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BigBenChow
Why America Will Not End The Occupation Of Japan

Japan is an example of American occupation in action. Over 60 years Japan has not been Japan.

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Asia has always been the dreamed destination for early American merchants. The goods sought in trade for people back in the United States were certainly cherished items. And with the added idea of trading with Opium; made it an irresistable quest; giving the trade a higher value than thinking the California Goldrush was worth its weight in gold.

America always envied Great Britian for having acquired territory in China. Britain took Hong Kong as its settlement for winning the Opium Wars. A wrongful war in which Britain also used Opium as a form of currency. Since those treaties with China and Britain; America has always sought an Asian footing.

Defeating Japan in WWII was the real beginning to American Nationalism from an American point of view in Asia. Harry Trumans use of the Atomic Bomb on nonmilitary targets killing innocent Japanese Civilians established America's ownership to Japans future. The death of civilians forced the populace to accept American determinism known also as imperialism. Afterward; Japans military surrendered the 2nd time. The first time was several weeks before the bomb was used. But America ignored Japans initial offering.

Japan has no vast resources that America needs such as oil, or coal, or rare metals. But in those times as they still think wrongfully today, is that Japan is a strategic place for American positioning. That positioning is the U.S military. Things changed politically for the United States when Russia announced it now had the bomb. America realized it needed to stay in Japan.

America has not relinquished its control of Japan because of its strategic importance. Japan being closer to Russia than the United States proved to be a valuable base during the Cold War, where nuclear missiles had an easy advantage if need be; to strike Russian targets at closer range.

Now when we compare Iraq with its vast oil resources, and its strategic importance in the Oil rich Gulf, with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Israel....it sends a clear signal to the world body of nations that America will never leave Iraq; especially with Iran now claiming its nuclear membership. If America would not leave Japan and it had no Oil resources, how are we to believe America will pull out of Iraq? It will not happen.

With America in Japan they had a launching pad against Russia. Later in time China acquired the Atomic Bomb, thereby cementing America to the Japanese pavement.

In examining the reason why Truman ended support to the Kuomintang Nationalist Taiwan party in favor of Chairman Mao's communist party in forming a government, we see it had to do with Japan. Truman thought the Chinese Communist were connected to the Russians. He wanted to breakup that relationship by showing Mao how good American Policy was in ending wars to promote stability. Doing this Truman gambled that China would end its support to Russia, and forge ahead new relations. By remaining in Japan Truman hoped for economic success between China and Japan. But it was not to happen.

Trumans gamble has not paid out. In fact Mao was very thankful to Truman in stopping the support to Chaing Kai Shek forces, yet he also remained loyal to Russia, because he wanted the bomb for China.

When China became a new member to the nuclear bomb club it further fueled the necessity in America not giving Japan its sovereignty. Sadly, China has always been happy that America dropped the bomb on Japanese civilians. It was their moment in an odd way of getting justice. Remember Japan committed terrible atrocities by slaughtering 300,000 chinese people in Nanjing. It has been my belief Japan did this to end Britain's and American control over the Chinese government, with their opium markets. Indeed Japans actions did end this and stopped opium when Chairman Mao rose to power by forcing all foreigners out of China.

China's happiness in the dropping of the Atomic Bomb on Japan by the United States were challenged when the Vietnam War started. China was supporting N. Vietnam, and the shift from the Kuomintang in Taiwan so to speak was realized in Saigon and S. Vietnam. Millions were killed, 58,000 US troops died, and America ended up pulling out of that senseless campaign.

Japans economic progress unfolded because America was rebuilding Japan from the destruction of the bomb and building military bases. Japan has prospered as an American colony...yet its real sovereignty has been held in check. Present day poilicies are that if Japan wants its sovereignty it needs to pay for it.

With the fall of the Soviet Union and the huge decline of the Cold War. America has now decided to remove troops from Japan to Guam. Coincidentally at the same time the USA has engaged military action against Iraq. Japan is forced to pay the bill for the move. This is in my opinion an egregious error. Japanese citizens do not want American forces in Okinawa anymore. And why should they pay when in fact Trumans decision to target civilian targets was a war crime, and Japan should be compensated.

The shift is also because of the Iraq War, and the need for money and support in that arena. Japan is cooperating with American coalition because with America in Iraq it assures Japan its needed Oil resources for Japans economy. Japan with its assured Oil supply could see Japan buying its way out of its condecension for its national sovereignty. The Japanese certainly do not trust China for its oil supplies, or Russia for that matter.

The deeds America have done do not end the problems. They have all been major mistakes. The republicans always feel militaries are necessary and War is part of human existence.

I think they are wrong. America needs willing friends not held captive friends. If America bombed military targets instead of civilians in Japan they feared constant uprising. But America should realize that if they do not occupy a country, they become a nation that supports individual national rights and autonomy. Instead America has become an Imperial Empire, known as the New World Order.

America should pull out of Japan after all these years because maintaining the strategic land basis is a fallacy. With aircraft carriers, and sumarine launchers, strategic landing sites are a waste of taxpayer money, time, and effort.

The problem now with Iraq and its oil resources, is that the Oil supply is a finite resource. With the threat of Global Warming, and the depletion of those scarce oil resources, Japan and the USA should be working jointly in creating Alternative Energy Fuels, instead of this false war called terror.

Japan should be the first to recognize that what America did to them should not be happening to Iraqis.

Now the USA will claim their involvment in Iraq is not about Oil, but is about establishing Democracy. But why hasn't democracy been sought out in the many other countries that contain the Persian Gulf? They are all dictatorships except for Israel a country that was sliced out of Palestinian Arab lands, and still has no established borders. If you want to call that a democracy I would have to question its authenticity.

Also; America has a major enemy Iran. America used Iraq to fight Iran, and those problems have caused this made up excuse of wanting to give Iraq democracy. The world knows it is just an excuse. Yet what is the world to do against this? Its like Superman has taken up the quest to committ crime. It's like Batman and Robin have joined the evil forces of the Joker and The Penguin. Its like Jesus thrusting a sword into one of his disciples. It's like Ronald Reagan joining the communist party.

This is not America, but a floundering country who has lost its identity and purpose for good. When we have evidence that points to American internal involvment in committing 911, and they do not support real investigations; it is clear America is under seige and has been for a very long time.

America needs to get out of Japan and Iraq for a starter; in its new direction as a real bonafide supporter of freedom, instead of a dictator and occupier for freedom.
Ogumo
On second thought I don't think I will get into this conversation again. Ive said all I have to say on this dozens already.
Suijen
I certaintly wouldn't doubt it.
toonagi
Just to add somthing

i agree with all you said by the way

About Israel though
this land was made so that the Americans can keep sailing weapons. That’s why the Palestine Israeli problem didn't and probably won’t be solved until the Americans weapon sales strategy changed.
Israel was established firstly because it was the "gate to the east”, from Israel the British and the Turks used to move through the red sea into the eastern part of the world.

unlike what most people think - Israel was established firstly for the benefit of the west and its alleys
people think it was made so that till be a safe home for Jews while the production of the Nazi gas chambers were officially made by "IBM"
another well known fact is that the USA didn't rescued the Jews ,their real saviors were the Russian.
a few weeks before the soviets made it into Auschwitz plains of the united states were passing by the camp for dozens of times with out destroying or harming it.

Palestine and Israel are a good scapegoat to the USA (again a strategically great position for the USA and great never stopping clients for the weapons of the USA - Israel is committed to buy weapons from the USA there are contracts about It. while Palestine is being armed by the support of Iran and Syria)

USA is rewriting history for more then 60 years now.
I mean most people don’t have any idea about the fact Japan was trying to surrender before the bombs were dropped a few weeks before.



michinobu_zoned
I won't deny that Japan has been mistreated by the US on so many occassions, more so than Germany and Germany was just as bad as Japan was. However, let's not forget the the US also maintains military bases on its mother country the UK, and has no plans of ever taking troops away from Great Britain although most Americans are of anglo-saxon descent. Yet, the UK also doesn't spend so much of its own money on US troops in Great Britain as Japan does. The only way for this to change is for the Japanese-American community to change this. Which isn't so unlikely as they are the most powerful Asian ethnicity in the US and are outnumbered by their Chinese and Korean counterparts.

Since the Japanese first started immigrating to the US, they had been increasingly coming influential in American politics due to the finances they had managed to gain. Unlike the Chinese Americans who were mailny used for cheap manual labor, many Japanese-Americans were business owners.

However, during WW2 Japanese-Americans were forced to live in internment camps. This had hurt the Japanese-American community as many Japanese lost all their assets, whereas Italian-Americans and German-Americans weren't forced to do the same and they too were at war with the US.

However, the Japanese were given a formal apology from the US government and were given reparations, something that not even African-Americans can have.

For any group of Asians in the US, the Japanese are still the most influential. Throughout the 20th century, there have been Japanese-Americans senators, and though there is currently only one Japanese senator and a handfull of congressmen, Japanese population in America makes up only 0.4% of the total. Based on this demographic, the power in politics to population ratio is higher than most ethnicities. Especially, since there are no other asian ethnicity in congress.

Also, the Japanese were the first Asian-Americans to be allowed in top positions in military and government. The first Asian-American in congress was Daniel K. Inouye, a person of Japanese descent. The first congresswoman of "color" was a Japanese-American. Norman Y. Mineta is of Japanese descent and was the first Asian-American to become mayor of a city and cabinent member for a president. The first Asian-American to be a military chief of staff was Eric Shinseki. Ellison Onizuka was the first Asian-American to be astronaut and he too was Japanese ethnicity.

What I'm trying to say is, that the Japanese are a pretty powerful group in the US. And though Japan is mistreated in its realtions with the US, Japanese-Americans have the power to change that. The Japanese American community are already the most powerful asian ethnicity in America and will likely become even more affluent in government, military, and politics.

A Chinese person like Ben, might want the US to move out of Japan, but we all know that having US troops benefits Japan even if they make the Japanese pay for it. Also, let's not forget that most Americans are of English descent but have no problem with keeping US troops in England. Why should it bother Japanese Americans so much that the troops are there? The only problem is the fact that the Japanese have to pay to keep the US soldiers there and that American soldiers don't know how to behave themselves overseas (the same problem that the Japanese have with them are same worldwide).

Let me ask ben chow why he wants the US out of Japan so bad. Is because you want China to have less of an influence in the Asian region? Maybe when the Japanese have a full-fledged military and have a permenant UN security council seat will Japan no longer need the US miltary's help. But, for now Japan needs the US, the least that can be done is for Japanese to continue to grow as an increasingly influential ethnicity in the US's military and government, as it already is one of the most influential ethnicities in the US and the only Eastern-Asian ethnicity with any power in the US.


Ellison Onizuka a Japanese-American Astronaut, first Asian-American astronaut:
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Eric Shenseki is of Japanese descent and the first Asian-American to be a military chief of staff:
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Musicisfree
QUOTE(toonagi @ Jun 18 2006, 08:42 PM) [snapback]1965740[/snapback]

Just to add somthing

i agree with all you said by the way

About Israel though
this land was made so that the Americans can keep sailing weapons. That’s why the Palestine Israeli problem didn't and probably won’t be solved until the Americans weapon sales strategy changed.
Israel was established firstly because it was the "gate to the east”, from Israel the British and the Turks used to move through the red sea into the eastern part of the world.

unlike what most people think - Israel was established firstly for the benefit of the west and its alleys
people think it was made so that till be a safe home for Jews while the production of the Nazi gas chambers were officially made by "IBM"
another well known fact is that the USA didn't rescued the Jews ,their real saviors were the Russian.
a few weeks before the soviets made it into Auschwitz plains of the united states were passing by the camp for dozens of times with out destroying or harming it.

Palestine and Israel are a good scapegoat to the USA (again a strategically great position for the USA and great never stopping clients for the weapons of the USA - Israel is committed to buy weapons from the USA there are contracts about It. while Palestine is being armed by the support of Iran and Syria)

USA is rewriting history for more then 60 years now.
I mean most people don’t have any idea about the fact Japan was trying to surrender before the bombs were dropped a few weeks before.

As a Jew I am shocked at your point of view on Israel I thought that only neo-Nazis and Muslim extremists held such views.

From Wikipedia
A precursor to the Zionist movement of the later 1800s occurred with the 1820 attempt by journalist, playwright and American-born diplomat Mordecai Manuel Noah to establish a Jewish homeland on Grand Island, New York, (north of Buffalo, New York, USA). Noah called it "Ararat" after Mount Ararat, the Biblical resting place of Noah's Ark.
Before the 1890s there had already been attempts to settle Jews in Palestine, which was in the 19th century a part of the Ottoman Empire, inhabited (in 1890) by about 520,000 people, mostly Muslim and Christian Arabs but including 20-25,000 Jews. Pogroms in Russia led Jewish philanthropists such as the Montefiores and the Rothschilds to sponsor agricultural settlements for Russian Jews in Palestine in the late 1870s, culminating in a small group of immigrants from Russia arriving in the country in 1882. This has become known in Zionist history as the First Aliyah (aliyah is a Hebrew word meaning "ascent," referring to the act of spiritually "ascending" to the Holy Land. In modern Hebrew, this word is used in place of an equivalent to "immigration.").
Proto-Zionist groups such as Hibbat Zion were active in the 1880s in the Eastern Europe where emancipation had not occurred to the extent it did in Western Europe (or at all). The massive anti-Jewish pogroms following the assassination of Tsar Alexander II made emancipation seem farther than ever and influenced Judah Leib Pinsker to publish the pamphlet Auto-Emancipation in January 1, 1882. The pamphlet became influential for the Political Zionism movement.

As you can see there was desire for a Jewish State in Palestine well before WW2, in fact Jewish religious liturgy is full of references to the children of Israel one day returning to the Holy Land.

As far as US troops just passing by Auschwitz I think you need to cite your sources on that. As far as I know only Soviet Forces were even in Poland. Some information regarding Auschwitz reached the Allies during 1941-1944, such as the reports of Witold Pilecki and Jerzy Tabeau, but the claims of mass killings were generally dismissed as exaggerations. This changed with receipt of the very detailed report of two escaped prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, which finally convinced most Allied leaders of the truth about Auschwitz in the middle of 1944.
Detailed air reconnaissance photographs of the camp were taken accidentally during 1944 by aircraft seeking to photograph nearby military-industrial targets, but no effort was made to analyze them. (In fact, it was not until the 1970s that these photographs of Auschwitz were looked at carefully.)
Starting with a plea from the Slovakian rabbi Weissmandl in May 1944, there was a growing campaign to convince the Allies to bomb Auschwitz or the railway lines leading to it. At one point Winston Churchill ordered that such a plan be prepared, but he was told that bombing the camp would most likely kill prisoners without disrupting the killing operation, and that bombing the railway lines was not technically feasible.
toonagi
QUOTE(Musicisfree @ Jun 18 2006, 03:54 PM) [snapback]1966050[/snapback]

As a Jew I am shocked at your point of view on Israel I thought that only neo-Nazis and Muslim extremists held such views.

From Wikipedia
A precursor to the Zionist movement of the later 1800s occurred with the 1820 attempt by journalist, playwright and American-born diplomat Mordecai Manuel Noah to establish a Jewish homeland on Grand Island, New York, (north of Buffalo, New York, USA). Noah called it "Ararat" after Mount Ararat, the Biblical resting place of Noah's Ark.
Before the 1890s there had already been attempts to settle Jews in Palestine, which was in the 19th century a part of the Ottoman Empire, inhabited (in 1890) by about 520,000 people, mostly Muslim and Christian Arabs but including 20-25,000 Jews. Pogroms in Russia led Jewish philanthropists such as the Montefiores and the Rothschilds to sponsor agricultural settlements for Russian Jews in Palestine in the late 1870s, culminating in a small group of immigrants from Russia arriving in the country in 1882. This has become known in Zionist history as the First Aliyah (aliyah is a Hebrew word meaning "ascent," referring to the act of spiritually "ascending" to the Holy Land. In modern Hebrew, this word is used in place of an equivalent to "immigration.").
Proto-Zionist groups such as Hibbat Zion were active in the 1880s in the Eastern Europe where emancipation had not occurred to the extent it did in Western Europe (or at all). The massive anti-Jewish pogroms following the assassination of Tsar Alexander II made emancipation seem farther than ever and influenced Judah Leib Pinsker to publish the pamphlet Auto-Emancipation in January 1, 1882. The pamphlet became influential for the Political Zionism movement.

As you can see there was desire for a Jewish State in Palestine well before WW2, in fact Jewish religious liturgy is full of references to the children of Israel one day returning to the Holy Land.

As far as US troops just passing by Auschwitz I think you need to cite your sources on that. As far as I know only Soviet Forces were even in Poland. Some information regarding Auschwitz reached the Allies during 1941-1944, such as the reports of Witold Pilecki and Jerzy Tabeau, but the claims of mass killings were generally dismissed as exaggerations. This changed with receipt of the very detailed report of two escaped prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, which finally convinced most Allied leaders of the truth about Auschwitz in the middle of 1944.
Detailed air reconnaissance photographs of the camp were taken accidentally during 1944 by aircraft seeking to photograph nearby military-industrial targets, but no effort was made to analyze them. (In fact, it was not until the 1970s that these photographs of Auschwitz were looked at carefully.)
Starting with a plea from the Slovakian rabbi Weissmandl in May 1944, there was a growing campaign to convince the Allies to bomb Auschwitz or the railway lines leading to it. At one point Winston Churchill ordered that such a plan be prepared, but he was told that bombing the camp would most likely kill prisoners without disrupting the killing operation, and that bombing the railway lines was not technically feasible.

confused.gif youre shocked?

of what my dear?
of the truth? icon_neutral.gif

It’s a well known fact that the CIA had air photos of Auschwitz (they are stored in the Israeli air forces facility’s you can find those documents there if you like search about it.)
8 movies which shows clearly details about the camp the places where radiation experiments took place a clear wide photos of the area, the "Ai Ge Parben" factories ,the crematoriums and even lines of prisoners on their way to the gas chambers.
Search about it I won’t lie about this issue. I have relatives in Israel and my grandfather was Greek and lost most of his family in the camps. Anyway i'm not sure if it’s the right place to expand about this matter but I just have to add the testimony of Auschwitz survivor name Daniel Chanuch who said "I saw American airplanes in the sky of Auschwitz but they didn’t throw any bombes"
He claims that if the Americans would have bombed the 4 crematoriums and in about 4 or 5 crossroads’ of the trains trailers and save about half milion jews - not enough?? not a big enough number for such an "investment"?.
And the reason most of the Jewish representatives from Hungary for instance received from the Americans was that the cost of such an operation is far too high (well America seems to always have some problem with money when it comes to save life rather then when it comes to sale weapons... laugh.gif )
Anyway what I am trying to show is that most of the world in case anyone hasn’t knowtes is already conquered or controlled fully or partly by the USA.
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Musicisfree
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki from Wikipedia:

The Target Committee at Los Alamos on May 10–11, 1945, recommended Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama and the arsenal at Kokura as possible targets. The committee rejected the use of the weapon against a strictly military objective because of the chance of missing a small target not surrounded by a larger urban area. The psychological effects on Japan were of great importance to the committee members. They also agreed that the initial use of the weapon should be sufficiently spectacular for its importance to be internationally recognized. The committee felt Kyoto, as an intellectual center of Japan, had a population "better able to appreciate the significance of the weapon." Hiroshima was chosen because of its large size, its being "an important army depot and the potential that the bomb would cause greater destruction because the city was surrounded by hills which would have a "focusing effect".

Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson struck Kyoto from the list because of its cultural significance, over the objections of General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Project. According to Professor Edwin O. Reischauer, Stimson "had known and admired Kyoto ever since his honeymoon there several decades earlier." On July 25 General Carl Spaatz was ordered to bomb one of the targets: Hiroshima, Kokura, Niigata or Nagasaki as soon after August 3 as weather permitted and the remaining cities as additional weapons became available.

At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of considerable industrial and military significance. Even some military camps were located nearby, such as the headquarters of the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. Hiroshima was a minor supply and logistics base for the Japanese military. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. It was one of several Japanese cities left deliberately untouched by American bombing, allowing an ideal environment to measure the damage caused by the atomic bomb. Another account stresses that after General Spaatz reported that Hiroshima was the only targeted city without prisoner of war (POW) camps, Washington decided to assign it highest priority.

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.

In contrast to many modern aspects of Hiroshima, the bulk of the residences were of old-fashioned Japanese construction, consisting of wood or wood-frame buildings, with wood walls (with or without plaster), and tile roofs. Many of the smaller industries and business establishments were also housed in buildings of wood or other materials not designed to withstand explosions. Nagasaki had been permitted to grow for many years without conforming to any definite city zoning plan; residences were erected adjacent to factory buildings and to each other almost as closely as possible throughout the entire industrial valley.
Nagasaki had never been subjected to large-scale bombing prior to the explosion of a nuclear weapon there. On August 1, 1945, however, a number of conventional high-explosive bombs were dropped on the city. A few hit in the shipyards and dock areas in the southwest portion of the city, several hit the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works and six bombs landed at the Nagasaki Medical School and Hospital, with three direct hits on buildings there. While the damage from these bombs was relatively small, it created considerable concern in Nagasaki and many people principally school children were evacuated to rural areas for safety, thus reducing the population in the city at the time of the nuclear attack.

To the north of Nagasaki there was a camp holding British prisoners of war. They were working in the coal mines and only found out about the bombing when they came to the surface. For them, it was the bomb that saved their lives
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If you read that full article it shows that the US did not target civilians specifically both cities had significant military value in fact Kyoto was stricken from the list of possible targets due to its cultural significance to Japan. While the need to use the bomb to force Japans surrender is a subject of debate even in the US, to say that we used them with malicious intent and targeted civilians is a gross misstatement of the facts. You should cite you sources if indeed you have any.

I do not think you can call the presence of US forces Japan and Germany as an occupation. While I know that the US a huge amount of influence we do not however dictate policy to them. If the US were to pull out of Japan and the Japanese were to develop their military beyond the JDF what do think China would have to say about that. I realize that the US government sometimes abuses its power we are not the evil empire you would make us seem.
michinobu_zoned
QUOTE(Musicisfree @ Jun 18 2006, 04:54 PM) [snapback]1966050[/snapback]

As a Jew I am shocked at your point of view on Israel I thought that only neo-Nazis and Muslim extremists held such views.


Yeah, welcome to asiafinest, Musicisfree. You're probably the first person I've seen on here say that he's Jewish.
You'll find lots of anti-Jewish comments on here, paricuarly from the Chinese chatroom. But, most people here aren't all that focused on race as much as some of us on here are. Maybe now that we have a Jewish member, people might actually tone down the racist comments about Jews on here. Or, maybe you'll leave because you don't want to hear people argue with you about Isreal or how Jews rape Chinese women.


But, in case anyone wants to accusse me of being liar, just check this thread out:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64653
QUOTE(華夏無產 @ Feb 17 2006, 03:13 PM) [snapback]1565798[/snapback]

It's sad how some brainwashed Americans always think that they need to defend the poor, innocent Jews, and go our of their way to do it, when the Jews don't give two $hits about a goyum like yourself.


QUOTE(BahDukeplayer @ Feb 19 2006, 08:53 PM) [snapback]1572284[/snapback]

Jews are hypocrites, and racist themselves.

They hate black people too. My black friend told me that his brother tried to apply for a job at a company owned by a jew, but was denied a job offer for no obvious reason. But he's heard stories of how jews dislike blacks.

Jews also cater to their "own" people. They only hire jews, and jews only help other jew students when it comes to helping with school work, projects, etc.

Jews also run hollywood, and this is not bullsh_t make-up story, and are racist towards Asians, esp Asian males.
They portray us as small weak people, and a lot of jew males in NYC are dating (more like raping) Asian girls.

Damn those brassier head (whatever the hell they wear on their heads) people!!


QUOTE(BahDukeplayer @ Feb 22 2006, 05:42 AM) [snapback]1579516[/snapback]

those jews probably also superglue those caps to their chest when they feel like wearing a brassier.


QUOTE(ThaCraftiezt718 @ Feb 22 2006, 06:17 PM) [snapback]1580675[/snapback]

this is bs, dunno where u went man, i saw a video in class showing both the palestinian side and jewish side. The palestinians r fighting for there lives, fu-king always bullied and getting killed, and how they r retaliating rite now, Jews call them Terrorists LOL. Jews r the real terrorists, they practically stole the land of Israel from the Palestinians, claiming it was theres. Life for palestinians in Israel r horrible.


QUOTE(BahDukeplayer @ Feb 24 2006, 09:26 PM) [snapback]1587150[/snapback]

The point is, the jews are racist themselves, but when they feel attacked or when people disagree with them, that person is called an anti-semite.

Plus the jews are anti-Asian, especially against Asian guys. I know Chinese males are prohibited from dating or marrying jewish girls in Israel.

Yet, when I visit NYC, I see a $hitload of Asian girls holding hands with these vermins.


QUOTE(ktchong @ Jun 2 2006, 11:52 PM) [snapback]1913669[/snapback]

So what if I am anti-Semitic? I know and have worked with plenty of Jews. Jews themselves are anti-Chinese.

(Of course, being the typical liberal hypocrites as they are, they would deny that. But you do not judge people by their rhetorics or pretenses. You judge them by their *actions*, the products they make and the agendas they pursue. Of course again, those liberals always lecture other people not to judge -- but they just love to judge everyone else.)

If Jews can be anti-Chinese, we as Chinese have every reason to be anti-Semitic right back at them. We as the Chinese did not pick the fight with Jews. It is Jews who first came right at us to demonize, degrade and undermine us. I do not know why Jews can't just leave us alone.

Jews have the culture of going around picking fights and making enemies, and Chinese have the culture of being unforgiving and getting even. Sooner or later, Jews and Chinese are going to clash head-on.


QUOTE(ktchong @ Jun 3 2006, 03:00 AM) [snapback]1914089[/snapback]

Is the "Holocaust" really the worst tradgedy in history? Consider the death camps of Stalin's Siberian slave labor camps. Estimates run as high as 20 million died in the Gulags. Consider the killing fields of Cambodia (1975). One million killed by the Pol Pot regime in one week. More facts from history could be found. Why is this "Holocaust" getting all the limelight? Simple, look at the generous reparations paid out. Communist Russia and Pol Pot were bankrupt from the start.
Why did so many Jews go to Auschwitz?
The fare was free.
We apologise to any Jewish person who is offended by our jokes, but bad things happen to everyone, and claiming that your suffering deserves some sort of pity to a level beyond the respect that catholic sainthood has given people is so fu-king self-centered that it makes us sick. You are not special because you suffered. Can you say Salem Witch Trials? Did the witches get their own country after the church tried to exterminate them? Shut your self-serving mouths and get over it.
If Howard Stern can make jokes about Asians on the airwave all the time, then we can certainly make jokes about Jews once in a while.



QUOTE(juwanFromTaiwan @ Feb 25 2006, 08:05 AM) [snapback]1588343[/snapback]

Why would you compare a bunch of monopolizing schilocke-nosed misers to innocent Tibetans.. ? fu-k those k!ke bastards..
Why do Jews think they are the only Semites? Go look up the word Semite, Jew. When the K!ke controlled media reports on the attrocities Israelis commit on Palestinians and not make it a 1 sided view than maybe.. oh how bout you guys control every economic facet in the world and threaten new players? Honestly Hitler should have thrown all of you people in the Oven.. I hope you and if there is a White Power kill each other off.. Good ridance ...



QUOTE(michinobu_zoned @ Jun 6 2006, 01:15 PM) [snapback]1924850[/snapback]

The Jews never took the land from the Arabs. Arabs took it from them and the Brits took it from the Arabs who then gave it to the UN. It was the UN who gave it back to the Jews and the Arabs.


I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who's defended Jews from people who'd call you "vermin" and "kikes" and have defended Isreal's right to exist, but you have to admit Jews are over-represented in Congress. When Asians are 4.6% of the total US population, you'd think that there'd be at least 4 Asian senators, when there's only one who happens to be of Japanese descent. Whereas only 1% of the US population are Jewish and there's a handful of Jewish senators and many more congressmen.

Sorry, if I myself sound anti-semitic for bringing it up, but it's true.
toonagi
"or how Jews rape Chinese women."



WHAT THE HELL???
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Never heard of such nonsense

when ??? and where would the jews meet those chainese woman??
people are too bored i guess so they have to invent stupidity
Thel
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Why America Will Not End The Occupation Of Japan


Seeing as how Japan wants the U.S. to provide it with defense against N. Korean missiles, I'd say calling American forces occupiers sounds a little disingenuous and ungrateful.

But that's just IMHO.


tinman01
Question ? How much would it cost Japan to build a military force and maintain it as compared to having the USA do it for them?
As for Israel and the USA. I really don't think the USA owes Israel anything. Israel is well paid to be a part time (I use the term loosely) Friend. Israel has proven itself to be anything but a good friend. I have no issues with Jewish people but I do have an issue with providing Israel 260 billion in aide over the past 6 years or so, when they spy on the USA and sell the secrets they steal to the highest bidder.
Mangafan2
QUOTE(BigBenChow @ Jun 16 2006, 02:49 PM) [snapback]1959285[/snapback]

Why America Will Not End The Occupation Of Japan

Japan is an example of American occupation in action. Over 60 years Japan has not been Japan.



Tell me about it, where did all the samurais and ninja's go? icon_sad.gif
shaolin01
i support japan becoming the 51st state of america. stop toying around with them already....
Mua
QUOTE(michinobu_zoned @ Jun 19 2006, 03:06 AM) [snapback]1966544[/snapback]

Yeah, welcome to asiafinest, Musicisfree. You're probably the first person I've seen on here say that he's Jewish.
You'll find lots of anti-Jewish comments on here, paricuarly from the Chinese chatroom. But, most people here aren't all that focused on race as much as some of us on here are. Maybe now that we have a Jewish member, people might actually tone down the racist comments about Jews on here. Or, maybe you'll leave because you don't want to hear people argue with you about Isreal or how Jews rape Chinese women.
But, in case anyone wants to accusse me of being liar, just check this thread out:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64653
I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who's defended Jews from people who'd call you "vermin" and "kikes" and have defended Isreal's right to exist, but you have to admit Jews are over-represented in Congress. When Asians are 4.6% of the total US population, you'd think that there'd be at least 4 Asian senators, when there's only one who happens to be of Japanese descent. Whereas only 1% of the US population are Jewish and there's a handful of Jewish senators and many more congressmen.

Sorry, if I myself sound anti-semitic for bringing it up, but it's true.

and what the hell does that prove? that people dont want asians in politics or that asians dont want to go into politics
Suijen
It's a convienent location for the US to do stuff in Asia. I wouldn't give it up either, Hyuk.
Khanate
who the fu-k cares? ur not japanese so its none of ur concern.
Happy Asian
The Americans are always up to no good- I hate them.
tinman01
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Jun 25 2006, 12:18 PM) [snapback]1989043[/snapback]

The Americans are always up to no good- I hate them.

we hate you too. jk
Not all of us are evil guys Happy.
Some of us if we had our way like me, would prefer that we pull all of our troops home and rely on heavy duty ground pounding missiles if someone attacked us. Many americans don't feel we should be protecting foreigners or foreign assets. Having troops deployed all over the world is a burden many feel we can live without.
Believe it or not Many in the USA really really wish we would just worry about US concerns.
toonagi
QUOTE(tinman01 @ Jun 25 2006, 12:16 PM) [snapback]1989238[/snapback]

we hate you too. jk
Not all of us are evil guys Happy.
Some of us if we had our way like me, would prefer that we pull all of our troops home and rely on heavy duty ground pounding missiles if someone attacked us. Many americans don't feel we should be protecting foreigners or foreign assets. Having troops deployed all over the world is a burden many feel we can live without.
Believe it or not Many in the USA really really wish we would just worry about US concerns.


Ohayo !!!

listen dudes although it may sounds logical for you both
i mean to think you hate eachother
while mainly and basicly i think its your govermetns deed


so there i said it!
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tinman01
QUOTE(toonagi @ Jun 26 2006, 01:57 AM) [snapback]1990981[/snapback]

Ohayo !!!

listen dudes although it may sounds logical for you both
i mean to think you hate eachother
while mainly and basicly i think its your govermetns deed
so there i said it!
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Happy and I don't hate each other. Well I know that I don't hate happy and I don't think that happy hates me. We just agree that we disagree on many things.
toonagi
QUOTE(tinman01 @ Jun 27 2006, 03:20 PM) [snapback]1996152[/snapback]

Happy and I don't hate each other. Well I know that I don't hate happy and I don't think that happy hates me. We just agree that we disagree on many things.



groovie then
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gomeny
Japan's population is dwindling, they need a master and commander to protect them against possible DPRK agression.

running horse
this title reminds me of the movie Fists of Legend (Jet Lee)

I remember at the begening the say stop the occupation of China

is this thread about the same thing?
epicanthics
I for one would rather see a stronger (yes, military-wise) Japan than one that is embilically tied to the US. An effective way to prevent any new cold war from occuring is to have all potential involved states capable of moving on their own for their own interests, and thus not be bound to any one power. It's not good for any country to have to rely on another for its defense. While US and Japanese interests in the region converge, that might now be the case in the future. The point is to have room to maneuver no matter what the geopolitical landscape is, and outsourcing your defense is definitley not conducive to that.
tsxguy77
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Jun 25 2006, 12:18 PM) [snapback]1989043[/snapback]

The Americans are always up to no good- I hate them.


Its lonely at the top. biggthumpup.gif
epicanthics
QUOTE(tsxguy77 @ Jul 19 2006, 02:50 PM) [snapback]2067182[/snapback]

Its lonely at the top. biggthumpup.gif


no one likes 'em, but everyone wants to be 'em.
LaniKai
The Good , The Bad & The Ugly ...
China must be The Good ?
Vietnam The Ugly ?
tinman01
Let me ask you something. What do you suppose might have happened to Japan after WWII if the USA didn't set up bases there? Is it possible that some of Japans former victims may have sought revenge?
After WWII Stalin wanted a big piece of Japan for the Soviet Union. Then you had China who was quite understandably upset with Japan. Oh and lets not forget Korea, well actually all of Japans neighbors had some animosity towards Japan. The USA created a really nice shield that saved Japan from all sorts of possible payback action. Is it not fair to say the USA actually did Japan a favor by having bases on Japanese soil? Not to mention exclusive trade agreements all designed to help Japan recover. Big difference from the European cease fire imposed upon the losers of WWI wouldn't you say? Big difference from what the USSR did those countries that found themselves under stalins boot heal also. Now its no secret that Japan and Russia have never had a really friendly relationship like ever...
Just something to consider as you think of all the inconviences of a US force on Japanese soil.
By the way I would like nothing more than to bring all US forces home. We have a huge border to the south that would benifit from a military presence.
I like and respect the Japanese people. You recovered with dignity and kept your pride after a catastophic loss. people can take their shots at Japan but no one can say japan is a failure.
HaoHaoHao
Google "David Icke" and you will find all the answers....
tinman01
QUOTE(HaoHaoHao @ Jul 30 2006, 10:10 AM) [snapback]2107318[/snapback]

Google "David Icke" and you will find all the answers....

David Icke?? Isn't he a conspiracy theorist? I have already read some of his work. Although well written and at times thought provoking I don't see him as a credible source. I like to deal more in tangibles good thing I am not a quantum physisist. But please try to answer my questions from what you know or have seen via historical experience. Not trying to bash you.... I am asking you to think about what you have actually seen and experienced.
HaoHaoHao
QUOTE(tinman01 @ Jul 30 2006, 09:36 AM) [snapback]2107398[/snapback]

David Icke?? Isn't he a conspiracy theorist? I have already read some of his work. Although well written and at times thought provoking I don't see him as a credible source. I like to deal more in tangibles good thing I am not a quantum physisist. But please try to answer my questions from what you know or have seen via historical experience. Not trying to bash you.... I am asking you to think about what you have actually seen and experienced.


I had a close encounter of the third kind, I saw one of those "grey alien" extraterrestrials one day. And one of them communicated with me. It said that they were beings from the future that occupy the earth, and that everything that is happening and has happened is because of them and another hierarchy above them. It told me that I was right, there was no "God", it was all an invention of them. And that humanoids in the present have genetically manipulated themselves to look like reptiles. When I asked why did it visit me it told me that I was one of the few people that knew too much about what is going on and told me not to use that to my advantage because it would be unfair for others. Yes, 9/11 was an inside job and they used high tech to orchestrate what we saw, unless you know about it, you will see exposions in many parts of the Towers that were placed by several risk management/intelligence groups under the cover of Larry Silverstein upgrading the security devices after he bought the lease to the WTC a few weeks before 9.11.2001.
Bulldogg
This is definitely not a rocket scientist question.

If U.S.A can occupy all of Asia or colonize some parts of it they'll take it. They tried very hard with the formerly South Vietnam & failed miserably. They are somewhat successful with South Korea, & now Japan as it seems , the U.S.A have their foot in the door. As for Mongolia they are currently allys with the U.S.A as Mongolia sent troops tp Iraq for U.S.A's al- ji-had cause. Malayasia has followed in the path of the U.S.A as far as makeing their own flag so similiar to the U.S.A.

Just like the British Empire once was, Why not just come out & say U.S.A wants to control the whole world?

Of course that will never happen as long as rebel insurgence groups & guerilla groups will always be around in the S.E.A region. Western influence has always tried to penetrate into the heart of S.E.A, but they are always driven back out. Lets keep it that way, unless of course Japan are willing to be puppets to the U.S.A.
epicanthics
Malaysia's not in the USA's camp. They were the ones behind the ECA, "the caucus without caucasians." (actual words, Malaysian) PM
Suijen
Tinman is right in that if it were not the US putting bases there, it would have been the Soviets.

I doubt China and Korea would have done anything to Japan, considering that China can't even take Taiwan.
Chinese DesertFox
Friend Ogumo could have a field day with this issue.
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