I know the emperor has admitted this a couple years ago, but i wanted to know what you all thought of it... For years and years the Japanese have clearly believed that their sole ancestors were of the Jomon peoples even though there are scripts and hundreds of korean clan names written in old japanese chronicles, masters of the arts, trades, religion and such. Only believing that that many new ideas came across the peninsula, but not a different gene pool. So what do you think and how did you think before?? Were you one that also denied the contribution of foreigners on how japan's unique culture had evolved into? Give me your two cents...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/japan/story/0%2C...25426%2C00.html

Ciao!

Yea. It's true; Chinese records say so...

Its fine by me. It is nothing to get worked up over.



Even so japanese people are not koreans. Or property of korea. Koreans begin to claim japan. Or how they "civilized" japan. There have even been a few on asiafinest that have said such garbage. Someone even called ancient ties of japan to korea because japan was "koreans slave state". My only problem with it is that it gives the koreans more ego. I will however give you some more details about what I think of the origin of japanese from the korea area.

it's not like koreans are originally from korean peninsula. people migrate all over the place.

it's not like koreans are originally from korean peninsula.

I believe the same.

wha??! the migration of people who would later become koreans, chinese as well as japanese happened in ancient times...much before either of the two countries 5000+ years of history. That statement you said was pretty boggled as well cuz every type of people have migrated whether it be recent or ancient so pretty much youre saying all of the world's people with considerable links to one another are baseless. For most people we draw the line within a country's acknowledged history. What kind of standard are you setting??

We all came from mongolia...

All the ethnicities of east asia are not FROM Mongolia...some have their ancient roots there from roaming nomadic tribes. For the majority though the Great Mongol Empire in its relatively short duration the Mongols managed to slaughter other great foreign armies and for the most part rape the women leaving their legacy from as far as eastern europe. Ive read somewhere in an article that one in every three people in the world are descendants of the Khan. Talk about leaving your mark...

i'm just saying that we cant take credit for what japan acheived. it would be like giving china credit for what korea accomplished.

I also have to agree with Ogmumo.


I have seen a lot of Korean claiming Japanese are Korean just because of Japanese archievement, they thought that because only of Korean blood, they can only success.


This is mostly written in the Korean text book. As you know, the Korean is very professional in changing the history. Korean civilized Japan is a joke.


These people mostly learned these history from their Korean textbook.


This is ridiculous. Japan is a Korean slave state is a joke. Just imagine how the Korean change their history book in order to show to the younger generation how powerful is Korean is in the past.


I afraid that China doesn’t want any Korea achievement. Think about it, what have Korea archived in the past until now? Hyundai? Samsung? When people think about Korea, they will think about Hyundai, Kia, Samsung and other popular brand from Korea. Korea don’t even invented anything in the whole human civilization, all Korea have done until now is take the existing product such as car, and reproduce them than sell it.


Than why you still wanted to say “it would be like giving china credit for what Korea accomplished.”? It’s like showing how powerful is Korea is now. If you can list down Korea achievement, I will accept the fact that Korea is powerful.

uhh... i didnt say china wanted anything.

Read my above post again.

exactly when did i say "korea is powerful"? did i even mention anything about samsung or kia?did i even say korea is better than china? you totally misunderstood my statement and now you are bashing korea. that just shows how shallow you are.

There is no problem with me. I am clearly stating the fact. And I am not bashing Korean. The post that you made is like showing how powerful is Korean. And how China desperately wanted to steal Korean achievement.

ok there is a misunderstanding here. when i said "it would be like giving china credit for what korea accomplished", i was just using it as a comparison how some koreans wanted to take credit for japan's acheivement. i never meant in anyway that china wanted to steal korean acheivement.
plus, your knowledge of korean history book is just plain ridiculous. korean history book never states that japan is korea's slave country. next time you wanna bash someone or some other country, i suggest you to study with a concrete proof before babbling your pie hole with false facts.

Than I also don’t like the way you say. Like I said in the previous post, the sentence "it would be like giving china credit for what Korea accomplished" its like showing that Korea is superior and China need to steal Korea achievement.

Now, I want you to list down the reason what can China steal from Korea achievement.


I read this from other forum, If I am wrong, thank you for correcting me.

you are still not understanding me. i NEVER meant or said china wanted to steal anything from any country. i dont know how you get the impression that china wanted to steal acheivements from korea. but if my previous statement misleaded you, i apologize.

I understand you clearly.


Your sentence “it would be like giving china credit for what Korea accomplished.” Clearly stated that Korea do have a lot of achievement that China can steal from


Read my above statement again.

Apologize accepted, I also wish to apologize if I offended you.

But I also wanted you to answer me, please list down the achievement that Korean have done that China can steal.

Koreans do not believe that they should be credited for Japanese achievements. Nobody said anything about that...that is ridiculous.. They want the truth. Koreans contributed to the society and culture of Japan just like how Koreans ungrudgingly accept many of the contributions their bigger brother, China passed on to them. Japan and Korea...two rivals and enemies for how long now...there's still a big stigma in the two populations that either one is inferior to each other. Just look and read in the initial post's article...gives an example of why Nara Palace in japan is off limits with no plans for archiological digging cuz japanese officials dont want to discover artifacts and proof of even more korean influence than there is now... And that's what angers many koreans; hiding the truth and basically constantly insulting koreans giving the impression that Japan couldnt be so influenced by some no good-inferior society. Even one of three or so of Japan's national royal treasures is an ancient rotted sword that is given to every emperor it was a gift from one of the three kingdoms of old korea...i believe it was a gift from the shilla king. Most of the Koreans in Japan at the time were from Shilla, the most domanant in the arts, trades, architecture and such of the three korean kingdoms. All the references, books, tablets, chronicles, korean influenced artifacts are there and much still lies beneath the ground. Unbiased truth is hard to come by in Asia, but more acknowledgement in books is what the conflict is about.

Unforutnately some do, and I never say that all Korean think that the should be credited fr Japanese archivements.

China only contributed the culture to Korean. But I do admit that recently Korea have prove that they can become a very powerful country by their archivement in exporting technology. Which is admirable.

I have a feeling that Korean and Japanese get along easily.

Huaren your english has improved.

Im sure everyone would get along, espicially with the case of japan, where there are so many similarities with the people, food and drink, society, all the way down to what they both export, but as long as there are lines separating countries apart there will always be conflict. To be honest, it'd be strange not to see much conflict between chinese/koreans and many other asian ethnicities with their relationship with japan, just like how itd be weird to see Jews and Palestinians in a state of peace. But you never know... what i really believe that will bring east asia together is a E.U. like group; an Asian Alliance of sorts....ive always looked in to the feasibility of such a pact within China, Japan, Korea and A.S.E.A.N and that's what i really think will happen in the near future and break many barriers. There is already much cooperation in developing new technologies and uniforming them between the big three Asian powers along with many other countless examples. Only a matter of time...

first line of previous post....i meant "espicially with the case between japan and korea".

Thank you Ogumo.

let me make this clear to you for the last time.
"IT WOULD BE LIKE giving china credit for korean accomplishment"
i didnt say china was stealing anything. of course china has their own proud acheivements. i also could have said "it would be like giving europeans credit for american acheivement"

One question, why you use China as an example rather than other country? Why not Malaysia, why not Thailand or why not other country instead of China?

because we are talking about east asian nations in general. the point i was trying to make is that koreans shouldnt take credit for japan's status just because japanese people migrated from korea long long time ago. korea was also influenced by china but that does not mean china is responsible for what korea is today. you get the picture? i assure you, i wasnt trying to cheapen china by no means.

Now Japan and Korea must form an alliance. China now is more dangerous to Korea than Japan. China will become the superpower inevitably, and it's notorious for its imperialism.

Actually, you are wrong. I say that Japan is the most dangerous country in Asia. Or even in the world. It is the US who put pressure on Japan and restricts them upgrading their military so that’s why you can see Japan is not that dangerous in this world. If Japan have the freedom to build up their military, they can become a superpower in 5 years. They have enough technology for nuclear weapons, advance jet etc.

i disagree, most of the countries now have enough technology and defense system to counteract any foreign invasion. it's not like japan's the only one who can build nukes. any country can make nukes if there wasnt any international treaty.

Incorrect, there are still a lot of countries who cannot even build their own weapons. These countries include of Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia and other southeast country. They mostly reply on foreign weapon such as Russia weapons. Even China also rely on Russia weapons.

IN war, you can’t keep saying I have nuke I will win. China has nuke, now call china to bomb Japan. Can she do it? I say NO. Why? Heard of missile defense system? Nuclear is not laser, it is a missile which fire from ICMB or other missile launcher system. And missile can be easily destroy by missiles defense. I’m sure Japan have enough missiles defense to defense herself from nuclear attack.

Now, you can see how dangerous is Japan when she has the freedom to upgrade it military. You can’t harm her by nuclear, you cant harm her by missile, what lot more to say if she have the ability to strike back.

BTW, not every country can make nukes. Can Singapore make nukes? LOL, off course not their land are too small and there are not enough resources to make nuke.

i know what nukes are so you dont need to explain to me what it is.keep in mind that this is 21st century. japan cannot just invade other country like 70 yrs ago. even if they invade some country, the world will not allow them to have it their way

Even if Japan gets a freedom to build her own army, their chance of invading other neighboring countries is a 1-2%. Which those percentage are not even accurate.

I was just kidding around about the mongolia thing. I have not read up on any of the etymology stuff, but it's just what I heard from my Korean pastor. Of course, he was probably just saying that, not necessarily being true.