Malaysia forecasting 6% GDP growth in 2006, It would be very interesting to see how Malaysia GDP would be for 2006. In 2005 Malaysia GDP already achieved more than $10400/capita.

With 6% GDP growth Malaysia GDP/capita will be above $11000/capita in 2006. And not to counting Ringgit currency is among the top currency in the world right now appreciating against US dollar. I guess Malaysia GDP percapita will be between $11500 - $12000 in year 2006. Good job for Malay

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...94&sec=business

hooray for dead statistics


i prefer visiting places and observing what goes on rather than just basing my opinions on numbers.

One of good indicator how to measure wealthiness and how mobile the population in one country (meaning they have enough money to go around) and also how sophisticated one country population not only how they use their mobile for voice but also for data purposes hence we can measure those points by counting how much penetration of cell phone in population in one country.

Malaysia penetration of mobile user one the most highest in the world of Asia, in 2005, Malaysia cell phone penetration at 74.1% just behind Korea at 79.1% (we rule out Hongkong and Singapore because they are too small, only city square) and Malaysia better than Japan which at rate 70.3%.

In 2010 It will be predicted by Businees Monitor International report, Malaysia will be at number 1 with penetration rate 91.2%, while Korea at 85.9% and Japan at 85.6%.

In 2010 position will be:
Malaysia > Korean > Japan > Other country , Impressive!

Asian Phone penetration

This figures are in Purchasing power Parity (PPP) which is not accurate.
Malaysian per cappita GDP in real terms for 2005 is only around $5,000

Before the big cuts in fuel subsidies, the 5% gain by the Ringgit, and the big increase in global oil price, I thought our per capita income will only increase by USD1,000 this yr to USD6,000;
but now i think we can go much higher than that.

Sorry Nusantara, but I think this statement is laughable. I don't see how a country's wealth, or sophistication can be linked with the percentage of moblie phone users in the country.
I hope its true because my understanding is that per capita, Aust has one of the highest if not the highest moblie phone use in the world.
Sadly I don't believe its true.

I think Indonesian GDP per capita may reach USD2,000 this year or by 2007 because of fuel subsidy cuts, Rupiah appreciation, as well as higher oil, metal and rubber prices.

I said it is ONE of indicators, if you think this is not true, why country less income percapita than Malaysia and the people less sophisticated such as Thailand etc, has low mobile penetration rate? and country which better income percapita such as Japan and Korea and also Australia on the list better penetration rate than others?

It annoys me that whenever I look on the map, it still class Malaysia as a Third World country even though the country is clearly industrialised (eg. Proton). I hope Malaysian will invest more money in VietNam.

GDP in PPP somehow it is used widely to determine the purchasing power of the local people, but the real income which they call GDP Nominal is more accurate measurement real purchasing power of one country.
Because the GDP nominal do not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries.

Here is the list of country GDP nominal in 2005, if you notice Indonesia in the real GDP per capita just slightly lower than China. Comparing to Philipines, Indonesia better than Philipines yet in term GDP per capita by PPP standard is less. It can be conclude cost of living in Indonesia higher than Philipines or China.

Malaysia in this case the highest in SEA after Singapore and Brunei Darussalam.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita 2005
Rank Country GDP per capita
1 Luxembourg 75,130
2 Norway 64,268
3 Iceland 53,472
4 Switzerland 50,524
5 Ireland 48,351
6 Denmark 48,000
7 Qatar 47,519
8 United States 42,101
9 Sweden 39,658
10 Netherlands 38,333
11 Austria 37,528
12 Finland 37,014
13 United Kingdom 36,599
14 Japan 35,787
15 Belgium 35,750
16 Canada 35,064
17 Australia 34,714
18 Germany 33,922
19 France 33,734
20 Italy 30,450
21 United Arab Emirates 28,582
22 Spain 27,226
23 Singapore 26,835
24 New Zealand 26,441
25 Kuwait 26,020
26 Hong Kong, SAR 25,444
27 Cyprus 20,214
28 Greece 20,082
29 The Bahamas 18,526
30 Israel 18,266
31 Brunei 17,632
32 Portugal 17,439
33 Netherlands Antilles 17,270
34 Slovenia 17,066
35 South Korea 16,422
36 Bahrain 16,153
37 Taiwan (ROC) 15,120
38 Malta 13,737
39 Saudi Arabia 13,316
40 Oman 12,495
41 Trinidad and Tobago 12,329
42 Czech Republic 12,106
43 Barbados 11,478
44 Hungary 11,217
45 Saint Kitts and Nevis 10,897
46 Antigua and Barbuda 10,522
47 Estonia 9,727
48 Slovakia 8,647
49 Seychelles 8,373
50 Croatia 8,345
51 Poland 7,875
52 Lithuania 7,511
53 Mexico 7,298
54 Latvia 7,193
55 Chile 7,040
56 Libya 6,699
57 Gabon 6,538
58 Lebanon 6,033
59 Equatorial Guinea 5,934
60 Botswana 5,829
61 Russia 5,369
62 South Africa 5,100
63 Turkey 5,062
64 Mauritius 5,058
65 Malaysia 5,040
66 Venezuela 5,026
67 Argentina 4,802
68 Panama 4,722
69 Uruguay 4,656
70 Saint Lucia 4,624
71 Costa Rica 4,573
72 Romania 4,539
73 Grenada 4,512
74 Brazil 4,316
75 Belize 3,986
76 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 3,955
77 Dominica 3,944
78 Kazakhstan 3,717
79 Jamaica 3,583
80 Turkmenistan 3,516
81 Bulgaria 3,459
82 Fiji 3,349
83 Dominican Republic 3,235
84 Serbia and Montenegro 3,139
85 Algeria 3,086
86 Belarus 3,031
87 Tunisia 2,978
88 Namibia 2,870
89 Iran 2,825
90 Peru 2,812
91 Colombia 2,742
92 Suriname 2,637
93 Thailand 2,577
94 Ecuador 2,502
95 El Salvador 2,453
96 Maldives 2,441
97 Republic of Macedonia 2,431
98 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2,405
99 Albania 2,348
100 Swaziland 2,323
101 Jordan 2,219
102 Tonga 2,142
103 Cape Verde 2,087
104 Guatemala 1,995
105 Angola 1,873
106 Samoa 1,832
107 Republic of the Congo 1,751
108 Ukraine 1,727
109 Morocco 1,725
110 People's Republic of China 1,703
111 Vanuatu 1,530
112 Azerbaijan 1,493
113 Georgia 1,493
114 Syria 1,418
115 Egypt 1,316
116 Indonesia 1,259
117 Sri Lanka 1,199
118 Paraguay 1,165
119 Philippines 1,159
120 Honduras 1,145
121 Armenia 1,137
122 Bhutan 1,059
123 Bolivia 1,058
124 Guyana 1,034
125 Cameroon 952
126 Djibouti 885
127 Nicaragua 867
128 Côte d'Ivoire 850
129 Moldova 825
130 Sudan 783
131 Pakistan 769
132 Mongolia 736
133 Senegal 715
134 India 714
135 Nigeria 678
136 Kiribati 672
137 Papua New Guinea 666
138 Mauritania 650
139 Comoros 613
140 Vietnam 612
141 Zambia 609
142 Chad 601
143 Solomon Islands 598
144 Benin 595
145 Yemen 586
146 Kenya 574
147 Lesotho 537
148 Ghana 512
149 Haiti 503
150 Kyrgyzstan 473
151 Laos 463
152 Uzbekistan 445
153 Burkina Faso 438
154 São Tomé and Príncipe 430
155 Mali 421
156 Bangladesh 403
157 Zimbabwe 383
158 Timor-Leste 378
159 Togo 378
160 Cambodia 375
161 Tajikistan 364
162 Guinea 355
163 Mozambique 346
164 Central African Republic 336
165 Uganda 326
166 Tanzania 324
167 Nepal 322
168 The Gambia 304
169 Niger 278
170 Madagascar 263
171 Rwanda 242
172 Afghanistan 228[1]
173 Sierra Leone 219
174 Eritrea 206
175 Guinea-Bissau 181
176 Malawi 161
177 Ethiopia 153
178 Democratic Republic of the Congo 119
179 Burundi 107
180 Myanmar 97

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...l%29_per_capita

Why taiwan isn't highlighted in all of the lists I have seen? isn't it a part of asia too?

Taiwan is not a country as yet.
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Malaysia's competitiveness ranking improves

Malaysia score 5 position higher than previous year, this year 2006 Malaysia rank at 23 in the world better than German, France, Belgium and etc. In Asia Malaysia only score below Singapore, Japan and China.

http://www01.imd.ch/documents/wcc/content/overallgraph.pdf

Some asian countries down their position from last year, such Korean down to position 38 from 29, Thailand with their chaotic political situation down to position 32 from 27. Indonesia down 1 point from 59 to 60.

CIA factbook lists taiwan as a country, 80% of taiwanese regard taiwan as a sovereign nation, and it is governed by entirely different political system and party. It modernised its country without china's aid and insists that it is a single and separate country, even though china claims otherwise. (therefore it's unofficially a country)

Isn't it safe to say that taiwan should be included as well if malaysia wants to be more competitive?
(the size of its population is comparable to malaysia)

Mind you, china has nothing to do with taiwan economic prowess.

Sorry, but I feel this is a very generalised statement at best and not a reliable indicator of wealth furthermore it certainly has no indication of a country's "sophistication".
If your argument holds true, it could also be argued that the number of xboxes and PS2's is also an indication of a nations wealth.

Do you think if the person not wealthy enough they would buy PS2 or xbox? They would not buy these equipment if they live in poverty and homeless. Same goes to mobile phone.

I understand what you're saying but not everyone who can afford game consoles buy them, and certainly not everyone who can afford mobile phones have them. Part of it has to do with culture as well. I'm sure that the penetration rate of mobile phones per capita doesn't correspond exactly with the GDP per capita. Furthermore this has nothing to do with a country's "sophistication". How do you judge a country's "sophistication" anyway?
BTW, sorry if I was harsh with my previous comments.

When you said "not everyone", you answer yourself. But the trend goes hand in hand with prosperity.

You need a little bit "sophistication" and just little bit use of brain to use your mobile as datas purposes. If you know it your mobile phone more than just for voices it is actually a dsl connection you can carry it within your pocket. How? just by little bit of sophistication not much.

I would disagree, from my understanding Australia has the highest mobile phone use per capita in the world, yet I would not consider us the wealthiest country. If you want to judge wealth you should use a more accurate example, like GDP. Having said that I believe it is impossible to definitely quantify a nations wealth but, the GDP I feel is the most accurate.
We have different definitions of "sophistication".

Human Development Index

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The UN Human Development Index (HDI) is a comparative measure of poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, childbirth, and other factors for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare.

In SE Asia and East Asia, Malaysia only behind: Japan, Singapore, Korea and Brunei.
http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/indica...cfm?x=1&y=1&z=1

Good job Malay!
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HDI Rank Country Human development index (HDI) value
2003

1 Norway 0.963
2 Iceland 0.956
3 Australia 0.955
4 Luxembourg 0.949
5 Canada 0.949
6 Sweden 0.949
7 Switzerland 0.947
8 Ireland 0.946
9 Belgium 0.945
10 United States 0.944
11 Japan 0.943
12 Netherlands 0.943
13 Finland 0.941
14 Denmark 0.941
15 United Kingdom 0.939
16 France 0.938
17 Austria 0.936
18 Italy 0.934
19 New Zealand 0.933
20 Germany 0.930
21 Spain 0.928
22 Hong Kong, China (SAR) 0.916
23 Israel 0.915
24 Greece 0.912
25 Singapore 0.907
26 Slovenia 0.904
27 Portugal 0.904
28 Korea, Rep. of 0.901
29 Cyprus 0.891
30 Barbados 0.878
31 Czech Republic 0.874
32 Malta 0.867
33 Brunei Darussalam 0.866
34 Argentina 0.863
35 Hungary 0.862
36 Poland 0.858
37 Chile 0.854
38 Estonia 0.853
39 Lithuania 0.852
40 Qatar 0.849
41 United Arab Emirates 0.849
42 Slovakia 0.849
43 Bahrain 0.846
44 Kuwait 0.844
45 Croatia 0.841
46 Uruguay 0.840
47 Costa Rica 0.838
48 Latvia 0.836
49 Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.834
50 Bahamas 0.832
51 Seychelles 0.821
52 Cuba 0.817
53 Mexico 0.814
54 Tonga 0.810
55 Bulgaria 0.808
56 Panama 0.804
57 Trinidad and Tobago 0.801
58 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 0.799
59 Macedonia, TFYR 0.797
60 Antigua and Barbuda 0.797
61 Malaysia 0.796
62 Russian Federation 0.795
63 Brazil 0.792
64 Romania 0.792
65 Mauritius 0.791
66 Grenada 0.787
67 Belarus 0.786
68 Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.786
69 Colombia 0.785
70 Dominica 0.783
71 Oman 0.781
72 Albania 0.780
73 Thailand 0.778
74 Samoa (Western) 0.776
75 Venezuela 0.772
76 Saint Lucia 0.772
77 Saudi Arabia 0.772
78 Ukraine 0.766
79 Peru 0.762
80 Kazakhstan 0.761
81 Lebanon 0.759
82 Ecuador 0.759
83 Armenia 0.759
84 Philippines 0.758
85 China 0.755
86 Suriname 0.755
87 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0.755
88 Paraguay 0.755
89 Tunisia 0.753
90 Jordan 0.753
91 Belize 0.753
92 Fiji 0.752
93 Sri Lanka 0.751
94 Turkey 0.750
95 Dominican Republic 0.749
96 Maldives 0.745
97 Turkmenistan 0.738
98 Jamaica 0.738
99 Iran, Islamic Rep. of 0.736
100 Georgia 0.732
101 Azerbaijan 0.729
102 Occupied Palestinian Territories 0.729
103 Algeria 0.722
104 El Salvador 0.722
105 Cape Verde 0.721
106 Syrian Arab Republic 0.721
107 Guyana 0.720
108 Viet Nam 0.704
109 Kyrgyzstan 0.702
110 Indonesia 0.697
111 Uzbekistan 0.694
112 Nicaragua 0.690
113 Bolivia 0.687
114 Mongolia 0.679
115 Moldova, Rep. of 0.671
116 Honduras 0.667
117 Guatemala 0.663
118 Vanuatu 0.659
119 Egypt 0.659
120 South Africa 0.658
121 Equatorial Guinea 0.655
122 Tajikistan 0.652
123 Gabon 0.635
124 Morocco 0.631
125 Namibia 0.627
126 São Tomé and Principe 0.604
127 India 0.602
128 Solomon Islands 0.594
129 Myanmar 0.578
130 Cambodia 0.571
131 Botswana 0.565
132 Comoros 0.547
133 Lao People's Dem. Rep. 0.545
134 Bhutan 0.536
135 Pakistan 0.527
136 Nepal 0.526
137 Papua New Guinea 0.523
138 Ghana 0.520
139 Bangladesh 0.520
140 Timor-Leste 0.513
141 Sudan 0.512
142 Congo 0.512
143 Togo 0.512
144 Uganda 0.508
145 Zimbabwe 0.505
146 Madagascar 0.499
147 Swaziland 0.498
148 Cameroon 0.497
149 Lesotho 0.497
150 Djibouti 0.495
151 Yemen 0.489
152 Mauritania 0.477
153 Haiti 0.475
154 Kenya 0.474
155 Gambia 0.470
156 Guinea 0.466
157 Senegal 0.458
158 Nigeria 0.453
159 Rwanda 0.450
160 Angola 0.445
161 Eritrea 0.444
162 Benin 0.431
163 Côte d'Ivoire 0.420
164 Tanzania, U. Rep. of 0.418
165 Malawi 0.404
166 Zambia 0.394
167 Congo, Dem. Rep. of the 0.385
168 Mozambique 0.379
169 Burundi 0.378
170 Ethiopia 0.367
171 Central African Republic 0.355
172 Guinea-Bissau 0.348
173 Chad 0.341
174 Mali 0.333
175 Burkina Faso 0.317
176 Sierra Leone 0.298
177 Niger 0.281

No, good job Malaysia but can do better and should in the future.

Malaysia's wealth distribution is also the second best in South East Asia after the Philippines.(sorry, I'll try to find the source to back this up)

Malaysia may have to a large extent eliminated absolute poverty but not relative poverty.

Watch Bersamamu on TV3 and realize some people still live a difficult life in M'sia.

Nusantara,
You must be the most boring date!
How come we never hear you talk about Malaysia having the highest motorcar/bike related death rate in SEA! It's at least something Malaysia is #1 in.
You never answer me. How is school going?

Malaysia do have more accident deaths/100 000 ppl but Thailand has a higher accident deaths/10000 ppl compared to other ASEAN states but is probably because the no. of deaths in Malaysia is spread over a lower population.

The risk of getting accidents in Malaysia is also the lowest after S'pore and Brunei.

Here's a link for reference..

http://www.factbook.net/EGRF_Regional_anal...AsiaPacific.htm

WRT your referece I think it means that Malaysia has more vehicles per capita then Thailand which would partially explain the higher number of deaths per capita in Malaysia as compared to Thailand.

One of the major reasons I think for the high death rates in Malaysia is due to the higher percentage of motorcycles in Malaysia particularly motorcyclists not wearing helmets.
A friend of mine died when he was 14 in a motorcycle accident, he was not wearing a helmet.

ur not harsh, but illustrate sheer ignorance, if not experiencing from a serious IQ meltdown and i mean serious. lol. U talk sht, man. grow up. perhaps if u do, msia wld hv been a better place.




may i ask wht question is tis? man, seriously tis guy needs help.
another unneccesary statement




ORLY. tis is by far the funniest entry




because theyr simply uncivilsed and cant take the pride they smashed themselves so theyr resort to kiling the superiors so whtever remain is them, best of the lamest bunch.




wit the enormous time u spend posting here, for a lifetime, i doubt it.




seriously, i deeply wish every malays wld think /react as educated as u but NO.

ru saying ur okay if we remove the bumi thing once and for all, naturally let the chinese pwn the economies n ur okay and not murder the non bumis? do u even know wht ur toking abt !?





yes yes, im grateful to proton tht provided economical cars to my parents when theyr both only able to make ends meet but, hvg proton, after 20 yrs but the results r devastating. its the result matters, dear, not the production. h/w being aware of grps of ppl proton has tried to help improve (eg suppliers) but seem, in vain. i cant be grateful at the same time while its eating up the money in the govt coffers whos js asking from the rakyat more now after 2 deacdes. and still cant stand on own feet, look at air asia, its even beating up mas like pulp,man. cmon. i like the terms they callthese bail-loved companies; sthg like welfare corporates. and ur income in exchg for tis cos to survive

Honestly given a choice, I would live in Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan or even China. M'sia is like the last place I'd choose in Asia due to political reasons and racial distribution.

^Who are you to judge us, you are not Malaysian and I bet you have not been here.If u dun have nothing to contribute, then dun write anything without proof.

BloodyDumbfu-km...I hope the 'm' is not Malaysia...please do not be emotional. Nusantara and IM posted their opinion and you are free to argue with them.....dun be so emotional..this is a Serious Chat.

im a msian. wht proof do u mean. i quoted in figures n didnt crap.
i prefer to think tht i argue in fiery passion than emotional. is wht i write is wrong? i can improve my grammer if ur not happy

it is your preference..
you have you own reasonthat is your opinion, just ask some Indian who live in HK and feel be discriminated by most chinese. Once more that happenwed everywhere even in States. In State the discrimination happen often on black, arab, indo-pakistan and vietnam.

My relatives are in M'sia and I have lived in M'sia before. So only M'sians are allowed to judge the country? What kinda logic is that? In order to be competitive M'sia should look into the criticisms and improve themselves.

I don't mean to be rude but this kind of thread may have more impact if it's created in Japanaese or Chinese sections. There are 41 cities or towns in Malaysia with over 100 0000 population but none made it in the top 50 ranking.

The following is a ranking on cities that offer the "Best Quality of Life":

2006 Rank 2005 Rank City Country Points
1 1 Zurich Switzerland 108.2
2 2 Geneva Switzerland 108.1
3 3 Vancouver Canada 107.7
4 3 Vienna Austria 107.5
5 8 Auckland New Zealand 107.3
6 5 Düsseldorf Germany 107.2
7 6 Frankfurt Germany 107.0
8 7 Munich Germany 106.8
9 9 Bern Switzerland 106.5
9 9 Sydney Australia 106.5
11 11 Copenhagen Denmark 106.2
12 14 Wellington New Zealand 105.8
13 12 Amsterdam Netherlands 105.7
14 13 Brussels Belgium 105.6
15 16 Toronto Canada 105.4
16 16 Berlin Germany 105.1
17 14 Melbourne Australia 105.0
18 18 Luxembourg Luxembourg 104.8
18 21 Ottawa Canada 104.8
20 19 Stockholm Sweden 104.7
21 20 Perth Australia 104.5
22 22 Montreal Canada 104.3
23 22 Nürnberg Germany 104.1
24 22 Dublin Ireland 103.8
25 25 Calgary Canada 103.6
26 25 Hamburg Germany 103.4
27 25 Honolulu USA 103.3
28 28 San Francisco USA 103.2
29 29 Adelaide Australia 103.1
29 29 Helsinki Finland 103.1
31 31 Brisbane Australia 102.8
31 32 Oslo Norway 102.8
33 33 Paris France 102.7
34 35 Singapore Singapore 102.5
35 34 Tokyo Japan 102.3
36 36 Boston USA 101.9
37 37 Lyon France 101.6
37 37 Yokohama Japan 101.6
39 39 London UK 101.2
40 40 Kobe Japan 101.0
41 41 Washington USA 100.4
41 52 Chicago USA 100.4
43 42 Portland USA 100.3
44 43 Barcelona Spain 100.2
45 44 Madrid Spain 100.1
46 46 New York City USA 100.0
47 46 Seattle USA 99.9
48 47 Lexington USA 99.8
49 48 Winston Salem USA 99.7
51 50 Osaka Japan 99.6
51 51 Milan Italy 99.6
51 50 Milan Italy 98
53 52 Lisbon Portugal 97.5
53 52 Tsukuba Japan 97.5

The following is the ranking of murder rate in the world:
#14 Thailand 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#26 India 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
#34 Malaysia 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
#38 Korea, South 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
#57 Indonesia 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
#59 Hong Kong 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
#60 Japan 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people

Population below poverty line ranking:

#55 Laos 40
#57 Cambodia 40
#59 Philippines 40
#82 Vietnam 28.9
#87 Indonesia 27
#94 India 25
#118 Thailand 10
#123 Malaysia 8
#127 Korea, South 4
#129 Taiwan 1

If you don't find other SEA countries like Singapore, Japan, Brunei etc on the list. It's because they didn't make it to the ranking.

From www.state.gov the following is a report on Malaysia's problems:

The country's human rights performance improved during the year; nevertheless, problems remained. The following human rights problems were reported:

abridgement of citizens' right to change their government
incomplete investigation of detainee deaths and prisoner abuse
overcrowded prisons
detention of persons without trial or adequate access to legal representation
lengthy confinement of immigrants in detention camps in poor and overcrowded conditions
corporal punishment (caning) of illegal migrants and other prisoners
restrictions on freedom of the press
restrictions on freedom of assembly and association
increased constraints on the ability of Muslims to change their religion
violence against women
treatment of trafficking victims as illegal migrants
ethnic discrimination
minimal labor law protection for household workers

Hmm, Indonesia among the lowest murder rate in the world. malaysia could be much better if there are no millions undocumented migrants worker roaming in their countries.

In term of Poverty level countries such as Malaysia and Brunei among the lowest, I believe no poverty in Brunei. Malays really know how they manage their countries benefit for their very own people.

Well I think if any country was one big oil well, irrespetive of race, that country would be rich.

is msia considered big oil well? r we considered rich? also biggest oil palm exporter/producer or sthg like tht amg other thgs. from wht i really feel, we seem to be jus getting by, r we. if we are, does it contradict ur stmt?

Malaysia economic contribution not coming from oil but from high tech Industries, 33% of economic contribution.



No, Venezuela and Nigeria are oil producer and have hugh reserve of oil respectively #7 and #10 of oil reserve in the world., but unlike Gulf countries: Venezuela and Nigeria are still poor.

Venezuela income percapita (PPP) is just $6,186, Nigeria even very poor just $ 1,188 (PPP).

Honetsly, no one want to invite you to live in Malaysia.. How long have you stay in Malaysia? Just because of your relatives are around so that you can say anything that you want?

And in fact, you compare Malaysia with Japan!!? Are you nuts? Japan is the most advanced country in Asia.. they started their development long before Malaysia.. You see, Singapore can advanced because Malaysia were busy with the communist.. We Malaysian are really proud of our country.. if those statistic that you give makes you feel Malaysia are bad, i can't help it..

30 years ago, poverty in Malaysia is around 40%. 30 years ago, Malaysia is still fighting communist while singapore already free communist so that they can concetrate on their development.. 30 years ago, Malaysia's PPP is less than USD1000.. 27 years ago, Malaysia almost collapse beacuse of racial hatred.. if it isn't because of the toleration among the race, there will be no more Malaysia today.. since you doesn't learn from history, you doesn't have any rights to say anything here..!!

Even South Korea have people that lives under poverty.. Hmm?

You only see all the negative side of Malaysia, that what make people piss-off..

I'm talking about Brunei.


Relative to size of country Brunie I expect would have the highest oil reserve.
Isn't there a civil war in Nigeria?

i hate comparison...when i was younger mom always compare me to her friend's son and it makes me mad...she only sees the GOOD things in him and neglected MY GOOD SIDE

so in conclusion...i have nothing to say about this topic cos i dont think that we should be compared to any nation/country at all...because its not OUR aim to do so...our aim is to do our best and we should not let little things get in the way as i know it will only create problems and it shifts your centre of focus

^

Hahahahaha so asian!

im glad and proud to be one

A person does not have to live in Malaysia for a single second, to know it is a racist state just like Indonesia.


A person from a highly privileged racial calss in Malaysia can easily see it as a great place to thrive. Even if economically or financially equal to a Chinese/Indian counterpart, he/she can much more easily get into school with aids, and get into a university with mediocre scores while the Chinese/Indian could be denied despite of earning a straight-A mark. Not mentioning all the benefits endorsed by the state for the rest of his/her life.

That's why we have been told over, over, over, and over again that tens of thousands of the Chinese Malyasians have to go to other countries for their colleges educations. After they have experienced the outside world, many choose to emigrate to other countries later in their life.

The actual situation is: The racist Malaysia demands the Chinese and the most disadvantaged Indians to be "tolerant" to the "new" racist policies favoring its politically dominant majority (regarding races, but disregarding incomes). For 3 decades, the Chinese and the Indians have been coerced to accept such "toleration" demands. The privileged majority largely and comfortably "gets used to" their advantages. As a result of this, the percentages of both groups have been declining quickly over the past few decades. Hundreds of thousands of the Chinese are said to have emigrated from Malaysia in the past 30 years. When the news of better life will be in other places for their offsprings reach the home/"host" country, more are leaving in waves.

I had personally met some illegal Chinese Malaysian immigrants in New York in early 1990. I have been wondering if they would have attended a college in Malaysia, instead of laboring for long hours daily illegally for years there.

^Why those Chinese Malaysian who did emigration do not choose to emigrate to chinese majority country? instead they are going again to other people country.

well, if you are saying about college, do you know that most of the private sector scholarship goes to chinese and indians..? There are many ways if they really need financial assistance here.. but i believed some of them are only making lame excuses..

you said you personally met Malaysia (chinese) in NY.. laboring for long hours there.. I think it is because of the pay that they get is far more what they can get here.. Indian can enroll to Industrial Training Centre, not just Malay.. Chinese as well.. I agree if you said Malaysia is a bit racist if it is 15 years or 20 years ago.. but i think nowadays the racist has been reduced significantly..

that's what really make piss-off.. you are not a Malaysian, not even have set your foot here, and yet you are trying to say something about you don't really know..

Maybe there hundreds of thousand chinese emigrates from Malaysia nowadays.. but do you know that there are hundreds of thounsand mainland chinese illegally imigrate to Malaysia using the social visit?

You are making all kinds of LAME excusses defending the racist policies. I never set a foot on S. Africa, but we all know that it had been a racist state well into the modern days. I never live in Malaysia, and I feel VERY FORTUNATE because of it. Many others and I would be worse off if we were born Chinese Malaysians. Otherwise, I would have to tell our sad stories as those Chinese Malaysian friends (in US universities or in other US societies) had/have to.

I really wish that Malaysia were a great place to live for its significant minorities. But the reality says the opposite. I just can not pretend that things are as rosy as you described for the majority and the minorities.

I would try to let others do the talk as much as possible.


1. How significant is the illegal Chinese immigration?

http://english.people.com.cn/200306/11/eng...11_117987.shtml

80% of the illegal immigrants are from Indonesia!

As long as NETFLOW of the Chinese and the Chinese Malaysians to Malaysia is big negative, an inflow does not help much to your defense.

2. " All independent Chinese secondary schools are supported through student fees and donations from the public. Students in these schools take a standardised test known as the Unified Examination Certificate (UEC), which is restricted to the 61 Chinese independent secondary schools in Malaysia. Some students in these schools take SPM examinations as private candidates. UEC has been run by the Dong Jiao Zhong (the association of Chinese school teachers and trustees) since 1975. It is recognised as the entrance qualification in many tertiary educational institutions in the United Kingdom, United States, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Singapore and many others. It is not recognised by the government of Malaysia for entry into public universities, but most private colleges recognise it."

Why????????????????????????????????????????????

3." The following is a list of the public universities in Malaysia open to all Malaysians, listed according to the date of their formation:

University of Malaya (UM)
Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM)
Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia (UKM)
Universiti Putra Malaysia (UPM)
Universiti Teknologi Malaysia (UTM)
Universiti Utara Malaysia (UUM)
International Islamic University Malaysia (IIUM)
Universiti Malaysia Sarawak (UNIMAS)
Universiti Malaysia Sabah (UMS)
Universiti Pendidikan Sultan Idris (UPSI)

The following Universities are restricted:

Universiti Teknologi MARA (UiTM) - Bumiputra only.
The following is a (non-exhaustive) list of private universities in Malaysia. Private universities students pay full tuition fees and most of the universities are formed by GLC (Government Linked Companies).

Multimedia University (formerly University Telekom) (MMU) - Owned by Telekom Malaysia (Malaysia's national telecommunications carrier)
Universiti Tenaga Nasional (Uniten) - Owned by Tenaga Nasional (Malaysia's national electric company)
International Medical University (IMU) - A private medical university in Kuala Lumpur.
Open University Malaysia (OUM) - A private university using Open and Distance Learning pedagogy

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In 2004, the prime minister announced that only two per cent of Chinese students attended government schools. Opposition figure, Lim Guan Eng also came out in saying that 60,000 non-Chinese students attended Chinese vernacular schools.

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The ruling political alliance is composed of ethnically based parties and one of the concessions allowed by the controlling Malay party is to allow the Chinese and Indian parties to start colleges."

Some of the private universities are said to be run by the government!

4. "Over time, the share of the national wealth owned by the non-Bumiputra races has increased beyond the 40% mark in spite of the policies implemented under the NEP. However, this represents an aggregation of the non-Bumiputra population and certain segments of the population live in direst poverty, particularly much of the Malaysian Indian and Orang Asli populations. Collectively the Indian and Orang Asli form the lowest strata of the population in terms of economic ownership. It needs to be noted here that the Orang Asli of Peninsular Malaysia are not considered Bumiputra under the Federal Constitution despite having arrived before the Malays (see Bumiputra for further information).

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The removal of quotas was largely reported to have resulted in an increase in the percentage of Bumiputra entering public universities. Although this may be related to the issues discussed above, it needs to be pointed out that the is still strong distrust of the public university entry system by non-Bumputra regardless of whether this distrust is necessary. As such, most non-Bumiputra who can afford it choose to enter private colleges or to go overseas to further their education which tend to have a more guaranteed route for success. This system has become entrenched prior to the removal of hard quotas and for many reasons including the ones mentioned above, may not change anytime soon. As such, there is a significant proportion of non-Bumiputra who do not enter into contention for admission to public universities. It needs also to be pointed out that the number of places available in public universities is far lower than necessary to fulfill the needs of the Malaysian population. As such, the standard required for entry is likely to be far higher than is necessary or ideal.

This part of the NEP has also contributed to noticeable brain drain of talented people in all areas. Some of these people has settled outside of Malaysia and found success in countries like Singapore,Australia, Canada and others."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_New_Economic_Policy

Despite Malaysia's positive discrimination policies, the majority Malays to a large extent live in harmony with the minorities and we dun have the same level discrimination as S.Africa did. And some of us dun really agree to the policies like the stuid 5% discount on expensive houses which only the rich Bumis can afford.

The NEP is a complex matter,a foreigner like you can never understand. Since u say u are a scientist, u better do research on it. The NEP is also temporary, once the objectives has been achieved, many of the privilieges will be terminated. The NEP was also mutually agreed by MCA and MIC , even when the government extended it, they asked MCA and MIC first.

I know Malaysia is not rosy or whatever, but you have no righ to say that it is not a good place to live in. It is our home.

I never said that I am a scientist.

The racially largely divided, physically and mentally, Malaysia must be much better than S. Africa 20 years ago, but it is still one of very few racist states. NEP may be too complex for me, but THINK about the much underpriviledged Indians and Orang Asli, if not some poor Chinese. Can you understand their misfortune????????? NEP is now 3 decades old, affecting generations of Malaysians, career-or-education-or-life-in-general-wise. How temporary is that? If its beneficiaries still want it, or if the government wants its appeal to the beneficiaries, can the minorities like the Indians as a whole take their chance to stand up against it? Of course they would not, considering how dearly their past opposition had costed them.

Living in a small but civil community with people from perhaps over 35 countries, I feel that the so-called Malaysia racial "harmony" is superficial at the best, and forced at the worst.

If you feel that Malaysia OVERALL is a good place for you, you don't have to emigrate to Australia, Canada, Singapore, and USA, UNLIKE many other Chinese Malaysians. (I do not doubt that Malaysia is your home, as almost all my Chinese Malaysian friends think so. After all, they were all born and grew up there. But I think that their offsprings should be born in and associated with much better places FOR THEM, even though many areas of Malaysia are predominantly non-Malay.)

Hmnn I think I could say a better view since I'm a Malaysian chinese.

Note is Malaysian chinese and not Chinese Malaysian like claims 15 years ago. Migration doesn't mean that 'the person' is going thru some hard time, discriminated or tortures etc There are Malays migrat to England too... does this mean even Malays are not happy with the government (which in this context is said that sided on Bumi's) too?

I whatever angle, peace and moderation is the ark most important. Just like Indonesia everyone should be treated equally at first but happen in 1997-98 during the economic crisis? The chinese ethnics are murdered, rape, crucified, massacre, humiliated etc, is this what we want or do we want to repeat this at May 13?

They will be people migrating for sure, just like my own brother(10 years older) but I don't blame him because during his time 10 yrs ago, life is tougher, you can't get ½ of government project if you are not Malays, but remember there is always 2 sides of everything. And the crucial part is ultimate achievement of peace, moderation and harmony.

Even at warung "i experience unpleasant stuff b4" e.g I use to have a Malays girl friend and we have dinner, like usual she got to dine 'halal' When I order the dishes(i'm can be distinguish as Chinese bcos of my look and I'm wearing short pants) and paid for 16++ for 2 persons (I thought it was ok) but when we go there again having the same thing but this time she paid(I when to toilet) for it, the price only 9.20.... I paid double. But those were the days(PAST) and I believe many Malays friend here would feel disgusted on the act of this 1 individual. Jangan kerana setitis nila, merosakkan semua susu

Hey lose abit won't kill but winning everything and push someone to do drastic things "would kill"

I use to think it is unfair.... but not now, if look from front/straight it seems to be. However if you view it the other way... hey so what if i can get discount or special benefit??? I work harder and smarter right? If we are smarter and togher then will we be that vulnerable to economic crisis/attacks??? U know the answer.

Our government is not stupid. Overly helping/Spoon feeding is not "HELP" it is actually damaging and spoiling. I believe our PM and his people knows, that why he has been doing a lot of unpopular things BUT nescessary for future stability.

So please be it MALAYSIAN OR FOREIGNER OR MIGRATED brethen. Give us peace. Don't stir unwanted/negative philosophy, ideas, etc if you REALLY WANT TO HELP, promote peace and Balance

I never intend to stir racial confrontation in Malaysia. I do not encourage Chinese Malaysians to "overly" voice their concerns, resentment, and worries about mistreatments based on race or ethnicity ("understandably" Malaysia officially likes to talk about discriminations based on sex or gender but not based on race or ethnicity), because the suspicion of sedition could incite masses to confront violently. It is not the right times, till the society becomes more civil and tolerant to different opinions or things. For the moment, let the outside world, unfortunately less informed and with no "right", does the talking. Hopefully, the outside world can get to learn more from more exposures of the problems, and hopefully Malaysia cares about its international image in a supposedly more and more civilized world.

In peace times, the Chinese and especially Indian minorities have to passively accept the "necessary evil" of the "fair" or unfair racistl policies. In unrest times, they can become the easiest targests of violence. Peace is what they need the most, for they would be in a very precarious position if they are considered to have crossed certain lines or if they are considered to be responsible for a possible economical crisis. Older Chinese or Indian generations should understand more about the importance of peace, and I believe that they have to tell the younger ones its importance by justifying the current situations. Self-preservation is not something that should be blamed under many circumstances.

In fact, the more vulnerable Indians generally deserve more sympathies than the Chinese in Malaysia.

http://www.indianmalaysian.com/klanglama.htm#threedead


You should not blame your brother because he has the right to decide his destiny. Maybe someday you will understand him more for he has experienced things that you have not.

Arghh.. again.. it still about education..

1. Do you know that for last year, 50,000 chinese tourist didn't go back to their country.. go and google it yourself.. If every year is 50,000... in 10 years it will become 500,000.. got it scientist?

2. you are asking why government didn't support this school? You only see this 61 Chinese independent secondary schools that gov didn't support.. But what about the other hundreds of vernucular school that were supported by Gov.? Frankly speaking, if i'm the PM, i will close all the vernacular school.. Do you know why? Gov. made a lot of school.. and these schools isn't called Bumiputra school.. but it is called National school.. All Malaysian should go to these school.. no Indian school, chinese school or even arabic school.. It is for the sake of national unity.. In my view, because of this kind of school, Malaysian doesn't really unite.. And for your information, gov. school offered those chinese & tamil language subjects.. not all school offered it but if the school request for the subject, gov. will grant it..

3. Before you do something.. Please.. i said please do your research..

All the gov. Unis. have at least 20 - 30% non bumiputra student.. or even more..
For UiTM, once the NEP objective is achieved, it will be open to all..
In fact, MARA training centres, where its only open to Bumiputra before, already accepted other races as well..

About the GLC private universities.. All i can say that there are more chinese and indian compared to Bumiputra.. I know this very much because i'm one of these uni. graduate.

4. Forrestcat answered it already ..


I didn't defend the racist policies.. in fact i admit it that it is a racist policies.. But the things are getting better and better than before.. Like i said, if you said about this thing 25 or 20 years ago.. it very true.. but now, its almost wrong.. and in the future, i hope its gonna be very wrong..

It really makes me pissed-off when somebody doesn't know anything, just read from internet, heard some stories and lame excuses, never set his foot here, believe he is one of the divine man to talk about racist and suddenly said that the Malaysian gov. are racist.. And, please tell me which gov. in the world that doesn't racist, even a bit? Sorry.. my words are harshed..

I appreciate wewill curiosity about Malaysia's positive discrimination policy. I hope the answers from Malaysians here will help him understand the situation better.

Ahh.. my bad.. suddenly i become overly emotional.. *Say sorry to Wewill quick!!*

Sorry Wewill..