09 April 2004
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DAI_VIET
Full Version: Ignore Some Khmers In This Forum
Life would be easier if we all ignored each other.
-Norm
-Norm
and we could ignore everybody else who's stupid too.. 
QUOTE (Cevilgenius @ Apr 10 2004, 04:13 PM)
Life would be easier if we all ignored each other.
-Norm
-Norm
not really.. if u drive into a person moving 'cuz u ignore their existence.. not a good idea
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Killing Field memories drive Cambodian support for war
Friday, March 28, 2003 - LOWELL Chang Tan didn't mince words when asked for her views on America's war with Iraq.
"He is good. Bush very good man," she said, giving a thumbs-up while eating lunch at the Khemara Restaurant in Cupples Square.
"She is happy," said cashier Volak Nuon, who interprets Tan's Khmer, "because she thinks Bush will be successful removing Saddam Hussein from power."
Like many Cambodians living in Lowell, Tan's family was decimated by the Khmer Rouge in the late 1970s. Tan, 59, escaped, but her mother, brother and sister were all killed by Pol Pot's army.
In Cambodia from 1975 to 1979, the Khmer Rouge killed everyone who stood in the way of remaking the country into an agrarian regime. Millions died under Pol Pot's rule.
Saddam, Cambodians say, could be worse.
"I am scared of him," Tan said. "He is may be worse than Pol Pot; he has more power, more weapons."
Americans may be divided over whether the country should be at war with Iraq, but Cambodian immigrants, who relate to the Iraqi people living under the dictatorship of Saddam, are not.
"This war is good to take power from him (Saddam Hussein). He is not good leader. Saddam Hussein, take all power from him, for the people of Iraq," said 74-year-old You Nuon.
"War is not good for anybody, but we support this war 100 percent," said Dor Premong, his wife.
Premong lived in Cambodia during Pol Pot's reign. Her two sisters were brutally murdered because one of their husbands was a teacher Pol Pot particularly targeted the educated. Listening to Premong speak about the situation, a relative interjects.
"Someone should save (the Iraqis) the way the Vietnamese saved us," said a 42-year-old man who preferred not to give his name. Pol Pot was overthrown by a Vietnamese invasion in 1979 and went into hiding.
Even young Cambodians who never lived under Khmer Rouge rule tend to side with Bush in the war.
"It's a good idea to go to Iraq. I don't want to see people suffering," said David Lee, 17. "I fully support Bush. The way he did it is right. Without him going to war, there will be a lot of crime."
Delving into a meal of chicken wings and fish, Tan and her husband, Richard, say they would write a letter to President Bush to voice their support, if they knew English.
"I am grateful. Proud like a father for him," Richard Tan said through an interpreter.
When Tan thinks about the Americans who have protested the war, he shakes his head. "They don't understand the story. They don't look at the future. Maybe more die now, but in the future it's worse," he said.
Friday, March 28, 2003 - LOWELL Chang Tan didn't mince words when asked for her views on America's war with Iraq.
"He is good. Bush very good man," she said, giving a thumbs-up while eating lunch at the Khemara Restaurant in Cupples Square.
"She is happy," said cashier Volak Nuon, who interprets Tan's Khmer, "because she thinks Bush will be successful removing Saddam Hussein from power."
Like many Cambodians living in Lowell, Tan's family was decimated by the Khmer Rouge in the late 1970s. Tan, 59, escaped, but her mother, brother and sister were all killed by Pol Pot's army.
In Cambodia from 1975 to 1979, the Khmer Rouge killed everyone who stood in the way of remaking the country into an agrarian regime. Millions died under Pol Pot's rule.
Saddam, Cambodians say, could be worse.
"I am scared of him," Tan said. "He is may be worse than Pol Pot; he has more power, more weapons."
Americans may be divided over whether the country should be at war with Iraq, but Cambodian immigrants, who relate to the Iraqi people living under the dictatorship of Saddam, are not.
"This war is good to take power from him (Saddam Hussein). He is not good leader. Saddam Hussein, take all power from him, for the people of Iraq," said 74-year-old You Nuon.
"War is not good for anybody, but we support this war 100 percent," said Dor Premong, his wife.
Premong lived in Cambodia during Pol Pot's reign. Her two sisters were brutally murdered because one of their husbands was a teacher Pol Pot particularly targeted the educated. Listening to Premong speak about the situation, a relative interjects.
"Someone should save (the Iraqis) the way the Vietnamese saved us," said a 42-year-old man who preferred not to give his name. Pol Pot was overthrown by a Vietnamese invasion in 1979 and went into hiding.
Even young Cambodians who never lived under Khmer Rouge rule tend to side with Bush in the war.
"It's a good idea to go to Iraq. I don't want to see people suffering," said David Lee, 17. "I fully support Bush. The way he did it is right. Without him going to war, there will be a lot of crime."
Delving into a meal of chicken wings and fish, Tan and her husband, Richard, say they would write a letter to President Bush to voice their support, if they knew English.
"I am grateful. Proud like a father for him," Richard Tan said through an interpreter.
When Tan thinks about the Americans who have protested the war, he shakes his head. "They don't understand the story. They don't look at the future. Maybe more die now, but in the future it's worse," he said.
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"Someone should save (the Iraqis) the way the Vietnamese saved us," said a 42-year-old man who preferred not to give his name. Pol Pot was overthrown by a Vietnamese invasion in 1979 and went into hiding.
Well, at least a khmer out there knows what to say. Depite all negative comments (toward Viets) from a few khmer in this forum, I still believe most khmers are peace- loving people
Lets ignore them.
It's okay Byron. Vietnamese don't really hate them, it's them that hate us. If they hate us, they'll start killing us, and we'll retaliate with force, then take more of their lands, and they complain to us, then b!tching about it more. Gosh, these guys don't really get it, so just let it go. The government will take care of it.
I agree with DV, we are still waiting for another excuse... LOL
there are more Khmers here that hate us in AF.. but i haven't met one that is against Vietnamese like them tho..
Why can't we all be friends?
^ yup i feel bad for those Vietnamese who live in Cambodia, that's really sad if most of them hate us tho, there are innocent Vietnamese who will suffer, and i think the same goes for Khmers... but there are Khmers who are genuinely nice tho.
like akara
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First they make a thread and talk smack about Vietnamese, now they wanna ignore us...buncha wierdo
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=0&#entry137388
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 11 2004, 01:15 AM)
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=0&#entry137388
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
OMG
QUOTE (July_Rain @ Apr 11 2004, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 11 2004, 01:15 AM)
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=0&#entry137388
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
OMG LOL. Tell me about it.
Well, the resentment of the Khmer to the VietNamese rooted back several decades if not centuries is perfectly understandable. whether the treaties are signed or conquered by force,we took their land which cutting them off from the sea. Don't get me wrong,I'm always grateful for what our ancestors dit in order to expand the country. Anyway, It happened in the ancient time.
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
QUOTE (TDscorpion @ Apr 11 2004, 02:31 AM)
Well, the resentment of the Khmer to the VietNamese rooted back several decades if not centuries is perfectly understandable. whether the treaties are signed or conquered by force,we took their land which cutting them off from the sea. Don't get me wrong,I'm always grateful for what our ancestors dit in order to expand the country. Anyway, It happened in the ancient time.
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
I agree with you there Scorpion. But some of these guys have gone way too far!
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 11 2004, 02:19 AM)
QUOTE (July_Rain @ Apr 11 2004, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 11 2004, 01:15 AM)
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=0&#entry137388
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
Funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. Period! Oh my God, wow! That is so funny.
OMG LOL. Tell me about it.
I feel the heat
Yeah I agree that if you put yourself in their position it is most certain that you'll feel the same as what they're going through now, that's why I'm trying not to go too hard on them. They've been through alot recently, we shouldn't be kicking them while they're down. 
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Apr 11 2004, 02:37 AM)
Yeah I agree that if you put yourself in their position it is most certain that you'll feel the same as what they're going through now, that's why I'm trying not to go too hard on them. They've been through alot recently, we shouldn't be kicking them while they're down.
Exactly, NQSH....We 're all love our country Vietnam so much, so do they. Especially the Cham and the Khmer Krom people, I heard some of them said that their old temple in South VN was destroyed for a public project. I understand how they feel.
Well, the resentment of the Khmer to the VietNamese rooted back several decades if not centuries is perfectly understandable. whether the treaties are signed or conquered by force,we took their land which cutting them off from the sea. Don't get me wrong,I'm always grateful for what our ancestors dit in order to expand the country. Anyway, It happened in the ancient time.
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
from human perspective alone, I would support the invasion of Cambodia in 1979 for these reasons : stop the genocide and save Khmer culture from being destroyed. Other than those, I also believe VietNam has the rights to defend hersefl by any means even to invade Cambodia just to overthrow the Khmer Rouge.
The Khmer Rouge was not the only enemy of Khmer but aslso the enemy of mankind as well.Don't you agree?. Just looking back, Can you tell me which nation had the guts to come in saving the Khmer. Think again,the shadow of Rwanda genocide was a shame, a subject which UN doen't want to discuss, Did they swear not to let another genocide happen after Holocaust?
Why do the Khmer still hate us after we saved them from nearly extinction? Is it 10 years of atrocities?. Is it the establishment of puppet goverment? Can we compare the Vietnamese atrocities in Cambodia to Japanese atrocities in Asia?.Last but not least, Is the U.S forming puppet goverment in Iraq (the war that the Khmer supported?) and they did so in Afghanistan.
As a VietNamese, I do not feel proud that We defeat a weaker nation, War is the last resort, but in this case I would support My country. I wish, VietNam could withdraw from Cambodia Sooner and allow the U.N to take over and Helping the Khmer to rebuid their country. Why would we stay there for 10 years where we are not even appreciated? Can we ever "VietNamized" the Khmer? Can We make them disappear from the face of the earth?. We may conquer them by force but I doubt that We ever win their hearts and minds. Perhaps, We are much better off today if we withdrew sooner even there was a chance of civil war. It is the Khmer affair ...Let's the Khmer or UN deal with it, as long as our Territorial sovereignty is not violated.
Now talking about barbaric acts of Khmer Rouge and Khmer extremists(not the whole population)have had committed crimes against the helpless VietNamese women, Children and innocent people are not strange things to me. These people are not even worth to discuss. The Khmer rough is still understandable,They just killed anyone including their own people The Khmer extremists are whole brunch of cowards, timid, small minded people that Cambodia has to be ashamed of. Their barbaric acts won't bring pride to the Khmer but shame.
Well, I have nothing against these people for standing up to fight for their country. They love their country as much as we do. They can fight the VietNamese Army all they want, but killing the innocent, helpless people whom had nothing to do with it, they are no difference than the terrorists. their existence means the Khmer has the enemy within itself. for us they are not our equal, still they have every rights to voice their opinions even that sound racist or whatever to us. I never take it too seriously, after all It is only an online discussions. Do not let them play our minds
Again, I do not hate the Khmer, but disagreement only with the Khmer extremists for their acts, their views and their ideologies
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
from human perspective alone, I would support the invasion of Cambodia in 1979 for these reasons : stop the genocide and save Khmer culture from being destroyed. Other than those, I also believe VietNam has the rights to defend hersefl by any means even to invade Cambodia just to overthrow the Khmer Rouge.
The Khmer Rouge was not the only enemy of Khmer but aslso the enemy of mankind as well.Don't you agree?. Just looking back, Can you tell me which nation had the guts to come in saving the Khmer. Think again,the shadow of Rwanda genocide was a shame, a subject which UN doen't want to discuss, Did they swear not to let another genocide happen after Holocaust?
Why do the Khmer still hate us after we saved them from nearly extinction? Is it 10 years of atrocities?. Is it the establishment of puppet goverment? Can we compare the Vietnamese atrocities in Cambodia to Japanese atrocities in Asia?.Last but not least, Is the U.S forming puppet goverment in Iraq (the war that the Khmer supported?) and they did so in Afghanistan.
As a VietNamese, I do not feel proud that We defeat a weaker nation, War is the last resort, but in this case I would support My country. I wish, VietNam could withdraw from Cambodia Sooner and allow the U.N to take over and Helping the Khmer to rebuid their country. Why would we stay there for 10 years where we are not even appreciated? Can we ever "VietNamized" the Khmer? Can We make them disappear from the face of the earth?. We may conquer them by force but I doubt that We ever win their hearts and minds. Perhaps, We are much better off today if we withdrew sooner even there was a chance of civil war. It is the Khmer affair ...Let's the Khmer or UN deal with it, as long as our Territorial sovereignty is not violated.
Now talking about barbaric acts of Khmer Rouge and Khmer extremists(not the whole population)have had committed crimes against the helpless VietNamese women, Children and innocent people are not strange things to me. These people are not even worth to discuss. The Khmer rough is still understandable,They just killed anyone including their own people The Khmer extremists are whole brunch of cowards, timid, small minded people that Cambodia has to be ashamed of. Their barbaric acts won't bring pride to the Khmer but shame.
Well, I have nothing against these people for standing up to fight for their country. They love their country as much as we do. They can fight the VietNamese Army all they want, but killing the innocent, helpless people whom had nothing to do with it, they are no difference than the terrorists. their existence means the Khmer has the enemy within itself. for us they are not our equal, still they have every rights to voice their opinions even that sound racist or whatever to us. I never take it too seriously, after all It is only an online discussions. Do not let them play our minds
Again, I do not hate the Khmer, but disagreement only with the Khmer extremists for their acts, their views and their ideologies
QUOTE (July_Rain @ Apr 11 2004, 02:46 AM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Apr 11 2004, 02:37 AM)
Yeah I agree that if you put yourself in their position it is most certain that you'll feel the same as what they're going through now, that's why I'm trying not to go too hard on them. They've been through alot recently, we shouldn't be kicking them while they're down.
Exactly, NQSH....We 're all love our country Vietnam so much, so do they. Especially the Cham and the Khmer Krom people, I heard some of them said that their old temple in South VN was destroyed for a public project. I understand how they feel. Me, too. If anyone comes to my house and/or church and tear it apart, I would guard it with all the weapons at my disposal. I wonder if Vietnamese have a "reservation" for the Chams and Khmers in Vietnam? Like Indian Reservation in the U.S., ya know?
QUOTE (TDscorpion @ Apr 11 2004, 02:48 AM)
Well, the resentment of the Khmer to the VietNamese rooted back several decades if not centuries is perfectly understandable. whether the treaties are signed or conquered by force,we took their land which cutting them off from the sea. Don't get me wrong,I'm always grateful for what our ancestors dit in order to expand the country. Anyway, It happened in the ancient time.
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
from human perspective alone, I would support the invasion of Cambodia in 1979 for these reasons : stop the genocide and save Khmer culture from being destroyed. Other than those, I also believe VietNam has the rights to defend hersefl by any means even to invade Cambodia just to overthrow the Khmer Rouge.
The Khmer Rouge was not the only enemy of Khmer but aslso the enemy of mankind as well.Don't you agree?. Just looking back, Can you tell me which nation had the guts to come in saving the Khmer. Think again,the shadow of Rwanda genocide was a shame, a subject which UN doen't want to discuss, Did they swear not to let another genocide happen after Holocaust?
Why do the Khmer still hate us after we saved them from nearly extinction? Is it 10 years of atrocities?. Is it the establishment of puppet goverment? Can we compare the Vietnamese atrocities in Cambodia to Japanese atrocities in Asia?.Last but not least, Is the U.S forming puppet goverment in Iraq (the war that the Khmer supported?) and they did so in Afghanistan.
As a VietNamese, I do not feel proud that We defeat a weaker nation, War is the last resort, but in this case I would support My country. I wish, VietNam could withdraw from Cambodia Sooner and allow the U.N to take over and Helping the Khmer to rebuid their country. Why would we stay there for 10 years where we are not even appreciated? Can we ever "VietNamized" the Khmer? Can We make them disappear from the face of the earth?. We may conquer them by force but I doubt that We ever win their hearts and minds. Perhaps, We are much better off today if we withdrew sooner even there was a chance of civil war. It is the Khmer affair ...Let's the Khmer or UN deal with it, as long as our Territorial sovereignty is not violated.
Now talking about barbaric acts of Khmer Rouge and Khmer extremists(not the whole population)have had committed crimes against the helpless VietNamese women, Children and innocent people are not strange things to me. These people are not even worth to discuss. The Khmer rough is still understandable,They just killed anyone including their own people The Khmer extremists are whole brunch of cowards, timid, small minded people that Cambodia has to be ashamed of. Their barbaric acts won't bring pride to the Khmer but shame.
Well, I have nothing against these people for standing up to fight for their country. They love their country as much as we do. They can fight the VietNamese Army all they want, but killing the innocent, helpless people whom had nothing to do with it, they are no difference than the terrorists. their existence means the Khmer has the enemy within itself. for us they are not our equal, still they have every rights to voice their opinions even that sound racist or whatever to us. I never take it too seriously, after all It is only an online discussions. Do not let them play our minds
Again, I do not hate the Khmer, but disagreement only with the Khmer extremists for their acts, their views and their ideologies
If We were Them, the Khmer, We may have felt the same feelings as the Khmer nowaday. So I never expect them to like us nor even care what they think about us.
from human perspective alone, I would support the invasion of Cambodia in 1979 for these reasons : stop the genocide and save Khmer culture from being destroyed. Other than those, I also believe VietNam has the rights to defend hersefl by any means even to invade Cambodia just to overthrow the Khmer Rouge.
The Khmer Rouge was not the only enemy of Khmer but aslso the enemy of mankind as well.Don't you agree?. Just looking back, Can you tell me which nation had the guts to come in saving the Khmer. Think again,the shadow of Rwanda genocide was a shame, a subject which UN doen't want to discuss, Did they swear not to let another genocide happen after Holocaust?
Why do the Khmer still hate us after we saved them from nearly extinction? Is it 10 years of atrocities?. Is it the establishment of puppet goverment? Can we compare the Vietnamese atrocities in Cambodia to Japanese atrocities in Asia?.Last but not least, Is the U.S forming puppet goverment in Iraq (the war that the Khmer supported?) and they did so in Afghanistan.
As a VietNamese, I do not feel proud that We defeat a weaker nation, War is the last resort, but in this case I would support My country. I wish, VietNam could withdraw from Cambodia Sooner and allow the U.N to take over and Helping the Khmer to rebuid their country. Why would we stay there for 10 years where we are not even appreciated? Can we ever "VietNamized" the Khmer? Can We make them disappear from the face of the earth?. We may conquer them by force but I doubt that We ever win their hearts and minds. Perhaps, We are much better off today if we withdrew sooner even there was a chance of civil war. It is the Khmer affair ...Let's the Khmer or UN deal with it, as long as our Territorial sovereignty is not violated.
Now talking about barbaric acts of Khmer Rouge and Khmer extremists(not the whole population)have had committed crimes against the helpless VietNamese women, Children and innocent people are not strange things to me. These people are not even worth to discuss. The Khmer rough is still understandable,They just killed anyone including their own people The Khmer extremists are whole brunch of cowards, timid, small minded people that Cambodia has to be ashamed of. Their barbaric acts won't bring pride to the Khmer but shame.
Well, I have nothing against these people for standing up to fight for their country. They love their country as much as we do. They can fight the VietNamese Army all they want, but killing the innocent, helpless people whom had nothing to do with it, they are no difference than the terrorists. their existence means the Khmer has the enemy within itself. for us they are not our equal, still they have every rights to voice their opinions even that sound racist or whatever to us. I never take it too seriously, after all It is only an online discussions. Do not let them play our minds
Again, I do not hate the Khmer, but disagreement only with the Khmer extremists for their acts, their views and their ideologies
Totally agree with ya Scorpion.
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 11 2004, 02:55 AM)
QUOTE (July_Rain @ Apr 11 2004, 02:46 AM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Apr 11 2004, 02:37 AM)
Yeah I agree that if you put yourself in their position it is most certain that you'll feel the same as what they're going through now, that's why I'm trying not to go too hard on them. They've been through alot recently, we shouldn't be kicking them while they're down.
Exactly, NQSH....We 're all love our country Vietnam so much, so do they. Especially the Cham and the Khmer Krom people, I heard some of them said that their old temple in South VN was destroyed for a public project. I understand how they feel. Me, too. If anyone comes to my house and/or church and tear it apart, I would guard it with all the weapons at my disposal. I wonder if Vietnamese have a "reservation" for the Chams and Khmers in Vietnam? Like Indian Reservation in the U.S., ya know?
I don't think we are that progressive in term of treating other minorities. This is the good old Vietnam we're talking about. Taking things away from them, yes, giving them, no.
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 11 2004, 02:55 AM)
Me, too. If anyone comes to my house and/or church and tear it apart, I would guard it with all the weapons at my disposal. I wonder if Vietnamese have a "reservation" for the Chams and Khmers in Vietnam? Like Indian Reservation in the U.S., ya know?
I dont think there are "reservation areas" officially, but the Chams in Central VN and the Khmers in South normally gathered in some certain areas, where they live together and try to maintain their tradition within their community.
im tired of this hate, in both forums, why do we all bring this piece of sh*t up for, its not going to get anybody no where.
I feel really bad for Cambodians, so let them say whatever they want, we took their land afterall. Imagine VN without the South. The VN war would not have happened 
+ it would be very boring. The land there is great for farming, great coast, sea, it's great.
On another thread, you guys talked about VN could of had southern china, I could care less. All there is there are mountains and fields, so boring. I like the coast that we have now.
+ it would be very boring. The land there is great for farming, great coast, sea, it's great.On another thread, you guys talked about VN could of had southern china, I could care less. All there is there are mountains and fields, so boring. I like the coast that we have now.
Peace.
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A year or so later the King died and according to Cambodian culture the Princess must be burned alive to die with the King.
A barbaric traditon.. So glad we were more civilized then them and saved our princess.... Its just like a fairytale eh? save the princess and get a piece of land hehehe
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 11 2004, 06:57 AM)
We didn't take their land, they gave it us. According to history, A Cambodian king gave us that land in exchange for marriage to a Princess.
A year or so later the King died and according to Cambodian culture the Princess must be burned alive to die with the King.
So Vietnam decided to save the princess and pretended to send a party of Vietnamese funeral grievers and went into Cambodia. The Cambodians thought they would only attend the funeral and leave, but instead they saved the princess and ran back to Vietnam, the Cambodians chased after them, but the Vietnamese were ready and had troops near the border and shot cannons and arrows at them.
This got the Cambodians soooooooooo angry.
So in the end the Vietnamese got the princess and the land. LOL
A year or so later the King died and according to Cambodian culture the Princess must be burned alive to die with the King.
So Vietnam decided to save the princess and pretended to send a party of Vietnamese funeral grievers and went into Cambodia. The Cambodians thought they would only attend the funeral and leave, but instead they saved the princess and ran back to Vietnam, the Cambodians chased after them, but the Vietnamese were ready and had troops near the border and shot cannons and arrows at them.
This got the Cambodians soooooooooo angry.
So in the end the Vietnamese got the princess and the land. LOL
Wow... do you have any factual back-up on this?
-Norm
QUOTE (khuanam @ Apr 11 2004, 05:36 AM)
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A year or so later the King died and according to Cambodian culture the Princess must be burned alive to die with the King.
A barbaric traditon.. So glad we were more civilized then them and saved our princess.... Its just like a fairytale eh? save the princess and get a piece of land hehehe
That wasn't the time of expansion into the deep South of Vietnam, that happened when we were dealing with the Chams. It was the Cham King that died and our princess Huyen Tran had to be burned alive (an Indian tradition) and our king and people just couldn't bear allowing our princess to go through that since it's barbaric.
I feel bad for the Khmers too, before coming to this forum, I had no idea about Khmer Krom and its situation since our community doesn't really talk about anything else beside our little civil war hehe, but despite the hatred they feel against us, I don't have anything against it and after trying to talk about it and seeing its futility, I stop because arguments sure will not quell the issue.
Yep it was a Cham king that gave us the land and this was over 600 years ago. The acquisition of Khmer Krom was very recent, like 250 years ago.
At the time, circa 1750, Khmer Krom was not very developed and there were still crocs, tigers and snakes everywhere with dense forests and tributaries of the Mekong Delta as a back drop. The Cambodians didn't develop the land. During this period also, Cambodia was weak and became the vassal state of BOTH Vietnam and Thailand.
Mac Thien Tich, a Chinese fleeing the Qing Dynasty in China found refuge with Chua Nguyen. Chua Nguyen allowed him and his family to stay in Vietnam. He developed the what is now Khmer Krom or Southern Vietnam. He cleared the fforests and introduced farming and cultivation to the land. He later tributed the land to Chua Nguyen and a gesture of gratitution for granting him asylum. Chua Nguyen accepted the land and made him the governor. His son later also became governor.
At the time, circa 1750, Khmer Krom was not very developed and there were still crocs, tigers and snakes everywhere with dense forests and tributaries of the Mekong Delta as a back drop. The Cambodians didn't develop the land. During this period also, Cambodia was weak and became the vassal state of BOTH Vietnam and Thailand.
Mac Thien Tich, a Chinese fleeing the Qing Dynasty in China found refuge with Chua Nguyen. Chua Nguyen allowed him and his family to stay in Vietnam. He developed the what is now Khmer Krom or Southern Vietnam. He cleared the fforests and introduced farming and cultivation to the land. He later tributed the land to Chua Nguyen and a gesture of gratitution for granting him asylum. Chua Nguyen accepted the land and made him the governor. His son later also became governor.
PEACE
Honestly Byron, I think we should stop the flame war with the Cambodians, it will do us no good. We've discussed the topics 100 times, any more arguing will take us nowhere so just HUSH it and ignore them.
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 11 2004, 05:23 PM)
So basically it was Vietnamese who made the Mekong Delta rich in growing rice and making Vietnam the 2nd largest rice exporter in the world today. And these Khmer Krom want to take our hard work for themselves.
They are always trying to use Vietnamese, first they are grateful to us to the Vietnamese getting rid of Pol Pot, and after Vietnam rebulids the country, they start thinking they are great and start to do racist attacks. They are always trying to use Vietnamese to get what they want and then try to get rid of them. But this time Vietnam probably won't give them the Mekong delta. It rightfully belongs to Vietnam.
They are always trying to use Vietnamese, first they are grateful to us to the Vietnamese getting rid of Pol Pot, and after Vietnam rebulids the country, they start thinking they are great and start to do racist attacks. They are always trying to use Vietnamese to get what they want and then try to get rid of them. But this time Vietnam probably won't give them the Mekong delta. It rightfully belongs to Vietnam.
Cut it out, don't you see that we are trying to create a better atmosphere on this forum? The Khmers have a right to be angry and I hope living condition for the Khmer Kroms will improve in the upcoming years. Just because some still hold a grudge doesn't mean we should retaliate, especially on this forum.
Stop the name-calling and the "they are this and that", you'd feel the same way if you were a Khmer Krom.
I always wonder if we had moved south earlier we could have been filthy rich from trades. Instead we stayed up north fighting the chinese, what a pity.
Our ancestors weren't cowards, running away from adversaries and giving away our lands.
I've notice that there's a lot of Anti-Vietnamese statements made in this forum by some Cambodians. So it's a good idea to ignore the racist Cambodians, rather than attacking them back.
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 14 2004, 10:18 PM)
Don't tell me he didn't get warned for that, did he? He should!
QUOTE (SuPaDuPaFlY @ Apr 14 2004, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 14 2004, 10:18 PM)
Don't tell me he didn't get warned for that, did he? He should!
Oh well, life is full of surprises. I am very suprised that he even came to Viet forum and started that topic. And yet, some of their kind claim that they are the one who is actually so called "innocent." But as a gesture of friendship, I will not accuse them anymore. I will show them the kindness of Viet culture upon those rebellious people.
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Well, at least a khmer out there knows what to say. Depite all negative comments (toward Viets) from a few khmer in this forum, I still believe most khmers are peace- loving people
DAMMIT Another Vietnamese who believes Khmers are peaceful people.
They are racists, and have been doing racist attacks against Vietnamese. I can show you lots of articles with them sliting Vietnamese children's throats and making up lies about how Vietnamese wanted to poison their water and that led to them killing Vietnamese.
Why can't Vietnamese realize Cambodians are our enemies and want to kill us, so we can send our troops and beat them up.
DAMMIT Another Vietnamese who believes Khmers are peaceful people.
They are racists, and have been doing racist attacks against Vietnamese. I can show you lots of articles with them sliting Vietnamese children's throats and making up lies about how Vietnamese wanted to poison their water and that led to them killing Vietnamese.
Why can't Vietnamese realize Cambodians are our enemies and want to kill us, so we can send our troops and beat them up.
Whats so wrong about TDscorpion having his own opinion on khmers? Huh Byron?If he think some khmers are peace loving people than so be it.
And don't think that all "khmers" aren't peace loving people. There are only some as TDscorpion was reffering to.
Could you Byron provided piece of Evidence that Jayjetha give the Vietnamese Kampuchea krom?
Here's an interesting chronology:
1773 Tay Son uprising
1774 attacks Nguyen port at Quy Nhon and wins
1774 Trinh army attacks Nguyen at Hue and chases them to Quy Nhon
1776 Trinh + Tay Son chase Nguyen to Gia Dinh (Sai Gon)
1778 Nguyen forces and bulwarks fall in Gia Dinh, only one prince Nguyen Anh escapes alive to Ha Tien, reorganizes and retakes GiaDinh (SaiGon)
1778-1783 Bloody fighting
1783 Nguyen Anh retreats with generals and flees to Phu Quoc
1784 Siamese assist with 50,000 troops and 300 ships
1784 Siamese want to control Mekong Delta and all of Gulf Coast
1785 Siamese routed by Tay Son forces
1786 Nguyen Anh and company stay in Thailand
1787 Tay Son defeat Trinh
1788 Tay Son fight Qing Army (200,000) stationed in Ha Noi
1789 Recognized nationally and internationally as king of Viet Nam
1790-1792 Prosperous rule. Quang Trung dies suddenly
French assist old Nguyen assassin?
1787 Nguyen Anh already signed away treaty rights to French in Bangkok
1790-1800 Tay Son and Nguyen Anh fight to control Quy Nhon port
1802 Nguyen Anh succeeds and founds the Nguyen dynasty at Hue
Nguyen Anh (Emperor Gia Long) was a traitor and the Siamese had the intention of controlling the Mekong delta and the Gulf Coast.
1773 Tay Son uprising
1774 attacks Nguyen port at Quy Nhon and wins
1774 Trinh army attacks Nguyen at Hue and chases them to Quy Nhon
1776 Trinh + Tay Son chase Nguyen to Gia Dinh (Sai Gon)
1778 Nguyen forces and bulwarks fall in Gia Dinh, only one prince Nguyen Anh escapes alive to Ha Tien, reorganizes and retakes GiaDinh (SaiGon)
1778-1783 Bloody fighting
1783 Nguyen Anh retreats with generals and flees to Phu Quoc
1784 Siamese assist with 50,000 troops and 300 ships
1784 Siamese want to control Mekong Delta and all of Gulf Coast
1785 Siamese routed by Tay Son forces
1786 Nguyen Anh and company stay in Thailand
1787 Tay Son defeat Trinh
1788 Tay Son fight Qing Army (200,000) stationed in Ha Noi
1789 Recognized nationally and internationally as king of Viet Nam
1790-1792 Prosperous rule. Quang Trung dies suddenly
French assist old Nguyen assassin?
1787 Nguyen Anh already signed away treaty rights to French in Bangkok
1790-1800 Tay Son and Nguyen Anh fight to control Quy Nhon port
1802 Nguyen Anh succeeds and founds the Nguyen dynasty at Hue
Nguyen Anh (Emperor Gia Long) was a traitor and the Siamese had the intention of controlling the Mekong delta and the Gulf Coast.
Yes just ignore some trolls.
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