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drunk_on_tea
May 12 2004, 09:21 PM
Thừa Thiên- Huế: Phát hiện một thẻ bài quư hiếm thời vua Hàm Nghi

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Chiếc thẻ bài này do bác sĩ, nhà sưu tầm đồ cổ Nguyễn Anh Huy (220 Chi Lăng, Huế) phát hiện được ở Tân Sở, Quảng Trị.
Thẻ bài có h́nh chữ nhật, một mặt ghi 4 chữ “Hàm Nghi niên chế”; một mặt ghi hai chữ: “Thượng công”. Đây là một trong những hiện vật quư hiếm. Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”, nên những hiện vật liên quan đến Hàm Nghi, ông vua yêu nước, đă bị thu hồi. Theo các nhà nghiên cứu, thẻ bài này là một loại huy chương của vua Hàm Nghi dùng ban thưởng cho các nghĩa quân trong phong trào Cần Vương




Courtesy of tintucvietnam.net
tattra
May 12 2004, 09:37 PM
Did they say what kind of metal it was, D.O. T ? ... and anyone knows what exactly the word "đạo dụ" mean ?

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Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”
Doan Du
May 12 2004, 11:24 PM
QUOTE (tattra @ May 12 2004, 10:37 PM)
Did they say what kind of metal it was, D.O. T ? ... and anyone knows what exactly the word "đạo dụ" mean ?

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Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”

Directive?

I am sure it's gold.
drunk_on_tea
May 13 2004, 12:11 AM
QUOTE (Doan Du @ May 12 2004, 10:24 PM)
QUOTE (tattra @ May 12 2004, 10:37 PM)
Did they say what kind of metal it was, D.O. T ? ... and anyone knows what exactly the word "đạo dụ" mean ?

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Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”

Directive?

I am sure it's gold.

You sure DoanDu? It looks like regular metal to me, maybe it's the photography.
What was the Can Vuong movement all about?
Nam Quoc Son Ha
May 13 2004, 12:28 AM
QUOTE (Doan Du @ May 13 2004, 12:24 AM)
QUOTE (tattra @ May 12 2004, 10:37 PM)
Did they say what kind of metal it was, D.O. T ? ... and anyone knows what exactly the word "đạo dụ" mean ?

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Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”

Directive?

I am sure it's gold.

Don't be so sure. Doesn't look anything like gold.
Doan Du
May 13 2004, 12:39 AM
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ May 13 2004, 01:11 AM)
QUOTE (Doan Du @ May 12 2004, 10:24 PM)
QUOTE (tattra @ May 12 2004, 10:37 PM)
Did they say what kind of metal it was, D.O. T ? ... and anyone knows what exactly the word "đạo dụ" mean ?

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Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”

Directive?

I am sure it's gold.

You sure DoanDu? It looks like regular metal to me, maybe it's the photography.
What was the Can Vuong movement all about?

In a nutshell, Can Vuong was the movement designed by Ton That Thuyet and Nguyen van Tuong - Ham Nghi's most trusted and senior mandarins - to fight French control on the Vietnamese throne.

It was poorly planned and executed. Ham Nghi was caught by the French and sent in exile in Reunion island. Ham Nghi later married a French woman and lived out his days on the island. Both TTT and NVT committed suicide.

Ton That Thuyet and Nguyen van Tuong were ignorant men. They didn't know then that China was even weaker than Vietnam at that point in time. They advised Ham Nghi to give away Tonkin (North Vietnam) to China in order to save it from the French whom they perceived as evil and uncivilized.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
May 13 2004, 12:46 AM
QUOTE (Doan Du @ May 13 2004, 01:39 AM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ May 13 2004, 01:11 AM)
QUOTE (Doan Du @ May 12 2004, 10:24 PM)
QUOTE (tattra @ May 12 2004, 10:37 PM)
Did they say what kind of metal it was, D.O. T ? ... and anyone knows what exactly the word "đạo dụ" mean ?

QUOTE
Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”

Directive?

I am sure it's gold.

You sure DoanDu? It looks like regular metal to me, maybe it's the photography.
What was the Can Vuong movement all about?

In a nutshell, Can Vuong was the movement designed by Ton That Thuyet and Nguyen van Tuong - Ham Nghi's most trusted and senior mandarins - to fight French control on the Vietnamese throne.

It was poorly planned and executed. Ham Nghi was caught by the French and sent in exile in Reunion island. Ham Nghi later married a French woman and lived out his days on the island. Both TTT and NVT committed suicide.

Ton That Thuyet and Nguyen van Tuong were ignorant men. They didn't know then that China was even weaker than Vietnam at that point in time. They advised Ham Nghi to give away Tonkin (North Vietnam) to China in order to save it from the French whom they perceived as evil and uncivilized.

WTF? Giving our land to China? I can't believe they even think of it. madgo.gif
Doan Du
May 13 2004, 12:47 AM
I am only speculating but The Bai is the Vietnamized version of Kim Bai (Chinese Jin Pai) or Gold tablet. It's what the emperor or king used in the old days to issue special orders or directives.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
May 13 2004, 12:49 AM
Kim bai doesn't have to be gold. Some where made of silver or other lesser metals.
Doan Du
May 13 2004, 12:56 AM
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ May 13 2004, 01:49 AM)
Kim bai doesn't have to be gold. Some where made of silver or other lesser metals.

Kim = gold

I think the emperor has a prestige to protect. Anything that carries or signifies his word or his order has to be made out of precious metal.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
May 13 2004, 12:58 AM
Yes I know kim= gold. What I'm saying is that they're not exclusively made of gold.
tattra
May 13 2004, 06:24 AM
[quote=Doan Du,May 13 2004, 12:24 AM] [QUOTE]Bởi sau khi vua Đồng Khánh lên ngôi (1886), đă ra đạo dụ: “Cấm dùng hai chữ Hàm Nghi”[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
Directive?

I am sure it's gold. [/quote]
Thanks Doan Du.
DAI_VIET
May 13 2004, 06:52 PM
Goddamn Dong Khanh.
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