I got this from www.wired.com



This line sounds fishy:

"The move comes after the communist country sentenced several dissidents to long prison terms over the past two years for using the Internet to criticize the government and promote democracy."

Would the VN govn't do that?

Blocking porn from children is good though.

Is that a sarcastic question? Of course the Vietnamese government would censor information they deem opposes the state. That's one reason I hate communism - information should be free and accessible and people should be able to say what they want to say. People should be able to know all the facts and act on what they believe is right, and only they should be held accountable for their actions.

Porn and giving away state secrets, although they are real concerns, are just excuses for the communists to keep their people ignorant.

Bastards.

They just wanna follow the chinese.

damn those stupid commy fu-ks

Oh boy, now communism is believed to be anti-free speech

Yeah, I'm sure when Marx came up with communism, he made sure that free speech was outlawed

It's funny how so many people misunderstand communism.

they are not following Marx ideology, they are following vietcongs ideology

Agree. The ideology of communism is actually almost too perfect. If you take note of the Russsian's constitution. It was almost a perfect constitution there was. IMHO, the form of governing bodies are not meant to enslave human being. Remember, these people were highly educated people. The people who interpret and put the concept to practice are often rotten. If Vietnam is to evolve into any form of government (be it communism, capitalism, sociallism, or any other form), if these guys are still in power and still have this kind of attitude, it's all the same sh*t to me.
Take a look at religion for instance, religion is intent to give people a spiritual and inspirational upheaval. It is there to enrich the life of people. Yet some people use them to their own benefits. The Crusaders use it for an excuse to plunder the riches of the Islamic Empire, the Pope (in the Middle Ages) use them to exert her power much of Europe. In modern days, you can related many incidences to light as I would not go into it. You see, the dark side of human being is evident that thousand years of civilization is merely a mask covering our own primal instincts.
Phewwww....must be the coffee
No offense intented. Politics and religions are the two most controversial and sensitive and endless subjects to discussed (period). So I stop here.

Exactly, so don't blame communism when it's really the faults of those who are trying to carry out the ideal.

anyway fuk all the communism

Even Marx's ideology will NOT work in practice. Only looks good on paper.
For instance, the wealth of a nation is distributed evenly amongst its citizen. Sound like a utopia society eh!?
But there is a flaw there. No incentive to work and no entrepreneurship to thrive like that of the capitalism. No pain no gain. Everyone will sit back and be a free loader.

Hi everyone,

I'm new - a Frenchie.

I think it's better explained: they hadn't blocked the internet for these (insane) matters ahead of national IXP global connections.

This means that people who are regular subscribers to XXX-rated sites can still connect to their favorite sites, but only "as a family", in their homes. They cannot do this in public - with the great number of kiddies playing and chating around, just next to them in the webcafés.

This also means that pirats, pedophiles (and probably "dissidents" or anyone disseminating state secrets, too?) can be more easily detected and located.

That's the idea. Not the ideal.

There was also this second question about freedom of information.

The facts are that, in Vietnam

• Cable & Satellite TV exist. Everyone can watch intrenational news TV programmes (on CNN, BBC, TV5 Europe, TF1, MTV, Eurosport, etc...) together with all international news radios (VOA, BBC, RFI, ABC...)
• The internet is not blocked at global IXP international liaisons. Everyone can listen to all online world's radios.
• Everyone can simply listen to SW on any cheap transistor-radio set.
• People are encouraged to participate in debating the laws (on online news websites forums, on paper dailys...), and they do it, before the laws are voted.

So you probably want to update your information too?

YEAH, marixism or communism is just too good to be true............

actually communism is like a fariy tale, about how everyone is equal in everything.

I think the former USSR did that, where rocket scientist and toilet cleaners receive the same amount of wages.

one word oppression

Oh please, you're implying that communism can work? No, the one thing that stands in the way of true communism is human nature, specifically greed and ambition. I do concede that communists are great with proganganda though, you being the case in point.


As for my original post criticizing the Vietnamese government: that was exactly what I was doing, criticizing the Viet govt. I do blame communism however, but my post was made in the spirit of pragmatism: I hate the Vietnamese government the way it exists today. I'm not talking about theory, ideals, should-haves, would-haves, but what it is truly like right now.

Where in my post did I say communism can work? That's why I said it's the faults of those who are trying to carry out the ideal. Communism is a wonderful idea, and I agree with you that it won't work in reality because of human nature. So the problem here really isn't the idea of communism, but ourselves.


How can you blame communism when the Vietnamese government doesn't even practice true communism?

Firstly, the Viet government is still a communist government, and practices some of its ideals. Second, the very ideals of it robs the people who work harder. That is my problem with communism. Regardless, I dislike arguing theory when you can argue what is real, especially when we both agree that communism simply does not work. That is as futile as arguing whose imaginary elephant is more pink. What's real is that both Viet Nam and China face issues regarding human rights - certainly you care for your people as much as I care for mine...but you won't find me praising the governments just because it represents our countries. If I see room for improvements, I'm not going to shut my mouth in the name of nationalism.

The Vietnamese government is only "communist" in name... if Marx was still alive, he would've died again to know that so many governments called themselves "communist" yet what they practice is so far away from being a true communist society.


Agreed.


It's funny how you assume I, or my family, is from the PRC. I was actually born in the ROC (Taiwan), but that's beside the point. I don't believe the PRC government is ANWHERE near being perfect. But when improvements are made, I am not going to ignore it simply because there are still room for more.