As we all know, a good 60 years or so the event of Pearl Harbor occured. I've been living in America my entire life and I love Japan (definately more than America) and so I don't hold a grudge against them for pearl harbor. Though many people I know (Older people MOSTLY, though no one who was alive during Peral Harbor) absolutely hate the Japanese for it .

My 1st question for you guys is, why do you think people still hate Japan based on just that event even after 60 years? Should Americans just get over it?

And second, is it me or was the fact that they killed about 3x as many people with the atomic bombs than the people who died in Pearl Harbor totally unfair? Everytime I say that it's unfair, everyone I know is like "well they get what they deserve" But I'm sorry, there's a HUGE difference between an attack like Pearl Harber and TWO atomic bombs. Americans are ignorant ...and I wanna know everyone's thoughts or if I'm just cynical

what about wen your japan colonized korea and did all kinds evil things like trying to wipe out our whole culture?? dont even try to talk about unfairness after what japan did to us

I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about Pearl Harbor o_o;;

You don't hear that often now. Mostly it's 99% about 9/11

Yeah I know they are, but even a few months ago I saw a sign that said

"December 7th, 1941
September 11th 2001

America will never forget"

You guys still aren't answering my question ~_~;;

You call us ignorant then you want to know our opinion? The japanese were the ones that started the war with the US. We just happen to finish it. When the first bomb was dropped did the japanese government surrender? NO!. It took another bomb, killing a few hundred thousand japanese to convince them to surrender. And I know some of you would rather not hear it, But dropping the 2 bomb saved more lives. If it was an invasion millions of japanese civilians would have died and the same goes for US soldiers.

And the japanese seem to forget the MILLIONS they killed in the area.

Hey, I don't wanna fight ^^;

And I'm a AMerican, I just happen to like Japan

And I have to commend you for being the 1st one to give a stright answer to my question ^_^

another dimwit wapanese...

Don't assume that any American who likes Japan is a wapanese. There is a difference between people who simply like Japan and wapanese. Unless you think that anyone who likes Japan is a wapanese.

Wow, I wouldn't have joined this forum if I knew there were so many racists ^_^;;

You better believe it.

Why does this thread in serious topic almost always relate directly to WWII? I'm sure there are other serious topics.

I could always start a thread about controversial issues in the Tokugawa period? o____O

I don't care about pearl harbor. My response is remember nagasaki and hiroshima.

This is one of the reasons that I have the purest hate the american military.

For Japan, I think the attack on Pearl Harbor was strategically wrong, but tactically brilliant.

Well this just to show the fanatical loyalty of the japanese people. Isoroku yamamoto knew what would happen if america was brought into the war. Do you know what the purpose of the attack was? To have the americans re send resources out of fear of the japanese. It was thought that the americans would understand how badly the resources were needed only if japan attacked. Then everything would be ok and the americans would leave japan alone after that. Yamamoto lived in america before he even went to harvard university (or yale?). He knew exactly what america was all about and how they thought. He signed japan the death sentence willingly because it was what his superiors wanted. In a way it is really ridiculous. Resources could have been stolen from the various countries that were occupied.

Nicely put.

To: MagenaiYume

My personal opinion is that we should never forget what happened, but we should definitely move on. Secondly, I don't think we can really compare what happened with the atomic bomb to Pearl Harbor. Some estimates claim that had the US invaded Japan which would have most likely happened if Alamagordo failed, about half a million to a million Americans would have perished and more than two million Japanese soldiers and civilians. But we will never really know. I personally don't agree with a weapon that can wipe out a whole city, but you seem to be comparing Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima in terms of lives lost.



There are documents that showed Japan would have surrendered before August. There was a clause in the terms of surrender that stated that Japan had to renounce the divinity of their emperor. The fact is, the US didn't even need that clause, it would have done nothing. But Truman kept it because he knew the Japanese would refuse those terms, and Truman would be able to use the bomb.

japan might gotten lucky when US arrived in japan before the soviets did... Now I could possibly see a picture if the soviets occupied japan after WW2.

You've got to remember that prior to FDR dying, Truman knew nothing about the Manhattan Project, in addition to knowing almost nothing about what position FDR took in the negotiations between the US, UK, and USSR.

So, Truman was an inexperienced President who had just taken office during the greatest war in the history of the war, who had the huge threat of the Soviet Union looming over Western Europe.

Truman's decision to drop the bombs wasn't just to end the war quicker, or to save Japanese or American lives, but also to have a trump card to use against the Soviets.

If the Soviets got into Japan, it would probably be like Vietnam and Korea, where both countries were divided into two, one based on communism and the other on democracy and they would both fight each other.

Japan would be another korea. The americans would not allow to u.s.s.r. to have all of the country.

otherguy:
"Truman's decision to drop the bombs wasn't just to end the war quicker, or to save Japanese or American lives, but also to have a trump card to use against the Soviets. "

Incorrect. Truman did not care about japanese lives. He had the bomb and he wanted to use it. All of that money that they put into it would have gone to waste if they did not slaughter japanese people with. I do agree with the part about it being also used to intimidate the soviets.

Do you actually belive that? Do you think that the entire US gleefully rubbed its hands together and laughed at the prosepect of killing Japanese?

Yes. The americans wanted revenge for pearl harbor.

I don't really understand Ogumo, One minute he sounds grateful the US were the one's that got to japan first then the next he wants to bash them for getting there first. Am I the only on ethat feel that way?

Yes you are. That's not the impression I got but I'll let him explain himself.

If possible, Japanese should've let China occupied the Islands

When did I ever express gratefulness? I simply said the americans would not allow russia to have all of japan and it would be split like korea. Think what you want. You have ten posts and have already begun to put words in my mouth.

What does me having 10 points have to do with anything I have said. And if you read my post careful I said "sounds grateful".

Hahaha! You're really bent on this China having a hegemony over East and Southeast Asia thing, huh?

Don't mind him. He's just a nostalgic Sinocentric imperialist who believes that any land touched by centuries-old Chinese empires should belong to the PRC in perpetuity.

And you are just a self-righteous, judgemental, Indian who likes to think you are always right and voice your opinion on subjects that are not directly related to you so that you can seem like the only "calm and rational one".

Now that we are through with the labels...

I don't agree with ???? in this matter.

I don't do this to "seem" like anything. It is a part of who I am. If I only talked about Indian issues all day long, I'd be a very narrow-minded and limited person indeed. I am mystified as to why you think I should limit myself to topics that are "directly related to me".

Did I say you should only discuss Indian-related issues?

"It's just who you are"?

an Indian Jihadist

Then it's ok if I talk about other countries? In that case, what IS your problem with my posts?

What exactly are these issues not "directly related to me" that I shouldn't talk about, and what good reason do you have for me not talking about them?


Far from it. Don't you read anything I write? How much of it concerns India?

Indian as what you are, Jihadist as your behavior

Is that so? And, pray do tell, what exactly is Jihadist about my behavior?

speaking out of his @$$..

I think we're getting way off topic here, not that it matters-it happens all the time, but I think we can ALL agree that everyone of us on this discussion is self-righteous, arrogant, pretentious, and way too high on our horses. We all think we know more than the other person.

I might even speculate that becuase these are faceless, impersonal discussions, one can hide behind their names (not limited to myself). But in a one on one discussion, I think most of you would find yourself in a bind. Then again, that doesn't change the fact that these discussions can be fun and competitive...so carry on...

I'm enjoying all of this

It's quite funny.

Thats right, not to mention the rape nanking or the comfort women or the beheading contests or the live experiments on humans regarding biological warfare in manchukuo. Unit 731 i do believe.



I'd never forget it. An unprovoked attack under the disguise of peace. But that is the past..



Yeah I'm sick of hearing about his grand china bull$hit. It's every fu_king where he goes. makes

i think the japanese deserved wat happened to them.. i'll bet ogumo and the others will agree.. if not.. o well

dont nuclear bombs effect later generations?

i don't think that's fair or that the children deserve to be punished for something their parents parents's government did.

thats the japanese parents fault for not thinking ... dont blame the US.. u think it was fair for the innocent children the japanese killed and the woem they raped?? i dont think so.. the rape effected the later generations also.. so.. shut ur hole.. damn piss me off when ppl like u say those ingorant crap

"I don't care about pearl harbor. My response is remember nagasaki and hiroshima.This is one of the reasons that I have the purest hate the american military."

fu-k nagasaki and hiroshima.. who gives a $hit? KOREANS AND THE CHINESE remember nankin and the thousands of korean and chinese and ppl the Japanese killed for no fuking reason.. this is the reason the Japanese are hated.. and yet they still dont apologize.. damn Japanese.. all they think of is the two nukes.. they dont think about the reason behind it.. they think their invasion is nothing to the world..

Hahaha. fu-k you korean. I will have to come back from work and put you all in your proper places. Selfish and ungrateful racists. fu-k all of you. Every last one of you. It is too early for me to be dealing with evil comments from hateful koreans. Oh and when I get back it will not be just the hateful and evil koreans in this thread that I will deal with but those arrogant,racist and manipulative vietnamese. Someone made a thread about af being anti chinese. I disagree purely. Af is anti japanese and BIAS.

lol Ogumo you are funny, the racist and manipulative Vietnamese indeed. Beautiful how can you judge that when we've hardly ever seen you, in the Vietnamese section and we Vietnamese hardly ever talk in the Japanese section.
Name me one thread where a Vietnamese made racist comments against a Japanese. We hardly ever talk about Japan period, so why the hell would we create racist posts.

And if you are talking about racist comments against Chinese, look at what your fellow CNA members here said about Vietnamese with their racist comments, fact their leader got banned because he said too much racist comments and his followers decided to leave with him.

Very classy of you.

You must be fu-king out of your mind if you think I would agree with something as ridiculous as that. What the fu-k were you thinking?

You know I was going to try to educate insted of attack. Though like the fk chinese guy said. Af members does not deserve respect. Only attack and disrespect. I agree fully.



haha. Japanese parents fault? Most of the people at hiroshima and nagasaki killed no one. Though those INNOCENT japanese civilians deserved to die? Foolishness. Had you said the men that actually commited crimes against asia deserved to die. We would have agreed. I myself have been to nagasaki. It was that event that created my hate of the american military. You clearly do not fully understand what transpired at hiroshima and nagasaki.
Thought following your way of thinking. Each american that died on 9/11 deserved their deaths. Infact millions more should have been killed for all of the hell america has caused all over the world. "damn piss me off when ppl like u say those ingorant crap " What are you anyway? A korean?





You evil little korean. With your way of thinking no one should give a $hit about nanking or the suffering koreans went through. Thousands of japanese CIVILIANS were killed for no fu-king reason. That is the reason japanese are hated? I agree. All we think of is the two nukes? Haha all you think of is the suffering of your own people. Such hipocracy! You do the same thing you condem japan for doing! hahaha. fu-k you korean. Go to hell.



Funny? Not nearly as funny as the stupidity of those that actually believe the vietnamese racists on this forum are the victims. NOW THEY ARE FUNNY! Just because you do not see me post in the vietnamese section does not mean that I do not read it. I read it alot actually. I knew of the racist comments said by the vietnamese to the chinese months ago. Dont worry though I will soon be posting more in your little section.
This is not about japanese. I never accused you of being racists against japan now did I? I am well aware of what the chinese say about the vietnamese on the cna. If you asked me the vietnamese here provoked them. I also find it rather unfair that the chinese guy was temporary banned and nam quoc san ha was not. He is much more racist in my opinion. Also the rest of them left because they could not tolerate the racism from the vietnamese here.

u ignorant fuking j@p.. what im trying to say is that all u Japanese care about is the loss of ur INNOCENT people.. if u guys knew what u did in the war.. if u guys new the full truth, u guys wouldn't complain.. if u are going to complain atleast show some regret toward the others with ur complaint, u fuk.. no matter what almost every j@p that lived during the war has some kind of responsiblity.. they couldnt have not gone to "fight" (more like INVADE) other INNOCENT countries. Instead they fought with their life trying to massacre INNOCENT ppl. SO stop b!tch'N about the fuking nukes u guys deserved dumbfuk..

"You know I was going to try to educate insted of attack."

how are u gonna educate me on this one?? what, ur going to tell me how heroic the Japanese were during the war and how they "IMPROVED" the other countries while they were there.. and how many Japanese were killed doing their DUTY?? i mean.. wtf are u going to say??

"Haha all you think of is the suffering of your own people. Such hipocracy! You do the same thing you condem japan for doing!"

no.. no other country in asia has commited a crime that can be compared to what u Japanese did.. therefore im not being a hypocrit..

Oh shut the fu-k up you ridiculous korean.



This is exactly what you are doing now. So you have no right to talk.



Incorrect. Those people in those areas were civilians that most likely all never harmed anyone outside of the country.



Riiight. Do you even know what you are saying anymore? Luckily all koreans are not as stupid as you.



Disagreed. You failed to convince me that innocent people deserved to be slaughter with that american attack on a INNOCENT CIVILIAN area twice. All you did was rant and rave.