m going to bed… talk to you soon.
junior high_rhapsody
Perhaps you guys remembered this phrase from Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat:

"Undilah PAS untuk pergi ke syurga" (Vote for PAS to get to heaven)

I must say it is a very arrogant statement. He seems so faithful to Allah, but yet he dare make a statement like that. GOD decides where we all go after we die, not a mere vote. It is just another of his election technique and I must say it is not a very clever one. I hope he doesn't make another ridiculous one the next time the election fever arises again.

And one good news is that PAS lost its stronghold on Terengganu and nearly lost Kelantan to BN. beerchug.gif

To tell you the truth, I am one pro-BN person. icon_smile.gif Unfortunately, still not old enough to vote. cry2.gif I think with Abdullah Badawi as the leader, Malaysia's future will be brighter. The economy is improving, so is Malaysia's bilateral relationship with other countries.

I do not have much to say about Dr. Mahathir, but I do admit he can be quite outspoken sometimes. It has certainly made Malaysia's relationship with other countries - western countries especially - deteriorate. At least the present PM is doing his part in mending what was spoilt.
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (huaren @ Jun 15 2004, 06:38 PM)
Lets take an example why until now 20 years already proton still have no capability to develop its own engine for its car? Simple, they only take Malay. 90% of the employee are Malay, non Malay that have grade A in their education are also dismiss. How can they research new technology if that policy continue?

You got it all wrong.The Campro engine series were developed by a 100% Malay team.According to Proton CEO Tengku Mahaleel,British engineers from Lotus were only acting as consultants throughout the development process.Consultants are used by all multinationals such as Ford,Renault and Honda.Now that they can create their own database from this engine,they can design future engines on their own.It's the same case with Malay engineers at Sauber Petronas.Proton and Petronas prefer Malay engineers because they already know Malays are better researchers.
li_fung
just have devil two towers malaysian already think they're better...
Iron Malayan
^ I can't believe such morons exist. shrug.gif
JenX
I will never get satisfied with government!!! Talktohand.gif

First they still didn't improve the public transportation which in bad condition....second...education system...see what has happened to UPSR, PMR, SPM and even STPM papers....all got leaked!!!

And also how about 128 students who were denied the entry medicine course to public university?
I think they should categorised the entry of students between matriculation and STPM...according to my fren who are a matric student she said that it's a lot easier than STPM which is VERY hard as it's the one of the most difficult test in the world

In conclusion...i think government is quite unfair...

*sorry..no offence...*
Iron Malayan
They were denied entry because they were outclassed by other applicants.

If I were to choose between the words of your friend and that of the education dept., I would pick the latter anytime.

Sorry no offence.

BTW,to answer the question of the topic, I am not satisfied with the low value of the Ringgit and the small number of F-18 fighters we have.
JenX
But dun u think that entry to public university should be categorised?
I'm myself also a sixth former and I know the difficulty.
If I'm not mistaken the matriculation course consist only 3 subs whereas STPM 4 subs where the other extra sub is Pengajian Am paper. Still the point system is the same for both of them.
I think it's not fair for us since we study until buring the midnite oil...and yet we get nothing.

no offence again...
DaNiu85
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Nov 30 2004, 01:38 AM)
BTW,to answer the question of the topic, I am not satisfied with the low value of the Ringgit and the small number of F-18 fighters we have.
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hmmmm... how high and how many F-18 fighters do you want then?
Iron Malayan
The Ringgit should be at 2.0 to the Dollar.

Malaysia needs at least 40 F-18s but the govt is reported to be planning a purchase of only 16-24 units.
Protoculture
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I will never get satisfied with government!!! 

First they still didn't improve the public transportation which in bad condition....second...education system...see what has happened to UPSR, PMR, SPM and even STPM papers....all got leaked!!!

And also how about 128 students who were denied the entry medicine course to public university?
I think they should categorised the entry of students between matriculation and STPM...according to my fren who are a matric student she said that it's a lot easier than STPM which is VERY hard as it's the one of the most difficult test in the world

In conclusion...i think government is quite unfair...

But dun u think that entry to public university should be categorised?
I'm myself also a sixth former and I know the difficulty.
If I'm not mistaken the matriculation course consist only 3 subs whereas STPM 4 subs where the other extra sub is Pengajian Am paper. Still the point system is the same for both of them.
I think it's not fair for us since we study until buring the midnite oil...and yet we get nothing.

no offence again...


None taken .... so let me address one by one, shall we .... icon_wink.gif

- Public transportation .... its improving, albeit slowly ... can always blamed Samy Vellu embarassedlaugh.gif2

- Thats why the Education Dept. have many spare test papers. Paper 1 got leaked, we got paper 1A, 1B, 1C ... It woulda be bloody stupid if we prepare only 1 set of exam paper. Besides, leaked papers are very rare occurrences ....

- However said that Matric is alot easier that STPM. Dearie, Matric students have to study STPM subjects in record time of less than 10 months, while Form 6 students have practically 20 months (nearly 2 years)! Ever wonder why Govt. don't want or reluctant to release numbers of Matric dropouts? Because alotta (aka MANY) Matric students failed & gotta kicked out after 1st semester. Its bloody tough (I know la, because I'm in education industry, & once a Matric student). The FACT that these students got to compete for best places in public univ. showed how bitter the competition. You got to study, study, study, study for endless hours like mad. If you got 3.5 CGPA, it ain't guarantee you can enroll to Medic cause alotta students nowadays are getting 3.9 & 4.0, & chances are slim. If your result is CGPA 2.5 & below, prepared to be shipped out to Social Arts studies, unpopular courses or even univ. you wished you'd never step your way into, baby.

Trust me. Go for STPM, because with STPM result we can find job, but Matric result is worthless in employment world.

- Baby, whoever said in that everything is fair ... we lived in unfair world. embarassedlaugh.gif

- Better to have 2 systems, STPM & Matric. As enrollment into public univ. nowadays is basically based on merit & currently opened 50/50 chances for students from both systems, be thankful mate. Matric students gotta sloughed on 6 subjects (depending whether they're from Physics Science Matric / Bio Science Matric / Accountancy Matric) which is based on STPM for less than 10 months, & many didn't make it to last round. Matric students studied until the lamp went bust, yet they ain't complaining (well, most do).

FYI, Matric is specifically design to increase a no. of Bumi students to fill in critical courses such as Engineering & Medical Sciences. Thats why only cream of the crop, or the BEST among the best of Bumiputra SPM holders (especially Science stream) are chosen to enroll. But, with times, as intakes increase, some less brilliant students get admitted too, & they wasted their time for others that might deserved it.

However, with Matric stringent attitude in kicking out the failures especially in Sem. 1 is lauded. As for non-Bumis, Govt. has given chances by giving 10% quotas in Matric to brilliant non-Bumi students. Be grateful, be thankful.

Ciao!
JenX
Yeah...I absolutely agreed some of yr comments beerchug.gif

Still I think STPM is the best option even though we have to endure the difficulty in exam. I heard that someone proposed that Uitm should receive non-bumiputra students and I wonder what's the result? embarassedlaugh.gif

But one thing that keep me wondering why is that Matric have more difficulty in finding jobs than STPM students? Isn't it equal? confused.gif
Nusantara
QUOTE (JenX @ Dec 1 2004, 01:08 AM)
Yeah...I absolutely agreed some of yr comments  beerchug.gif

Still I think STPM is the best option even though we have to endure the difficulty in exam. I heard that someone proposed that Uitm should receive non-bumiputra students and I wonder what's the result? embarassedlaugh.gif

But one thing that keep me wondering why is that Matric have more difficulty in finding jobs than STPM students? Isn't it equal? confused.gif
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Then you should cretae a job not finding the job. like minang peoples from sumatra they well known creating the job as self enterpreneur. you got that.
Protoculture
QUOTE (JenX @ Dec 1 2004, 01:08 AM)
Yeah...I absolutely agreed some of yr comments  beerchug.gif

Still I think STPM is the best option even though we have to endure the difficulty in exam. I heard that someone proposed that Uitm should receive non-bumiputra students and I wonder what's the result? embarassedlaugh.gif

But one thing that keep me wondering why is that Matric have more difficulty in finding jobs than STPM students? Isn't it equal? confused.gif
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Dearie,

- UiTM is set up by Bumiputra, for Bumiputra, funded by Bumiputra money (specifically MARA) to create a whole new breed of Bumiputras professionals in the various fields. Unlike our sub-standard public univ. (aka IPTA), UiTM education system used English as main medium of teaching, not Bahasa which only used for Islamic Studies only. With UiTM qualifications either diplomas or degrees, they're recognised all over the world for one simple reason ... ENGLISH!

Most IPTAs students (made up by STPM & Matric graduates) looked down upon UiTM students cause majority of UiTM students are basically made up with poorer SPM result holders, but with superior syllabus & excellent staffs, UiTM graduates are No. 1 choice amongst employer either from public or private sector.

So basically, its a Bumiputra bastion, so a big no to non-bumi. For other non-bumis, there's UTAR (a Chinese-dominated university) or dozens of public & private universities, including 5 international Universities operating in Malaysia which are dominated by non-bumis;

1) Monash University Malaysian Campus
2) Nottingham University Malaysian Campus
3) Swinburne University of Technology Malaysian Campus
4) Curtis University Malaysian Campus
5) FTMS-De Monfort University Malaysian Campus

OK, what! So don't 'kacau2' MARA University of Technology (UiTM) .... embarassedlaugh.gif

- Matric qualifications is worth only to apply for degree programmes in univ. in Malaysia, but worth zilch in employment world as Matric ain't recognised as 'Certificate' level, being only a darn result slip issued by Ministry of Education ....

P/S:I'd pushed my future kids (eventhough I'm a Malay) to Chinese-medium school & sit for STPM. Why? I want my kids to be literate in 3 languages (Malay, English, Mandarin) & sitting for STPM cause its recognised worldwide as STP is equivalent to Cambridge A-Levels.
JenX
Thanks for yr long explanation but still I think they should accept non-bumis coz it will create competition...don't u think so? embarassedlaugh.gif
Iron Malayan
Budget constraints are cited as the reason only a few F-18s will be purchased. IMO the govt needs to drop their plans to buy AWACS planes and use the money to buy more F-18 Superhornets instead.Having AWACS capabilities is meaningless without sufficient numbers of 1st class interceptors.What's the point of being able to detect 70 hostile fighters 250 miles away if you don't have the means to stop them ?
Protoculture
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Dec 5 2004, 01:39 PM)
Budget constraints are cited as the reason only a few F-18s will be purchased. IMO the govt needs to drop their plans to buy AWACS planes and use the money to buy more F-18 Superhornets instead.Having AWACS capabilities is meaningless without sufficient numbers of 1st class interceptors.What's the point of being able to detect 70 hostile fighters 250 miles away if you don't have the means to stop them ?
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Better still to upgrade our terrestrial radar stations & splurged on to buy more Sukhois than Superbugs (aka F-18).

Whats the use if F-18 are underarmed because of weapon limitatations set by US Senate or possible sanctions (this happens with Indonesian F-16s)?

Buy more Su-30s or even MiG 29 MRCAs, & I'm a happy man! biggrin.gif
Iron Malayan
I'm not aware of any weapon limitations set by the US Senate. Could you elaborate ?

The Sukhois and MiGs we have ordered are already a waste of resouces.These worthless junks are sitting ducks against Australian F-18s. It's okay to buy Russian submarines and tanks but when it comes to air defence, only American made fighters will deter Australia.


QUOTE (Protoculture @ Dec 7 2004, 03:57 AM)
Better still to upgrade our terrestrial radar stations & splurged on to buy more Sukhois than Superbugs (aka F-18).

Whats the use if F-18 are underarmed because of weapon limitatations set by US Senate or possible sanctions (this happens with Indonesian F-16s)?

Buy more Su-30s or even MiG 29 MRCAs, & I'm a happy man! biggrin.gif
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no future country
Racism and racial discrimination have been part of Malaysian social, political, economic and cultural realities ever since colonial times.

Today, race has been so deeply institutionalised that it is a key factor determining benefits from government development policies, social policy, education policy, entry into educational institutions, bids for business contracts, cultural policy, discounts for purchasing houses and other official policies.

Practically every aspect of Malaysian life is permeated by the so-called 'bumi policy' based on malay-centrism. This is unabashedly spelled out by political leaders in the daily mass media in Malaysia.

It is an established fact that racial polarisation is prevalent in various Malaysian institutions. A survey by University Malaya shows that 98 per cent of malay students do not mix with non-malays while 99 per cent of Chinese students and 97 per cent of Indian students do not mingle with the other races.

While the government tries to account for this problem by blaming other extraneous factors such as the existence of vernacular schools, it is clear that the roots of polarisation lie in this institutionalisation of racism and racial discrimination.

The ruling party Umno prides itself on the supposedly 'successful' affirmative action in favour of bumi. Bumi literally means 'princes of the soil', the official epithet for malays and other indigenous peoples but which excludes the original peoples, i.e. the Orang Asli of Peninsula Malaysia. This has been the cornerstone of development plans since the New Economic Policy was started in 1971.

Consequently, while this populist bumi policy has been applied to the benefit of bumi as a whole, the new malay ruling elite is strategically placed to reap the full benefits of this racially based policy. Totally committed to capitalism and to privatisation, this policy has ensured that the non-malay local and foreign elite have also gained from the New Economic Policy since 1971. This class cohesion among the Malaysian ruling elite underpins the racialist politics which has characterised Malaysian society since Independence.

Racial discrimination in the realm of culture is seen not only in the education policy but also in the discrimination against non-malay cultures and religions in the National Cultural Policy. Non-muslims face obstacles in their freedom to build places of worship and access to burial grounds, among other complaints.

Racism and racial discrimination have dominated Malaysian society for far too long. Now that the malay ruling elite has clearly gained control of the Malaysian economy, it is high time for a new consensus based on non-racial factors such as class, sector and need to justify affirmative action.
yana19384
i think there are more things can be done to make better improvements

but it's just not enough if we keep asking questions pointing out at each other..

we are the malaysians and we are what makes malaysia as it is now..

so we all decide whether to just let it be a 'malaysia' or we want it to be 'MALAYSIA'


Iron Malayan
^^ Well said.
yana19384
yeah..so it reminds me to go back to my revision


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Iron Malayan
QUOTE (no future country @ Jul 20 2005, 11:27 PM)
It is an established fact that racial polarisation is prevalent in various Malaysian institutions. A survey by University Malaya shows that 98 per cent of malay students do not mix with non-malays while 99 per cent of Chinese students and 97 per cent of Indian students do not mingle with the other races.

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Nothing wrong with that. Ppl are free to mingle with whoever they want.
yana19384
but doesnt it sound a little too racist?
Iron Malayan
Maybe a little but most Malaysians have friends from other ethnic groups. Its just that the level of friendship with other races is not as high as with their same race.
yana19384
true..i think its just that some people are not too ready to mix around with other races..they may have their own reasons..but i think its unnecessary..people just have to change how they think a little bit..

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Bringer_Of_Death
Well well well I still see that some of us Malaysians are not getting along at all. embarassedlaugh.gif2

There's still too many hateful words spilled out here and there in the Malaysian forum.

This what makes me decide to leave the online world.

But sometimes it amuses me to see how people can come up with petty reasons to squabble and argue.


Well IMHO if Malaysians want to make Malaysia a better place first we must reduce all sort of desicrimination either direct, indirect and both positive and negative.

All of us must learn to open up our eyes and see other races as our equal.
Learn to get along with all sorts of people.
And although most of us have a pride to hold on to something please do not ever let that pride turn into arrogance.
We're may be among the top in most Asian countries but if we continue to ignore and not improve our standards we would soon be at the bottom again.

Another thing is be brave to make changes to reach to the top.
Do not be afraid of what others might thing as long as the change is benefitial.
Do not be afraid to step outside from the comforts of our own enviroment.
You'll never know that there's something interesting to learn from the outside.
If you make a mistake please be honest and take responsibility of rectifying it. Be brave enough to admit your mistakes and you'll see that people are willing to be more forgiving.

Never give up no matter how hard life's treating you.
And lastly try to be cheerful always.
Although things may not seem right now they'll become right later. This is because I believe that everyone deserves some happiness in life.
Iron Malayan
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Are You Satisfied?


I am not satisfied with our environmental laws and the lack of enforcement.

I'm not satisfied with the extremely low value of the Ringgit.

I'm not satisfied with only eight F-18 fighters in the air force. We need 40 units.
yana19384
y 40?
Iron Malayan
Coz Australia has 70 F-18s.
forrestcat
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 9 2005, 09:02 PM)
Coz Australia has 70 F-18s.
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Haiya, Malaysia Denfense Ministry cannot even maintain its buildings and flight simulators, what make u think we can take care of 40 advanced fighter jets. Its not that we dun have expertise, but its our won stupid Mindef under stupid baldy Razak and insufficient funds. Have money, then OK.

Malaysia must also decide which supplier we want either US or Russia. Malaysia is afraid of sanctions by US which prevent spare parts for US jets from reaching malaysia (like Indo with their F-16) plus malaysia dun like US policy on Iraq and US dun like us for doing so. The Russians, they are unreliable suppliers,if Malaysia decide then as major supplier, then better buy lots of spare parts. But I think US jets are the best, their suppliers are willing to transfer tech to us and invest in Malaysia, Russsian companies too poor to do that .Anyway, if we buy F-18, we'll make the US very happy and we'll be good friends again and they give us presents(?).
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I really agree we need to boost up our defense capabilities, our army is still under equipped and require upgrades. With Thailand, Philippine,Singapore and Indo eyeing Malaysia suspiciously everytime there's a terrorist attack, we need a strong and modern military force to project our political will in the region and resist external pressure.
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (forrestcat @ Oct 9 2005, 10:23 AM)
Haiya, Malaysia Denfense Ministry cannot even maintain its buildings and flight simulators,
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Who told you that ?
forrestcat
Dun u read local newspapers?

M518mil combat training centres not built to specifications

The Joint Army Combat Training Centres which cost RM518mil was not built according to specifications, said the Auditor-General’s 2004 Report.

The report also stated that the overall monitoring process of the various stages of the project was not up to standard.

The first phase of the project costing RM100.32mil and built in Gemas, Negri Sembilan, was completed in 1998 and the second phase costing RM418mil in Jementah, Johor, only last year.

The Auditor-General pointed out the shortcomings of the appointed contractor, highlighting the inferior quality of the work done and the failure to adhere to specifications and building plans.

Among other things, the Defence Ministry should have ordered the contractor to complete the project as scheduled to enable the facilities to be used, the report said.


INSUFFICIENT FUNDS: Three RMAF flight simulators in Butterworth are not repaired because the Air Force does not have the money.


Defence Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, when asked to comment on the report findings, said he would address the matter in Parliament.

“I will provide all the answers in Parliament. Until then, wait for it,” Najib, who is also Deputy Prime Minister, told reporters after officiating at the Federal Territory Umno division anti-drug campaign held at the Kuala Lumpur Badminton Stadium yesterday.

The report also highlighted that three RMAF flight simulators based in Butterworth were out of order.

The RMAF responded that it was unable to repair the simulators for the Hawk and F/A-18 jet fighters because of a lack of funds.

The Auditor-General found that a RM50.3mil contract that provides for training, maintenance and hardware was signed with a private company in 1988 and extended to April 2005.

The company was chosen because of its involvement in the design and maintenance of simulators for military jets like the MIG29, Hawk and F/A-18.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...&sec=nation>

Wow, i am sure najib Razak is a billionaire by now after all those fund plunderings in the past, but what is worst, Malaysians know of this and there is nothing we can to stop him.
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Iron Malayan
^ The Star is not what I would call a reliable source of news. Even if the report is true, it is still a minor bureaucratic glitch. Sometimes it happens in well off countries too.

QUOTE (forrestcat @ Oct 9 2005, 10:23 AM)
Malaysia must also decide which supplier we want either US or Russia. Malaysia is afraid of sanctions by US which prevent spare parts for US jets from reaching malaysia (like Indo with their F-16) plus malaysia dun like US policy on Iraq and US dun like us for doing so. The Russians, they are unreliable suppliers,if Malaysia decide then as major supplier, then better buy lots of spare parts. But I think US jets are the best, their suppliers are willing to transfer tech to us and invest in Malaysia, Russsian companies too poor to do that .Anyway, if we buy F-18, we'll make the US very happy and we'll be good friends again and they give us presents(?).
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I really agree we need to boost up our defense capabilities, our army is still under equipped and require upgrades. With Thailand, Philippine,Singapore and Indo eyeing Malaysia suspiciously everytime there's a terrorist attack, we need a strong and modern military force to project our political will in the region and resist external pressure.
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Yes this is where some of the problem lies. Our Prime Ministers are more concerned with sanctions rather than airspace violations by neighbouring countries. They fail to realize that the threat of airstrikes by our neighbours is higher than they think. On the other hand,chances of a US weapons embargo on Malaysia is very low. Exactly what scenario would lead to American sanctions on Malaysia ? We have never even been close to a any sanctions and I don't think we ever will be.

If our PMs are still concerned with US sanctions they should pick French Rafales instead of Russian MiGs or Sukhois. French radars and jammers are superior to Russian ones and the wealthy French offer attractive offset investments. The poor Russians have nothing.
yana19384
^^nobody should believe in everything a newspaper has to say

-thats y i hate newspapers embarassedlaugh.gif
mmmbop
QUOTE (forrestcat @ Oct 9 2005, 11:23 PM)
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 9 2005, 09:02 PM)
Coz Australia has 70 F-18s.
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Haiya, Malaysia Denfense Ministry cannot even maintain its buildings and flight simulators, what make u think we can take care of 40 advanced fighter jets. Its not that we dun have expertise, but its our won stupid Mindef under stupid baldy Razak and insufficient funds. Have money, then OK.

Malaysia must also decide which supplier we want either US or Russia. Malaysia is afraid of sanctions by US which prevent spare parts for US jets from reaching malaysia (like Indo with their F-16) plus malaysia dun like US policy on Iraq and US dun like us for doing so. The Russians, they are unreliable suppliers,if Malaysia decide then as major supplier, then better buy lots of spare parts. But I think US jets are the best, their suppliers are willing to transfer tech to us and invest in Malaysia, Russsian companies too poor to do that .Anyway, if we buy F-18, we'll make the US very happy and we'll be good friends again and they give us presents(?).
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First of all can you stop calling him Razak? what ever you problem you with him is fine with me but that's his father name.respect the deceased lor!

if Tot you're talking yes the US is capable for tech transfer. but we bought Su with barter trade. what ever other ppl dissing us, calling us poor, unable to pay with fully cash what i know the Su is cheaper and we use our commodity very well..we use our head.not like them who so rich use cash all along.lol
mmmbop
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 11 2005, 01:13 AM)
Yes this is where some of the problem lies. Our Prime Ministers are more concerned with sanctions rather than airspace violations by neighbouring countries. They fail to realize that the threat of airstrikes by our neighbours is higher than they think. On the other hand,chances of a US weapons embargo on Malaysia is very low. Exactly what scenario would lead to American sanctions on Malaysia ? We have never even been close to a any sanctions and I don't think we ever will be.

If our PMs are still concerned with US sanctions they should pick French Rafales instead of Russian MiGs or Sukhois. French radars and jammers are superior to Russian ones and the wealthy French offer attractive offset investments. The poor Russians have nothing.
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Being an OIC and NAM chairman, and a country which reflect moderate Islamic country, that against terrorism, a staunch supporter of diplomatic channel rather than aggresiveness, it is unjustify for US to lauch sanction on Malaysia. However, if you remember correctly, days after Mahathir speech on Jews proxy and its influence in our world, the US did stop a USD1 bilion (Ithink?) fund (or is it loan)for defence purposes.so you know, they will always find a loophole to punish us for things that against them be it true or not..

2ndly, already an operator of F18D with a puny number, like it or not we still need to go for another batch of Hornet, to be exact SH. having create logistics, maintenance procedure, training, pilots of hours of flying, you cant simply put them away. Being small in number makes the F18D maintenance, ie spares costly cause you buy them in small numbers. that's why we need another round of F18s.
So introduce another type of fighter like Rafale will make things worse.

OTH, history could repeat itself like when we first buy the F18, we denied several types of sensitive weapons n AMRAAM is the most prominent one..so this second buy (if ever we get through), we should plan nicely and cautiously..and recently seems that Boeing agreed to release Block 2 to us means AESA n AMRAAM is a must. then probably we can shop for others like JDAM, JSOW, HARM..
brucewayne
jes for you who didnt know,

AMRAAM - Advanced Medium Range Air to Air Missile
AESA -Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar
JDAM - Joint Direct Attack Munition
JSOW- Joint Standoff Weapon
HARM-high-speed antiradiation missile biggrin.gif
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (mmmbop @ Oct 19 2005, 03:03 AM)
However, if you remember correctly, days after Mahathir speech on Jews proxy and its influence in our world, the US did stop a USD1 bilion (Ithink?) fund (or is it loan)for defence purposes.
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$1 billion US military funding ? What was that all about ?

Mahathir's comment on the Jews only led to the US revoking the free officer training programmes they have been providing Malaysia up to that point. That program only cost a few million Ringgit.

If that was the closest we ever got to a US sanction then we have nothing to worry about. Our new PM is much more diplomatic than Mahathir.




QUOTE (mmmbop @ Oct 19 2005, 03:03 AM)
2ndly, already an operator of F18D with a puny number, like it or not we still need to go for another batch of Hornet, to be exact SH. having create logistics, maintenance procedure, training, pilots of hours of flying, you cant simply put them away. Being small in number makes the F18D maintenance, ie spares costly cause you buy them in small numbers. that's why we need another round of F18s.
So introduce another type of fighter like Rafale will make things worse.
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Like I said earlier

the best policy is to buy as many F-18s as we can afford to.

I would only recommend the Rafale if some time in the future (but before 2010) the govt might decide to purchase more non-American fighters.
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