The Vietnamese “sickness”

Every culture/race has it bad side but as a Vietnamese I would like to talk about the Vietnamese “sickness” in particular.
In general we Vietnamese have 3 sicknesses:

1) Lack of punctuality: what is it about the Vietnamese and lateness? Why can’t we be on time? We always have to be late. Arriving late is extremely disrespectful and slow down our productivity. When we do businesses punctuality is vital! SO think carefully the next time you plan to meet someone.

2) Lack of public hygiene: meaning that ...we seem to TOSS RUBBISH very often. In some cases, some of us are standing right next to the bin and we couldn’t be bothered to put our rubbish into the bin. In Australia, in the Asian shopping centre of Cabramatta the public toilets are NOT FREE, each time we want to get in we have to pay 50cent. It’s the only place in Australia to do so. It shows how “lack of public hygiene” we are. What will the foreigner thinks when they look at us? Although they have never says it but I know that in their mind, they looks at us with disgust. Why can't we be clean? Why can we put our rubbish into the bin? What is so hard about it? You, the tosser, you're giving the Vietnamese people a bad name, a very bad name.

3) Alcohol and gambling: does this run in the Vietnamese blood? How can we get it out? You adults! You’re giving us, the youth a very bad image, you’re making a very bad example. You’re the one we look upon and when we see you behaving like animals, guess what, we will do the same thing! You’re telling us to stay away from alcohol and gambling while you are doing it yourself? What is so “cool” about alcohol? Only idiots think it is “cool”.


There are many more sicknesses that we Vietnamese have. Unless we get rid of them we will have problems competing with the rest of the world. So please have a think about it.

I am taking actions to rectify this situation. I can't guarantee that they will work though because those actions depend on the good wills of other people.

I don't understand why ntn1987 constantly posts the topics reviling vietnamese. I don't know you are vietnamese or not, but what you posted is bad

I've sent to Heavenanddearth the following email, and I'll take it to apply to you.

Dear ntn1987,

I want to tell you that my country is now very peaceful and happy, life is better than before and especially there are no raping, no murdering and no polictical unstability. I've heard of raping and murdering in vietnam but these just happened in the past when VietCong's political viewpoints were not lucid at that time. Nowadays, their minds are made up, Vietnam is in the process of intergrating into the world and, in particular, Vietnam will be an official member of WTO in the end of 2006, living standards will gradually improve, working behaviour will aslo be better. There's an adage that goes something like "the old always heads the past, the young always heads the future", this applies to you , you will know who you are between the old and the young. Let the past go by, let's head the future, don't live in the past, don't argue with each other about this problem. We are Vietnamese, this is an irrefutable fact.

Regards

^ Your fiancee? Seriously? Wow! Congratulations man!

Does she have free friends?

Actually we have advantages & disadvantages,but more disadvantages than the other one,
So if ntn1987 talked like that,i think he's used to face with those obstacles everyday,
Before i went to US,always feel the same

yo, havy
maybe you mean "heeds" instead of "heads". check it out ...

btw, your lady is smoking hot. put her in an ao dai, and it's all good!
congrats!

What level of the Viet society are you from?
Open your eyes, VN is now nothing but trash. Theres no raping? no political unstability?.....where did you come back from...?
Only CON ONG CHAU CHA talk like theres nothing happening.




OMG thats a Korean actress name JUN JI HUN

fu-king idiot, not all Viets have those problems.

I said Viet in general

i do admit that being late is an unchaneable habit of Vietnamese, somehow it became vietnamese tradition, just join viets wedding party and you'll see

Only idiots and lazy people think its a tradition. No wonder the foreigner dont like to do bussinesses with us, we always pisses them off with our " sicknesses".

for any vietnamese, who dares to say that i've never been late or i will never be late for something include you, ntn1987, For foreigners come to Vietnam to do bussiness, initially they might be pissed off with being late usually of vietnamese, but they gradually can get used to it and think it's not a bid deal. Most of us, vietnamese, think it's just a normal thing, why can't you? do you have to take this more seriously? exaggerator

Yes? Imagine you have a bussiness meeting and you arrive late, what might happen? there would be no bussiness for you......... The foreigner dont like it and I dont like................
This is a very serious sickness that we Viet must get rid off.

I'm just only a simple vietnamese citizen, Not CONG ONG CHAU CHA. I don't think I've reached a hign level of society where I have a status to talk to you ... what I said based on things that I've been seeing.

As said, raping and murdering just happened in the past, if these are going on at the present as you said, then is there any proof ? please, show me, thank you

You want proof? here are just SOME:

http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat...05/08/3B9E0F1E/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2005/04/3B9DD2B0/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2006/06/3B9EB6E5/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2006/05/3B9E97DC/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2006/03/3B9E7A66/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat...06/01/3B9E5B51/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2005/12/3B9E49F8/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2005/11/3B9E418C/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat/2005/11/3B9E4156/
http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Phap-luat...05/11/3B9E3DB8/

Go to google.com, www.vnexpress.net or http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.aspx?ChannelID=312 and type in HIẾP DÂM! you will see a lot of it...........

despite this, there's lots more foreign companies come to VietNam to do bussiness for every years in a long term plan being late is acceptable and unavoidable in Vn, they, foreigners, perceive and accept this,

Chinese guy ntn1987,
I have found someone who is willing to adopt you for the price of $500 USD. It's a good deal, take it! Another guy wants to adopt you for free but I wouldn't recommend him.

Thank you



OMG , you bring out the criminals of society and assign this to all of vietnameses, it's very unreasonable and very funny. If so, I'll also take all of chinese criminals to assign them to all of chineses.

there's any proof showing the raping and murdering of Vietnam government nowadays ! because there's nothing to show. These just happened in the past.

What will you say when it's said that Vietnam is the safest country in the world ?

ntv1987, when was the last time you have been to vietnam? let me rephrase that. have you even been to vietnam? Last time i went to vietnam(Mar 2005) it was full of kind and disciplaint Vietnamese people.

Jan 2005. There were nice people but there were a lot of DRUNKEN C*NTS too! and people never arrive on time,etc thats what i want to point out, the Vietnamese "sickness". Read my post more clearly! Those sickness not only existed in Vietnam but also existed in the Viet overseas. Maybe youre one of them , wonder why we Viet are falling behind. We lacks of discipline and determination.



VN is one of the safest nations in the world. Haha.....you sure know how to make joke.

I agree with you somewhat, but arent all Asians supposed to be like that? When life gets better, people will care more about hygiene.

I feel that taking criminal news from Vietnam and posting it here is not a good thing to do. Every country has their own criminals. If any, Vietnamese has lower rate of murders or serious offence than Western societies.

Look at the bad side of thing and i can see life is all gloomy and not worth living. Like you suddenly see $100 note on the street and pick it up. You can either think that you are so lucky today, or you can feel miserable for the person who lost the money. Another example is by eating meat, you feel miserable for those animals being slaughtered; or by driving car, you feel miserable for the environment. But you wouldnt think like that, would you? Being optimistic doesnt mean you are not cautious or you are stupid. It all depends on personal viewpoint.

This Vietnamese chat forum is infested with trolls.

If I found any large amount of money i wouldnt pick it up, if i do i will go and report it to the police. I would never throw rubbish anywhere but in the bin. All of us have to do our part to keep the planet clean!

Oh, please. Im saying its $100. You bring $100 to the police and they will put it in their pocket after you leave, and say to themselves: "Gee, the American education system is good. It can produce perfectly honest immigrants"

Of course, if you bring it to the police, it is good. But think about the time it takes you to get to the police station and report it. Some people rather spend that time to work and bring home money.

About the rubbish example, how about the bin is 100km away? How about the rubbish is only a small candy paper?

All system work because it has the right incentives and punishments, and practically, relying solely on humans' morality will never work. Think about what happened in the 1930s great depression, many people suddenly become poor and crimes rate in America and Europe skyrocketed. People only takes care of hygiene after they can feed themselves. If you want proof, i suggest you read through Herzberg's 2-factor theory and the associated body of researches.

ha ha, what a backward guy !! . Vietnam is considered one of the safest countries in the world in which to do business and travel

http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.as...2&ChannelID=100



“VN là một trong ba thị trường hấp dẫn đầu tư ở châu Á”
http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.as...72&ChannelID=11

http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.as...79&ChannelID=11

Cứng họng rồi nhá

I already told you, would never toss rubbish anywhere but into the bin! i dun care if the rubbish is a small piece of paper or if the bin is 100km away. If i cant find a bin i will take the rubbish home and throw it into my bin.
If i found money on the street and i know the police forces is corrupted, i will donate that money into charity instead.



This is clearly a biased piece of information. North korea is considered to be safe?.....haha

There is no excuses to be a litter bug. If the the bin is 100km away, put it in your pocket and throw it away when you find one. I don't know about Australia or Canada but in the United States, there are trash can and recycle bin everywhere you go. So basicly, there is no excuse no mater how small or big the trash is.

Yup! :

Oah, that is really good. if only everybody could be like you, the world would be a perfect paradise.

Now, what if you go on a trek for the weekend, and you really want to pee or even worse, want to $hit. There is no toilet nearby. It is so difficult to not do it.

To be a perfect citizen, maybe you would do it in the forest, pick it up and bring it home to throw into the rubbish bin. Imagine that.

Sorry to use that example.

Again sorry to use that example.

Just hope you understand that it is not problem of the people. People everywhere have the same basic human need for food, sex, shelter. After that, they will take care about hygiene, relation with people, desire for power, development of culture, etc. I bet that Japan a few hundred years ago was probably less cultured, and was a dirtier place than China. It is only when they have enough food created by a strong economy, they started to develop things in more details and become so clean like they are now.

Please name me a country with same GDP level to Vietnam that is so clean. It is just impossible.
There is more important things to consider such as developing a balanced economy, then with the right system of incentives and punishments, people can be trained to be very clean in 1 generation.

Are you implying that BBC and MSN are clearly biased in Vietnam's favour ? .

It is difficult for some people to accept some facts

Guys, I was in Ho Chi Mihn city (Saigon) last year for business. Stayed at the Hilton Saigon.
Saigon was a beautiful city. Very clean! (Cleaner than Beijing) People were very
industrious and cheerful.

Whatever Vietnam lacks at the present, it will all improve along with the economy.
Korea went through the same stages. I remember reading about the "Korean illness"
when Korea was still developing back in the 70s.

The road to becoming a developed country is a long one, and will take decades. But
I'm 100% sure that you'll all see a powerful, prosperous, democratic Vietnam that's the economic, political leader
of SEA in a few decades or so.

I am more optimistic about Vietnam than the China - too big, too diverse, too much disparity between
regions.

Our road toward modernisation is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years away. We are behind the world 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of steps.
You think VN is clean? why dont you go around VN and see for yourself. OPEN YOUR EYES!
Thats the prob with us, we hope , HOPE! we do nothing but HOPE. Well hoping is useless!

No! I am saying that survey is biased. Ask anyone who is living in Vietnam and they will say:"Its a hell hole". There is almost no human right and freedom in North korea and Vietanm and they are amongs the safest nations?
The survey conclusion is enough to make everyone laugh. North Korea is considered to be safe? haha
The people who conducted the survey/study and concluded such idiotic facts are clearly F***.
The world know that Vietnam and North Korea are amongst the most poorest nations on Earth, not only that they are also famous for violating the Human Rights conventions. I have a good laugh when reading the line "North Korea is one of the most safest place".
Only F Head like you would believe such idiotic facts!
Be gone.............

Study after study after study found that Vietnam is stable, developing well, relatively safe from violence and terrorism, the people are optimistic and they work and study hard like hell.

Remember, Vietnam only has had peace since 1990, US sanctions only ended in 1994... all this after almost continuous war with Japan, France, the US, China and Cambodia.

It is a fking miracle that we survived let alone developing as well as we are doing.

We have another ***** in the forum.
Studies? who conducted those studies? the Con Ong Chau Cha?
Vietnam is free from violence?, buddy! go back there and see for yourself. See how "safe" it is.The VC are doing an excellent job taking of the Fatherland and the people, "excellent".

I have the feeling that ntn1987 got beat up on the mean Vietnamese streets by some skinny punks and now he's pissed at the whole country. I hope he never returns there.

What's con ong chau cha? Diem's family?
The Pew Research Institute is con ong chau cha? The UN? Western economic organisations? Can you read? I wrote Vietnam is relatively free from violence, relative to Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, and dare I say the USA.

The average cop in Vietnam doesn't even carry fire arms. What makes you feel unsafe in Vietnam (apart from your attitude)?


or something worse, shameful even ...

Hey guys, just a reminder to not double post.

If you have something to add to your previous post, just use the edit function!

North Korea didn't concern what I mentioned above. I admit that North Korean's still behind the times, their political viewpoints are still conversative nowadays.

what I said above that Vietnam is in the process of developing and intergrating into the world, living standards gradually improve. This is an irrefutable fact. I have provided proof.

if you suppose that these are idiotic facts, then you are saying what the foreigners jugded Vietnam is wrong ! all of them are idiotic.

Việt Nam is considered one of the safest nations in the world (BBC, MSN, AOL said that )
http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.as...2&ChannelID=100

[b]“VN là một trong ba thị trường hấp dẫn đầu tư ở châu Á” ( Mr Yoshihisa Akiyama, the president of Kansai said that )

http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.as...72&ChannelID=11
http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.as...79&ChannelID=11

there's just only such a person as you don't realize that fact

ntn1987:

"There is almost no human right and freedom in North korea and Vietanm and they are amongs the safest nations?"

Putting North Korea and Vietnam in the same basket is ridiculous, unless you are doing propaganda, in which case the facts don't count.

"The world know that Vietnam and North Korea are amongst the most poorest nations on Earth, not only that they are also famous for violating the Human Rights conventions."

I didn't know that Vietnam is among the world's poorest nations and neither does the CIA. Why don't you google for the CIA World Factbook instead of screaming bull$hit at the top of your lungs?


ntn1987:

And here is a report of one survey that ranks the Vietnamese as among the happiest people in Asia:

Vietnam - happiest country in Asia
http://english.vietnamnet.vn/social/2006/07/591024/

If you are not happy with the result - and I know you aren't - then I suggest that you fire off a nasty letter to the British NGO who designed and organized the survey. And tell them that the next time they do a survey about Vietnam, that they talk to you and only you - That way, the survey will be 100% accurate

even if they say Vietnam is "safe", as a Viet Kieu I have be very careful when I'm over there. When dealing with "cong an" or police people, I don't feel "safe" at all. You're safe when you give them some "change" for cafe. Maybe they treat other nationals different. don't know....

Its also a bad idea to go out at night by yourself especially in smaller cities. My friends got robbed by a gang of 10+ with knifes in Dalat at night. Another got pickpocket in Saigon. Vietnam might be safe from terrorism but not from petty crimes like those. As poor kids compete with rich kids, they will do things to get the money. Plus drug is a big problem in Vietnam. But overall, I think Vietnam is relatively "safe".

Thanks for your feedback. New York City is safe, but I always keep an eye on my surroundings. I kind of miss the old New York City, though: back in those days, if you were smart enough and tough enough to survive the mean streets of New York, you could survive almost anywhere in the United States. Back in those days, human lives were cheap and the appartmental rentals (that's the only thing I care about) were even cheaper - and nobody wanted to come to New York City, except for refugees and immigrants.

There is still a big cultural gap between Vietnam and America. I always believe that in general, the way someone behave determines the way they are treated. If you are happy, you look like a good person, you understand the cultural difference and act appropriately, i dont think anyone would do harm to you.

Usually people who are over the top and try to act differently that will marginalise themselves from everybody, and are more likely to subject to different treatment. I dont say that people should be like that, but i believe societies are like that everywhere.

People like to talk to someone who are similar and close to them. Even if you feel that you are foreign to certain people, you can still show your respect by spending time listening to them. Every group has its written rule and non-written rule. The non-written rule is more difficult to get hold of. To be included, usually you have to follow these rules. Even if you disagree with those rules, at least dont try to break those rules, then you will be fine.

It is the same with me, for example, being an Asian, having to be included in a close-knit white group for a particular purpose. I would need to understand the rules of the group by looking at how they act and their subtle hierachy. I dont just jump in and join them because that is rude. If it is only for a working purpose, maybe i dont have to understand the certain rule, i only need to show respect for the people in the group. But if i really want to get to a deeper level of relationship with them to take advantage of many things not available to outsiders, then i have to understand and follow the non-written rules of the group.
Our elders have said all along "Nhập gia tùy tục"

Being in Vietnam, you already have a big advantage over people of different looks because people think you are vietnamese, it is easier for you to get into deeper level of relationship with them. The problem is whether you know how to do or not. That is when you need to have a good grasp of the culture, not in theory, but in practice.

I've been told and I do practice this: if I walk by a "bad" crowd, I just be myself acting like they are just regular people. I think if you act like you're scare and timid, that's when you become easy prey to the criminals. Crimianls look for easy prey.

In case of Viet Kieu, criminals know you have money and if you put yourself in a bad situation, you will become their victim. and there are criminals luring Viet Kieu in a bad situation and then rob them. Eventhough you try to dress like the local, they know you are VK.
I experienced this when I went to Dam Sen park with my cousins wearing similar cloths to them but when buying tix to get in, the cashier charged me triple eventho we didn't say anything about I'm being VK.

I had 2 girls spike my drink, took my money, clothes and got away with my bike in VN.

The survey was conducted by 1 organisation, its clearly biased. A believable survey would be conducted by multiple-organisations to prevent any biasness. I would like to know HOW the survey was conducted. Without proper evidence their concludsions are meaningless.




Vietnam is very safe isnt it?.haha

Ok, I agree that Vietnam is unsafe. Please dont visit Vietnam. Happy?

Like you, I don't know what kind of questions were asked on the study or the statistics they used. But if you say Vietnam is SAFE from terrorists or political unstability then I do agree Vietnam is one of the safest countries in terms of those criteria. but Vietnam like many other countries is not free from those similar petty crimes I mentioned above. If the study says safe for tourists then I agree because most crimes committed to tourists are petty crimes. There are much more serious crimes where Viet do to each other. for example I just read at vnexpress today where a 41 yo got caught on site where he was raping a 11 yo girl. Pretty sad to see this kind of news.



I don't know if I should laugh or cry for you.
but that must be one scary experience. Hope you learn your lesson.

The communists of Vietnam want everyone to be playing lottery ... You see the army of lottery peddlers everywhere