I have a mate who is Viet and his parents recommend to him to marry a chinese girl when his a little older, with his parents implying that Chinese girls will be more faithful to him while a Viet girl will do the opposite and leave him for a richer guy. I know this is a bad stereotype and doesn't apply to all Viets, but I wanted to know if other Viets have simlar views or is it just this one particular case?

Interesting...I've never heard of Vietnamese parents instructing their children to marry non-Viets before.

i've never heard that before, the only thing i heard, is from my parents aunts and uncles, they say, to marry either only vietnamese or chinese girls. I never asked why... i should...

it would be tough to land a chinese girl

LOL my grandma instructed me to marry a Malay. But yeah I'm a product of Vietnamese-Chinese fusion so go for it.

NQSH arent u suposse to marry a muslem?

What's the difference? Ethnic Malays, aka Bumiputras are like 99% Muslim.

Oh yeah i forgot hehe so how its like to be a Vietnamese muslem? U dont eat pork right?

I'm just like any other Vietnamese except that I cannot eat pork. That means no Pho in restaurants because the soup is often made with pig bones, no roast duck because they're made alongside the roast pigs, and yeah if anything suspected that pork might have contaminated the food than I'm kept out of bound. We're not meant to drink alcohol (I do), pray (I only do on Fridays) and yeah basically I've broken alot of rules. Damn I'm going to hell LOL

There is a Malaysian-Indonesian Mosque on Nam Ky Khoi Nghia in Saigon, the place where I was born. There are also many other Mosques around Saigon. There's a really nice recently built blue Mosque on the way to Cho Lon.

But yeah you'll find that most Muslims in Vietnam happens to be of Cham descent. My great grandma was. My grandpa was a Malay who went to Vietnam in the 1950s to do business and he met my grandma. The rest is history.

I think your mate's father has some issues.

Hey NQSH - what is the significance of not eating pork?

I know in Hinduism (correct me if I'm wrong) that cattle is not eaten because of its symbolism for a Hindu diety.

What is the situation in Muslem?

Eating pork is the ultimate sin in Islam. Here's an article that best explains your query:

For Muslims the notion of Faith is primarily associated with the concept of Knowledge. It is interesting to note, that in Arabic, the word “faith” (“iman”) is a derivative of the root with the meaning of “to safeguard”) Consequently, in order to achieve “peace and safety in God”, a believer should rigorously follow the Divine laws and commandments.
Both human experience and scientific data have confirmed the commandments concerning healthcare issues, found in the Holy Scriptures. The prohibition of pork consumption is an example of such a commandment.

“Oh ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good. If there is any restriction on you from Allah, subhaana wa ta´aala, that is – do not eat the dead animals (Maytatah), avoid the blood and the flesh of swine (pork), and do not eat any such thing on which someone´s else name has been pronounced except the name of Allah, subhaana wa ta´aala. Yet, if someone is in the situation of helplessness and he/she eats any of these things without that he/she has the intention to break the Law or exceeds the limits of necessity, then there is no sin on him/her, Allah, subhaana wa ta´aala, is Oft-Forgiving and Loving” (The Holy Quran, II: 172, 173).

A similar commandment may be found in the Bible:

“You shall not eat any abominable things <…> And the pig, because it has a cloven hoof but does not chew the cud, you shall regard as unclean. You shall not eat their flesh or even touch their dead carcasses” (Deuteronomy, XIV: 8).

The medical aspects of the prohibition

To abstain from consuming pork means to care about one’s health. The omnivorous pig, being by far the most slovenly and greedy domestic animal, devours virtually anything, including human excrement and is a breeding ground for various malignant microbes and parasites. Consumption of pork may result in many serious diseases. We are safe to assume that one of the main reasons behind the prohibition of pork consumption was the spread of trichinosis, - a disease caused by trichinella spiralis, a parasitic roundworm.

Trichinosis is caused by eating infected raw or insufficiently cooked pork, in which the immature parasite is encysted. When such a piece of meat is eaten, the encysted embryos are set free in the intestines, and develop into full-grown trichinae. From each pair of these, thousands of new embryos may arise in the course of several weeks. As soon as this new generation of embryos is produced, they make their way into the wall of the bowel, and thence wander through the circulation system, finally depositing themselves between the fibers of the voluntary muscles, where they become encysted. The first symptoms develop in the course of two weeks after the infection. The disease is characterized by fever and severe pain in the limbs and muscles, oedema of the soft tissues, and eosinophilia in the blood. The infection may result in severe damage to the nervous system (in the form of encephalitis), cardiac muscle (miocarditis), as well as other complications.

Despite the therapeutic advances, contemporary medicine does not provide an effective cure for trichinosis. The only efficient protection, therefore, is based on prevention, or giving up eating pork. Although the meat is subject to thorough inspection in slaughter-houses, as well as by the Sanitary Inspection, this procedure does not give a one hundred percent guarantee, as was clearly shown by the recent outbreak in Moscow.

The list of the microbes and parasites found in pork is vast. It should be emphasized that many of these diseases as yet remain incurable.

Taenia Solium (tapeworm). The taeniasis is caused by the brain’s infestation by the larvae form of the pork tapeworm, the gastrointestinal parasite, and may constitute up to 1.3 percent of the intracranial volume. The parasite’s onchosphere travels through the mucous membranes of the blood vessels into the portal circulatory system, and is thence transported throughout the body, infecting various internal organs, as well as the brain. The course of the disease is remittent and, symptomatically, is characterized by the presence of several niduses. The infestation may often be manifested in the development of the epileptic syndrome, meningism and the increase of the intracranial pressure.

Roundworms. Ascariasis may result in appendicitis, and some types of jaundice. The infestation is known to cause dyspepsia.

Schitosoma Japonica. This disease is manifested in hemorrhages and anemia. In the case of the ova infesting the brain or bone marrow, the disease may bring about paralysis or death.

Paragonimus Westermani. Infestation may result in haemoptysis, or the coughing up of blood, due to the worm setting in the lungs.

Paciolepsis Buski. This parasite causes dyspepsia, severe diarrhea and general edema.

Clonorchis Sinensis. Infestation by this parasite may be manifested in some types of jaundice.

Metastrongylus Apri may cause bronchitis or the inflammation of the lungs’ tissue.

Gigantorinchus Gigas causes anemia and dyspepsia.

Balantidium Coli is known to cause acute dysentery, resulting in the severe emaciation.

Bacterial diseases

Tuberculosis.

Fusiformis Necrophulus, which causes a serious disease of the lower limbs.
Salmonella Cholera Suis (cholera)
Brucellosis, - the disease results in the irreversible loss of the victim’s capabilities.
Erysipelas, or St. Anthony’s fire.
Viral infections

Small pox.
Japanese encephalitis (B-type).
Influenza.
Protozoan infections
Toxoplasma Goundii. This microorganism causes a very serious disease of toxoplasmosis. In the congenital form the unborn child is infected by the mother. Toxoplasmosis often results in the sudden death within several days or weeks after birth. In the case of survival, the infection may result in mental retardation, loss of sight or deafness. The acquired form in adults may manifest itself in chronic fever, marked by liver and spleen malfunction, pneumonia, and hydrocephalus. This disease may also affect sight and hearing.
Those who consume pork are more prone to obesity due to the high percentage of fat in pork. In this group, blood cholesterol level is frequently higher than normal; pork-eaters are more susceptible to arteriosclerosis, which may result in cardiovascular diseases, malfunction of the brain blood-circulation, vascular pathology of the lower limbs, etc.

Pork is difficult to digest, which may be the cause of many chronic diseases of the digestive system. Ulcerous skin infections are more frequently found within the pork-consuming group. Of great interest is the research into the hydrolysis of pork fat, its deposition in the human body, and the extent of its utilization. There is a theory that animal fat, acquired by the consumption of the herbivorous animals’ meat, undergoes a process of hydrolysis and is thence synthesized anew and deposited in the body as human fat. Pork fat, however, is not subject to hydrolysis and is consequently deposited in the human fat tissue as pork fat. Since the proper utilization of this fat deposit is problematic, in order to produce energy, the body burns up the stock of glucose, which is essential for brain activity. This process brings about a chronic feeling of hunger, which, in turn, results in a vicious circle: although having a substantial fat build-up, the person is constantly consuming additional food without feeling satisfied.


The biblical aspect of the commandment
In spite of the fact that pork consumption was clearly outlawed by the Bible, there are those who insist that the New Testament annuls the prohibition. This assumption still has to find any substantial evidence. No scholar is able to prove that Jesus (let peace be upon him!) repealed this prohibition. On the contrary, he has expressly reinforced it by saying “Do not suppose that I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to complete” (St. Matthew; V: 17). The Book of Acts (X: 10-16) is frequently quoted to support the view that the New Testament allegedly abolishes the taboo on pork. Without evaluating the general context of the excerpt, one could really misunderstand the meaning of the passage. However, the text never states for a fact that St. Peter actually consumed the meat of “unclean” animals or recommended his disciples to do so. In the New Testament, Jesus (let peace be upon him!) likens those who fail to appreciate the Divine Revelation to dogs and pigs: “Do not give dogs what is holy; do not cast your pearls to the swines, they will only trample on them, and turn and tear you to pieces” (St. Matthew; VII: 6).
It is obvious, therefore, that abstinence from consuming pork is one of the conditions, essential for both physical and spiritual personal perfection. Although pork does not contain harmful substances strong enough to kill a person immediately, its potentially lethal poisons build up in the body over time. The Prophet (let peace be upon him!) said: “There are two blessings, which are neglected by many: one’s own health and the spare time, predestined for the deeds that would please the Lord Almighty. Allah is more pleased to see the believer in good health than in weakness and illness”.

Every person should care about his or her health, bearing in mind that it was granted to us by the Almighty.


What Muslims eat
Domestic animals and fowl
The Law of Islam states that the meat of the following domestic animals and fowl is permitted for consumption (and is deemed “Halal”): cattle, goats, sheep, camel, horses, turkeys, chickens, ducks etc. It should be born in mind, however, that the Great Imam Abu Hanif expressed a mild disapproval of eating horsemeat. His opinion was based on the fact that horses were used as transportation during the hostilities. Eating the meat of dogs, cats, donkeys and mules is strictly forbidden (“Haram”).

The procedure of slaughter

The meat of the aforesaid animals and fowl may only become “Halal” (permitted for consumption) after a certain ritual, which involves cutting open the jugular arteries, gullet and wind pipes. The procedure also calls for pronouncing the name of the Almighty (“Bismillahi, Allahu Akbar”). The ritual should be carried out either by Muslims or by other men of the Scripture, that is Christians or Jews, in their right mind.

It is desirable to fulfill the following conditions:

the procedure should be carried out during the daytime;
the animal should be carefully placed on its left side;
when the animal is slaughtered, it should face Qibla.
Wild animals and fowl

It is strictly forbidden to eat the meat of those animals, which have fangs (or tusks) and feed on prey or carrion. These animals include: lions, tigers, wolves, jackals, hyenas, cheetahs, foxes, sables, bears, etc. Eating the meat of the herbivorous animals (e.g. deer, buffaloes, kiangs, hares, antelopes, etc.) is acceptable under the condition that the proper procedures of slaughter are followed. When hunting with firearms, it is essential to bless the animal with the name of the Almighty (“Bismillahi, Allahu Akbar”) simultaneously with pulling the trigger. If the game is only wounded, the hunter should slaughter in by hand.

It is acceptable to eat the meat of most wild fowl, except for the scavengers and birds of prey, such as falcons, hawks, owls, crows, vultures, eagles, etc.

Fish and seafood

The majority of Islamic scholars assume that fish and other sea-animals should be considered “Halal”, and the fulfillment of the standard slaughter rituals is unnecessary. When asked if the use of saltwater is acceptable for the ritual ablution, the Prophet said: “The waters of the sea are pure, and whatever dies in it, is allowed”.

The animal, which cannot be placed within one of the aforesaid groups, should be considered “Halal”, provided that there are no specific instructions to do otherwise.

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So we are not allowed to eat pork along with non-Halal food (Not killed the Islamic way). But being in a western country and far from a Muslim community, my family has to forgo eating Halal food. In the instance of special feasts and dinners, we would go to a farm and purchase a goat/sheep or chickens/ducks and kill them the Islamic way (say prayers before killing them). When I was in Vietnam 4 months ago for Tet, my grandma sacrificed a goat to celebrate me going to Uni. LOL it was a big feast.

AHHHH!!!!! - your grandma killed it........poor animal!

Anyways thanks for the reply - I skipped the medical benefits because I'm a vegetarian and know all about the badness of meat :-D

I noticed you quoted the Bible - do you use the same Bible as Christians because you mentioned Jesus and Saint Mathews and a few other names I noticed?

Abraham, the founder of Judaism is in fact known as Ibrahim and he is our first prophet. Jesus is also a prophet with the name Yusuf and Moses is Musa. My Muslim name is Idris, which is also the name of a prophet famed for intelligence and strength.

Before the creation of Islam, our prophet, Mohammad studied Judaism and Christianity deeply and often discussed with the scholars from both faiths. It should be noted that Islam was the most tolerant religion towards the Jews and Judaism up until the mid 1800's. Muslims weren't the first people to acquire for the taste of Jewish blood, it was the Christians. The Crusades in the 1000's killed many Muslims and Jews. The current situation regarding animosity between Jews and Muslims is just sad. Christianity vs. Islam is, however a 1000 years conflict.

Its great there are musliems like u NQSH, i saw a program on tv a couple of months ago when muslems ruled Spain, they were quite tolerable af other religions ... But nowadays muslems sickens me becuz they are turning fundamentic... Correct me if im wrong but the Muslem religion is a fundamentic one right?

That is the misconception the western world have about Islam. Islam originated as a tolerant religion. Islam taught Muslims to be good to the "neighbours" and treat people of all faiths equally. Muslim women were among the first people to be given rights. The problem is that the west misunderstood Islam, and Muslims can't get the message through, thus the whole issue just spirals downhill.

As to the cause of terrorism, it's nothing about religion. The west, for its part treated the Arabs badly. At the turn of the 20th Century, the Turks were ruling the Muslims and much of the Middle East. The British and other Colonial powers in WW1 promised the Arabs that they will be granted independence if they rebel against the Ottoman Turks and assist the Allies. When the Turk lost the war, Britain, France, The USA etc reneged on this promise and instead dividded the Middle East into sections for self-interests. This caused great resentment.

Then on the onset of WW2, Hitler persecuted the Jews and the British granted them asylum in Palestinine against the will of the Palestinian people who has been living there for over 1300 years. Israel later became a state, expelling a massive number of Palestinians from their ancestrial lands. The Arabs' defeat at the hands of the Israeli Zionists assisted by Britain and France... then the USA did not help. It just turned the whole Arab world against the west.

In addition, for its self interests of oil and political clout, the US propped up and continues to prop up corrupt and authoritarian regimes that suppress and abuse its people, noticably Saudi Arabia. All this bottles up into a lethal contail of anti-Americanism.

However, I also blame the Muslims fundamentalists. Their interpretation of the Qu'ran is totally different from those interpreted by other Muslims. As you would know, Muslims are divided into fundamentalism (Saudi Arabia, Iran and many gulf states), secularism (Turkey, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc) and moderates (Indonesia and Malaysia). It's all about interpretation. Yes the Qu'ran does preach that a Muslim shall defend the religion against infidels aiming to destroy the religion. This is interpreted by the fundamentalists as a license to kill indiscriminately.

I deplored the September 11 event and the killing of civilian contractors. I'm also against the suicide bombings. However, sometimes I think it's neccessary to get the message across... if you don't inflict pain on someone, they wouldn't know the pain they caused you.

Muslims are mostly me^ ti'n di. ddoan right ??

Huh? Are you talking about Asians?

Some of them are religious, yes, but superstitious, no.

Next time when you see your mate, ask him, which one of his parents cheat on the other ?

Paranoia usually is an effect from unconditional response causes by abnormal behaviors of which include guilt, fear, resentment, and defense mechanism, etc...

You would find an interesting reply from his answer. Please let me know what will his reply might be. I just wanted to know if this pattern follows the psychological behavior of a well established pattern. Very interesting case indeed!

Fu-king loser. Looking down on your own ethnicity. How sad.

It is very unlikely I will see him again. He was my mate when I was high school 3 years ago, he told me about this when I was in year 12. I was just thinking about it today. It wasn't his personal opinion, its not like he didnt like Viets, it was his mother's opinion. BTW his surname was Giang, is that a common Viet surname?

Wow learn a thing everyday, didn't know there are vietnamese muslims

*shakes hand with Nam Quoc Son Ha*, you are the first viet-muslim i know

This is great, so much diversity

What a #&%@ insult !!! If my sis heard that she'd slap his mother across the face. That has nothing to do with race!!

Giang is not a common Viet lastname, the only thing Viet about it is its spelling/sound. I know a Chinese woman with the lastname Quan, it's just the spelling that is Vietnamese, but pronounced Kwon, and she has nothing against Viet girls.

Chuong, you're missing out on some good Viet food!!!
I am going to hell for sure too.

LOL! You're not going to hell for that dude. I think many of us are in an even worse shape that you are!!! Give us a shout if you ever plan to visit your grandpa's kampung ok! I'll keep that mosque in mind when I go to Vietnam. Does anyone in your family keep in touch with your grandfather's side of the family in Malaysia?

Anyway, to be absolutely honest, I find it difficult to tell apart a Chinese from a Vietnamese just at a glance. There has to be much intermarriage between the two.

"Giang" is a last name of ethnic Chinese living in Vietnam and i'm sure that guy is probably 99.9% ethnic chinese.

btw Kewell, if you have not known yet, the chinese are sworn enemy of the Vietnamese. Vietnamese parents have always reminded their children not to ever marry a Chinese.

No it's not common viet surname, but that doesn't mean she's chinese.

Wow, you have some angry parents tqt. I currently live in the US, and its not the Chinese that my parents tell my siblings and I to stay away from. Infact, this forum is the first time that I've experience such hostilities between Viets and Chinese.

Don't worry, he's going to accuse you of being chinese-ethnics.

Yup, I know how you feel. Prior to joining AF and meeting all these anti-China Viets, I've always thought Viets were one of the most friendly people in the world. Houston has the third largest Viet communities in the U.S. Having lived in Houston most of my life, I've grown fond of Viet language and culture. These morons are giving Viets a horrible image though. Oh well -shurg

Hey NQSH! How come are you not going to marry the Negrito people???? .



RockHeart,



:genius:

Sorry, I can't seem to get the quote function to work...anyways, I've realized that eventhough there are misguided individuals on this forum, the majority seems to be able to, for the most part, stay away from generalizing entire groups of people based on the actions of a few and aren't so easily swayed by the media and such. So um, good job people.

LOL my fiance's parents tried to "arrange" a marriage for him to a Vietnamese girl. Then that didn't work and they said he could only marry Vietnamese or Chinese since he is both. THEN they said okay fine, any Asian girl. Now after his first marriage, their like F**K it just marry someone normal LOL.

You make it sound like the situation only goes one way. Need I remind you of fkr and emperor?

Was Emperor really that bad? I don't remember him being that bad...

Lol...same goes for my mom. She doesn't want me to marry outside my race...even a Vietnamese American isn't good enough for her. She wants me to marry a bona-fide Catholic Vietnamese girl. She's gonna be half-disappointed.

Not bad...just annoyingly stupid.

We were talking about Viets so I didn't mention Chinese.

If I were to talk about crimes committed by African-Americans, do I have to mention crimes committed by other races as well?

Considering how short-sighted some of the chinese members here are (in staying true to my post, I acknowledge some Viets are too), I had to make sure you know very well the situation goes both ways.

Well excuse me

Next time I'll be sure to mention ALL my knowledge and observations just in case you somehow assume I'm missing something


Yes, but I don't think you are in any place to talk...

Yeah, my close relatives live in Kuala Lumpur. Also got distant relatives in Johor Bahru and Kota Bahru. Also got some in Singapore as well. Yeah anyway the last time I visited both countries was like 4 years ago. Damn they laughed at my Bahasa. LOL

Wow I guess my mate is pretty much a one-off case. Thanks for all your opinions guys.

Sworn enemies? Says who? Apparently his mate's parents didn't think so. My parents don't think that Vietnamese are sworn enemies of Chinese. ALWAYS reminded their children of that? From what people have said in here, there seems to be several marriages of Vietnamese-Chinese.

Yea, I don't like this tqt dude, he seems like a puritist to me, My family is full of mixxes, Chinese, Viets, we get along fine , although my mother has recommended me one of my own (Viet, Hoa) It doesn't matter either one will do, as long as their not ugly inside and out

i hope all of you should understand tqt since he is telling the truth. yes, the pure viet's family wouln't allowed their childs to marry to non-viet because of the culture difference. Most of the viets here you see are etheir mixed so they can't tell you exactly what the viet people think. i don't think tqt is being racist or anything he's just simply telling the truth.

to kulong,

dude, you seem like a nice guy here. could i ask you a fews question? why did you break up with your ex girl friend may i ask? is it because her family don't allowed her to be with chinese? you can PM me if you don't want to share in the public

you are son of a b!tch! stop making this $hit up you low life scum.

can i have your phone number please?

Vietnamese-Chinese marriages are quite common. I don't see too much of a difference between the people apart from the language. In my opinion, Vietnamese Male/Female marrying Chinese Male/Female is fine.

You understand me pretty well.

btw, if you want to know how "nice" this Kulong is, go to his Chinese Nationalist Alliance site and read all the wonderful stuff that he has been saying about us Vietnamese.

Well according to some chart someone posted here before, Vietnamese are the most likely to marry within their own ethnicity compared to other asian nations.

My parents generally want me to just marry my own kind because it is more easier to families on one side to relate with the family on the other side if they share the same language and culture.

Yes there are lots of intermarriage between Chinese and Vietnamese because the cultures are pretty similar and countries are pretty much right next to each other, that's what makes it much more acceptable than marrying say a White or black or even a Khmer since their culture is very different than ours.

Of course your parents don't think that way. Vietnamese were barely considered a threat since history started, needless to see them as sworn enemies.