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Japan lacks significant domestic sources of energy except coal and must import substantial amounts of crude oil, natural gas, and other energy resources, including uranium. Japan's nuclear output nearly doubled between 1985 and 1996, as Japan attempted to move away from dependence on oil following the 1973 Arab oil embargo. The Japanese Government is committed to nuclear power development, but several accidents in recent years have aroused public concern. During the past few years, public opposition to Japan's nuclear power program has increased in reaction to a series of accidents at Japanese nuclear plants, including a March 1997 fire and explosion at the Tokai-mura reprocessing plant. Other problems for Japan's nuclear power program have included rising costs of nuclear reactors and fuel, the huge investments necessary for fuel enrichment and reprocessing plants, several reactor failures, and the question of nuclear waste disposal. Regardless, Japan plans to increase the proportion of electricity generated from nuclear to 42% by 2010. Japan ranks third worldwide in installed nuclear capacity, behind the United States and France.

Enactment of the Atomic Energy Law (1955) introduced the promotion of atomic energy development and utilization toward peaceful objectives in compliance with the three basic principles of Democratic Management, Voluntary Action, and Open Information. Inauguration of the Atomic Energy Commission (1956) established an advisory board for the Prime Minister on matters regarding promotion of atomic energy development and utilization. Long-term planning for atomic power development began in 1956. Today, it is the basic program for the nation on nuclear power development and utilization. The plan is revised and updated every five years. The Ministry of International Trade and Industry was reorganized in 1966 to accommodate its increasing workload. This change provided additional rules and regulations for the introduction of commercial light water reactors in Japan after 1966.

In 1974, three basic laws for the promotion of electric power development were made into law; namely, the “Law for the Adjustment of Areas Adjacent to Power Generating Facilities”, the “Electric Power Development Promotion Tax Law”, and the “Special Account Law for Electric Power Promotion”. These laws also advanced the siting of nuclear power stations. In 1978, the Nuclear Safety Commission was formed as a separate entity from the Atomic Energy Commission. Safety assurance measures were enhanced in 1980 to reflect the lessons learned from the TMI-2 Accident (1979) and, later, the Chernobyl No. 4 Accident in 1986.

The overall appraisal of the Vision of Nuclear Power in 1986 provided long-range prospects of energy availability and electric power requirements through 2030, and a programme for enhancement of safety called “Safety 21”, which further reinforced safety assurance measures. In 1990, Japan revised its supply targets to include alternative energy sources to mitigate its growing demand for oil and its part in the greenhouse effect on the Earth.

At the end of 2000, Japan's total installed capacity of nuclear power plants was 45,082 MW. The total installed capability of nuclear power plants under construction and in the plan are 3,996 Mwe (4 plants) and 7,164 Mwe (6 plants) respectively.

To enhance its energy security, the government advocates uranium and plutonium recovery through reprocessing of spent fuel. Plutonium constitutes about 1% of the weight of spent reactor fuel. The Power Reactor and Nuclear Fuel Development Corporation (PNC) operates a reprocessing plant with an annual capacity of 90 tons but a larger reprocessing plant, Rokkasho-Mura, with a capacity of 800 tons per year, planned for 2003, is under construction. Reprocessing is expensive and costs can quickly rise with new safety requirements and the development of new technologies. Estimated in 1993 to cost about $8 billion, a more recent estimate for Rokkasho-Mura places the total at $15 billion. Japan also is interested in recycling recovered plutonium. In 1999, Japan began, in two prefectures, a controversial mixed-oxide utilization plan, which involves burning a highly toxic mix of plutonium and uranium on a commercial scale.

With a large store of plutonium, Japan mainly relies on Britain and France to recover plutonium from nuclear waste. Pacific Nuclear Transport Limited (PNTL) was set up in 1975 as a subsidiary company of BNFL [British Nuclear Fuels PLC]. It has shareholders from the UK, Japan and France. PNTL transports nuclear materials by sea between Japan and Europe. PNTL has five purpose-built ships. The five ships, along with BNFL's European Shearwater, are all managed by BNFL. The purpose-built ships that make up the PNTL fleet are classified as the highest safety category of the International Maritime Organisation, and have numerous safety features which is why over the last three decades they have securely and safely sailed over four and a half million miles. The recycling plants at La Hague and Sellafield turn the reusable uranium and plutonium into new fuel, called Mixed Oxide (MOX). The first transport of MOX fuel from Europe to Japan was completed successfully in 1999. Some people question whether transporting nuclear materials is a good idea and say it should not be done.

Tokyo pledged in 1991 that it would adhere to the principle of not retaining surplus plutonium. Since 1994, the Japanese Atomic Energy Commission (JAEC) has published annual inventories of separated plutonium. As of December 1995, the total inventory of separated plutonium managed by Japan was 16.1 tons, with 4.7 tons in Japan and 11.4 tons in Europe.

According to figures published by the Japan Atomic Energy Commission, by the end of 2001 Japan owned 38 tons of separated reactor-grade plutonium (RGPu), with about six tons stored in Japan and the rest in France and the UK. The amount stored in Japan increased by 400 kilograms during 2001 as a result of reprocessing at the Tokai facility of the Nuclear Fuel Cycle Development Institute.

By 2003 Japan owned more plutonium than in the United States nuclear arsenal. Japan has a large nuclear power program. In 2003 Japan owned 38 tons of plutonium, 5 tons located in the country and 33 tons at its European processors. That is enough for 7,000 nuclear weapons. Japan is also accelerating its production of plutonium. By 2010, the amount of plutonium being stockpiled in Europe will have mounted to 45 tons.

Japan is seeking to reduce its reliance on foreign uranium by recycling nuclear fuel that will make its plutonium stockpile grow even larger. Once the Rokkasho-mura reprocessing plant comes online in 2005, Japan will be able to produce 100 tons of plutonium by 2015. North Korea complained in public about 206 kilograms of missing plutonium from Japan's Tokai-mura facility.


Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/japan/nuke-power.htm

Is Japan weak in terms of military? No, Japan is visual nuclear power state
Ogumo
I think that I already made a thread on this.
barkerintokyo
Just because Japan has a lot of nuclear power plants and stores of plutonium does not mean that Japan has a great potential for nuclear weapons. Japan is in my opinion, the most pacifistic nation in the world and will never create nuclear weapons in no matter what circumstance. Japan's nuclear weapons policy for decades has been: Japan will not create nuclear weapons, Japan will not import nuclear weapons, and Japan will not use nuclear weapons. The prime minister who stated this policy won the Nobel Peace Prize for this and this nuclear weapons policy will never change. The Japanese people will not allow it. Japanese people now would rather die than go to war.
Ogumo
The Japanese people will not allow it. Japanese people now would rather die than go to war.

and that is just what will happen while the icbms rain down on japan. "We died in peace!" if that is truly to be the outcome for the rest of the japanese people. They deserve to all die. Personally I would rather japan go down in flames than remain victimized by miserable north korea. Eventually the crazy north korean dictator will attack. Then what? Is japan supposed to "talk" to those people then? I myself am japanese and will never understand the ridiculous logic behind not wanting to defend yourself from your aggresive neighbors.
barkerintokyo
I don't know how I would actually feel when the day comes where Japan starts to be attacked, but right now this is what I think I would feel: It is better to die as a victim than live on as an aggressor. Japan is already hated by so many nations and its people are still stereotyped as being the devilish yellow peril in the east. I personally haven't killed anyone or done anything terrible to another person's nation and neither have my parents or my friends or anyone that I know that is Japanese. My grandparents remember the war as they were children during it but they only did exactly what every other soldier in every other nation did. In at most ten or twenty years, all the people who actually took part in the war crimes would be dead but our guilt will still remain and the grudges held by other countries will as well. I don't know when history books will stop writing that Japan is an evil nation filled with savages and barbarians. If there is another situation like WWII where Japan has to go to war, I'd rather that Japan be protected by the US and disappear as a victim than survive it and be called the bad guys again for killing people. Nuclear weapons? Japan can't make or use them after what we saw in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Remember, we're the only nation in the history of mankind that has experienced nuclear weapons on human lives by the decision of a foreign power. We know.
Ogumo
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ May 22 2004, 11:26 PM)
I don't know how I would actually feel when the day comes where Japan starts to be attacked, but right now this is what I think I would feel: It is better to die as a victim than live on as an aggressor. Japan is already hated by so many nations and its people are still stereotyped as being the devilish yellow peril in the east. I personally haven't killed anyone or done anything terrible to another person's nation and neither have my parents or my friends or anyone that I know that is Japanese. My grandparents remember the war as they were children during it but they only did exactly what every other soldier in every other nation did. In at most ten or twenty years, all the people who actually took part in the war crimes would be dead but our guilt will still remain and the grudges held by other countries will as well. I don't know when history books will stop writing that Japan is an evil nation filled with savages and barbarians. If there is another situation like WWII where Japan has to go to war, I'd rather that Japan be protected by the US and disappear as a victim than survive it and be called the bad guys again for killing people. Nuclear weapons? Japan can't make or use them after what we saw in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Remember, we're the only nation in the history of mankind that has experienced nuclear weapons on human lives by the decision of a foreign power. We know.

Our views are wildly different. However I do understand where are speaking of and will not attack you for that. However you are falling into the trap that has been set... I have to ask you one question.

Do you honestly want japan to be victimized by it's neighbors? Do you know the types of extreme anti japan education that people in the region receive? Do you see how many of these countries are exploiting japan? Thretening to destroy our land? Think about that. Do you remember what japan did to the rest of asia 50 years ago? Do you want to give other nations the chance to do the same? Japan possibly become a colony or a third world nation? Japanese people suffering and dieing for nothing. Would that make you happy? I my self could not bare see such a thing. Unfortunately this is the apologetic path that our country is headed on. I see this sad future as a possibility for our country in the coming years.

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It is better to die as a victim than live on as an aggressor.


In the japan most likely would not be the aggressor even if it had a fully functional military.

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Japan is already hated by so many nations and its people are still stereotyped as being the devilish yellow peril in the east.


Why should japan concern it's self with their thoughts? We already know what nation is the real yellow peril. If they want to think of japan as evil let them have that thought. Just as long as japan can defend it's self from aggression. I do not care what the hell they think.


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personally haven't killed anyone or done anything terrible to another person's nation and neither have my parents or my friends or anyone that I know that is Japanese.


When the bombs and black rains come do you think that aggressors seeking revenge will care? I think not.

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In at most ten or twenty years, all the people who actually took part in the war crimes would be dead but our guilt will still remain and the grudges held by other countries will as well.


My friend you should not feel guilt over horrific acts that you have not commited. The moment you feel guilt for things that happened over 50 years ago. You will lose sight of what is really happening. This is part of the trap.


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I don't know when history books will stop writing that Japan is an evil nation filled with savages and barbarians.


Most likely never. The hate and patriotism that can be brought from the hate of japan is too great to be ignored. So it will continue.

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If there is another situation like WWII where Japan has to go to war, I'd rather that Japan be protected by the US and disappear as a victim than survive it and be called the bad guys again for killing people.


You have really fallen prey to actually believe AMERICA the most selfish country in the world that cannot even tolerate 700 deaths would protect japan if it had nothing to gain. Americans are people that only care for themselves. They have brought japanese into a false sense of security that will ultimately kill them. The americans are terrorists. Not saviors. Dont you think it is ridiculous for one country to rely on a another for protection?

I dont want japan to be a victim. I would rather japanese people be called the bad guys then. As long as japanese do nothing like what happened like it did 50 years ago and we were not the aggresor we would be fine. As I said asians will never stop demonizing japan. No matter how friendly japan becomes. I would rather japanese people be demonized and continue to live then be demonized and all be dead. People have to kill to survive sometimes. "Talk" will not save japan. Killing will.

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Nuclear weapons? Japan can't make or use them after what we saw in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Remember, we're the only nation in the history of mankind that has experienced nuclear weapons on human lives by the decision of a foreign power. We know.


This statement angers me. Yes hiroshima and nagasaki were the two worst incidents ever happen to anyone. However nuclear weapons can possibly prevent another hiroshima and nagasaki. Japan can be destroyed with out x nation sending out a person. This makes the possibility of japan being attacked higher. Though if japan had nuclear weapons of its own. 900 or so enough destroy several nations. This would deter most aggression because enemies would know "hey they can kill us all in a matter of minutes. Better not bother them." Now if you believe that america would retaliate against any nation that attacked japan. You are mistaken. They would not risk their population for the japanese. The reaction from them would be "good luck". This cannot be allowed to happen to japan.
barkerintokyo
You have the same mentality as the old American political leaders of the fifties. You believe in deterrence, massive retaliation, and brinksmanship. You cannot expect a country like Japan to follow the same foreign policies as a country who spends the greatest amount of money on military expenditures in the entire world. And you are right, the US is greedy but this is just a trait of capitalism. I think that being greedy is not a bad thing. Greed brings change for better and improvements in science/technology and also the arts. The US is motivated by greed/capitalism and it is in their self-interest to help Japan if it is ever attacked. Japan is one of the US's most important trading partners and if Japan is ever to be destroyed, the American economy would be in shambles. Not just the US, but almost every nation in the world would be affected. In this day and age, a world of globalization, interdependent economies, US cannot afford to let the second largest economy to disappear in war. Japan should stop listening to radicals who believe in nuclear power, they are tainting Japan's image.
Ogumo
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You have the same mentality as the old American political leaders of the fifties. You believe in deterrence, massive retaliation, and brinksmanship.


Perhaps. However I have lived in america for many years now. So it does not surprise me that I have picked up some of their ideas.The fact that america still stands despite soviet union being much larger than they. This shows me that their nuclera deterrence and "M.A.D." plan was successful in securing americas safety against aggression. It would be just as successful for japan. However japan does not need to waste money on thousands of nuclear weapons. 600-900 would be sufficient for japanese archipelago.

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You cannot expect a country like Japan to follow the same foreign policies as a country who spends the greatest amount of money on military expenditures in the entire world.


Japan spends almost as much money as america the last time I checked. sure.gif

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And you are right, the US is greedy but this is just a trait of capitalism. I think that being greedy is not a bad thing. Greed brings change for better and improvements in science/technology and also the arts.


This is a good statement. However this greed is not a "good thing" because american greed is harming japan and putting japanese citizens in danger. It is unacceptable greed.


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Japan is one of the US's most important trading partners and if Japan is ever to be destroyed, the American economy would be in shambles. Not just the US, but almost every nation in the world would be affected.


I still stand by my previous comment. If japan was met with nuclear threat or threat from a large country the americans would do nothing significant to save our lives. They cannot be trusted with japan's safety. No nation should have to trust another for safety.

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In this day and age, a world of globalization, interdependent economies, US cannot afford to let the second largest economy to disappear in war.


We will not be the second largest economy forever. Japan will become more and more expendable to the tyrannical americans.


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Japan should stop listening to radicals who believe in nuclear power, they are tainting Japan's image.


Sigh..you have been listening to nagasaki mayor too much... To say that these men that believe in nuclear power are radicals is absurd. Perhaps you should explain more. Japan's image? Image of what? Being subserviant to america?
CJK
what was the point of all that drivel in the initial post? Who cares who creates the most plutonium...You sound like you mean that as if it's a good thing. And to me transporting plutonium from the english channel to Japan is insane...it's only a matter of time that something bad will happen. Instead of glorifying the uses of plutonium we should be looking forward to a world being fueled by fusion. It's not impossible.
TDMoon360
I'm surprised the Japanese don't use more alternative energy sources like geothermal (they have lots of volcanos and stuff), tidal wave, biodiesel and hydrogen fuel cell, and solar (in the south).

They are doing great things with hyrdoget fuel cell cars! That's the future right there!
Ogumo
QUOTE (TDMoon360 @ May 25 2004, 04:39 PM)
I'm surprised the Japanese don't use more alternative energy sources like geothermal (they have lots of volcanos and stuff), tidal wave, biodiesel and hydrogen fuel cell, and solar (in the south).

They are doing great things with hyrdoget fuel cell cars! That's the future right there!

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I'm surprised the Japanese don't use more alternative energy sources like geothermal (they have lots of volcanos and stuff)


Many of the volcanos are unactive.


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tidal wave, biodiesel and hydrogen fuel cell,


Yeah japan has more than enough tidal wave happening... Also I remember hearing that biodiesel was not that good of a source of power. Also the hydrogen fuel cell has to be developed...

You also mentioned solar power. It is far too expensive and unreliable to run a country on solar power.
CJK
Japan doesnt need nukes when it has the US to back it up during any confrontation or invasion. It would cause much uproar in surrounding countries and possibly lead to an arms race. The Koreans and Chinese still harbour a lot of distrust towards Japan and it wouldnt make sense to dig a deeper hole for relations-sake. The question of possessing nukes by Japan as well as S Korea has arisen numerous times at each of their respective parliaments, but it's not worth the outcome as well as the United States not ever giving permission to do so. What does it matter anyway...countries with such nuclear knowhow like Japan and S Korea could probably create a functioning nuke in under a years time, which many scientists have estimated.

Say no to nuke proliferation.
Ogumo
QUOTE (CJK @ May 25 2004, 11:13 PM)
Japan doesnt need nukes when it has the US to back it up during any confrontation or invasion. It would cause much uproar in surrounding countries and possibly lead to an arms race. The Koreans and Chinese still harbour a lot of distrust towards Japan and it wouldnt make sense to dig a deeper hole for relations-sake. The question of possessing nukes by Japan as well as S Korea has arisen numerous times at each of their respective parliaments, but it's not worth the outcome as well as the United States not ever giving permission to do so. What does it matter anyway...countries with such nuclear knowhow like Japan and S Korea could probably create a functioning nuke in under a years time, which many scientists have estimated.

Say no to nuke proliferation.

I see we will go at it again...

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Japan doesnt need nukes when it has the US to back it up during any confrontation or invasion.


America has no intention of doing this.

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It would cause much uproar in surrounding countries and possibly lead to an arms race.


It would cause uproar? Of course. However japan should be able to defend its self. All of these nations hold the same right. Also there would undoubtedly be a arms race. As long as it is not as bad as the america and soviet one it will not be that bad.

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The Koreans and Chinese still harbour a lot of distrust towards Japan and it wouldnt make sense to dig a deeper hole for relations-sake.


China doubles its military spending and has nukes. It is far more dangerous than japan. Japan should be able to defend it's self from its neighbors even at the risk of losing relations.


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The question of possessing nukes by Japan as well as S Korea has arisen numerous times at each of their respective parliaments, but it's not worth the outcome as well as the United States not ever giving permission to do so.


The only thing that really stops japan from building nukes is the anti nuke japan population. I have been reading articles that suggest that the americans would not give a damn about japan arming with such weapons. However I am sure they would not want america to be within range. I believe that I posted one of the articles somewhere here. Just look through this forum.

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What does it matter anyway...


It matters because japan will be bullied by it's neighbors that have nukes in the future. Japan is surrounded by countries with nukes and it has none. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
barkerintokyo
Whatever you say is not going to change Japan's policies. It is a democracy and the people don't want nuclear weapons. Whatever good reason you think you have, it's not going to convince anyone here. I for one, no matter how many good reasons you may bring up, no matter how logical it is, I am against Japan ever possessing nuclear weapons. I don't want a Dr. Strangelove-type situation to ever arise. I don't think that I have been brain-washed by Japanese education system or anything since I attend an international school but I think that Japan should try to stay low for a couple more decades and when all the hot-blooded Koreans and Chinese are dead and left with a more moderate generation of younger people, we can being to think about changing the kenpou and getting an official army recognized by other nations. Every day, on my way to school I listen to tons of people with megaphones calling for our SDF to return from Iraq and opposing war as a method of solving international conflicts. I don't think I've been hypnotized by these people, but they are right. Nuclear power or war at all is not something we Japanese can do. My grandparents agree that their generation was brainwashed into having extreme supernationalism and that the greatest thing we can do now is protect the peace we have. Better to have no one dying at all. Besides, Japan-Chinese and Japan-Korean relations are getting better all the time. Last year, we had the World Cup with Korea and they started allowing Japanese films and music to be sold. The Chinese need Japan more and more as they transform into a capitalistic nation. Please, don't ever talk about having nuclear weapons. Japan's greatest asset is its pacifism. That's the greatest trait of the Japanese DNA, we are very kind and peaceful people.
Ogumo
My friend....you speak of the hot blooded koreans and chinese. Yes the war generation will die soon. However their hot blood will remain with the younger generations. Their death wont really make a difference. Infact most chinese youth especially hate japanese people. As I said before if you disagree with me fine this is acceptable. I always look for what other japanese have to say. In anycase I think of the best interests of the japanese people in the long run. If you think the chinese and the koreans don't think this way of their own. You are incorrect. I also disagree about the ridiculous idea of pacifism being japans best asset. Perhaps in the perfect world yes. Not in the year 2004. As I have said we have different outlooks. I respect yours. The least you can do is respect mine.
huaren
Ogumo, I couldn’t agree with you anymore.

[quote]The Japanese people will not allow it. Japanese people now would rather die than go to war. [/quote]No, you are wrong. From the Japanese government action, It clearly stated that Japan wanted to have nuclear weapons. Only because of the American put pressure on Japan, until now Japan unable to produce any nuclear weapons.

[quote]and that is just what will happen while the icbms rain down on japan. "We died in peace!" if that is truly to be the outcome for the rest of the japanese people. They deserve to all die. [/quote]I don’t think Japan will end up like what you said, who know Japan may already secretly building up their own nuclear weapons. Moreover, Japan have missle defence which can defence herself from nuclear.

[quote]Personally I would rather japan go down in flames than remain victimized by miserable north korea. Eventually the crazy north korean dictator will attack. Then what? Is japan supposed to "talk" to those people then? I myself am japanese and will never understand the ridiculous logic behind not wanting to defend yourself from your aggresive neighbors.[/quote]Is this a joke? I would say that Japan is crazier than North Korea. North Korea doesn’t have a black history like Japan have. Invading other country and killing innocent people that Japan have done, that’s what I call crazy.

[quote]Our views are wildly different. However I do understand where are speaking of and will not attack you for that. However, you are falling into the trap that has been set... I have to ask you one question.[/quote]I say you are the one who falling into the trap that has been set.

[quote]Do you honestly want japan to be victimized by it's neighbors? Do you know the types of extreme anti japan education that people in the region receive? Do you see how many of these countries are exploiting japan? Thretening to destroy our land? [/quote]Ogumo, do you honestly think that Japan will not repeat the WW2 history? The Japanese government already show a lot of sign that Japan have an interest in conquering the world. An example will be Kozumi, he still worship the war crime although a lot of country that suffered from WW2 protest. This already proved that Japanese government still has the intention to conquer other country.

[quote]Think about that. Do you remember what japan did to the rest of asia 50 years ago? Do you want to give other nations the chance to do the same? Japan possibly become a colony or a third world nation? [/quote]And you think about it, did Japan apologize for its past war crime? Why would country that suffered from Japanese invasion forgive Japan and give them freedom to build their military if Japans till not even apologize for their past warcrime. How hard is it to apologize?

[quote]Japanese people suffering and dieing for nothing. Would that make you happy? I my self could not bare see such a thing. Unfortunately this is the apologetic path that our country is headed on. I see this sad future as a possibility for our country in the coming years.[/quote]Why don’t you think of other people you evil slut. Japanese only suffer from that stupid atom bomb and only a few hundred thousand of Japanese die. Where in other country like China, 20++ million people tortured to dead. What an @$$hole. Japanese suffered and dieing for nothing, fu-k you.

[quote]In the japan most likely would not be the aggressor even if it had a fully functional military.[/quote]Thinking about the WW2, we already know how aggressive is Japan is.

[quote]Why should japan concern it's self with their thoughts? We already know what nation is the real yellow peril. If they want to think of japan as evil let them have that thought. Just as long as japan can defend it's self from aggression. I do not care what the hell they think.[/quote]Ogumo, you have no proof to guarantee that Japan will not invade other country is she has the freedom to build up her military.

[quote]When the bombs and black rains come do you think that aggressors seeking revenge will care? I think not.[/quote]Fools. When Japan have nuclear they will also fight back. Moreover, I still say that Japan will start a nuclear war first if they have one.

[quote]Most likely never. The hate and patriotism that can be brought from the hate of japan is too great to be ignored. So it will continue.[/quote]Japan is evil, I don’t see why the history book should stop writing how evil is Japan is in WW2 era.

[quote]I dont want japan to be a victim. I would rather japanese people be called the bad guys then. [/quote]Good, you have proved you are a evil slut.

[quote]As long as japanese do nothing like what happened like it did 50 years ago and we were not the aggresor we would be fine. As I said asians will never stop demonizing japan. No matter how friendly japan becomes. [/quote]Bull$hit, Japan never be friendly. Just look at Japan now, chaning the WW2 history and make Japan look so innocent. fu-k u. People protest Kozami to worship the shrine, but he still ignore and worship the war crime in WW2.

[quote]I would rather japanese people be demonized and continue to live then be demonized and all be dead. People have to kill to survive sometimes. "Talk" will not save japan. Killing will.[/quote]Yes another sentence that prove that you are evil slut. Ogumo,

[quote]This statement angers me. Yes hiroshima and nagasaki were the two worst incidents ever happen to anyone. However nuclear weapons can possibly prevent another hiroshima and nagasaki. Japan can be destroyed with out x nation sending out a person. [/quote]What an @$$hole, you don’t like the nuclear weapons that bomb Japan? Than face it, it already happen. This is what we call God punlish Japan. And this is also what we call exchage. Why don’t you think how many peple have Japanes soldier killed during WW2? Hey, more than the one dead during the Nagasaki and Hiroshiman incident. Again, what an @$$hole.

[quote]This makes the possibility of japan being attacked higher. Though if japan had nuclear weapons of its own. 900 or so enough destroy several nations. This would deter most aggression because enemies would know "hey they can kill us all in a matter of minutes. Better not bother them." [/quote]Blah blah, Ogumo. Again I repeat, Japan cant have their own nuclear weapon, Japan can become more crazier than North Korea. If Japan have atom weapon during WW2, the history book will be different. See the different?

[quote]China doubles its military spending and has nukes. It is far more dangerous than japan. Japan should be able to defend it's self from its neighbors even at the risk of losing relations.[/quote]Bull$hit, China doubles its military spending is only to defend her country. Not to use their weapons to war. Where Japan is completely a different story.

[quote]The only thing that really stops japan from building nukes is the anti nuke japan population. I have been reading articles that suggest that the americans would not give a damn about japan arming with such weapons. However I am sure they would not want america to be within range. I believe that I posted one of the articles somewhere here. Just look through this forum.[/quote]That’s why Japan is very danger, neighhour country should keep their eyes on Japan.

[quote]t matters because japan will be bullied by it's neighbors that have nukes in the future. Japan is surrounded by countries with nukes and it has none. This is a disaster waiting to happen.[/quote]Keep dreaming, no one will nuke Japan. Nuclear war will probably started by Japan if Japan have nuke.

[quote]My friend....you speak of the hot blooded koreans and chinese. Yes the war generation will die soon.[/quote]War generation will die soon, yes it will die soon. Unfortunately in Japan, the war generation will continue. Their imperial Japan dream is always in their mind.

[quote]Their death wont really make a difference. Infact most chinese youth especially hate japanese people. As I said before if you disagree with me fine this is acceptable.[/quote]
Good, you are an understanding evil slut.
CJK
i agree with barkerintokyo. Japan's pacifist constitution is a great asset. Cant be wrong, look at where Japan is today. And im pretty sure Japan can defend herself without the possession of nukes. I think as much as Japan could use a few nukes as a deterrent what would all those deaths in Hiroshima and Nagasaki be worth? All those deaths in vain....a country that hasnt learned from its past....in theory, a country that would like more Hiroshima's and Nagasaki's as long as its not on Japanese soil.
Ogumo
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Is this a joke? I would say that Japan is crazier than North Korea.


Well Im not even going to touch the rest of that bull$hit you wrote. I didnt read it all but I have the feeling it is the same ridiculous rambling as usual. "China wont harm anyone because we havent done it in the past and japan will blah blah fu-king blah" I also so the word evil written a few times. So yeah I dont even need to read it fully to tell that your comments are garbage. Perhaps next you should come at me with a real arguement and less name calling eh? Good day huaren. beerchug.gif

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think as much as Japan could use a few nukes as a deterrent what would all those deaths in Hiroshima and Nagasaki be worth?


Japanese nuclear weapons would most likely prevent another hiroshima and nagasaki.
barkerintokyo
I kinda feel sorry for Huaren, he's just a victim of China's education system. There are thousands of more just like them and it's all because of the government they have. They will never understand until something changes in China.

Japanese nuclear weapons will not stop another Nagasaki and Hiroshima in my opinion. I think that it will only increase the chances of another one, either in Japan or another country. Whereever it may happen, nuclear weapons are a tragedy. Some scientists believe that the most painful way to die is from radiation sickness. I don't want anyone to have to suffer that. This is gonna sound mathematical but, nuclear arms races aren't a zero-sum game. When two players compete in a nuclear arms race, this is a clear loss-loss situation. When both act in their own self-interest, it is not always beneficial to the whole as Adam Smith said. John Nash, who received the Nobel Prize for his work, did fabulous work on game theory stating that there are certain situations in which acting in self-interest is not always beneficial. Like the prisoner's dilemma, when the two players do not talk things out, acting to save oneself causes mutual damage. While the game has a totally different outcome when there is cooperation.

Japan is a very peaceful country. Japanese people like to talk. The Japanese have lost all our pride because of WWII and we have no more face to save. We can talk things out and we can stay out of stupid arms races.
huaren
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I kinda feel sorry for Huaren, he's just a victim of China's education system. There are thousands of more just like them and it's all because of the government they have. They will never understand until something changes in China.

Unfortunately, my friend, I am not from China. I born in Malaysia and migrated to Australia recently. My education is from Malaysia and private university. I only go to Chinese school when I am in primary school. I never have any China education before my friend.

And yes btw, do you know that the Japanese are changing their history about WW2? Im sure you know that. I know your treat, blame China for everything huh?

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Japanese nuclear weapons will not stop another Nagasaki and Hiroshima in my opinion. I think that it will only increase the chances of another one, either in Japan or another country. Whereever it may happen, nuclear weapons are a tragedy. Some scientists believe that the most painful way to die is from radiation sickness. I don't want anyone to have to suffer that.

A question to you, do you think Japan deserve for the Nagasaki and Hiroshima incident?

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Japan is a very peaceful country.

Yeah right

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Japanese people like to talk.

But I heard a lot of complain that Japanese in Australia, US, etc say that Japanese are very arrogant? While in Japan, there are numbers of restaurant which put a sign and say “Foreigners are not allow?”

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The Japanese have lost all our pride because of WWII and we have no more face to save. We can talk things out and we can stay out of stupid arms races.

No you didn’t lost your pride, you proof that you can become a superpower even thought Japan is small. And honestly that is admirable. The sad thing is only the Japanese people are evil.
Ogumo
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ May 29 2004, 08:11 AM)
I kinda feel sorry for Huaren, he's just a victim of China's education system. There are thousands of more just like them and it's all because of the government they have. They will never understand until something changes in China.

Japanese nuclear weapons will not stop another Nagasaki and Hiroshima in my opinion. I think that it will only increase the chances of another one, either in Japan or another country. Whereever it may happen, nuclear weapons are a tragedy. Some scientists believe that the most painful way to die is from radiation sickness. I don't want anyone to have to suffer that. This is gonna sound mathematical but, nuclear arms races aren't a zero-sum game. When two players compete in a nuclear arms race, this is a clear loss-loss situation. When both act in their own self-interest, it is not always beneficial to the whole as Adam Smith said. John Nash, who received the Nobel Prize for his work, did fabulous work on game theory stating that there are certain situations in which acting in self-interest is not always beneficial. Like the prisoner's dilemma, when the two players do not talk things out, acting to save oneself causes mutual damage. While the game has a totally different outcome when there is cooperation.

Japan is a very peaceful country. Japanese people like to talk. The Japanese have lost all our pride because of WWII and we have no more face to save. We can talk things out and we can stay out of stupid arms races.

Sometimes I wonder...sigh...

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Japanese nuclear weapons will not stop another Nagasaki and Hiroshima in my opinion. I think that it will only increase the chances of another one, either in Japan or another country.


I disagree. I feel that if japan was to arm with enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire region most likely no one would attack japan. With out nuclear weapons in the coming decades the other nations that have them will begin to bully japan. This could possibly lead to nuclear attack against japan.


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Whereever it may happen, nuclear weapons are a tragedy.


Agreed. Hopefully no one will ever have to suffer under such a thing.

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When both act in their own self-interest, it is not always beneficial to the whole as Adam Smith said.


This is true. However most nations with since do not follow such a thing. Japan must only act with self interest as well.

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John Nash, who received the Nobel Prize for his work, did fabulous work on game theory stating that there are certain situations in which acting in self-interest is not always beneficial.


It is beneficial to one self. This is all that matters in the end.


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Japan is a very peaceful country.


Too peaceful for it's own good.


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The Japanese have lost all our pride because of WWII and we have no more face to save.


Not quite. They have pride in being exploited by america and north korea. Thats all that matter right? beerchug.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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We can talk things out and we can stay out of stupid arms races.


Talking is fine. However japan must have a means to back up it's words with force.
barkerintokyo
There are no such signs in Japan that say "No foreigners" or anything along those lines. I have no idea where you got that idea. That would obviously be against millions of laws protecting people's civil rights.

Japanese people tend to be the farthest from being arrogant. It is a cultural personality to be very modest in Japan. When talking, one must observe many grammatical and logical rules that were created for the sole purpose of being modest and preventing arrogance. Japanese is very difficult to learn for foreigners because of the many intricacies of its language involving rank and modesty. Japanese people have a tendency to be overly kind to newly met people and your "arrogance" quote is just a display of your ignorance and your lack of research.
Ogumo
Japanese people have a tendency to be overly kind to newly met people and your "arrogance" quote is just a display of your ignorance and your lack of research.


Ughh...yes. You don't want to take huaren too seriously. His mission is to make japanese people look bad.
Siu Wai
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ May 31 2004, 06:14 AM)
There are no such signs in Japan that say "No foreigners" or anything along those lines. I have no idea where you got that idea. That would obviously be against millions of laws protecting people's civil rights.

Japanese people tend to be the farthest from being arrogant. It is a cultural personality to be very modest in Japan. When talking, one must observe many grammatical and logical rules that were created for the sole purpose of being modest and preventing arrogance. Japanese is very difficult to learn for foreigners because of the many intricacies of its language involving rank and modesty. Japanese people have a tendency to be overly kind to newly met people and your "arrogance" quote is just a display of your ignorance and your lack of research.

I'll tell you where he got that idea from... Look at all the recent events Ogumo posted about Japan wanting the U.S. military forces out because they were making a ruckus around and causing trouble... So what... They aren't going to leave because we have a stupid president who doesn't know any better...

As for the nukes... Without them you can be sure that they wouldn't use them on anyone...

Overly kind?

Tell that to the woman who wants Japan to be re-armed with weapons... And use it for what? To help with the Iraq war? To keep American forces out? To create another war? To defend themselves from other countries? What other countries? Are the terrorists coming after them?
barkerintokyo
Japan has been threatened by the Al Qaeda and many other terrorist groups that a terrorist attack on Japan is imminent. Japan is another country besides America that represents opulence, capitalism, and free democracy. Public places such as train stations have taken the initiative and gotten rid of their trash bins because of potential bombings. Japan needs to be defended from N. Korea as well as from terrorist. You see, Japan needs to be able to defend themsevles from many threats.

But nuclear weapons are not ways to defend yourself. It is a just a way to destroy the human race.
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