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moobie
Japan should just make advanced nukes and ICBMs or something. Save some money and adapt technology for nuclear energy plants as well.

<_>
Loc85
QUOTE(moobie @ Mar 29 2007, 11:47 PM) [snapback]2825092[/snapback]

Japan should just make advanced nukes and ICBMs or something. Save some money and adapt technology for nuclear energy plants as well.

<_>


I don't think Japan should breaks it's NPT commitment, whats to stop other more hostile nations from attaining nukes then. Like I've said earlier, it just sets a bad example for the rest of world. Besides Japan doesn't need nukes anyways since its already under the U.S. nuclear umbrella. Plus, China has a no first strike policy which I think it intends to keep unless it wants to get blasted back to the stone age. laugh.gif
Ogumo
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I don't think Japan should breaks it's NPT commitment


I think it was a fool's move for japan to ever be a part of it in the first place.

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whats to stop other more hostile nations from attaining nukes then.


Nothing is stopping them now so what does it matter?

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Besides Japan doesn't need nukes anyways since its already under the U.S. nuclear umbrella.


Unreliable and leaves us to dependant on U.S.A. It is ultimately better japan have it's own nuclear weapons.

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Plus, China has a no first strike policy which I think it intends to keep unless it wants to get blasted back to the stone age.


Doesnt cover DPRK.
TheHero
QUOTE(splur @ Nov 18 2006, 02:34 AM) [snapback]2492134[/snapback]
I'm actually so anti-American that I'm willing to say that Japan should have their own military. As you can notice, I did say that Japan was completely wrong, but that they should still have their own military.

I don't believe in world policing by one country who seems to go on their on vendetta is right, sorry. In the world powers, US shouldn't have their military in alot of countries they currently do.

So don't think I'm a Japanophile supporting Japan by all means, I'm actually very offended by that because YES, I am Chinese. But I'm very much against the westernization of Asia.



QUOTE(Ino_II @ Nov 18 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]2492544[/snapback]
splur, midnight, we canadians hate america. hehehehe biggrin.gif



We AMERICANS don't give a $hit laugh.gif

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I'm actually so anti-American that I'm willing to say that Japan should have their own military.


Again, You know what? I don't give a $hit laugh.gif

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But I'm very much against the westernization of Asia


Do you prefer the 11th century? laugh.gif

You can move to the DPRK. Take your gulags, isolationism, starvation, and fanatical racism with you.

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I'm actually very offended by that because YES, I am Chinese.


Are you a Maoist? Mao's policies murdered millions. Get a book on Stalin or Mao.

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US shouldn't have their military in alot of countries they currently do.


True. But I don't need jealous snobs to tell me that.

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I don't believe in world policing by one country who seems to go on their on vendetta is right, sorry.


Most Americans would agree with your comments. That's why they elected Democrats.

moobie
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Take your gulags,


African slavery

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isolationism,


Neocon/Bush hyperprotectionism

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starvation,


Of others. Or overeating.

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fanatical racism.


Europe created a whole new level of racialism/racism.

Clearly, he doesn't mean he wants Maoism, Legalism, Confucian pseudo-religiosity, etc. But replacing that with Bushism, Whoredom, and Christianity would be just as bad.
tigreton3000
I'm sick of hearing this wrong concept most people have thinking that Japan doesn't have a military.
Japan does have a very modern, well-equipped and trained "conventional" military. They're limited in terms such as, they're not allowed to build nuclear warheads, carriers, nuclear submarines, ICBMs, etc.

Basically the Japanese military is restricted so that they can't carry out large scale offensive actions or project their force overseas consistently. In other words, the USA doesn't allow them to have an offensive military, ready to invade another nations, as is the US military.

The USA doesn't deploy troops in Japan (or South Korea, or any nation) to protect them, they do it to protect their interests worldwide and consolidate their modern imperialism (economic dominance of the world). Now their efforts are especially focused on China, that will be the world's richest, and probably the strongest, nation. China is their main concern, as they're as of now the only ones who can dispute American control of the world's policies and resources.

The European Union is rich and big, but too bad, we're not a nation, we speak many different languages and we contradict each other all the time. The USA would wish China to be like Europe, a lot of small nations with little sociocultural cohesion.

The USA didn't bomb Serbia because of Milosevic. They did it to divide Europe even more both politically and culturally. They follow the "divide and conquer" motto.

Actually the USA has historically supported lots of cruel dictators and genocides that went with their flow. Many of these situations happened in Latin America where their secret services supported, financed and planned coup d'etats, assassinations, dictatorships, etc.

Bin Laden and Fidel Castro, they were close buddies of the CIA in their beginnings.

If the USA was fighting for world peace, they would dedicate their military to stop conflicts in Africa, such as that of Rwanda. And not creating new ones.

The USA is taking positions for a future conflict with China. The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with war on terror. The Americans have always manipulated the facts and used massive propaganda campaigns to start wars and annext more territories for their neo-empire: See Pulitzer, Hearst and many others. Plain and simply put, they invaded Iraq to steal their oil.

The term "War on Terror" was coined by their biased media, and it's similar to that of "Remember the Maine!" back in 1898. Anyone who believes they fight to stop terrorism is just a moron who doesn't even deserve to be heard. The USA fuels terrorism worlwide, that gives them a strong justification to keep killing and invading.

The Maine "Incident"; the Americans sent one of their warships to Havana (back then a part of Spain), blew it up and blamed Spain for it. Declared war on us and stole our last colonies. Invaded Philippines, Puerto Rico and Cuba.

Pearl Harbor Attack; the Americans had imposed an oil embargo on Japan, forcing Japan to attack them. Oddly they couldn't stop the attack, but surprisingly their carriers were not there to be sunk. "The day of Infamy" gave them a casus belli and 100% popular support to join the war.

9/11 Attack; Shown on every TV from every angle, during months to follow, to infuriate the ignorant masses and get a 100% popular support that would justify their pre-planned invasions. There were reports who warned of an imminent terrorist attack, but they were dismissed.

There are plenty of examples like the ones above.

Spain was attacked by terrorists on 11M and we didn't invade any nation, luckily, not even a single racist attack on Muslims in Spain was registered after the bombings of Madrid. Using your military to invade weak and innocent nations is not a thing to be proud of.

I'm glad we didn't bend over to the USA demands, and the best thing is after Spain withdrew its troops from Iraq, many other nations followed us. It's pioneers who inspire others to do noble actions.
At this point, only the USA, UK, and some poor nation mercenaries remain in Iraq.

Ignorance is bliss, certainly I was happier and felt much safer when I was a kid and believed everything on the American movies was true.
02tonyl
QUOTE(tigreton3000 @ Jun 29 2007, 05:58 AM) [snapback]3031719[/snapback]
I'm sick of hearing this wrong concept most people have thinking that Japan doesn't have a military.
Japan does have a very modern, well-equipped and trained "conventional" military. They're limited in terms such as, they're not allowed to build nuclear warheads, carriers, nuclear submarines, ICBMs, etc.

Basically the Japanese military is restricted so that they can't carry out large scale offensive actions or project their force overseas consistently. In other words, the USA doesn't allow them to have an offensive military, ready to invade another nations, as is the US military.

The USA doesn't deploy troops in Japan (or South Korea, or any nation) to protect them, they do it to protect their interests worldwide and consolidate their modern imperialism (economic dominance of the world). Now their efforts are especially focused on China, that will be the world's richest, and probably the strongest, nation. China is their main concern, as they're as of now the only ones who can dispute American control of the world's policies and resources.

The European Union is rich and big, but too bad, we're not a nation, we speak many different languages and we contradict each other all the time. The USA would wish China to be like Europe, a lot of small nations with little sociocultural cohesion.

The USA didn't bomb Serbia because of Milosevic. They did it to divide Europe even more both politically and culturally. They follow the "divide and conquer" motto.

Actually the USA has historically supported lots of cruel dictators and genocides that went with their flow. Many of these situations happened in Latin America where their secret services supported, financed and planned coup d'etats, assassinations, dictatorships, etc.

Bin Laden and Fidel Castro, they were close buddies of the CIA in their beginnings.

If the USA was fighting for world peace, they would dedicate their military to stop conflicts in Africa, such as that of Rwanda. And not creating new ones.

The USA is taking positions for a future conflict with China. The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with war on terror. The Americans have always manipulated the facts and used massive propaganda campaigns to start wars and annext more territories for their neo-empire: See Pulitzer, Hearst and many others. Plain and simply put, they invaded Iraq to steal their oil.

The term "War on Terror" was coined by their biased media, and it's similar to that of "Remember the Maine!" back in 1898. Anyonewho believes they fight to stop terrorism is just a moron who doesn't even deserve to be heard. The USA fuels terrorism worlwide, that gives them a strong justification to keep killing and invading.

Spanish-American War; the Americans sent one of their warships to Havana (back then a part of Spain), blew it up and blamed Spain for it. Declared War on us and stole our last colonies. Invaded Philippines, Puerto Rico and Cuba.

Pearl Harbour Attack; the Americans had imposed an oil embargo on Japan, forcing Japan to attack them. Oddly they couldn't stop the attack, but surprisingly their carriers were not there to be sunk. "The day of Infamy" gave them a casus belli and 100% popular support to join the war.

9/11 Attack; Shown on every TV from every angle, during months to follow, to infuriate the ignorant masses and get a 100% popular support that would justify their pre-planned invasions. There were reports who warned of an imminent terrorist attack, but they were dismissed.

There are plenty of examples like the ones above.

Spain was attacked by terrorists on 11M and we didn't invade any nation, luckily, not even a single racist attack on Muslims in Spain was registered after the bombings of Madrid. Using your military to invade weak and innocent nations is not a thing to be proud of.

I'm glad we didn't bend over to the USA demands, and the best thing is after Spain withdrew its troops from Iraq, many other nations followed us. It's pioneers who inspire others to do noble actions.
At this point, only the USA, UK, and some poor nation mercenaries remain in Iraq.

Ignorance is bliss, certainly I was happier and felt much safer when I was a kid and believed everything on the American movies was true.



Please stop making US China comparison, China does not wish to compete with the US, China just wants her people to have better lives and create a well off society. Don't believe the western media too much.

The US is still number 1 and they can sit on that throne as long as they want.
Kian Seng
QUOTE(tigreton3000 @ Jun 29 2007, 04:58 AM) [snapback]3031719[/snapback]
I'm sick of hearing this wrong concept most people have thinking that Japan doesn't have a military.
Japan does have a very modern, well-equipped and trained "conventional" military. They're limited in terms such as, they're not allowed to build nuclear warheads, carriers, nuclear submarines, ICBMs, etc.

Basically the Japanese military is restricted so that they can't carry out large scale offensive actions or project their force overseas consistently. In other words, the USA doesn't allow them to have an offensive military, ready to invade another nations, as is the US military.

The USA doesn't deploy troops in Japan (or South Korea, or any nation) to protect them, they do it to protect their interests worldwide and consolidate their modern imperialism (economic dominance of the world). Now their efforts are especially focused on China, that will be the world's richest, and probably the strongest, nation. China is their main concern, as they're as of now the only ones who can dispute American control of the world's policies and resources.

The European Union is rich and big, but too bad, we're not a nation, we speak many different languages and we contradict each other all the time. The USA would wish China to be like Europe, a lot of small nations with little sociocultural cohesion.

The USA didn't bomb Serbia because of Milosevic. They did it to divide Europe even more both politically and culturally. They follow the "divide and conquer" motto.

Actually the USA has historically supported lots of cruel dictators and genocides that went with their flow. Many of these situations happened in Latin America where their secret services supported, financed and planned coup d'etats, assassinations, dictatorships, etc.

Bin Laden and Fidel Castro, they were close buddies of the CIA in their beginnings.

If the USA was fighting for world peace, they would dedicate their military to stop conflicts in Africa, such as that of Rwanda. And not creating new ones.

The USA is taking positions for a future conflict with China. The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with war on terror. The Americans have always manipulated the facts and used massive propaganda campaigns to start wars and annext more territories for their neo-empire: See Pulitzer, Hearst and many others. Plain and simply put, they invaded Iraq to steal their oil.

The term "War on Terror" was coined by their biased media, and it's similar to that of "Remember the Maine!" back in 1898. Anyone who believes they fight to stop terrorism is just a moron who doesn't even deserve to be heard. The USA fuels terrorism worlwide, that gives them a strong justification to keep killing and invading.

The Maine "Incident"; the Americans sent one of their warships to Havana (back then a part of Spain), blew it up and blamed Spain for it. Declared war on us and stole our last colonies. Invaded Philippines, Puerto Rico and Cuba.

Pearl Harbor Attack; the Americans had imposed an oil embargo on Japan, forcing Japan to attack them. Oddly they couldn't stop the attack, but surprisingly their carriers were not there to be sunk. "The day of Infamy" gave them a casus belli and 100% popular support to join the war.

9/11 Attack; Shown on every TV from every angle, during months to follow, to infuriate the ignorant masses and get a 100% popular support that would justify their pre-planned invasions. There were reports who warned of an imminent terrorist attack, but they were dismissed.

There are plenty of examples like the ones above.

Spain was attacked by terrorists on 11M and we didn't invade any nation, luckily, not even a single racist attack on Muslims in Spain was registered after the bombings of Madrid. Using your military to invade weak and innocent nations is not a thing to be proud of.

I'm glad we didn't bend over to the USA demands, and the best thing is after Spain withdrew its troops from Iraq, many other nations followed us. It's pioneers who inspire others to do noble actions.
At this point, only the USA, UK, and some poor nation mercenaries remain in Iraq.

Ignorance is bliss, certainly I was happier and felt much safer when I was a kid and believed everything on the American movies was true.



Thats all conspiracy. And America obviously wants to leave the middle-east, but with every muslim, saying death to America and I'm going to kill Americans... they aren't amking it easy are they? Everywhere on the news, they report the extreme tension between muslims in Europe. Don't act like, only America has problems with them.
Helanio
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protocl
japanese gov. wants to rewrite a specfic law which allow japan to make offensive action towards hostile entities.

based on the geneva convention, no country can take offensive lethal action towards anyone/country, if that country basically lost a war previously.

so, this means germany and japan cannot declare war upon anyone.

due to the n.korea situate, this is why japan wants to rewrite this law.
Helanio
korea will kill japan if they try to start a war.
frozen_korean
Japan's weakness is that its idiot leaders in the 20th century didnt know this would happen. They were so influenced by the Nazis and whitewashed they didnt think their country would be nuked. Today Japan will never have its own military. It will be run by the Americans forever while Korea will have its independant military as it reunites with North Korea. Japan can not develop nuclear weapons. If they do Asia will aim all their missiles to Japan. Japan will have no indigenous military just joint forces with USA. This is why Japan should have not mindlessly try to "conquer" asia because it would have never happened. This is why Japan is and will forever be regarded as the only asian country that has not won any wars.
mikekk86
QUOTE(frozen_korean @ Jul 27 2007, 05:03 AM) [snapback]3082835[/snapback]
Japan's weakness is that its idiot leaders in the 20th century didnt know this would happen. They were so influenced by the Nazis and whitewashed they didnt think their country would be nuked. Today Japan will never have its own military. It will be run by the Americans forever while Korea will have its independant military as it reunites with North Korea. Japan can not develop nuclear weapons. If they do Asia will aim all their missiles to Japan. Japan will have no indigenous military just joint forces with USA. This is why Japan should have not mindlessly try to "conquer" asia because it would have never happened. This is why Japan is and will forever be regarded as the only asian country that has not won any wars.


North and South Korea will unit? How will this happen and when?

Ohhhh...you were the one who said,"At least [japan] invented sushi. Oh wait that was a Korean invention." You never explained this to me.
catman
Japan was not forced to attack Pearl Harbour. This is a position taken by the right-wing in Japan. The same group of people will also say that Japan was forced to occupy and modernize Korea.
catman
QUOTE(frozen_korean @ Jul 27 2007, 05:03 AM) [snapback]3082835[/snapback]
Japan's weakness is that its idiot leaders in the 20th century didnt know this would happen. They were so influenced by the Nazis and whitewashed they didnt think their country would be nuked. Today Japan will never have its own military. It will be run by the Americans forever while Korea will have its independant military as it reunites with North Korea.


The two Koreas are uniting? Must of missed the press release.


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This is why Japan is and will forever be regarded as the only asian country that has not won any wars.


Good lord. Where do you find this stuff? Japan has won several wars in recent history. How do you think the Korea got to be occupied? You should try a freshen up on your Asian history a little more.
Dark_Goku
QUOTE(ninjakamster @ Nov 17 2006, 10:26 PM) [snapback]2491516[/snapback]
I am wondering if Japan will ever say goodbye to the U.S troops stationed in its country and ever form its own army. Its quite clear that Japan is slowly but surely going more right wing and becoming more nationalistic.

Does it bother the majority of Japanese that they have to have another country defend them and that they are like the U.S's lapdog? I know Japanese here won't like that comment one bit, especially Takashi I assume.

Seems the Japanese don't like the American soldiers on their soil, having Americans harrasing their citizens, even if on a very small scale. What are the costs and benefits of having the U.S defend Japan? Do the costs outweight the benefits or vice versa?

Please discuss and be nice.


Yes Japan will one day have its own military again and it won't be too long from that either.

I could explain it to you, but you would take me a crazy man.
HanSolo2012
QUOTE (moobie @ Mar 29 2007, 11:47 PM) *
Japan should just make advanced nukes and ICBMs or something. Save some money and adapt technology for nuclear energy plants as well.

<_>


It is yes and no,
Yes, Japan should have some deterence measures.

No, it should not be ICBMs. Instead, I thinks Japan will deploy their deterence measures via Blue Water Fleets they are currently building up.
Think about it, why would you give your opponent a fix target and Japan is not a very big country with lot of land mass.
elleX0
QUOTE (ninjakamster @ Nov 18 2006, 03:26 AM) *
I am wondering if Japan will ever say goodbye to the U.S troops stationed in its country and ever form its own army. Its quite clear that Japan is slowly but surely going more right wing and becoming more nationalistic.

Does it bother the majority of Japanese that they have to have another country defend them and that they are like the U.S's lapdog? I know Japanese here won't like that comment one bit, especially Takashi I assume.

Seems the Japanese don't like the American soldiers on their soil, having Americans harrasing their citizens, even if on a very small scale. What are the costs and benefits of having the U.S defend Japan? Do the costs outweight the benefits or vice versa?

Please discuss and be nice.

America is too scared of China to ever leave Japan. America can launch her ICBM's on any part of China from Japan.
MarrickvilleMauler
Japan, like Germany, should NEVER be allowed to have a military capable of launching offensives.

They have forfeited their right to do so.
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