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Thay_
QUOTE
Forum: Communism's victims today

Helle Dale, in her March 31 column on the Op-Ed Page, "Lest we forget: Erect Memorial for victims of communism," said: "We can all take heart when we consider that the Free World did win against the ideology of communism."
One must assume she meant the U.S. won the battle by the breakup of the Soviet Union. But we have yet to win the war on communism.

"Lest we forget," communism still thrives in Cuba, China, North Korea, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. Even though Ho Chi Minh is dead, his policy of expansionism and hegemony over Laos and Cambodia set out when Ho established the "IndoChina Communist Party" in 1933, is alive and being carried out by the fascist Vietnamese communists in Hanoi.
Amoeba-like, communist Vietnam is slowly neo-colonizing Laos and Cambodia by the traditional Vietnamese expansionism termed Don Dien, first by occupying territory with troops, then having their families come in to settle the new territory, then putting the troops into civilian clothes to become "ready reservists" and replacing them with new troops for further expansion.
"Lest we forget," Hanoi maintains a contingent of 3,000 troops, a mixture of special forces and intelligence agents, with tanks and helicopters, in a huge compound 2½ kilometers outside Phnom Penh right next to Hun Sen's Tuol Krassaing fortress near Takhmau. They are there to ensure Hanoi's puppet, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, doesn't stray far from Hanoi's policy of neo-colonization of Cambodia.
Several million Vietnamese have settled in eastern Cambodia and have been given Cambodian citizenship by Hun Sen.
"Lest we forget," the Vietnamese communists have also extended their hegemony over Laos and have de facto annexed Laos, in many ways now a province of North Vietnam. The Lao party leaders are anointed by Hanoi and receive their marching orders in sub rosa through a Vietnamese shadow government.
The Vietnamese communists consider the Lao "Nha que qua" — very backward — thus needing to be "guided" by Hanoi. According to recent intelligence reports, Hanoi has three divisions of infantry in the south of Laos along with the 968th Special Division in the north. Their presence ensures adherence to Hanoi's dictates and helps the Pathet Lao eradicate the Hmong Ethnic Minorities who fought for the Americans during the Vietnam War. The Lao communists proclaimed they would hunt down the "American collaborators" and their families, "to the last root." They will be "butchered like wild animals." This, of course, with Hanoi's help.
"Lest we forget," the communist regime in Vietnam has had a long-term policy of ethnic cleansing against minorities. After the 1954 Geneva Agreements and withdrawal of French forces, more than 50,000 ethnic minorities in North Vietnam were systematically murdered.
"Least we forget," Ho Chi Minh's legacy and policy of murder and racist ethnic cleansing continues to this date to be carried out by Hanoi's remnant communist hard-liners. Last Easter weekend, thousands of Christian Montagnards — allies of the U.S. during the Vietnam War — converged on the provincial capitals in the Central Highlands to hold peaceful prayer vigils for religious freedom and human rights. According to reports, when the Montagnards knelt to pray, the Vietnamese police and soldiers in plain clothes waded in, shooting and clubbing Montagnard men, women and children indiscriminately.
Large numbers of bodies reportedly were tossed on trucks and taken to mass graves for burial. People are prevented from leaving their houses to get food. The Central Highlands have now been totally sealed off with no communications, and although U.S. Embassy representatives have repeatedly tried, they have been denied access.
"Lest we forget," is not an isolated incidence. In 2001, Montagnards tried to hold similar "peaceful" protests over the destruction of their churches and confiscation of their ancestral lands, and thousands were tortured, imprisoned and murdered. Evidence gives weight to ethnic cleansing since the Vietnamese population has tripled since the end of the Vietnam War while the Montagnard population, estimated at 1.5 million in 1975, has now been reduced to about 750,000.
"Lest we forget," presidential hopeful John Kerry has had a long-term love affair with the Vietnamese communists, giving aid and comfort to the enemy during the Vietnam War by marching alongside communists under the Vietnamese communist flag while he was spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).
Commenting on Vietnam, Kerry stated, "I think that politically, historically ... people try ... to satisfy their felt needs, and you can satisfy those needs with ... communism."
After the House passed the Vietnam Human Rights Act by a vote of 410 to 1 in 2001, Mr. Kerry blocked it from going to the floor of the Senate for a democratic vote, thus ensuring that the Montagnard and the Vietnamese people will continue suffering under communist brutality. Mr. Kerry said passing the Vietnam Human Rights Act would only strengthen the hand of the Vietnamese hard-liners and harm trade.
Au contraire, Senator: Your policy of continued support for the Hanoi communists only gives the Vietnamese hard-liners a green light to continue eradicating Montagnards. And trade should never come at the cost of an entire people's blood.
"Lest we forget" President Bush stated, "The war on terrorism must never be an excuse to persecute minorities," (The Washington Times, Oct. 20, 2001). Mr. President, it is now time for you to act and strongly signal the Vietnamese communists that the United States will not tolerate this treatment of our allies — the Montagnards.

MIKE BENGE
Mr. Benge spent 11 years in Vietnam as a Foreign Service Officer, and worked closely with the Montagnards during that time. Of those 11 years, 5 were as a Prisoner of War.


I got this from Meinikani and angkorwar9 byt the way. What do you think? Old stuff?
lthv22
QUOTE (Thay_ @ May 7 2004, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE
Forum: Communism's victims today

Helle Dale, in her March 31 column on the Op-Ed Page, "Lest we forget: Erect Memorial for victims of communism," said: "We can all take heart when we consider that the Free World did win against the ideology of communism."
One must assume she meant the U.S. won the battle by the breakup of the Soviet Union. But we have yet to win the war on communism.

"Lest we forget," communism still thrives in Cuba, China, North Korea, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. Even though Ho Chi Minh is dead, his policy of expansionism and hegemony over Laos and Cambodia set out when Ho established the "IndoChina Communist Party" in 1933, is alive and being carried out by the fascist Vietnamese communists in Hanoi.
Amoeba-like, communist Vietnam is slowly neo-colonizing Laos and Cambodia by the traditional Vietnamese expansionism termed Don Dien, first by occupying territory with troops, then having their families come in to settle the new territory, then putting the troops into civilian clothes to become "ready reservists" and replacing them with new troops for further expansion.
"Lest we forget," Hanoi maintains a contingent of 3,000 troops, a mixture of special forces and intelligence agents, with tanks and helicopters, in a huge compound 2½ kilometers outside Phnom Penh right next to Hun Sen's Tuol Krassaing fortress near Takhmau. They are there to ensure Hanoi's puppet, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, doesn't stray far from Hanoi's policy of neo-colonization of Cambodia.
Several million Vietnamese have settled in eastern Cambodia and have been given Cambodian citizenship by Hun Sen.
"Lest we forget," the Vietnamese communists have also extended their hegemony over Laos and have de facto annexed Laos, in many ways now a province of North Vietnam. The Lao party leaders are anointed by Hanoi and receive their marching orders in sub rosa through a Vietnamese shadow government.
The Vietnamese communists consider the Lao "Nha que qua" — very backward — thus needing to be "guided" by Hanoi. According to recent intelligence reports, Hanoi has three divisions of infantry in the south of Laos along with the 968th Special Division in the north. Their presence ensures adherence to Hanoi's dictates and helps the Pathet Lao eradicate the Hmong Ethnic Minorities who fought for the Americans during the Vietnam War. The Lao communists proclaimed they would hunt down the "American collaborators" and their families, "to the last root." They will be "butchered like wild animals." This, of course, with Hanoi's help.
"Lest we forget," the communist regime in Vietnam has had a long-term policy of ethnic cleansing against minorities. After the 1954 Geneva Agreements and withdrawal of French forces, more than 50,000 ethnic minorities in North Vietnam were systematically murdered.
"Least we forget," Ho Chi Minh's legacy and policy of murder and racist ethnic cleansing continues to this date to be carried out by Hanoi's remnant communist hard-liners. Last Easter weekend, thousands of Christian Montagnards — allies of the U.S. during the Vietnam War — converged on the provincial capitals in the Central Highlands to hold peaceful prayer vigils for religious freedom and human rights. According to reports, when the Montagnards knelt to pray, the Vietnamese police and soldiers in plain clothes waded in, shooting and clubbing Montagnard men, women and children indiscriminately.
Large numbers of bodies reportedly were tossed on trucks and taken to mass graves for burial. People are prevented from leaving their houses to get food. The Central Highlands have now been totally sealed off with no communications, and although U.S. Embassy representatives have repeatedly tried, they have been denied access.
"Lest we forget," is not an isolated incidence. In 2001, Montagnards tried to hold similar "peaceful" protests over the destruction of their churches and confiscation of their ancestral lands, and thousands were tortured, imprisoned and murdered. Evidence gives weight to ethnic cleansing since the Vietnamese population has tripled since the end of the Vietnam War while the Montagnard population, estimated at 1.5 million in 1975, has now been reduced to about 750,000.
"Lest we forget," presidential hopeful John Kerry has had a long-term love affair with the Vietnamese communists, giving aid and comfort to the enemy during the Vietnam War by marching alongside communists under the Vietnamese communist flag while he was spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).
Commenting on Vietnam, Kerry stated, "I think that politically, historically ... people try ... to satisfy their felt needs, and you can satisfy those needs with ... communism."
After the House passed the Vietnam Human Rights Act by a vote of 410 to 1 in 2001, Mr. Kerry blocked it from going to the floor of the Senate for a democratic vote, thus ensuring that the Montagnard and the Vietnamese people will continue suffering under communist brutality. Mr. Kerry said passing the Vietnam Human Rights Act would only strengthen the hand of the Vietnamese hard-liners and harm trade.
Au contraire, Senator: Your policy of continued support for the Hanoi communists only gives the Vietnamese hard-liners a green light to continue eradicating Montagnards. And trade should never come at the cost of an entire people's blood.
"Lest we forget" President Bush stated, "The war on terrorism must never be an excuse to persecute minorities," (The Washington Times, Oct. 20, 2001). Mr. President, it is now time for you to act and strongly signal the Vietnamese communists that the United States will not tolerate this treatment of our allies — the Montagnards.

MIKE BENGE
Mr. Benge spent 11 years in Vietnam as a Foreign Service Officer, and worked closely with the Montagnards during that time. Of those 11 years, 5 were as a Prisoner of War.


I got this from Meinikani and angkorwar9 byt the way. What do you think? Old stuff?

Somebody's on George Bush's payroll.
Remember November 2004
DAI_VIET
Huh?
Thay_
QUOTE (lthv22 @ May 7 2004, 10:01 PM)
Somebody's on George Bush's payroll.
Remember November 2004

This is not the matter of Bush, it is the matter of Westerner view of VC secrete invasion of Cambodia.

If you refer to Bush, then I guess you are a big supporter for Kerry. Well, I hope you prepare to pay lots of TAXES.

QUOTE
Huh?


What??
Byron
The author is the president of the Montagnard foundation. What do you expect? He was also a Prisoner of War during the Vietnam war so of course he's gonna be biased towards Vietnamese.
angkorwat19
^yes he was a POW for 5 years. he should know how corrupt and cruel the viet govt. is. what he said about viet expansionism is absolutely correct.
Thay_
Well, if you asking for proof from Westerner, so here is one, and so you going to deny again? Guess soooo.
Byron
peace
DAI_VIET
Byron, please dude, just leave them alone.
lthv22
QUOTE (Thay_ @ May 7 2004, 05:58 PM)
"Lest we forget," presidential hopeful John Kerry has had a long-term love affair with the Vietnamese communists, giving aid and comfort to the enemy during the Vietnam War by marching alongside communists under the Vietnamese communist flag while he was spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW).

Please read this article again without the emotional aspect of it. Keep in mind
the logics as well as logical fallacy in your reading. Does it look like a persuasive
writing to you all? inductive reasoning? notice the setup to the John Kerry's...
This is a long version of a Gerge Bush's campaign's commercial.
Communism, expansionism, and the like is just a red herring.
If you didn't see that, your analytical thinkings has failed you.

Dai_Viet, November 2004 is a voting season. Does it influence your cast
of ballot now? icon_wink.gif
angkorwat19
QUOTE
Lest we forget," communism still thrives in Cuba, China, North Korea, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. Even though Ho Chi Minh is dead, his policy of expansionism and hegemony over Laos and Cambodia set out when Ho established the "IndoChina Communist Party" in 1933, is alive and being carried out by the fascist Vietnamese communists in Hanoi.
Amoeba-like, communist Vietnam is slowly neo-colonizing Laos and Cambodia by the traditional Vietnamese expansionism termed Don Dien, first by occupying territory with troops, then having their families come in to settle the new territory, then putting the troops into civilian clothes to become "ready reservists" and replacing them with new troops for further expansion.

this is all i need to know right here. hun sen govt. is living proof of vietnam's hegemony and expansionism.

btw, this information is not new to me. if it was, i would just post this up on AF myself.
Thay_
QUOTE (lthv22 @ May 7 2004, 10:50 PM)
Please read this article again without the emotional aspect of it. Keep in mind
the logics as well as logical fallacy in your reading. Does it look like a persuasive
writing to you all? inductive reasoning? notice the setup to the John Kerry's...
This is a long version of a Gerge Bush's campaign's commercial.
Communism, expansionism, and the like is just a red herring.
If you didn't see that, your analytical thinkings has failed you.

Dai_Viet, November 2004 is a voting season. Does it influence your cast
of ballot now? icon_wink.gif

Like I said, I post this because you people keep asking for proof for Westerner. But then again, when proof come, you did what you do best.
Byron
We asked for proof by a Westerner that there are 8 million Khmer Krom in Vietnam, not whether there are Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia. We already knew there were Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia. Why do we care about your article?
angkorwat19
QUOTE (Byron @ May 7 2004, 10:04 PM)
We asked for proof by a Westerner that there are 8 million Khmer Krom in Vietnam, not whether there are Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia. We already knew there were Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia. Why do we care about your article?

^maybe he wants others on this forum to read it?
Byron
QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ May 7 2004, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Byron @ May 7 2004, 10:04 PM)
We asked for proof by a Westerner that there are 8 million Khmer Krom in Vietnam, not whether there are Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia.  We already knew there were Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia.  Why do we care about your article?

^maybe he wants others on this forum to read it?

No he said this:

"Like I said, I post this because you people keep asking for proof for Westerner. But then again, when proof come, you did what you do best."

We asked for proof that there are 8 million Khmer Krom in Vietnam, not whether there are secret soldiers.
sailador
QUOTE (Byron @ May 7 2004, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE (angkorwat19 @ May 7 2004, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Byron @ May 7 2004, 10:04 PM)
We asked for proof by a Westerner that there are 8 million Khmer Krom in Vietnam, not whether there are Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia.  We already knew there were Vietnamese secret soldiers in Cambodia.  Why do we care about your article?

^maybe he wants others on this forum to read it?

No he said this:

"Like I said, I post this because you people keep asking for proof for Westerner. But then again, when proof come, you did what you do best."

We asked for proof that there are 8 million Khmer Krom in Vietnam, not whether there are secret soldiers.

here is the proof of 8 millions cambodians living in Vietnam...it is called www.khmerkrom.org...THE HARVARD OF CAMBODIA beerchug.gif
lthv22
[quote=Thay_,May 7 2004, 09:58 PM] [/QUOTE]
Like I said, I post this because you people keep asking for proof for Westerner. But then again, when proof come, you did what you do best. [/quote]
Angorwat & Thay,

I think you're missing the sticking point. I am not here to defend any specific warrant(s) in this article but to help you think through what the intent of this article as a whole. The author of this article doesn't give a hoot what the suffering that your people went through nor your loss. It's merely a propaganda to influence your voting decision when November comes.
Needless to say, people's writing is subjective. By taking the article and use it
as evidence without much thought into it is no less than someone who is ignorant
to begin with. Much worse is that this article do nothing but creating more hatred
amongst your people. Even worst, you fall victim to someone who impose his/her intellects on you. (that's unbearable to a learned mind)

Only mutual understanding can free us from this world full of hatred.
And the only way is through mutual understandings between your people and mine.
That's the only reason I am here.
FKR
A SNAP SHOT of a Viet Poster called "Sailador"

Personal Information:

Birthdate: 16 April 1978. Gender: Male. Location: Fountain Valley, California.

“[From]…the Lai's clan..Posted on: May 6 2004, 07:56 PM”

“i am 5-10 and 138 pounds..i feel kinda fat though..on my stomache Posted on: May 5 2004, 04:30 PM

“i am from Orange County California Posted: May 6 2004, 12:01 AM”

“…there are like 300,000 vietnamese in my area alone Posted: May 6 2004, 12:06 AM”

Birthplace and ethnic tie:

“i was born here in america and i could speak, read, and write vietnamese..Posted on: May 3 2004, 11:21 PM”

“…i am 100 percent vietnamese..Posted on: May 3 2004, 10:59 PM

“…when someone ask "where i am from?" i simply reply i am vietnamese... Posted on: May 4 2004, 05:07 PM”

Family Informaiton:

“..my dad just moved back to Vietnam for good Posted on: May 6 2004, 06:25 PM”

Favorite Food

“..i have to go out eat everyday..but luckily i live right in Orange County California..tons of vietnamese restaurants here Posted on: May 6 2004, 06:05 PM”

“i love vit lon [half-developed duck or chicken fetuses]!!!!!those things are good..i will eat the feathers and everything..i dont care Posted on: May 6 2004, 08:08 PM

Ethnic Pride

…we vietnamese…have a strong sense of nationalism..; we adopted many of the chinese ideologies…Posted on: May 4 2004, 05:07 PM

…no matter how hard i dont want to admit to that..but it is true...sad but true..but it is all good..those [65%] chinese words are vietnamized now..so we can just say they are vietnamese words Posted on: May 7 2004, 02:47 PM

Hypocrisy and racist remarks

“..i am not a racist by all mean..Posted on: May 3 2004, 11:23 PM”

“i think someway we are all racist..but some people can hide it better than others Posted on: May 6 2004, 03:26 PM”

“sometime it is hard to teach a dog new tricks..but it is our responsibility as a vietnamese to civilized the uncivilize!! Posted on: May 5 2004, 11:04 PM

“it is in our nature..we are a confuscious country..it is our responsibility to civilize other barbaric cultures Posted on: May 5 2004, 11:12 PM

Verbal Insults

“i think most of the Pham were farmers..Posted on: May 4 2004, 10:17 PM

“Phams make great farmers and peasants Posted on: May 6 2004, 08:29 PM

“…those two bozos Mr Divine Emperor of the Great Middle Kingdom and the Chinese Wannabe Japanese [Ogumo] or he could be a Chinese Pretending to be Japanese Posted on: May 7 2004, 10:28 PM

“what Emperor trying to say is..his mom looks like a whore and he doesnt know who his dad is Posted on: May 7 2004, 05:00 PM”

In addition he also called FKR, Kulong, and Jotmaimoreaj names.

Mental Capability

“to tell you the truth..i dont understand a single word when the central people speak..it sounds all jibberish to me Posted on: May 6 2004, 06:18 PM”

“...but the people from Hue...to be honest with you..i dont understand a single word that comes out of their mouth..Posted on: May 6 2004, 07:27 PM

“...i always thought hmong were mongolian..because there two girls..i asked them where they from..they replied Mong..and i said oh Mongolia..and they said Ghenghis Khran rules!!!...but they dont look Mongolian at all to me..but i think i figured where they from now..stupid me..took me 5 years to figure that out Posted on: May 4 2004, 01:00 AM
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (FKR @ May 8 2004, 01:08 AM)
A SNAP SHOT of a Viet Poster called "Sailador"

Personal Information:

Birthdate: 16 April 1978. Gender: Male. Location: Fountain Valley, California.

“[From]…the Lai's clan..Posted on: May 6 2004, 07:56 PM”

“i am 5-10 and 138 pounds..i feel kinda fat though..on my stomache Posted on: May 5 2004, 04:30 PM

“i am from Orange County California Posted: May 6 2004, 12:01 AM”

“…there are like 300,000 vietnamese in my area alone Posted: May 6 2004, 12:06 AM”

Birthplace and ethnic tie:

“i was born here in america and i could speak, read, and write vietnamese..Posted on: May 3 2004, 11:21 PM”

“…i am 100 percent vietnamese..Posted on: May 3 2004, 10:59 PM

“…when someone ask "where i am from?" i simply reply i am vietnamese... Posted on: May 4 2004, 05:07 PM”

Family Informaiton:

“..my dad just moved back to Vietnam for good Posted on: May 6 2004, 06:25 PM”

Favorite Food

“..i have to go out eat everyday..but luckily i live right in Orange County California..tons of vietnamese restaurants here Posted on: May 6 2004, 06:05 PM”

“i love vit lon [half-developed duck or chicken fetuses]!!!!!those things are good..i will eat the feathers and everything..i dont care Posted on: May 6 2004, 08:08 PM

Ethnic Pride

…we vietnamese…have a strong sense of nationalism..; we adopted many of the chinese ideologies…Posted on: May 4 2004, 05:07 PM

…no matter how hard i dont want to admit to that..but it is true...sad but true..but it is all good..those [65%] chinese words are vietnamized now..so we can just say they are vietnamese words Posted on: May 7 2004, 02:47 PM

Hypocrisy and racist remarks

“..i am not a racist by all mean..Posted on: May 3 2004, 11:23 PM”

“i think someway we are all racist..but some people can hide it better than others Posted on: May 6 2004, 03:26 PM”

“sometime it is hard to teach a dog new tricks..but it is our responsibility as a vietnamese to civilized the uncivilize!! Posted on: May 5 2004, 11:04 PM

“it is in our nature..we are a confuscious country..it is our responsibility to civilize other barbaric cultures Posted on: May 5 2004, 11:12 PM

Verbal Insults

“i think most of the Pham were farmers..Posted on: May 4 2004, 10:17 PM

“Phams make great farmers and peasants Posted on: May 6 2004, 08:29 PM

“…those two bozos Mr Divine Emperor of the Great Middle Kingdom and the Chinese Wannabe Japanese [Ogumo] or he could be a Chinese Pretending to be Japanese Posted on: May 7 2004, 10:28 PM

“what Emperor trying to say is..his mom looks like a whore and he doesnt know who his dad is Posted on: May 7 2004, 05:00 PM”

In addition he also called FKR, Kulong, and Jotmaimoreaj names.

Mental Capability

“to tell you the truth..i dont understand a single word when the central people speak..it sounds all jibberish to me Posted on: May 6 2004, 06:18 PM”

“...but the people from Hue...to be honest with you..i dont understand a single word that comes out of their mouth..Posted on: May 6 2004, 07:27 PM

“...i always thought hmong were mongolian..because there two girls..i asked them where they from..they replied Mong..and i said oh Mongolia..and they said Ghenghis Khran rules!!!...but they dont look Mongolian at all to me..but i think i figured where they from now..stupid me..took me 5 years to figure that out Posted on: May 4 2004, 01:00 AM

QUOTE
“i think most of the Pham were farmers..Posted on: May 4 2004, 10:17 PM

“Phams make great farmers and peasants Posted on: May 6 2004, 08:29 PM

LOL. That's a joke you idiot. LOL.

Geez, you certaintly have no life. Everytime you log-in, you go the Search section and read your enemies' posts and copy them, and post them again.

This is very very lame. You're like a crazy guy who follows everyone and then make your move when he's not looking... creepy guy. I hope you know that.

I am glad that not all Khmers are like you in this forum, $hit, if all Khmers were like you in this forum, then it'd be tons of topics created just for this reason.

Again, very lame. Now go and lick more butts. <<< Ooops, is that an insult? I think so.
FKR
Thay, thank you for the wonderful article. And I thought that only the Khmer folks and the Great Chinese people know about the evil designs of the various Vietnamese governments towards the innocent Cambodian people. Thank goodness, this knowledge of the Vietnamese expansionism is widely known even in the Western Hemisphere. The significance of this post is that it shows readers that those so-called innocent illegal Vietnamese settlers in Cambodia are not at all innocent, but they are the instruments of the Vietnamese government to colonize Cambodia. So the Khmer folks are not at all being discriminatory against those Vietnamese, they simply ask those illegal Vietnamese settlers to return to their economically powerful country of Vietnam. That is not too much to ask, is it?

According to a genealogical account of the Imperial Nguyen dynasty of Vietnam, it states that after a Vietnamese “lady” named Ngoc Van (daughter of “lord” Nguyen Phuc Nguyen aka “Buddhist King” (1613-1635 A.D)) was married to the Khmer Monarch named Chetta II, “thousands of Vietnamese fully armed soldiers followed lady Ngoc Van to Cambodia” to secure Cambodia’s continued existence from the relentless military terrorizations from Thailand. As a result, “many Vietnamese became Cambodian court officials.” Only two years after the “royal marriage, there were 20,000 Vietnamese settlers migrated to Prei Nokor (Saigon) and Kas Krobey (Ben Nghe) and Bien Hoa. …Then Nguyen lord asked his son in law, H.M. King Chetta II to allow the Nguyen court to establish an office of taxation in Prei Nokor to collect taxes from his subjects. The request was formerly granted by the Khmer court.”

Soon after, the Vietnamese took over the Khmer ancestral lands and waters. This was so unfortunate for the Khmer folks.

Thay, that same history is being repeated again.

According to Mike Benge’s article of “Communism's victims today”, “the fascist Vietnamese communists in Hanoi are slowly neo-colonizing Cambodia by the traditional Vietnamese expansionism termed Don Dien, first by occupying territory with troops, then having their families come in to settle the new territory, then putting the troops into civilian clothes to become "ready reservists" and replacing them with new troops for further expansion.”

“Hanoi maintains a contingent of 3,000 troops, a mixture of special forces and intelligence agents, with tanks and helicopters, in a huge compound 2½ kilometers outside Phnom Penh right next to Hun Sen's Tuol Krassaing fortress near Takhmau. They are there to ensure Hanoi's puppet, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, doesn't stray far from Hanoi's policy of neo-colonization of Cambodia. Several million Vietnamese have settled in eastern Cambodia and have been given Cambodian citizenship by Hun Sen.”

Striking Similarities:

In the late 1979, communist Hanoi supported Hun Sen to liberate Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge. This was just like the Nguyen court sent his “thousands of Vietnamese fully armed soldiers” to support Chetta II against the Thais.

After helping Hun Sen liberate Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge, communist Hanoi troops started to occupy Cambodia, while some of them became Hun Sen’s officials. Similarly, there were Vietnamese who became the “officials” of Chetta II’s court.

Soon after, the Vietnamese troops’ families and numerous other Vietnamese settlers came to settle in Cambodia. Likewise, there were 20,000 Vietnamese settlers moved from Viet territories to Khmer territories during the reign of Chetta II.

Hanoi does not want those illegal Vietnamese settlers in Cambodia returned to Vietnam. In addition, Hanoi asked Hun Sen to sign treaties and agreements of 1979, 1982, 1983, and 1985 to cede the following Khmer ancestral waters and lands to Vietnam:

(1) Koh Tral island located in front of the city of Kampot
(2) The group of islands of Krachach Ses
(3) Historic sea of some 10,000 km square offshore of Koh Tral Island
(4) Move boundary posts on land to the detriment of Cambodia and the Cambodian people in the provincial Cambodia-Vietnam border.

In the same way, after its soldiers and settlers had taken roots in Cambodia, the Nguyen court asked Chetta II to allow for the establishment of the Vietnamese office of taxation” in Prei Nokor to collect taxes from the Vietnamese subjects residing on Khmer territory.

In the end, the Vietnamese court took over the Khmer Mekong Delta, while in the present, the Vietnamese government takes control of the Khmer ancestral islands and waters. In addition, Hun Sen agreed to have the Vietnamese move boundary posts further inside the Cambodian provinces along Cambodia-Vietnam border.


From lordship to monarchy to republic to communism, the Vietnamese leaders have never failed to carry out their “policy of expansionism and hegemony over Cambodia”. It is only moral and just that the illegal Vietnamese settlers MUST return to their economically powerful country of Vietnam.
transtic
QUOTE (FKR @ May 8 2004, 06:37 PM)
Hanoi asked Hun Sen to sign treaties and agreements of 1979, 1982, 1983, and 1985 to cede the following Khmer ancestral waters and lands to Vietnam:

(1) Koh Tral island located in front of the city of Kampot
(2) The group of islands of Krachach Ses
(3) Historic sea of some 10,000 km square offshore of Koh Tral Island
(4) Move boundary posts on land to the detriment of Cambodia and the Cambodian people in the provincial Cambodia-Vietnam border.

Asked him? I doubt very much it was an asking situation.

I don't think it was very secret either.

I would like to know how Vietnamese people feel about these treaties too. Do you think they should be kept Vietnamese or do you feel they should be returned to Cambodia?
FKR
Dai Viet said, “I believe in one creator, and his name is... God. Posted on: May 7 2004, 11:10 PM”. However, what kind of a religious person is he when he can speak of the cuss words so profusely like these:

“…you idiot…LOL. (1) ….You're like a crazy guy (2)…lick more butts (3)…Posted on: May 8 2004, 01:16 AM

“When a dog (4) barks in the forest, and no one is there. Does it make a sound? Posted on: May 7 2004, 01:26 PM

“…you are just an ant (5) under a huge forest. Posted on: May 7 2004, 11:38 AM

Dai Viet is also a master at creating awards. For example:
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I think Dai Viet should get an award extraordinaire for being a male on PMS. All in all, his speech does reflect his family upbringing. The poor guy, I will pray to his GOD for his salvation from his crude underdeveloped manners. embarassedlaugh.gif
FKR
Hello transtic,

I'm FKR. I haven't seen you around. Are you new around here? If you are, then I would like to welcome to the Khmer section of the discussion board.

You seem knowledgeable, yet you asked me questions that you already know the answers to. Why is that? You pinpointed my usage of the word "asked". Yes, I based the usage of the word on the Cambodian records. Hun Sen said it himself that He ALONE would take full personal responsibility for all the treaties and agreements with Hanoi, his supporter. Hun Sen's delegation was instructed to go to Vietnam to sign whatever HUN SEN had agreed to cede to the Vietnamese. The Cambodian side was forced to sign away whatever the Vietnamese conquerors demanded.

Now if you have something else to share with me and the other readers, then please do it.

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I would like to know how Vietnamese people feel about these treaties too. Do you think they should be kept Vietnamese or do you feel they should be returned to Cambodia?


All Cambodian territorial lands and waters must be returned to the state of Cambodia. If the Vietnamese want to settle the border issues with the Cambodians, then they should go to the international body to decide. It was never right for the Vietnamese conquerors to force the powerless Cambodians to give up their territories. This act alone is against the international law.
RockHeart
Thats the onely way that you VC Government has to obey the International Law. Then has to return the KhmerLand and water to the Khmer Owner! It just not keep it as its own by using a cruel power to invade the neighbor...So?? When do you VC will return this cute land and sweet water back to our KhmerPeople???

RockHeart.

:genius:
DragonMP
QUOTE (FKR @ May 8 2004, 01:08 AM)
A SNAP SHOT of a Viet Poster called "Sailador" 

“i am 5-10 and 138 pounds...


Bro, u need to bulk up biggrin.gif

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“i love vit lon [half-developed duck or chicken fetuses]!!!!!those things are good...


Good stuff !

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“... there two girls..i asked them where they from..they replied Mong..and i said oh Mongolia..and they said Ghenghis Khran rules!!!...


embarassedlaugh.gif Hehehe that's pretty funny.
transtic
QUOTE (FKR @ May 8 2004, 07:33 PM)
Hello transtic,

I'm FKR. I haven't seen you around. Are you new around here? If you are, then I would like to welcome to the Khmer section of the discussion board.

You seem knowledgeable, yet you asked me questions that you already know the answers to. Why is that? You pinpointed my usage of the word "asked".

HI FKR, yes I'm new around here.

Thanks for the welcome beerchug.gif

To answer your question, I was simply using the question to emphasize what I was saying. It's a rhetorical question.

I just think it was ridiculous that Hun Sen was forced to sign these treaties. As a part-Cambodian myself, I do want the land to be returned to it's rightful owner.

However, I do think it is wrong that Cambodian and Vietnamese animosity extends over through to the Internet's discussion forums and other countries when clearly the people engaged in these so-called wars aren't even part of what happened.
vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe
QUOTE (RockHeart @ May 8 2004, 08:05 AM)
Thats the onely way that you VC Government has to obey the International Law. Then has to return the KhmerLand and water to the Khmer Owner! It just not keep it as its own by using a cruel power to invade the neighbor...So?? When do you VC will return this cute land and sweet water back to our KhmerPeople???

RockHeart.

:genius:

it will never be returned to khmer !! embarassedlaugh.gif
RockHeart
QUOTE (vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe @ May 8 2004, 07:12 PM)
QUOTE (RockHeart @ May 8 2004, 08:05 AM)
Thats the onely way that you VC Government has to obey the International Law. Then has to return the KhmerLand and water to the Khmer Owner! It just not keep it as its own by using a cruel power to invade the neighbor...So?? When do you VC will return this cute land and sweet water back to our KhmerPeople???

RockHeart.

:genius:

it will never be returned to khmer !! embarassedlaugh.gif

That meant you robbed our KhmerLand and KhmerWater...So?? all readers in this AF understanding that you VC are the Robber, Stoler, Cheater, and big Liar!! Because you don't want to return our KhmerLand-Water back to the Khmer Owner.

RockHeart.

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GotPho
QUOTE (FKR @ May 8 2004, 03:37 AM)
Thay, thank you for the wonderful article.  And I thought that only the Khmer folks and the Great Chinese people know about the evil designs of the various Vietnamese governments towards the innocent Cambodian people.  Thank goodness, this knowledge of the Vietnamese expansionism is widely known even in the Western Hemisphere.  The significance of this post is that it shows readers that those so-called innocent illegal Vietnamese settlers in Cambodia are not at all innocent, but they are the instruments of the Vietnamese government to colonize Cambodia.  So the Khmer folks are not at all being discriminatory against those Vietnamese, they simply ask those illegal Vietnamese settlers to return to their economically powerful country of Vietnam.  That is not too much to ask, is it?

According to a genealogical account of the Imperial Nguyen dynasty of Vietnam, it states that after a Vietnamese “lady” named Ngoc Van (daughter of “lord” Nguyen Phuc Nguyen aka “Buddhist King” (1613-1635 A.D)) was married to the Khmer Monarch named Chetta II, “thousands of Vietnamese fully armed soldiers followed lady Ngoc Van to Cambodia”  to secure Cambodia’s continued existence from the relentless military terrorizations from Thailand. As a result, “many Vietnamese became Cambodian court officials.” Only two years after the “royal marriage, there were 20,000 Vietnamese settlers migrated to Prei Nokor (Saigon) and  Kas Krobey (Ben Nghe) and Bien Hoa. …Then Nguyen lord asked his son in law, H.M. King Chetta II to allow the Nguyen court to establish an office of taxation in Prei Nokor to collect taxes from his subjects. The request was formerly granted by the Khmer court.” 

Soon after, the Vietnamese took over the Khmer ancestral lands and waters.  This was so unfortunate for the Khmer folks. 

Thay, that same history is being repeated again.

According to Mike Benge’s article of “Communism's victims today”,  “the fascist Vietnamese communists in Hanoi are slowly neo-colonizing Cambodia by the traditional Vietnamese expansionism termed Don Dien, first by occupying territory with troops, then having their families come in to settle the new territory, then putting the troops into civilian clothes to become "ready reservists" and replacing them with new troops for further expansion.”

“Hanoi maintains a contingent of 3,000 troops, a mixture of special forces and intelligence agents, with tanks and helicopters, in a huge compound 2½ kilometers outside Phnom Penh right next to Hun Sen's Tuol Krassaing fortress near Takhmau. They are there to ensure Hanoi's puppet, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, doesn't stray far from Hanoi's policy of neo-colonization of Cambodia.  Several million Vietnamese have settled in eastern Cambodia and have been given Cambodian citizenship by Hun Sen.”

Striking Similarities: 

In the late 1979, communist Hanoi supported Hun Sen to liberate Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge.  This was just like the Nguyen court sent his “thousands of Vietnamese fully armed soldiers” to support Chetta II against the Thais.

After helping Hun Sen liberate Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge, communist Hanoi troops started to occupy Cambodia, while some of them became Hun Sen’s officials.  Similarly, there were Vietnamese who became the “officials” of Chetta II’s court.

Soon after, the Vietnamese troops’ families and numerous other Vietnamese settlers came to settle in Cambodia.  Likewise, there were 20,000 Vietnamese settlers moved from Viet territories to Khmer territories during the reign of Chetta II.

Hanoi does not want those illegal Vietnamese settlers in Cambodia returned to Vietnam.  In addition, Hanoi asked Hun Sen to sign treaties and agreements of 1979, 1982, 1983, and 1985 to cede the following Khmer ancestral waters and lands to Vietnam:

(1) Koh Tral island located in front of the city of Kampot
(2) The group of islands of Krachach Ses
(3) Historic sea of some 10,000 km square offshore of Koh Tral Island
(4) Move boundary posts on land to the detriment of Cambodia and the Cambodian people in the provincial Cambodia-Vietnam border.

In the same way, after its soldiers and settlers had taken roots in Cambodia, the Nguyen court asked Chetta II to allow for the establishment of  the Vietnamese office of taxation” in Prei Nokor to collect taxes from the Vietnamese subjects residing on Khmer territory. 

In the end, the Vietnamese court took over the Khmer Mekong Delta, while in the present, the Vietnamese government takes control of the Khmer ancestral islands and waters.  In addition, Hun Sen agreed to have the Vietnamese move boundary posts further inside the Cambodian provinces along Cambodia-Vietnam border.


From lordship to monarchy to republic to communism, the Vietnamese leaders have never failed to carry out their “policy of expansionism and hegemony over Cambodia”.  It is only moral and just that the illegal Vietnamese settlers MUST return to their economically powerful country of Vietnam.
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stfu u dirty @$$ khmer should be happy that the vietnamese are takin over..u khmer are useless never defeat us in any war, talkin abt that b!tch @$$ backstabbin chinese, they cant even do shyt to us. who attack us from behide n still lost
Cambodge
Keep on cussing at the Khmer, you practicer, adopter, and user of the Chinese beautiful culture and Chinese students from your ancestors down to you in the presence. Your beautiful thoughts have been repored to a moderator aleady. Hhahhaha.
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