but not all Vietnameses are under the same flag.


Vietnam can benefits much from the knowledge of those that left the country 31 years ago.

What must the goverment of Vietnam compromise on inorder to united everyone under one flag? What does oversea Vietnamese have compromise on about Vietnam goverment to directly help the country?

I am sure there are more than a handful that will do much work if the right condition is meet.

The government is too corrupt to be able to deal with. People that goes back have a chance of being imprision for beliefs that are different those of the communist control government. Police still knock on your door because they know that Viet Kieu are afraid of them. They will ask for bribe. Even Viet Kieu own bussiness suffer much more than foreign own because Vietnamese overseas own bussiness get more harrassment than the foreign one's. Until there is a rule of laws that EVERYONE including the PARTY and its cadres. People overseas with the capitals and capability to invest in Vietnam will not risk their hard earn moneys on an investment that is very risky because they know that the there is no laws (only written on paper but not practice) that will protect them from abuses by corrupt government.

Even though I don't support the VNCH regime, I will never be united under the red flag with yellow star, a flag that represents corruption and oppression. I will come back to rebuilt the country, but that's to help my people, not the regime. I will educate them about the sins of this regime and open their eyes and minds to the thoughts of freedom, Democracy and prosperity. This government will not last for long, and I will lend a hand to make that day realized sooner.

All Overseas Vietnamese must use their economic power and knowledge to bring PROSPERITY, FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY to Vietnam.

We send billions of dollars to Vietnam to help the country and effectively keeps this regime afloats, so now let's use that power effectively to overthrow this dictatorial regime. You can do your bit by talking to people you meet in Vietnam about such ideals and educate them about it, for their brains are clouded by propaganda and information firewalls. Over 400,000 of us visits our homeland annually so let's do our bit to transform the country for the better.

Knowledge is much more important.
I dont want political instability. It = disaster for Vietnam. The best thing overseas Vietnamese to do is to show the difference between the standard of livings of vietnam and other countries in the region. Vietnamese people will be intelligent enough to know what to do. The need to establish a system of organisation/governance is not as important as, or is a result of, the basic physical need such as eating, drink pure water, breath fresh air [human wants and desire drive everything, society of human, apes, animal,...developed like that. For example, Man hunting, women gathering system is driven by that physical need]. So just let the economy develop in the capitalistic way, eventually the equilibrium will be established.

Vietnam today is a good source of cheap labors for other developed countries. Eventually and slowly the people will get rid of communist invaders and we overseas will help them in the process. Vietnam will be free again!

peace with Ngụy?

there will be peace when
pigs fly
heo nái leo cây
hell freezes over
...

sao mấy người cộng sãn vẫn còn nghe lời trung quốc và thờ cúng Mao Zedong vậy ?

nghe lời cái gì ? Thằng tàu đã bị tát vỡ mồm năm 79 nhé; chỉ có thằng chống cộng VNCH là chưa có đánh Mỹ nhé

Nghe lời thằng tàu điều gì thì kể rõ ra hết coi

Không có thằng cộng sản nào thắp hương cúng thằng mao nhé; chỉ có một vài thiểu số người Việt thắp nhan cúng cái thằng tàu khổng tử thôi nhé

Ngộ nghe nhen, mở mồm ra là chửi tàu, mà hể hỏi tại sao lại Việt Nam không bỏ đảng Cộng Sản thì lại lấy tàu ra để ví dụ.

Bắt trước tàu cả vạn năm mà mình có thời cơ ở năm 45 để không dính díu gì với tàu hết, mà ... lại cũng bắt trước theo tàu, rồi bây giờ thì xin nói "dạ vâng đồng chí" khi nói chuyện về vùng biển Bắc Bộ..

Ôi giời ơi thế kỷ 21 rồi mà còn thủ dâm tư tưởng với chủ nghĩa cộng sản mãi! Không khác gì người sắp chết đuối cố bám lấy một cái xác chết trôi sình thúi làm phao. Thấy mà ghê

Vùng biển Bắc Bộ cái gì ? Mới khám phá ra giếng dầu có dự trữ tới mấy tấn ở vịnh bắc bộ 2 năm về trước kìa cha, có thấy thằng CS nào dâng cho Tàu không?

Còn cái phần tử Chống Cộng có dám đánh Mỹ chưa ?

Yes, the Vietnamese People are very inteligent and know what to do so why not let the people decides who should represent them in the government instead of the corrupt and powerhunger communist party.

What is the definition of political instability ?
Cuba , North Korea, Congo , Gabon are very stable: same leader (or group of leaders of family of leaders) for about 30 years.

France, Germany, Canada, Japan, Taiwan, South Korean, USA: parliament and government change at least once every 7 years. SWitzerland 17 political parties are represented in the federal assembly ... Are these some sign instability ?

I'll bet that even if the communist regime is overthrown or replaced, we will still not be united. Some people are just too stubborn.

You seem to not think very clearly.

Political instability i meant here is referring to the mass political protesting , terrorist bombing, overthrowing the government and the likes.

--------> that is called dictator or family ditators. And their country either dont have a capitalistic economy or dont have the ability to develop a capitalistic economy.

That is called modern democratic system. And it has developed through hundreds of years for Western economies. The South Korean democratic system is basically set up by the USA. For it to work, people have to know how it works. They dont have the terrorist bombing, overthrowing the government; so they currently are stable politically. That did not mean that they were all the times.

Sorry, but for Vietnam, if something like that happen. Most likely, all investments will dissapear overnight. Who wants to invest in an economy where people fight over each other when next to our door, there is Thailand, the Phillipines and China. You like democracy doesnt mean that all other Vietnamese like it.

TrashCleaner:

"The need to establish a system of organisation/governance is not as important as, or is a result of, the basic physical need such as eating, drink pure water, breath fresh air [human wants and desire drive everything, society of human, apes, animal,...developed like that."

Actually, the two are very closely interrelated: the standard of living in VN has improved tremendously since 1986 and in parallel, so has governance in VN. The top priority at this point is to have a system of governance that is sound, because whatever government is going to inherit power after the VCP - that government will have to deal with the same issues.

There are too many post-colonial governments that started out as democracies only to founder within five years because the inherited governance mechanisms simply were not effective. In addition, Russia as a democracy is not exactly the picture of health at the moment. India is a democracy, yet she is all too aware that she has to reform her governance mechanisms. I'd rather see us continue from where we are and go forward toward democracy than start again as a democracy and end up going backwards from there.

I see your point and i agree. Naturally, the system will allow democracy when the need arise. There is already debate about it. Plus, i dont think an one party is bad (singapore is bad???) as long as the people are informed and accept the governance system, that would be fine.

If you allow the capitalistic model to develop, people will be more informed (because they travel, study abroad, work with foreigners, etc) and they will support what they want to see. I also rather see the system gradually changed as the people gradually gets better informed. The only thing i am afraid with the free economy is that the concentration of wealth in a very small minorities. We need good governance to counter that.

I actually think we wouldnt have a problem with the current government as long as there is pressure from international community to aim for a more transparent, less corrupted government. After all, that is how a company works. They have 1 Board of Directors that decide the directions of the company; people are informed and provided incentives to move up. Companies are pressured by the law and the market, just like how governments are pressured by international politics and trade. Well, some company works better than the others because its employees are more intelligent and intuned with its customers, just like people of a country.

^ I agree that as of right now, Vietnam need to open more up to the world. The next generation of Vietnamese will be demanding change when they see that corruption is killing their country. Espicially, if when they study abroad in country such as the US, Australia, England, France, etc... they will be more influence to demand a democratic form of government instead of a one party system without any check of power or "watch dog" over that government.

We are that next generation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are we going to do when the Chinese want our coastal oil?

isnt that there is so much pressure currently on the government to fight corruption??? (compared to just 5 years ago)



Diplomatic solution and ask for support from other countries [we better make some friends first ].

are we going to have to do what these Nigerian doing?
No one care, we will have to take care of what is our.

Nigerian militants claimed Saturday that they detonated a car bomb outside an oil refinery in Warri.

A Nigerian army spokesman told the French news agency AFP that the blast caused no casualties and only minimal damage.

A group calling itself the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta said the blast was a warning to companies working in Nigeria's oil fields, especially the Chinese. Chinese President Hu Jintao signed oil deals earlier this week with Nigerian officials during a state visit.

"Our operatives in Delta state in the Niger Delta planted and detonated one car bomb amidst petroleum product bridging tankers located close to the refinery in Warri," the group said in an e-mail sent to news organizations.

"We wish to warn the Chinese government and its oil companies to steer well clear of the Niger Delta. Chinese citizens found in oil installations will be treated as thieves. The Chinese government, by investing in stolen crude, places its citizens in our line of fire," the group said.

The militants claim the government of Nigeria has extracted billions of dollars worth of oil from the delta while leaving the region undeveloped and its residents impoverished.

Attacks, which have included bombings and kidnappings, have cut Nigeria's oil output by as much as 20 percent.


This is the kind of stuff the Chinese will do for oil.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Dec22.html


In the case of Sudan, Africa's largest country, China is in a lucrative partnership that delivers billions of dollars in investment, oil revenue and weapons -- as well as diplomatic protection -- to a government accused by the United States of genocide in Darfur and cited by human rights groups for systematically massacring civilians and chasing them off ancestral lands to clear oil-producing areas. The country once gave safe haven to Osama bin Laden and is listed by Washington as a state supporter of terrorism. U.S. companies are prohibited from investing there.

this is why i said diplomatic solution and lobby for support from other countries.

Plus, i dont think the Chinese is so stupid to steal our oil. Ask for American/Indian/Russian/Japanese support is always an option. Civil unrest/disorder like bombing is too barbaric and uncivilised. We can always warn them at the top official level that our military will get involve if that continues. But of course, dipolimatic solution is always the best.

You would be well advised to take extra care in talking to people in Vietnam, since you might never know that person you were talking was an ordinary citizen or an undercover police operative.

Communist goes away...they'll be less reservation from Vietnamese overseas to come back to build the country. Now everyone wants to leave the country --> including many of the the daugthers and sons of the communists who can go to college or get marry overseas. Vietnam has been and experiencing a braindrain because if you have the means you will go abroad to live.

Communism did two good things. It united Vietnam and ended years of colonialism. (it did many bad things that far outweighs those good things..but...reality is reality) Now it's time for it to go away to usher in a new era of prosperity and greater cooperation. As much as the communists likes to paint overseas Vietnamese being against Vietnam, it really is just against the VCP.

Unfortunately, hearing the way the old party vanguards (like the party-secretary general who was reelected) speaking, it will be a couple of more decades before any real substanial change occurs. I am encouraged over sign that the party is cracking down on corruption, but unfortunately, corruption is ingrained in the absolutist structure of the party; The Vietnamese government needs to be more transparent and responsible to the public to end the culture of corruption; this can only happen with free media (watch dog for corruption) and a public with electorate power to punish corrupt leaders. Even if the leaders gets caught now, the worst they seems to get is demoted or kicked from the party. The powerful protects their own and this holds very true for the leadership circle of the Communist party.

That's why it pays for VN to be a strong member of the international community rather than be diplomatically isolated and have to deal with the PRC on her own. VN is in a position of greater strength when the economy is growing fast, governance is continuously improving, the political system is more open and responsive to citizen input, the society looks outward and toward the future, and the relationship with the VN overeas communities abroad is steadily stronger. The top priority - and it is a national security priority, is to create/evolve a society that is worth defending because if it worth defending, it will be defended and bitterly defended.

This government was more than willing to kill hundreds of thousands of their own kind to the south yet capitulated to foreign aggression and willingly traded away Ai Nam Quan among other historical national assets to maintain power. Isn't that sad?

Good advice indeed. When I was touring through VN last summer, the tour guide and cab driver kept asking a lot of questions about the US, but I just smiled, nodded a lot, and simply answered "Yeah", "Perhaps", and "maybe". I heard that there were VC agents who left with the boat people in 1979. I wonder whatever happened to them...maybe they're still around, and hanging out in chat rooms.