Haha man I imagine the northern accent again!

I have a core group of friends who I have known for soooo many years.  We don't see each other often anymore cuz many of the guys and girls got kids and families now, but I know if I ever need any kind of help they're always there.  Well a few of them have the Vieng Chan accent.  It is soooo funny to me when they say this, which they do often.  Some of my friends have such short tempers.  Get into fights and conflicts so much that I was surprised people from other countries think us Lao peeps are "passive".  Haha as a matter of fact we were going out tonight to a local club, and the guys got into a fight before we even got inside.  Needless to say we had to leave.

There are two well known funny songs in Thailand.
One is Khmer chasing buffalos.
Another one is Crying lao.

Now I fully understand why there such songs.
These people just can't stop crying and living in their past glory.
I would love if those khmer beggars going back to their home.
I rather like lao labor who we are importing they every loyal cheap.
They said they made one-third of what they earn here. Poor them , Thailand is one of cheapest labor cost, still lao is three times cheaper.

Happy?

quaid, actually, it's no big deal to Khon Lao.  There is actually a saying in Pasa Lao, "it's hard to know the intentions of Khon Thai when they talk sweeter than sugar". 
Someone even coined the term "The land of Deadly Smiles" because of the crime and violence in Thailand. 
It's true that overall Laos is poorer than Thailand, but invidually, Khon Lao live much better than Thai.  With a population of 60-70 million, the average Khon Thai struggle to even put food in their mouth.  That's why Khon Thais are like "Hyaenas" always ready to scavenge from other people.

OH! really.

 

I've been to Thailand. The ethnic Chinese lives so much better than ethnic Thais.

My family came back from Laos not too long ago and shared many great stories of the motherland. One of the story they told me was about how some Thais came to Laos and bought Lao fabrics and went back home to Thailand and had it copyright and then callin it a Thai frabric. When will it stop...

Hahahahaha. I'm not surprised.

That sucks. The Thais stole everything from Cambodia and Laos. They should stop doing that.

Careful on d word stole dude We Adopt dude not stole ,after we adapt d culture we adapt it again. And don't forget that Thai is adopt mon culture as well perhaps more than Khmae culture.
any way u guys already blame us that we stole many things from Khmer ,how about tranny why u not claim that we steal d tranny trend from Khmae

there's noting khmer and lao can do bout thai exploiting us. food, temples whatever. you know that thai ransack not only angkor but lovek, and both time they capture artisans. they try to pass it of as thai, and they can because we're too weak. they say they changed and adapted it, but minor diffrences from the original. then most say khmer took culture form india, but look at india and cambodia, the ancient structures are more easily distinguished. look at thai, lao and khmer, kinda harder.

OMG! Some of the stories that the elders tell us makes me sick sometimes. The Laos did this to Thai, the Thai did this to Laos. Man get over it already! The past is the past. We can build a better future together!!!!

Where's that Pro-Thai guy (Sirikittong) to defend his country

He went out of buisiness.

When you wake up every day, Laos will still be an impoverished 3rd world. Its people will still be making 600+ dollars a year; its government will still be a corrupt communist dictatorship; and what is worse of all, THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of Laotians will still flock to the border of Thailand to search for jobs and a better way of life.

So much for your antics.

Get back to reality.

lol. out of business? Try busy because Im taking Microbiology and Crystal Physics over the summer.

But since you guys are talking about this subject, Lan Xan did make a good point about the cultural beauty of the Chinese, and the borrowing the Japanese implemented on Chinese Imperial systems, their writing systems, court etiquette to religion. But one LARGE error that Lan Xan made was the comparison of Laos and Thailand to the same relationship between China and Japan. His comparison was not only wrong, but futile in his attempt to try to incite Thai posters and readers. First of all, Laos NEVER exported culture to Thailand, nor has LAOS exported anything to Thailand besides Lao refugees and Lao illegal immigrants, which are coming into Thailand by the THOUSANDS every year.

Laos and its precursor state of Lan Xang never exported culture, arts, religion to Thailand (Ayuthaya/Siam) because Ayuthaya was established well before the establishment of Lan Xang. Additionally, Ayuthaya/Siam as well as other Tai states such as Lanna, Lan Xang all came from the Nanzhao Empire; that would be a more correct comparison. Additionally, Ayuthaya/Siam as well as Laos/Lan Xang adopted culture and arts that was Mon/Khmer in originality and it should be to the Khmer people we give thanks for introducing to us their beautiful culture for which we, as a people, have refined and glorified for almost a thousand years. You see, my friend, you fail to understand in the human trait of borrowing/taking/owning. This happens and did happen throughout the world. Take an example of Roman Empire and its gift of republican law, roads, legionary combat, architecture and ways of war to the lands it once controlled; take an example of India and its cultural exportation to south and south east asia. These are all examples of cultural 'sharing' so to say.

In the end, the Thais and the Lao are both guilty of sharing and taking other cultures that were not ours in a manner of speaking. So for you to talk about how the Thais/Lao have a symbiotic relatioship as China/Japan is utterly and pathetically infantile.

When you wake up every day, Laos will still be an impoverished 3rd world. Its people will still be making 600+ dollars a year; its government will still be a corrupt communist dictatorship; and what is worse of all, THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of Laotians will still flock to the border of Thailand to search for jobs and a better way of life.

So much for your antics.

Get back to reality.

If Lao never contributed anything to Thailand, then explain the Lao language script found in SukhoThai? Explain why Khon Lao can read the Thai script and Thai can't read ours? The Thai language script is a modify version of the Lao script which comes from Sanskirt via Cambodia.

Who drove the Burmese out when they attacked and burnt down Ayuthaya? Yes, It was your "Ai Lao" who Thais love to hate, but you never mention it in your history books, I see(see, your hatred for us even exist till today, that's why you made that movie poking fun at us).

And why is it that the Cambodians still hate the Thais? Shouldn't the Cambodians hate Lao too? After all, both Lao and Thai fought and stole land from the Khmer empire. The difference between Lao and Thai is that Khon Lao acknowledge Cambodian influence of Laos, but on the other hand, Thais make idiotic claims saying the Angkor Wat is theirs. Also the Cambodians know that Khon Lao are proud of being South East Asian, but can they say the same with Thais who marry White Western foreigners in the millions so they can look like Europeans and put half-breed Thais on T.V. and fool people into believing the average Thai look like that. If that's not inferiority complex, then what is?

And Last time I checked, Khon Lao are not killing each on a daily basis. Thais cut each other throats for 10 cents. That's how hungry the average Thai is. Thai women are selling their body for a buck. Thai boys are turning into She-Boys for a buck too. Now tell me who has the better quality of life?

P.S. "Sharing" and "Copying" are two different things. I think you gotten the two confused. You might want to look it up in the dictionary.

The Thai migrated into the Indo-Chinese peninsula from their home in China sometime around 400 B.C. After migrating into Indo-China, the Thai were within the empire of the Mon, which was the governing race in the area, roughly from the 5th century A.D. onward. In the 10th century A.D., the Khmer (Cambodians) began to migrate into the Thai area and eventually succeeded the Mon so that the Thai came to be ruled by the Khmer empire .

It is stated in Thai history that King Si Intharathit of Sukhothai freed Thailand from the Khmer and established Sukhothai as the capital of Thailand in 1257 A.D. From that time on the Thai became the dominant force in central Thailand. King Ramkhamhaeng, the second son of King Si Intharathit, was a very independent lord. He had a strong national feeling and wanted to form a official Thai script which he wished to have as something purely Thai, free from Mon or Khmer influence. He therefore invented a Thai script called "The Sukhothai Script" in 1283 A.D. It is well known as the earliest Thai writing. The ultimate source of the Sukhothati script was a form of the ancient Brahmi script of South India called "Grantha". The Grantha form of the Brahmi script is the source of the Khmer script. the Grantha came to be used in Indo-China through the spread of the Buddhist religion and trade contacts. In 300 B.C., Ceylon became the first country in Southeast Asia to begin using the Grantha script. the earliest inscription in the Khmer language is dated from 611 A.D.. The script on this inscription is similar to the Grantha script.

The Sukhothai script of King Ramkhamhaeng was used untill 1357. In 1357, in the reign of King Li Thai, the grandson of King Ramkhamhaeng, a new script called "King Li Thai script" came to be used. It is evident that the shapes of the letters in the King Li Thai script are based on the Sukhothai ones, although some of them were modified.

Ayutthaya was established as the capital of Thailand replacing of Sukhothai in 1378. During the early periods of the Ayutthaya Kingdom, the King Li Thai script had been used, though certain changes had been introduced through the process of time. In 1680, during the reign of King Narai, the script called "King Narai script" was brought into use. The King Narai script has been developed and preserved as our national Thai script up to now.

King Taksin was the only king of the Thon Buri Period. He has been recognized as one of the great Thai kings, for his prowess in warfare, his leadership in liberating the country after Ayutthaya was taken by the Burmese in 1767, and his ability in unifying the country after it had been split up into many factions.

King Taksin was born in 1733 in the reign of King Borommakot of Ayutthaya. He was originally called Sin. His father was a Chinese named Haihong of the Tae clan, who had immigrated to Thailand. The King's mother was a Thai called Nok Lang.There is reliable evidence, that prior to his entering government service, Sin was a trader with a fleet of carts. Later, in recognition of services he had rendered, he was appointed Governor of Tak Province.






In 1765, Phraya Tak came to Ayutthaya to help defend the capital. He fought valiantly and earned great recognition. He was promoted to the title and rank of Phraya Wachira Prakan, Governor of Kamphaeng Phet. It is believed, that prior to the fall of Ayutthaya, he got out of the capital by fighting his way through the Burmese seige with the aim of assembling men to liberate the country.

According to the royal Thai chronicle, Phraya Tak and his followers, after breaking out of Ayutthaya, headed for the east coast. On the way, they encountered many Burmese troops but were able to defeat them all. He became widely known for his military prowess and many came to pledge their service.

In the fifth lunar month of the year 1767, Ayutthaya was lost to the Burmese and the attitudes of high ranking officials changed with the situation. Some thought of setting themselves up as heads of state. Even Phraya Chantaburi, who had promised friendship to Phraya Tak, revoked his promise. The latter, therefore, led his army to capture Chantaburi and Trad and returned to make a stand at Chantaburi, making it his headquarters for collection of provisions and arms. In the meantime, other commanders and officers came to join him. The most important was Nai Sudchinda, an officer of the Royal Pages Department, who later became Khrom Phra Ratchawang Bawon Sathan Monkon in the Reign of King Rama I.



At the end of the monsoon season, Phraya Tak led his forces from Chantaburi to the Chao Phraya River delta in the twelfth lunar month of the same year. After he had taken Thon Buri, he attacked the Pho Sam Ton Camp in Ayutthaya and was able to seize the camp in two days. His triumph over the Burmese at the Pho Sam Ton Camp was symbolic of the liberation of the country. After capturing the camp, he tried to put the country back in order. Then he brought people back to Thon Buri and established it as his capital because the site was more appropriate than Ayutthaya. In 1768 he was crowned king. After the coronation, King Taksin proceeded at once to unify the country . Besides waging war to drive the Burmese out of the country, the king had to subdue the Thais who set themselves up as heads of various factions. His military successes resulted in the country being united once again.

hey Sirikittcock, shut the fu-k up

It was addressed to MMAI a.k.a Lanxan, not you.

Laos not corrupt? LoL. Dont get me started.

True Thailand has corruption, but that was not the synthesis of my previous post; it was merely to prove a rhetorical point.

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LOL. I cant believe you actually wrote all that cr@p.

First of all, when you mentioned this preposterous claim that 'LAO' invented the Thai script is utterly unbased and unsupported but directly illegitimate. The inventor of the modern Thai/Lao script was King Ramkhamhaeng the Great; one of the monarchs of the first Thai Kingdom established in south east asia, Sukkothaiya. The Laotians today do retain the major parts of the script invented by King Ramkhamhaeng the Great because of the lack of Khmer influence, of which Ayuthaya/Sukkothaiya later was immersed in. The reason why Thais have a 'hard' time understanding original Thai script is simply answered by the fact that when the seat of power was transferred from Sukkothaiya to Ayuthaya in the 14th and 15th century, the Ayuthayan Empire, which had heavy influences from the Mon people of the former Haripunjaya as well as from the wars with Angkor; which resulted in massive cultural borrowing/taking on our part. As a result, the Ramkhamhaeng's writing script was fused with sanskrit that the Khmer Empire utilized. Hence, Thai writing system has BOTH original Sukkothaiya and Sanskrit.

Source:

Chaichana, C. 1963. History of Thailand. Kasembanakit, Bangkok.
Danvivathana, N. 1987. The Thai Writing System.Helmut Buske verlag. Hamburg.
Pattamadilok, K. 1977. The History of the Thai Language. Chiangmai Book Center, Bangkok.
The National Library. 1977. The First Inscription in Sukhothai Period: Khun Ramkhamhaeng Inscription. Krung Sayam Kanphim. Bangkok.
Its not that Laos exported the language/writing system to Thailand (false and impulsive claim), but merely the heavier contact with the Khmers with Ayuthaya had a direct impact.

Secondly, you mention about the wars with Burma; when did I ever mention this in my post? It has NOTHING to do with my point at all. What you just posted was utter idiocy. Siam/Ayuthaya was saved not by Laotians, but by the people of Siam and by the GREATNESS of King Taksin.
http://www.wangdermpalace.com/kingtaksin/eng_thegreat.html

In conclusion. Your posts are all very negative and reflects your hateful malcontent with anything Thai. Your disgusting impressions on Thai people and your infantile as well as narcisstic generalizations shows and illustrates your idiotic nature.

You sir are a troll.

That is your own choice to make; but note that Im providing academic sources to back up my claim, whereas you do not. Whose' the one with the legitimacy, now?

Cheers!

Okay me clearify the whole thing to you guys so but keep the debate going cause I learn many things from it. In northern thailand there are different groups of lao and non tai that makes up the people. The northern thai are lao but thai by unity and nationality. In northern thailand the lao are tai puan, tai lue, tai dam, tai daeng, tai yuan, tai neur , and tai yai( shan). NOw, in northern laos the lao are tai puan, tai lue, tai dam, tai daeng, tai yuan, tai neur. As you can see in northern laos and northern thailand it is the same. Every tai and town in laos has a different design for their SIN that shows the history of that group and represent their tai group. IF you compare tai vieng chan to tai puans design it would look different. NOw let me explain why thailand did not steel design from laos. All the groups you have in laos thailand has . Why ? cause we are the same people. Its just we have two different governments and our politics is what seperate us. Lanna = luangprabang lanxang, northern issan= vieng chan lanxang, half of southern issan = champasak lanxang. There is the reason why thailand did not steal design and fabric from laos. We buy it in laos because it is chaeaper to get it from laos then buy the ones that it mad in thailand. Once we get if from laos we stamp made in thailand then sell it. If its made in laos and made in thailand, what is the difference. I can understand if its made in cambodia or vietnam. In this case it was made by the same people on the other side of the mekong why would it matter?

Now about siamese and the sukhothai language and script. IF you read ancient thai and lao language 800 years ago there are no differences. The central thai used to speak like the central lao of vieng chan and puan. The only reason why the central thai language so much is the influence from MOn/khmer language. The majority of the people in central thai back then were MON KHMER and MALAY. Only the minority and ruling class were ai lao(first group from Nanchao) and tai (second group from Nanchao) . During the time of Sukhothai , lao and thai were still the same people using the script of King Ramkhamhaeng and speaking like vieng chan and puans of xieng khuang. As years went by central thai language began to evole with influence of MON/Khmer the script also got influence and change . The mordern day thai script is a mixture of sukhothai and khmer script. My point is when you guys argue it doesn't get anywhere because when you go back a few hundred years you guys are the same country and same people.

^Thanks you for supporting my claims, Kun Tien.

Kap kon na krap.