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maldini
QUOTE(1+1 @ Nov 29 2006, 06:51 AM) [snapback]2523580[/snapback]

Why would I want to change the law that benefit me? Anyway, thanks to those patungs for keeping the malay in power. Seriously, are you implying that people in MCA and Gerakan, and millions of non malays who voted for them stupid?
Good idea. I also think its time for UMNO, MCA and MIC to merge since they've been together in the same coalition for decades already.


spot on 1+1, that's why it is almost impossible for them to change the law to be FAIRER.
anyway, i never say those are stupid. do u think most of the non-malay will vote for PAS if not MCA/Gerakan? Be real... laugh.gif
1+1
QUOTE(maldini @ Nov 28 2006, 06:03 PM) [snapback]2523755[/snapback]

spot on 1+1, that's why it is almost impossible for them to change the law to be FAIRER.
anyway, i never say those are stupid. do u think most of the non-malay will vote for PAS if not MCA/Gerakan? Be real... laugh.gif


The last time I checked, DAP and ADIL are still on the opposition side, not just PAS. Okay, gotta go.
maldini
QUOTE(1+1 @ Nov 29 2006, 08:25 AM) [snapback]2523812[/snapback]

The last time I checked, DAP and ADIL are still on the opposition side, not just PAS. Okay, gotta go.

the problem is... those party never exists in every place....
FIVB
QUOTE(Malay_guy @ Nov 22 2006, 07:50 AM) [snapback]2502859[/snapback]

This Malay own land and you immigrants doesn't have a right to complain. We don't put you in a concentration camp and you should be grateful. You can have big house, big cars and big everything. you can do open up business all you want and we don't stop you. If you don't satisfy with our hospitality, go run back to China or Taiwan or Singapore or wherever there's no "discrimination".



So, I strongly agree with you. (As you think, Malaysia is Malay's Malaysia)

All ethnic Chinese should migrate to Singapore or Taiwan, but not China biggrin.gif .

Also all ethnic Indian (Tamil) should migrate to India or any non-muslim ex-British colonies (Canada, Australia, Kenya, Nepal, etc), but not Sri Lanka biggrin.gif .
jaesan
QUOTE(Malay_guy @ Nov 21 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]2502859[/snapback]
This Malay own land and you immigrants doesn't have a right to complain. We don't put you in a concentration camp and you should be grateful. You can have big house, big cars and big everything. you can do open up business all you want and we don't stop you. If you don't satisfy with our hospitality, go run back to China or Taiwan or Singapore or wherever there's no "discrimination".


Oh wow this is very arrogant of you to say this.
Pink Cream
QUOTE(Malay_guy @ Nov 22 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]2502859[/snapback]
This Malay own land and you immigrants doesn't have a right to complain. We don't put you in a concentration camp and you should be grateful. You can have big house, big cars and big everything. you can do open up business all you want and we don't stop you. If you don't satisfy with our hospitality, go run back to China or Taiwan or Singapore or wherever there's no "discrimination".

hahahaha... i like how you roll cool30.gif
theng
QUOTE(Malay_guy @ Nov 22 2006, 07:50 AM) [snapback]2502859[/snapback]
This Malay own land and you immigrants doesn't have a right to complain. We don't put you in a concentration camp and you should be grateful. You can have big house, big cars and big everything. you can do open up business all you want and we don't stop you. If you don't satisfy with our hospitality, go run back to China or Taiwan or Singapore or wherever there's no "discrimination".

Did u tell ur Chinese wife about that? What was her reaction,huh?
HangPC2
asyik salahkan melayu bosan aku.........
MutiaraTimur
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QUOTE(Malay_guy @ Nov 22 2006, 07:50 AM)

This Malay own land and you immigrants doesn't have a right to complain. We don't put you in a concentration camp and you should be grateful. You can have big house, big cars and big everything. you can do open up business all you want and we don't stop you. If you don't satisfy with our hospitality, go run back to China or Taiwan or Singapore or wherever there's no "discrimination".


The Chinese Ethnics were immigrating to Malaya since the Perjanjian Pangkor between the British and Malay Sultans. The Chinese Ethics came to Malaya with nothing! They came as labour for the British Colonization! Looks at now a day, the Chinese Ethic Malaysia born are more successful than the Malays, either in Financial or Education or self improvement or attitude. (Refer back to their survival history, if you want to know more) Why? And who’s mistake?

Then, The UMNO Capitalist played fire on the racism one week before the occurrence of the incident of 13 May 1969. They let’s the bottom class of their friends “Poor Malay” fight with the Chinese Ethnic. I am so query that why no racism riot occurred in Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan, Terrenganu, Pahang and the Borneo during that time? On the year of 1970, The UMNO Capitalist was taking advantage the incident of 13 May to introduce NEP to protect their interest. If NEP really aimed at protecting the poor Bumiputras, then why it still did not achieve its target as Bumiputras equity was only about 18 percents for 37 years? Looks, from 14 percents to 18 percents (Only increase 4 percents) for 37 years? - (Correct me if I am wrong)

In Borneo (Sabah & Sarawak), there is no appearance racism discrimination among their people. They can have lunch together in the same coffee house but taking own food from different stall. They all tolerance and understanding on each other, even the ethnic Chinese Borneo born can speak malay fluently. But, the harmony not last longer for the Sabah since the UMNO entered to Sabah politics.

Ethnic Chinese should not blame the Bumiputras and the Bumiputras also should not jealous with Ethnic Chinese. I feel it’s time there are no UMNO, MCA & MIC, they should merge in one trunk! They should co-operated and help on each other to grasp the opportunity in the globalization, just learn from Japanese.

“The Mighty create us with same colour of blood but difference of culture. This is a test from The Mighty. Why we can’t be unity? Where is our wisdom which is given by The Mighty?”

Also remember : ”No critics no improvement!”
tengkuafif
QUOTE(aaaw @ Nov 17 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]2489830[/snapback]
Below is something that I've seen posted on various forums. It lists the racist crimes of the Malays against the Chinese. When will the Chinese pull their heads out of the sand and realize that the Malays are out to eliminate them entirely from Malaysia? The rich Chinese who thought they could continue to get rich by dominating the economy of Malaysia while the Malays dominate the Malaysian politics have now found they have lost all their assets such as banks, manufacturing corporations, trading corporations, hotels, etc. Even poor Chinese cannot get jobs as taxi drivers or bus drivers, let alone as police officers or military officers. And Chinese intellectuals have found they are squeezed out of the universities. So when will the Chinese wake up and do something? It should be obvious to them that if they don't do something soon, they will eventually find themselves become beggars with nothing but the tattered shirts on their backs.
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And today this is what happened in Malaysia racism,

These lists cover a period of about 49 years since Independence Day in Malaysia (1957):

(1) Out of all the 5 major banks in Malaysia , only one bank is own by multi-racial, the rest are controlled by Malays.

(2) 99% of Petronas (the only one petroleum company) directors are Malays, and the former Prime Minister work as Consultant in Petronas.

(3) 3% of Petronas employees are Chinese.

(4) 99% of 2000 Petronas gasoline stations are owned by Malays.

(5) 100% all contractors working under Petronas projects must be "bumi's status" (Malay).

(6) 0% of non-Malays staffs are legally required in Malay's companies. But there must be 30% Malays staffs in Chinese companies. And big companies in Malaysia require a Malays hold as director status with 51% shareholder. Which this mean non-Malays own company needs to give their property to Malays. And non-Malays citizen can't really own their business.

(7) 5% of all new intake for government police, nurses, army, is non-Malays.

(8) 2% is the present Chinese staff in Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF), drop from 40% in 1960.

(9) 2% is the percentage of non-Malays government servants in Putrajaya ( Malaysia main government office). But Malays make up 98%.

(10) 7% is the percentage of Chinese government servants in the whole government (in 2004), drop from 30% in 1960. Only 2 position for non-Malays in political status.

(11) 95% of government contracts are given to Malays; even it is an open tender. Non-Malays contractors tender the lower price and use better materials can't get the contract that government given.

(12) 100% all business licensees are controlled by Malay government e.g. Taxi permits, Approved permits, etc. and all the license are given to government officer families.

(13) 80% of the Chinese rice millers in Kedah (north of peninsular Malaysia ) had to be sold to Malay and controlled by Bernas (Government Org.) since 1980s. Otherwise, life is make difficult for Chinese rice millers.

(14) 100 big companies set up, owned and managed by Chinese Malaysians were taken over by government, and later managed by Malays since 1970's e.g. UTC, UMBC, MISC, etc. This company now is the sole company.

(15) At least 10 Chinese owned bus companies (throughout Malaysia, throughout 40 years) had to be sold to MARA or other Malay transport companies due to rejection by Malay authority to Chinese application for bus routes and rejection for their application for new buses.

(16) 2 Chinese taxi drivers were barred from driving in Johor (South of Peninsular Malaysia) Larkin bus station. There are about 30 taxi drivers and 3 are Chinese in October 2004. Spoiling taxi club properties was the reason given.

(17) 0 non-Malays are allowed to get shop lots in the new Muar (city in south peninsular Malaysia) bus station (November 2004).

(18) 8000 billions ringgit is the total amount the government channeled to Malays pockets through ASB, ASN, MARA, privatization of government agencies like Tabung Haji etc, through NEP over 34 years periods.

(19) 48 Chinese primary schools closed down since 1968 - 2000

(20) 144 Indian primary schools closed down since 1968 - 2000

(21) 2637 Malay primary schools built since 1968 - 2000

(22) 2.5% is government budget for Chinese primary schools. Indian schools got only 1%, Malay schools got 96.5%.

(23) while a Chinese parent with RM1000 salary (monthly) cannot get school-text-book-loan, and a
Malay parent with RM2000 salary is eligible.

(24) 10 all public universities vice chancellors are Malays. And politics in universities are held by Malays. If non-Malays want to form a politics parties, there is no way to get approved.

(25) 5% - the government universities lecturers of non-Malay origins had been reduced from about 70% in
1965 to only 5% in 2004 with the reason Malaysia Education Ministry give full support for Malays only.

(26) Only 5% is given to non-Malays for government scholarships over 40 years.

(27) 0 Chinese or Indians were sent to Japan and Korea under "Look East Policy".

(28) 128 STPM (High Study / A Level) Chinese top students could not get into the course that they aspired i.e. Medicine and doctors (in 2004). Malays with not qualify result can get into the course.

(29) 10% place for non-bumi students for MARA science schools beginning from year 2003, but only 7% are filled. Before that it was 100% Malays.

(30) 50 cases whereby Chinese and Indian Malaysians, are beaten up in the National Service program since
2003.

(31) 25% is Malaysian Chinese population in 2004, drop from 45% since 1957 because government are not
support non-Malays like government support Malays.

(32) 7% is the present Malaysian Indians population (2004), a drop from 12% since 1957.

(33) 2 millions Chinese Malaysians had emigrated to overseas since 40 years ago due to unfair politics.

(34) 0.5 million Indians Malaysians had emigrated to overseas.

(35) 3 millions Indonesians had migrated into Malaysia and became Malaysian citizens with bumi's status.

(36) 600,000 are the Chinese and Indians Malaysians with "red I/C" (a temporary identity card) and were
rejected repeatedly when applying for citizenship for 40 years. Perhaps 60% of them had already passed
away due to old age. This shows racism of how easily Indonesians got their citizenships compare with the
Chinese and Indians

(37) 5% - 15% discount for a Malay to buy a house, regardless whether the Malay is rich or poor

(38) 2% is what Chinese new villages get compare with 98% of what Malays villages got for rural development budget..

(39) 50 road names (at least) had been change from Chinese names to other names.

(40) 1 Dewan Gan Boon Leong (in Malacca) was altered to other name (e.g. Dewan Serbaguna or sort) when it was being officially used for a few days. Government tries to shun Chinese names. This racism happened in around year 2000 or sort.

(41) 0 temples/churches were built for each housing estate. But every housing estate MUST got at least
one mosque/surau built.

(42) 3000 mosques/surau were built in all housing estates throughout Malaysia since 1970 with full
government support. No temples, no churches are built in housing estates that supported by government.

(43) 1 Catholic Church in Shah Alam took 20 years to apply to be constructed. But told by Malay authority
that it must look like a factory and can't look like a church. Still not yet approved since 2004.

(44) 1 publishing of Bible in Iban language banned (in 2002)

(45) 0 of the government TV stations (RTM1,RTM2,TV3) are directors of non-Malays origin.

(46) 30 government produced TV dramas and films always showed that the bad guys had Chinese face,
and the good guys had Malay face. You can check it out since 1970s. Recent years, this tendency becomes less.

(47) 10 times, at least, Malays (especially Umno) had threatened to massacre the Chinese Malaysians
using May 13 since 1969.

(48) 20 constituencies won by DAP would not get funds from the government to develop. Or these Chinese majority constituencies would be the last to be developed

(49) 100 constituencies (parliaments and states) had been racist re-delineated so Chinese voters were
diluted that Chinese candidates, particularly DAP candidates lost in election since 1970s

(50) Only 3 out of 12 human rights items are ratified by Malaysia government since 1960

(51) 0 elimination of, all forms of racial discrimination (UN Human Rights) is not ratified by Malaysia government since 1960s

(52) 20 reported cases whereby Malay ambulance attendance treated Chinese patients inhumanely, and
Malay government hospital staffs purposely delay attending to Chinese patients in 2003. Unreported
cases may be 200

(53) 50 cases each year whereby Chinese, especially Chinese youths being beaten up by Malay youths in
public places. We may check at police reports provided the police took the report, otherwise there
will be no record

(54) 20 cases every year whereby Chinese drivers who accidentally knocked down Malays were seriously
assaulted or killed by Malays

(55) 12% is what ASB/ASN (Malays Own banks) got per annum while banks fixed deposit is only about 3.5% per annum.

(56) The latest news about the police in Malaysia. Believe that the Malaysia police officer have caught
a Chinese girl and punish her with naked body nearby the windows that other people (believe that is
police officer) can took video recording via mobile phones. This news spread to China , and finally
Malaysia government told to public that is Malay girl. After that there's no more news about the
case.

And more cases haven't been discovered.

So, if any Malaysian read this mail and got extra opinion please add into this mail and forward to everyone who feel this is unfair to other race in Malaysia .

Your forward mail will be much appreciated.

FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN RACE....

Thank you,

From,
Malaysian Race Humanity 2006
Malaysian_humanity@yahoo.com
http://www.network54.com/Forum/238054/thre...+ethnic+Chinese

This is normal. Even in multicultural America, Australia, Europe etc, the same thing happen to the minorities in those countries/regions.
Bringer_Of_Death
Actually I'm bored with this thing how come this stupid topic is still floating around.

Let it die.

Asyik nak lawan buat apa?

Kamu boleh tunjuk jari kepada bangsa lain tapi kamu sendiri tak boleh lihat kesalahan sendiri.


danny94
Dear my Malay friend, Im a Chinese and yes, the Malay do have a little unfair to the Chinese. But as a Chinese living in Malaysia. I dont complain too much, the only thing complain is only the recent increase in crime. Hell, every races in Malaysia also complain about the recent crime increase. Like car thief etc. Tell you what every races in Malaysia contribute crime to our beloved Malaysia, The Malay take corruption from the Chinese, because most dirty business are done by Chinese. Crime like car theif, whore etc are all done by Chinese. And the indian contributed mostly small crime like rape etc.

I dont care if everyone have to speak Malay, as long we can reunited and our country can become rich and we can live so happily and we can be such a good friends without considering races and off course we can live in peace i wont mind.

I believe some Malay do hate us Chinese, but there is always a reason. And some Chinese also hate the Malay because of the unfair policy. But if everyone can think in a different way, like the Chinese should think they're not perfect also. The Chinese MUST understand that the Chinese contribute alot of crime to our country as well. So, we're all the same.
wongfeehung
QUOTE(danny94 @ Jul 9 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]3049281[/snapback]
Dear my Malay friend, Im a Chinese and yes, the Malay do have a little unfair to the Chinese. But as a Chinese living in Malaysia. I dont complain too much, the only thing complain is only the recent increase in crime. Hell, every races in Malaysia also complain about the recent crime increase. Like car thief etc. Tell you what every races in Malaysia contribute crime to our beloved Malaysia, The Malay take corruption from the Chinese, because most dirty business are done by Chinese. Crime like car theif, whore etc are all done by Chinese. And the indian contributed mostly small crime like rape etc.

I dont care if everyone have to speak Malay, as long we can reunited and our country can become rich and we can live so happily and we can be such a good friends without considering races and off course we can live in peace i wont mind.

I believe some Malay do hate us Chinese, but there is always a reason. And some Chinese also hate the Malay because of the unfair policy. But if everyone can think in a different way, like the Chinese should think they're not perfect also. The Chinese MUST understand that the Chinese contribute alot of crime to our country as well. So, we're all the same.


Well said I concur!!!!!!

Without Chinese and Indian business in Malaysia, Malaysia would be nothing, but a bankrupt nation............
fadlee
QUOTE(wongfeehung @ Jul 12 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]3055363[/snapback]
Well said I concur!!!!!!

Without Chinese and Indian business in Malaysia, Malaysia would be nothing, but a bankrupt nation............

i cant believe someone did actually said something like that.. LOL wong fei hong?? we had enough of this racial bashing.. its time to talk about prosperous unity among our community.. beerchug.gif
wongfeehung
QUOTE(fadlee @ Jul 13 2007, 07:42 PM) [snapback]3058449[/snapback]
i cant believe someone did actually said something like that.. LOL wong fei hong?? we had enough of this racial bashing.. its time to talk about prosperous unity among our community.. beerchug.gif


Well said fadlee, I agree .....the people want this...prosperous unity among our community so let the government set the example for it's citizens;

1......Freedom of speech
2......Freedom of press
3......Freedom of worship
4......Equality between races

Once the above 4 mentioned have been achieved then we will be on the road to real democracy
swingdoctor
QUOTE(fadlee @ Jul 13 2007, 07:42 PM) [snapback]3058449[/snapback]
i cant believe someone did actually said something like that.. LOL wong fei hong?? we had enough of this racial bashing.. its time to talk about prosperous unity among our community.. beerchug.gif

I agree with the term unity, to unite a country all the citizens in that country need to be treated equally. You cannot unite a country when one race and or religion is percieved as being better then another. This is the fallacy in Malaysia and this is why there will never be complete peace. The really odd thing about Malaysia is this, all of us have friends of another race and religion. Virtually all of us get along well with these friends. I remember at school I had good Malay and Indian friends. Yet Malaysians still think of race, and is still very racially divided. To unite a country, you need to start at the top. As a former Malaysian, I find it hard to admit that LKY got it right.
TheEarthCitizen
LOL, races...religions...aren't they tools from millenniums ago that were used to gather groups of people under control? They separated and divided humans into groups, because there were so many selfish leaders who wanted to control their wealth through economics and politics. And because of these selfishness and the stubbornness to prove themselves right over other groups, they fought, despised, condemned and even killed each other. With humans arguably the most intelligent living beings on Earth, it's a comedy that they are still sticking to beliefs that have caused so much problems everywhere in the world.

The whole world should start educate world citizens towards modern and free thinking that accept the whole human population as a whole. Guidances should be given based on human rights, not supernatural beliefs. However, should this approach ever be taken, it will take years, even centuries to form.

As long as humans stick to age-old mindsets and continue to use them as tools for selfish needs, humans will never improve. So what with rocket sciences and super computers? Human brains made them. If humans still allow their brain to be preset by myths and superficials, humans shouldn't be deemed as modern...yet.
fargowin
Racism in Malaysia is apparent to anyone who has eyes! Malays are just a bunch of cripples who will collapse to the ground if their tongkat is taken away.

Remove their constitutional rights, their 7% discount on houses, their 30% equity in companies, their quota system in public universities etc……….what is left?

Only a bunch of malays begging in gutters or worse, they may have to eat pork to survive!
1+1
QUOTE(fargowin @ Sep 19 2007, 12:36 AM) [snapback]3217528[/snapback]
Racism in Malaysia is apparent to anyone who has eyes! Malays are just a bunch of cripples who will collapse to the ground if their tongkat is taken away.

Remove their constitutional rights, their 7% discount on houses, their 30% equity in companies, their quota system in public universities etc……….what is left?

Only a bunch of malays begging in gutters or worse, they may have to eat pork to survive!



Because we constantly see stupid and racist comments from non Malays such as you, it will only strenghthen our will to keep the system, maybe forever. What are you gonna do? Rioting? Try that if you want the best of FRU in your face. Leave Malaysia, well, I am glad if you do that. Don't say that Malaysia or Malay will not survive. The percentage of Chinese in Malaysia is dropping every year, from high 45% to now 25%, but Malaysian economy keep growing. We don't care if you want to take your mom and pop business somewhere else. There are a lot of bumis, especially those from Kelantan who can fill up the spot.
theng
plz just let this thread die...stop bringing it up icon_rolleyes.gif
polisrichard
Bukan nak kata ape la..
aku pelik kenapa org cina dok x puas hati ngan sistem yang dah ada..
Org melayu dah byk kompromi dengan cina ni..
Sape yang bagi jus soli kat org cina?
Pemimpin cina dulu yang sendiri setuju..jangan kacau hak istimewa melayu..
dan org melayu takkan halang semua bangsa lain hidup dgn cara mereka..
bandingkan dgn Singapore..apa ada??
Hisap rokok x boleh..makan chewing gum x boleh..nk racing pun x boleh..
x de life..
Org cina tak boleh kumpul kaya ke kat Malaysia ni??
Org cina kene pukul bila2 jalan2 kat shopping kompleks??
Cina x boleh sambut chinese new year ke??
Org cina x boleh semayang kat tokong ke???
Ape yang cina x boleh buat??
Cuba pikir..
sape yang mati terkorban kat tangan British??
Sape yang mati terkorban kat tangan Portugis??
Sape yang mati lawan jepun??
Sape yang menentang Malayan UNion??
Sape yang skarang ni sedang berada kat sempadan negara??
Sape yang berpanas berhujan kat tgh jalan raya kawal trafik..

Moralnyadisini..
Bersyukur dengan apa yang ada..
Org melayu dapat tender..org cina, india pun dapat hasil..
Sebab org melayu mesti beli bahan dari korang..
sama2 la kite kongsi..
Kerajaan pun dah makin longgar dengan org Cina,
tgk UKM dan UM dah tau..
berlambak org Cina..
Sedangkan UKM tu asalnya hanya untuk org melayu..
Sekian..
Yang x phm bahasa Malaysia..pegi blajo..

HangPC2
Tak Tahu Lah Kalau Diorang Tak Paham icon_sad.gif atau buat-buat tak paham
swingdoctor
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Sep 25 2007, 11:29 PM) [snapback]3231730[/snapback]
Tak Tahu Lah Kalau Diorang Tak Paham icon_sad.gif atau buat-buat tak paham

Personally I understand, but since his remarks are un-informed and since its his first posting, I'm inclined to think he's a troll.
polisrichard
aku ni newbie yang berpengetahuan..
sendiri mau pikirla
sama mcm adik beradik..
kalo abang sulung banyak berkorban untuk keluarga..
mak bapak sayang die lebih x?
sama mcm konsep melayu-cina
swingdoctor
QUOTE(polisrichard @ Sep 26 2007, 12:13 AM) [snapback]3231791[/snapback]
aku ni newbie yang berpengetahuan..
sendiri mau pikirla
sama mcm adik beradik..
kalo abang sulung banyak berkorban untuk keluarga..
mak bapak sayang die lebih x?
sama mcm konsep melayu-cina

Now he's talking in riddles.
MutiaraTimur
QUOTE(polisrichard @ Sep 26 2007, 12:00 PM) [snapback]3231685[/snapback]
Bukan nak kata ape la..
aku pelik kenapa org cina dok x puas hati ngan sistem yang dah ada..
Org melayu dah byk kompromi dengan cina ni..
Sape yang bagi jus soli kat org cina?
Pemimpin cina dulu yang sendiri setuju..jangan kacau hak istimewa melayu..
dan org melayu takkan halang semua bangsa lain hidup dgn cara mereka..
bandingkan dgn Singapore..apa ada??
Hisap rokok x boleh..makan chewing gum x boleh..nk racing pun x boleh..Ini undang-undang Kerajaan Singapore bukan undang-undnag orang Cina
x de life..
Org cina tak boleh kumpul kaya ke kat Malaysia ni??Orang Cina mampu buat sebab Malay pemalas
Org cina kene pukul bila2 jalan2 kat shopping kompleks??Kebanyakan shopping kompleks orang Cina punya share besar...
Cina x boleh sambut chinese new year ke??40% nasional economic digengam oleh orang Cina yang hanya 25% populasinya
Org cina x boleh semayang kat tokong ke???Ini pasal agama la...
Ape yang cina x boleh buat??Bersaing secara adil dan saksama
Cuba pikir..
sape yang mati terkorban kat tangan British??Orang Punjabi yang kebanyakan menjadi askar upahan jajahan British la beb...
Sape yang mati terkorban kat tangan Portugis??Itu zaman sultan la, mana ada ideologi nasionalisme dan patriotik, melayu masih tidor masa tuh??
Sape yang mati lawan jepun??Mestila orang British dan Cina, sebab orang Jepun memang Anti-Cina, si Malayu hanya menjadi Pak Turut kepada yang berkuasa saja
Sape yang menentang Malayan UNion??UMNO menentang sebab kepentingan members diorang akan terbahagi
Sape yang skarang ni sedang berada kat sempadan negara??Sejak bila kerajaan buka kpd orang-orang Cina dalam pertahanan darat ah??? salah siapa ya??
Sape yang berpanas berhujan kat tgh jalan raya kawal trafik.. sebab senang nak dapt rasuah, sapa tak nak jadik traffic???

Moralnyadisini..
Bersyukur dengan apa yang ada..
Org melayu dapat tender..org cina, india pun dapat hasil..
Sebab org melayu mesti beli bahan dari korang..
sama2 la kite kongsi..
Kerajaan pun dah makin longgar dengan org Cina,
tgk UKM dan UM dah tau..
berlambak org Cina..
Sedangkan UKM tu asalnya hanya untuk org melayu..
Sekian..
Yang x phm bahasa Malaysia..pegi blajo..


Malaysia for Malaysian!!! Hurai!!! tak lebih pada melayu atau orang cina...
MutiaraTimur
QUOTE(polisrichard @ Sep 26 2007, 01:13 PM) [snapback]3231791[/snapback]
aku ni newbie yang berpengetahuan..
sendiri mau pikirla
sama mcm adik beradik..
kalo abang sulung banyak berkorban untuk keluarga..
mak bapak sayang die lebih x?
sama mcm konsep melayu-cina


Saya setujuh apa yang Polisrichard cakap tuh, Cina Malaysia dan Melayu sekarang boleh diumpamakan adik-beradik... Sebab itu la, Rakyat Malaysia ini hidup harmoni walaupun kedua-dua pihak ini adanya yang tidak puas hati kan...

Tapi kan... saya rasa Polisrichard ni macam ada kurang pengetahuan sikit dalam "Family Education" la... embarassedlaugh.gif
MutiaraTimur
QUOTE(1+1 @ Sep 21 2007, 12:44 AM) [snapback]3221030[/snapback]
Because we constantly see stupid and racist comments from non Malays such as you, it will only strenghthen our will to keep the system, maybe forever. What are you gonna do? Rioting? Try that if you want the best of FRU in your face. Leave Malaysia, well, I am glad if you do that. Don't say that Malaysia or Malay will not survive. The percentage of Chinese in Malaysia is dropping every year, from high 45% to now 25%, but Malaysian economy keep growing. We don't care if you want to take your mom and pop business somewhere else. There are a lot of bumis, especially those from Kelantan who can fill up the spot.


Don't worried my fren, the Chinese will never create rioting nowaday because most of the Chinese are educated...Even the word of "Amuk" only can got in the Bahasa Melayu... embarassedlaugh.gif

Impossible all the Chinese will leave Malaysia, because they are born at here..They love Malaysia very much... Malays will survive if no Chinese in Malaysia, but at least the life is not much better like today embarassedlaugh.gif Don't you know that 23% of the Chinese population grasp 40% of Nasional Economic? Malaysia economic keep growing because of the 70% are invested by the Oversea Chinese in our Country.. Search it if you dont believe...Why the Oversea Chinese not interested invest in Indonesia???

"We don't care if you want to take your mom and pop business somewhere else." - Please wake up! Don't you think there are effected?? What the effect if all the Malaysia Chinese sold out their share of business in whole Malaysia to the American and leave Malaysia??? I afraid that thw Malays will miss the Chinese better return back as normal... embarassedlaugh.gif

"There are a lot of bumis, especially those from Kelantan who can fill up the spot." - The Chineses have accepted the implementation of NEP for 20 years, where due dated on year 1990 because the Chineses understood that the Bumi really needed help. But, do you think it efficiency to the Bumi?? The Nosional econamic chart show 40% is for the Chinese in whole Malaysia, 18% is for the Malay *but this is the Malay who are membered by UMNO only*... where else the other Malays??? I dont think that the Malays nowaday who have stay together with Chinese Malaysia are still stupid like the Indon or the Malays during the British Colonise?? took 20 years only for achieving 18% in equity?? One the other hand, the Malays should change thiers mentality and attitude...
etano
The NEP only benefits a small group of the rich and influential ( mostly Malays but there are Chinese and Indians too ). NEP's objective is to "assist" the Malays but unfortunately it has failed to achieved it's objective. Ordinary Malays do not benifit much from the policy. Certain parties are just using NEP as an excuse to enrich themselves
polisrichard
QUOTE(MutiaraTimur @ Sep 27 2007, 08:26 AM) [snapback]3232747[/snapback]
Tapi kan... saya rasa Polisrichard ni macam ada kurang pengetahuan sikit dalam "Family Education" la... embarassedlaugh.gif


Maybe.. embarassedlaugh.gif

Tp aku rasela, dalam 8-9 tahun lagi, keistimewaan terhadap org Melayu akan dilonggarkan,
persaingan akan jadi lebih terbuka dan adil,
dari segi education kite sendiri dah nampak kelonggaran tu..
hampir semua IPTA terima kemasukkan pelajar cina yang meningkat..kecuali UITM
so,
sama2 kita bersatu majukan negara kita,
sama2 kita pertahankan negara kita,
tak payah gaduh2
kita dah macam adik-beradik..keje kat ofis sama2
pastu pegi minum kat mamak stall sama2
tgk bola sama2
harmoni kn.. beerchug.gif


HangPC2
QUOTE(polisrichard @ Sep 27 2007, 09:49 AM) [snapback]3232843[/snapback]
Maybe.. embarassedlaugh.gif

Tp aku rasela, dalam 8-9 tahun lagi, keistimewaan terhadap org Melayu akan dilonggarkan,
persaingan akan jadi lebih terbuka dan adil,
dari segi education kite sendiri dah nampak kelonggaran tu..
hampir semua IPTA terima kemasukkan pelajar cina yang meningkat..kecuali UITM
so,
sama2 kita bersatu majukan negara kita,
sama2 kita pertahankan negara kita,
tak payah gaduh2
kita dah macam adik-beradik..keje kat ofis sama2
pastu pegi minum kat mamak stall sama2
tgk bola sama2
harmoni kn.. beerchug.gif


Macam itulah.... laugh.gif
MutiaraTimur
QUOTE(polisrichard @ Sep 27 2007, 09:49 AM) [snapback]3232843[/snapback]
Maybe.. embarassedlaugh.gif

Tp aku rasela, dalam 8-9 tahun lagi, keistimewaan terhadap org Melayu akan dilonggarkan,
persaingan akan jadi lebih terbuka dan adil,
dari segi education kite sendiri dah nampak kelonggaran tu..
hampir semua IPTA terima kemasukkan pelajar cina yang meningkat..kecuali UITM
so,
sama2 kita bersatu majukan negara kita,
sama2 kita pertahankan negara kita,
tak payah gaduh2
kita dah macam adik-beradik..keje kat ofis sama2
pastu pegi minum kat mamak stall sama2
tgk bola sama2
harmoni kn.. beerchug.gif


Walaupun saya bukan orang Melayu, saya berpendapat keistimewaan terhadap org Melayu perlu dimansuhkan tetapi tidak kepada Ketuanan Melayu. Keistimewaan Melayu dan Ketuanan Melayu ada perkara yang amat beza bagi saya. Kita harus mempertahankan Ketuanan Melayu iaitu Hak-Hak Keistimewaan Raja-Raja Melayu. Ini amat perlu kekalkan sebab kewujudan Raja-Raja Melayu berkhidmat untuk rakyat dan masyarakat adalah skian kuno lagi di Malaysia, kita harus hormat mereka, bersyukur dan menghargai mereka. Mereka juaga adalah golongan pemimpin yang tertua di Malaysia. Selain itu, mereka merupakan satu pihak pengkritik dan pemerhatian kerajaan yang bebas daripada politik. Raja-Raja Melayu tidak boleh masuk campur politik tapi mereka boleh menjadi pemerhati politik. Dengan itu, sesiapa pun boleh jadi ketua kerajaan, mahupun kaum minority... Saya rasa kerajaan akan sentiasa dalam was-was kerana ada satu pihak berkuasa yang bukan politik akan sentiasa memperhatikan gerak-geri mereka. Ini pandangan peribadi saya la...Daulat Tuanku! Daulat Tuanku! biggthumpup.gif

Setahu saya sentimen benci-membenci antara dua adik-beradik tiri ini (Melayu dan Cina) timbul pada waktu jajahan orang-orang Jepun di mana orang-orang Jepun yang sememang Anti-Cina. Orang Cina Malaysia berasa dendam pabila orang-orang Melayu hanya turut berkompromi orang Jepun dan berkhidmat dengan orang Jepun di mana orang-orang Cina ditindas dan diseksa. Selain itu, dendam turut bertambah dalam apabila timbulnya isu 13 Mei.... Sampai sekarang la... Kalo rusuhan kaum dikatakan akan berlaku, ini adalah tidak mungkin la... di Pantai Barat Semenanjung, Sabah dan Sarawak. sebab orang Cina pun tidak mahu rugi dalam business mereka dan Melayu pula tidak mahu hidup mereka menjadi kurang selesa. Kalau bergaduh pun sekadar bertengkar saja. Kita semua tinggal bersama begitu lama, budaya kedua-dua pihak pun... semua paham malah ada yang diserap....
swingdoctor
Malaysia for all Malaysians. Malays will always have prevelidges that non Malays will not enjoy, ie Sultans and Prime Minister. But non Malays are Malaysians as well and its encouraging to see voices of unity and of reason.
xalili02
[quote name='MutiaraTimur' date='Sep 26 2007, 07:55 PM' post='3232768']

You really think Malays are uneducated and hopeless, do you?

"Impossible all the Chinese will leave Malaysia, because they are born at here..They love Malaysia very much... Malays will survive if no Chinese in Malaysia, but at least the life is not much better like today embarassedlaugh.gif"

And how would u quantify tht?

"What the effect if all the Malaysia Chinese sold out their share of business in whole Malaysia to the American and leave Malaysia???"
Can't resist to laugh. Foreigners are coming here for investment opportunities yet you r calling your chinese to divest? Ayo yoo..Actually Malaysia is a safe heaven for chinese to make money and making use of Malay "stupidity" Do you think they dare to migrate and gamble their lives elsewhere? Cakap tu senangla..

"Selling their shares/equities to American?"

So, what make the different? in fact, Americans are paying better salaries compared to chinese employers!! Accept the fact. Will FIC allow that? Do you realise that in reality, chinese employers are paying higher salaries to their chinese employees compare to malay employees? Go to ground and check especially to SME. Yet malay employers are paying equal pays to all employees regardless their races? No theoritical answer please. I'm in the position to tell you based on what I'm doing now for living?

"The Nosional econamic chart show 40% is for the Chinese in whole Malaysia, 18% is for the Malay".

Remember, Malay started with "0%" and only achieved 18% after about 40 years of NEP. Why so slow meh? Bcuz, chinese are so dominant and simply refused to allow non chinese competitors. The word sharing never exist in their dictionary. Chinese control construction sector, hardware, manufacturing, wholesaling, trading and many more sectors. They are just playing monopoly games. Crap?!! No..Let's pick up retail sector as an example. Who is the majority retailer? Yes chinese. And why are they still the majority after establishment of NEP? Bcuz of their long established business networkings and they still want to maintain the status quo. Remember, malays started with 0% business networking and how would you expect the Malay can survive without the government's help to form a basic business networking? Do you know that a newly started Malay retailer has to buy stocks in cash from their chinese wholesalers compare to credit terms of 90 to 120 days given to a newly start up chinese retailer? Why double standard or am I talking crap here? Who do you think can survive, let say both of them have no sufficient capital to start business?. Sure the malay will die standing la..So this is the function for NEP. You dont like NEP simply because you and chinese are so greedy and dont want malays to become competitors.

"One the other hand, the Malays should change thiers mentality and attitude..." No no. I would say chinese should change their mentality before they can call to abolish NEP.

Government's contracts all for bumis (not only malay)!. Do you really think so?. Accept the fact that under the policy, Main contractor and certain "nominated contractor" must be bumis. But what about subcontractors, suppliers etc etc. Is there any restriction imposed by the government? Hell no. And why the government's projects are always pricing higher than privates'? Bcuz, government knows that the money are for bumi and non bumi!! and everybody can share the benefits. The knew that bumi companies do not have business networking to get supplies as suppliers are mostly chines. Imaging if no NEP, definitely malays will be still lacking behind in all aspects and remain as farmers and fishermen and armies and polices and customs. All chinese subcontractors may become main contractors and subcontractors easily because they have capitals and Malaysian economy remains 100% controlled by chinese as though in 60s. And majority of malays can only afford to buy Proton cars and stay in low medium cost houses the most.

I sense that you really want the chinese to monopoly everything and dont want to share even a slice of cake to malay particularly. Greedy.

And hi, I'm a newbie here.

xalili02
QUOTE(etano @ Sep 26 2007, 08:33 PM) [snapback]3232815[/snapback]
The NEP only benefits a small group of the rich and influential ( mostly Malays but there are Chinese and Indians too ). NEP's objective is to "assist" the Malays but unfortunately it has failed to achieved it's objective. Ordinary Malays do not benifit much from the policy. Certain parties are just using NEP as an excuse to enrich themselves


I agree with you. This happened because the present government is too long in power. Need to reform so that the newly appointed government can do a thorough audit. Personally I still believe NEP is good if not the best mechanism to create a balance in our social economy so that yang kaya making kaya yang miskin jadi papa.
MutiaraTimur
[You really think Malays are uneducated and hopeless, do you?]
I never think that the Malays are uneducated and hopeless, am I? Kalo Melayu yang dulu mungkin lah agaknya... embarassedlaugh.gif But the Malays exspecially from Kelantan dan Terengganu are emosional, did everything without considering.

["Impossible all the Chinese will leave Malaysia, because they are born at here..They love Malaysia very much... Malays will survive if no Chinese in Malaysia, but at least the life is not much better like today embarassedlaugh.gif"
And how would u quantify tht?]
well, you knew the answer why you ask me the question again? embarassedlaugh.gif

[What the effect if all the Malaysia Chinese sold out their share of business in whole Malaysia to the American and leave Malaysia???"
Can't resist to laugh. Foreigners are coming here for investment opportunities yet you r calling your chinese to divest? Ayo yoo..Actually Malaysia is a safe heaven for chinese to make money and making use of Malay "stupidity" Do you think they dare to migrate and gamble their lives elsewhere? Cakap tu senangla..]
Chinese is every where, and even how the place so worst they still can survive. Why they never think to return to China? Because they hav born and stay there for more decades, of course there make the land like thier mother land.Then, I dont heard the Chinses ever force the Malays to sell the land with lower price?? they deal between of them with the fairness purchase agreement. UMNO sendri yang tipu orang Melayu yang miskin. UMNO on-self make the poor Malays stupidity for thier own interest.

Examaple: if the chinese deal with the poor Malays in purchase of land, mostly the Chinese will said:"Betul ka ini harga kamu mahu, ok, kita jumpa di lawyer firm untuk sign purchase agreement. Saya bayar yang kamu mahu dan kamu bagi geran itu. saya tidak mahu nanti banyak cakap".

But if the UMNO member deal, even they know the land have value, they still wanna chit the poor Malays, mostly they will said:"Kurang la harga tuh, kita kan orang Melayu...Orang Melayu tolong orang Melayu bha.." then the poor malay agreed to sell the land to UMNO, then the UMNO took the land sold the higher price to the Chinese again...

In that case, who make the malay stupidity to make Money huh??? This is the real fact happen now.... bangun la, terima kritikan, tiada kritikan maka tiada kemajuan (No critic No improvement as Chinese always said) embarassedlaugh.gif


[Selling their shares/equities to American?"
So, what make the different? in fact, Americans are paying better salaries compared to chinese employers!! Accept the fact. Will FIC allow that? Do you realise that in reality, chinese employers are paying higher salaries to their chinese employees compare to malay employees? Go to ground and check especially to SME. Yet malay employers are paying equal pays to all employees regardless their races? No theoritical answer please. I'm in the position to tell you based on what I'm doing now for living?
This is the Malays metality, ingat mahu senang saja... ]

No all chineses were paying higher salaries and No all malays were paying the lower salaries. All are depend on their own standard of working reputation. Ini la mental Melayu, ingat mahu senang tapi gaji besar. We cannot deny mostly the Chinses have better standard of working reputation than Malays. kalau tak percaya, pergi buat kajian stastitik sendiri.... dalam satu tahun, boleh dikatakan habis MC diambil... No all Malays la, but mostly... embarassedlaugh.gif Do the research in HR! I did made compare.

Concerning the Americans are paying better compared to Chinse employers, well...you wanna the tragedy of imperialism happen again in Malaysia?? Ini la metality orang Melayu, asal dapat terima duit banyak, semua ok saja... embarassedlaugh.gif


[The Nosional econamic chart show 40% is for the Chinese in whole Malaysia, 18% is for the Malay".
Remember, Malay started with "0%" and only achieved 18% after about 40 years of NEP. Why so slow meh? Bcuz, chinese are so dominant and simply refused to allow non chinese competitors. The word sharing never exist in their dictionary. Chinese control construction sector, hardware, manufacturing, wholesaling, trading and many more sectors. They are just playing monopoly games. Crap?!! No..Let's pick up retail sector as an example. Who is the majority retailer? Yes chinese. And why are they still the majority after establishment of NEP? Bcuz of their long established business networkings and they still want to maintain the status quo. Remember, malays started with 0% business networking and how would you expect the Malay can survive without the government's help to form a basic business networking? Do you know that a newly started Malay retailer has to buy stocks in cash from their chinese wholesalers compare to credit terms of 90 to 120 days given to a newly start up chinese retailer? Why double standard or am I talking crap here? Who do you think can survive, let say both of them have no sufficient capital to start business?. Sure the malay will die standing la..So this is the function for NEP. You dont like NEP simply because you and chinese are so greedy and dont want malays to become competitors.]

Kawan, the Chinese come to Malaya during the British colonial without any properties. They only bring some clothes and their balls to work as lobour in Malaya. They are very poor, and even they difficult wanna buy a shoes. The Malays have everything, land,house, eduaction... Than, you Malays still blame the successful of Chinese nowaday?? Even MCA and MIC have agreed to implement NEP for the Malays under 20 years. Why it still no efficiency? Tell me how the Chinese control the NEP?? Even the NEP is goal for protecting the UMNO interest and resize the population the Chinese in Malaysia.

[One the other hand, the Malays should change thiers mentality and attitude..." No no. I would say chinese should change their mentality before they can call to abolish NEP.
Government's contracts all for bumis (not only malay)!. Do you really think so?. Accept the fact that under the policy, Main contractor and certain "nominated contractor" must be bumis. But what about subcontractors, suppliers etc etc. Is there any restriction imposed by the government? Hell no. And why the government's projects are always pricing higher than privates'? Bcuz, government knows that the money are for bumi and non bumi!! and everybody can share the benefits. The knew that bumi companies do not have business networking to get supplies as suppliers are mostly chines. Imaging if no NEP, definitely malays will be still lacking behind in all aspects and remain as farmers and fishermen and armies and polices and customs. All chinese subcontractors may become main contractors and subcontractors easily because they have capitals and Malaysian economy remains 100% controlled by chinese as though in 60s. And majority of malays can only afford to buy Proton cars and stay in low medium cost houses the most.
I sense that you really want the chinese to monopoly everything and dont want to share even a slice of cake to malay particularly. Greedy.]

Kawan, on the 60s, the Chinese did agree and support for the implementation of NEP for 20 years which due date on year 1990. Tetapi tempoh sudah tamat, siapa yang Tamak??

"majority of malays can only afford to buy Proton cars and stay in low medium cost houses the most." The Malays even dont know how to budget their life. If you are not able to support for more children, then why you wanna born more children?? If you are not able to support more wife, then why you wanna married so many wife? this is only the small pieces of reall fact i gave.

"I sense that you really want the chinese to monopoly everything and dont want to share even a slice of cake to malay particularly." the Malays nowaday is not same like the pass sleeping Malays. Most of them are educated but the mentality still needed to change. embarassedlaugh.gif I never think that the Chinses to monopoly everything but i just needed there are the fairness competitor...

Dulu, kalau nampak kereta Benz, semua orang agak ini pasti kepunyaan orang Cina. Tapi sekarang, dapat ka kamu ramal yang kereta Benz nie semua orang cina yang pakai saja??

Whatever la, But the NEP soonly will be like the Maya Cilivization. I dont wanna talk about it here, only wait and see... embarassedlaugh.gif


Kawan, jangan marah ya, anggap la ini pandangan peribadi saya...

VAMAN
Malaysians don't do racist crimes, they do religious crimes. icon_neutral.gif
Protoculture
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Malaysians don't do racist crimes, they do religious crimes.


Here comes the troll.

TROLL ALERT!!!!
Protoculture
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I never think that the Malays are uneducated and hopeless, am I? Kalo Melayu yang dulu mungkin lah agaknya... But the Malays exspecially from Kelantan dan Terengganu are emosional, did everything without considering.


Malays from Kelantan & Terengganu are the most enterprising. These East-Coast Malays have being known to migrate overseas for greener pastures.

Malays nowadays are educated lot, but still exploited emotionally by the politicians. The same can be said of non-Malays too.

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Chinese is every where, and even how the place so worst they still can survive. Why they never think to return to China? Because they hav born and stay there for more decades, of course there make the land like thier mother land.Then, I dont heard the Chinses ever force the Malays to sell the land with lower price?? they deal between of them with the fairness purchase agreement. UMNO sendri yang tipu orang Melayu yang miskin. UMNO on-self make the poor Malays stupidity for thier own interest.


Chinese may be everywhere, but ONLY IN MALAYSIA, the minority Chinese get to keep their cultural identities. Minus Singapore, Taiwan & China PRC, ..... Malaysia, despite it flaws served the local Chinese communities with vibrant employment & business environment for the past 50 years. Look at private sector, who controlled 'em?

Despite the touted Chinese 'intelligent' - still the majority of MY Chinese voted MCA, UMNO's political partner. That means affluent, rich, middle income, educated Chinese also so stupid voting for MCA.

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Kawan, the Chinese come to Malaya during the British colonial without any properties. They only bring some clothes and their balls to work as lobour in Malaya. They are very poor, and even they difficult wanna buy a shoes. The Malays have everything, land,house, eduaction... Than, you Malays still blame the successful of Chinese nowaday?? Even MCA and MIC have agreed to implement NEP for the Malays under 20 years. Why it still no efficiency? Tell me how the Chinese control the NEP?? Even the NEP is goal for protecting the UMNO interest and resize the population the Chinese in Malaysia.


Please, a significant number of Chinese immigrants were also towkays searching for better life outside decaying China. I don't blame Chinese successful stories in Malaysia.

In fact, I dare admit that NEP indirectly push Chinese to compete & overcome challenges thrown at them & proving to be successful despite limitations from NEP. Malaysian Chinese in turn become shrewd businessmen ... & NEP hardly put a dent to Chinese supremacy in Malaysian private sectors.

NEP resizing Chinese population .... that's a bullcrap. The reason why Chinese population are decreasing mostly contributed to the current lifestyle where most Chinese families tend to produce 2 offspring at most. The same trend also occurred amongst affluent Malays, while current new Malay families have currently limiting their offsprings up to 3 - 4 kids at most. As modern societies progresses further, they will produced less offsprings, which is happening at Japan, Europe, Korea, US .... & our closest neighbour, SG.

QUOTE
Kawan, on the 60s, the Chinese did agree and support for the implementation of NEP for 20 years which due date on year 1990. Tetapi tempoh sudah tamat, siapa yang Tamak??


UMNO & its lackeys. Certain number of Chinese magnates too whose business interests lies with UMNO-Malays technocrates.

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Whatever la, But the NEP soonly will be like the Maya Cilivization.


Well, by 2020, NEP will be history (hopefully sooner). But the struggle to enriching Bumiputras will go on with MARA. Now, MARA is definitely & will be BUMIPUTRA only institution caters to Bumi empowerment.

As long as the post-NEP Chinese & Indians don't become too tamak with newfound opportunities post NEP period & start to even want rights from MARA, that's fine with me.
sadiq
by swapping 'Malaysia' with 'PRC', 'Malay' with 'Han Chinese' and 'Chinese' with any ethnic minority in China, the list seem to remain valid...
swingdoctor
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Sep 28 2007, 03:14 AM) [snapback]3235239[/snapback]
Malays from Kelantan & Terengganu are the most enterprising. These East-Coast Malays have being known to migrate overseas for greener pastures.

Malays nowadays are educated lot, but still exploited emotionally by the politicians. The same can be said of non-Malays too.
Chinese may be everywhere, but ONLY IN MALAYSIA, the minority Chinese get to keep their cultural identities. Minus Singapore, Taiwan & China PRC, ..... Malaysia, despite it flaws served the local Chinese communities with vibrant employment & business environment for the past 50 years. Look at private sector, who controlled 'em?

Despite the touted Chinese 'intelligent' - still the majority of MY Chinese voted MCA, UMNO's political partner. That means affluent, rich, middle income, educated Chinese also so stupid voting for MCA.
Please, a significant number of Chinese immigrants were also towkays searching for better life outside decaying China. I don't blame Chinese successful stories in Malaysia.

In fact, I dare admit that NEP indirectly push Chinese to compete & overcome challenges thrown at them & proving to be successful despite limitations from NEP. Malaysian Chinese in turn become shrewd businessmen ... & NEP hardly put a dent to Chinese supremacy in Malaysian private sectors.

NEP resizing Chinese population .... that's a bullcrap. The reason why Chinese population are decreasing mostly contributed to the current lifestyle where most Chinese families tend to produce 2 offspring at most. The same trend also occurred amongst affluent Malays, while current new Malay families have currently limiting their offsprings up to 3 - 4 kids at most. As modern societies progresses further, they will produced less offsprings, which is happening at Japan, Europe, Korea, US .... & our closest neighbour, SG.
UMNO & its lackeys. Certain number of Chinese magnates too whose business interests lies with UMNO-Malays technocrates.
Well, by 2020, NEP will be history (hopefully sooner). But the struggle to enriching Bumiputras will go on with MARA. Now, MARA is definitely & will be BUMIPUTRA only institution caters to Bumi empowerment.

As long as the post-NEP Chinese & Indians don't become too tamak with newfound opportunities post NEP period & start to even want rights from MARA, that's fine with me.

With affluence usually comes with reduced fertility so this is one of the reasons why the percentage population of Chinese in Malaysia is reducing. I personally believe migration is also a significant contributing factor. I've tried to look but I can't find statistics on Chinese migration out of Malaysia.

In Australia, the Chinese also keep their cultural identity, it is slightly different from the Chinese cultural identity in Malaysia because the biggest subgroup in Australia is Vietnamese, Chinese people from many countries make up the Chinese population in Australia. I assume the same would be true in the US, UK and Canada.
fadlee
QUOTE(swingdoctor @ Sep 28 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]3235339[/snapback]
With affluence usually comes with reduced fertility so this is one of the reasons why the percentage population of Chinese in Malaysia is reducing. I personally believe migration is also a significant contributing factor. I've tried to look but I can't find statistics on Chinese migration out of Malaysia.

In Australia, the Chinese also keep their cultural identity, it is slightly different from the Chinese cultural identity in Malaysia because the biggest subgroup in Australia is Vietnamese, Chinese people from many countries make up the Chinese population in Australia. I assume the same would be true in the US, UK and Canada.


if im not mistaken the statistic to those who migrate is about more than 100,000 for malays and about 20,000 something for chinese.
(i cant find the source of the statistic.. forgot already which article ive read)
swingdoctor
QUOTE(fadlee @ Sep 29 2007, 12:41 AM) [snapback]3237191[/snapback]
if im not mistaken the statistic to those who migrate is about more than 100,000 for malays and about 20,000 something for chinese.
(i cant find the source of the statistic.. forgot already which article ive read)

Definitely not true. In Singapore alone I'm sure there's tens of thousands of Chinese Malaysians with Singapore PR. You can't go anywhere in Singapore without bumping into a Chinese Malaysian on Singapore PR. I've only met 1 Malay Malaysian who has mograted away from Malaysia.

I think maybe you've got the figures the other way around.
xalili02
QUOTE(MutiaraTimur @ Sep 27 2007, 09:24 PM) [snapback]3234760[/snapback]
Then, I dont heard the Chinses ever force the Malays to sell the land with lower price?? they deal between of them with the fairness purchase agreement. UMNO sendri yang tipu orang Melayu yang miskin. UMNO on-self make the poor Malays stupidity for thier own interest.

Kawan, jangan marah ya, anggap la ini pandangan peribadi saya...


You didn't hear any chinese ever forced the Malays to sell land with lower price. Betul tu, sebab secara ekonomi, melayu tidaklah terlalu desperate and always have many choices. Mungkin juga tanah tu Malay Reservation Land status, jadi tak boleh pindak milik ke non Malay terutama di Peninsular. For yr info, under the National Land Code, all lands are belong to government and Malay Reservation Land can not be transferred to non Malay. Federal government or even Federal Court do not have power over the states land because all land are belonged to the sultans and Menteri Besars represent the sultans. Jadi tak timbul masalah chinese to force malay to sell land.

UMNO tipu orang melayu tu mungkin ada kebenarannya and I have to agree with u.

I respect your pandangan peribadi and I'm just giving my counter opinions.

MutiaraTimur
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Sep 28 2007, 04:14 PM) [snapback]3235239[/snapback]
Malays from Kelantan & Terengganu are the most enterprising. These East-Coast Malays have being known to migrate overseas for greener pastures. Malays from Kelatan & Terengganu seen the most enterprising because they are the poorest, then they have help by the Mara. These East-Cost Malays have migrate to oversea because they are more advance than them... Orang-orang kelantan dan Terengganu baru saja lari 50 batu, tetapi orang-orang pantai barat sudah lari 100 batu.. embarassedlaugh.gif

Malays nowadays are educated lot, but still exploited emotionally by the politicians. The same can be said of non-Malays too.Saya setujuh
Chinese may be everywhere, but ONLY IN MALAYSIA, the minority Chinese get to keep their cultural identities. Minus Singapore, Taiwan & China PRC, ..... Malaysia, despite it flaws served the local Chinese communities with vibrant employment & business environment for the past 50 years. Look at private sector, who controlled 'em? Not only the minority Chinese in Malaysia get to keep their culture identities, its everywhere Chinese did so... Because Chinese are stronger practice in their own culture and tradition; even they have convert to other religion, they still strengthen with their culture and some tradition believes. Even the Jews cannot deny that their people in KaiFeng, China also forgot their own language, some cultures and some traditions; All of them have influence by the Chinese Culture and tradition. Check it…kawan! That’s why I want to write a book (Chinese Version first) title:” Jews in the west, Chinese in the East” embarassedlaugh.gif

“Look at private sector, who controlled 'em?” – Siapa yang cepat, dia dapat…Siapa yang pandai, dia naik la… embarassedlaugh.gif Everyone also can do it so, all it’s depended to your own capacity….



Despite the touted Chinese 'intelligent' - still the majority of MY Chinese voted MCA, UMNO's political partner. That means affluent, rich, middle income, educated Chinese also so stupid voting for MCA.Cannot deny, May be the MY Chinese don’t have any choice? embarassedlaugh.gif Or MCA is only the organization which is participated to Chinese Community?
Please, a significant number of Chinese immigrants were also towkays searching for better life outside decaying China. I don't blame Chinese successful stories in Malaysia.

In fact, I dare admit that NEP indirectly push Chinese to compete & overcome challenges thrown at them & proving to be successful despite limitations from NEP. Malaysian Chinese in turn become shrewd businessmen ... & NEP hardly put a dent to Chinese supremacy in Malaysian private sectors. I don’t agree about this. embarassedlaugh.gif Please give more detail and constructive facts…

NEP resizing Chinese population .... that's a bullcrap. The reason why Chinese population are decreasing mostly contributed to the current lifestyle where most Chinese families tend to produce 2 offspring at most. The same trend also occurred amongst affluent Malays, while current new Malay families have currently limiting their offsprings up to 3 - 4 kids at most. As modern societies progresses further, they will produced less offsprings, which is happening at Japan, Europe, Korea, US .... & our closest neighbour, SG.But, I am searching for the main root course why they have tend to produce 2 offspring at most? embarassedlaugh.gif What the sense of current lifestyle made them think so??
UMNO & its lackeys. Certain number of Chinese magnates too whose business interests lies with UMNO-Malays technocrates.
Well, by 2020, NEP will be history (hopefully sooner). But the struggle to enriching Bumiputras will go on with MARA. Now, MARA is definitely & will be BUMIPUTRA only institution caters to Bumi empowerment. I agree with this idea, at least the Bumi still have one institution to protect the poor Bumi, We have to make balancing (Natural)...but make sure its only protect the poor Bumi, not for the Datuk-Datuk Bumi... embarassedlaugh.gif

As long as the post-NEP Chinese & Indians don't become too tamak with newfound opportunities post NEP period & start to even want rights from MARA, that's fine with me.Don't worried... Chinese never urgue the MARA, they kno most of them have capacity than MARA... embarassedlaugh.gif What the chinese only ask for the fairness compatative in National economic and University...
MutiaraTimur
Opz..One more thing to porpose... This is Malaysian Talk, why not we just let practise this thread in Bahasa Melayu?

Saya tak suka la kalau ada bukan Malaysian atau pihak yang tak arif dalam isu semasa di Malaysia masuk campur ruang ini... spoil la...sebab buang masa saja nak baca pandangan mereka yang tiada-tiada.. embarassedlaugh.gif saya berharap kita dapat berbincang atau debate dengan orang yang betul (Maksud sa tak kira la dia dari negara luar atau Malaysia ker, asal ada minat ambil tahu isu semasa Malaysia embarassedlaugh.gif )

Tengok tuh, apa yang si "Sadiq" comment tuh??? tak paham? Dia tuh tahu kah barang2 Malaysian? embarassedlaugh.gif

Saya berharap semua kawan-kawan jangan la Hot ya, semua yang saya post di sini hanyala pandangan saya sendiri yang daripada kajian saya sendiri...we share right embarassedlaugh.gif
MutiaraTimur
QUOTE(fadlee @ Sep 29 2007, 01:41 PM) [snapback]3237191[/snapback]
if im not mistaken the statistic to those who migrate is about more than 100,000 for malays and about 20,000 something for chinese.
(i cant find the source of the statistic.. forgot already which article ive read)


Setahu saya macam itu la...
VAMAN
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Sep 28 2007, 01:18 PM) [snapback]3235223[/snapback]
Here comes the troll.

TROLL ALERT!!!!

Hey how it is a troll alert? Isn't this is true that Malaysia discriminates with ethnic and religious minorities? Do I need to recall you about Bhumiputra Laws in your country?
swingdoctor
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Sep 30 2007, 11:37 PM) [snapback]3241207[/snapback]
Hey how it is a troll alert? Isn't this is true that Malaysia discriminates with ethnic and religious minorities? Do I need to recall you about Bhumiputra Laws in your country?

India also has very significant religious issues.
polisrichard
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 1 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]3241207[/snapback]
Hey how it is a troll alert? Isn't this is true that Malaysia discriminates with ethnic and religious minorities? Do I need to recall you about Bhumiputra Laws in your country?

religous discriminates???!!
hello Vaman ..
did u ever see temple and buddhas shrine or even church destroyed by government???
infact..look at batu caves, your god standing tall there..
don't talk rubbish here.. thumbsdown.gif
Malaysia is peacefull and everybody have their right to perform their ritual.. beerchug.gif

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