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drunk_on_tea
"Nguyen Ai Quoc o Hong Kong"

This is a movie about Ho Chi Minh's life experience in Hong Kong. Apparently, it's very popular among the teenagers which the article found surprising and have been released all over Viet Nam. I think it's currently doing very well in Sai Gon. Just thought I'd share.





The movie is also being released in China under the title "Thoat Hiem o Hong Kong".

For full details on the article, here is the link.
http://www.vnn.vn/vanhoa/dienanh/2004/04/57583/
supernovasp
I hope this movie actually show Ho Chi Minh's indepth personality...

not like the flat personality of godly-beloved-eternal-president of vietnam
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Apr 5 2004, 08:23 PM)
I hope this movie actually show Ho Chi Minh's indepth personality...

not like the flat personality of godly-beloved-eternal-president of vietnam

Yeah me too, hopefully I'll be able to see it soon. Ho Chi Minh was very famous for his wits and from the things American journalists (the ones that actually sat down one on one with the guy) had mentioned about him, I found Ho to be a very witty character. I guess that's how he was able to win over support. Maybe that's why the movie is doing pretty well, because of the details.
Byron
Ho Chi Minh is far from a mass murderous dictator. Yes the NVA committed thousands of killings, but Ho Chi Minh actually took responsibility for them and said he was sorry and that it is hard to order such a huge amount of people so things like that are bound to happen.
tongbao_vince
If it comes to Canada I'll be sure to catch it. I just wonder what side this movie sees him from. There are lots of rumors and incidents that don't go well for Ho Chi Minh's reputation during the time he was in Hong Kong such as him stealing the identity of a Chinese and being arrested.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Would love to see this movie. It's been praised by the international film community and even won some award.
Kulong
QUOTE (tongbao_vince @ Apr 5 2004, 11:10 PM)
There are lots of rumors and incidents that don't go well for Ho Chi Minh's reputation during the time he was in Hong Kong such as him stealing the identity of a Chinese and being arrested.

http://www.vietquoc.com/0006vq.htm

QUOTE
In fact, Ho Chi Minh was a real name of an old Chinese man who was believed to be a  beggar.with unlocated relatives. When he died, he left nothing but his identification card.  Later, Nguyen Tat Thanh bought this document. Using identification  card of the dead was quite popular in Chinese outlaw society at that time.  When Ho was arrested by the Chinese Kuomintang, he used this name - Ho Chi Minh.
Byron
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 10:58 AM)
QUOTE (tongbao_vince @ Apr 5 2004, 11:10 PM)
There are lots of rumors and incidents that don't go well for Ho Chi Minh's reputation during the time he was in Hong Kong such as him stealing the identity of a Chinese and being arrested.

http://www.vietquoc.com/0006vq.htm

QUOTE
In fact, Ho Chi Minh was a real name of an old Chinese man who was believed to be a  beggar.with unlocated relatives. When he died, he left nothing but his identification card.  Later, Nguyen Tat Thanh bought this document. Using identification  card of the dead was quite popular in Chinese outlaw society at that time.  When Ho was arrested by the Chinese Kuomintang, he used this name - Ho Chi Minh.

How is that a rumour? That's already a well known fact.

He disguised himself as a Chinese once because during his time, Vietnamese weren't allowed to leave the country which was a law by the French colonials, so he took a fake Chinese ID and used to get out of the country.

In China is started riots about communism and he was arrested by the Guomindang or whatever you spell it. He was placed in prison for years and his hair started to turn gray and fall out because the experience was too much for him.

In 1939 he met Mao Zedong and the comintern sent Ho to advise Mao's communists and Chiang's nationalists in their cooperative fight against the Japanese. Mao sent Ho to southern China to train Chiang's soldiers.

Ho Chi Minh had many disguises to avoid getting caught, he even once disguised himself as a shaman with a ritual book and everything. Many times he was reported dead but to appear later confirming he was still alive.
Kulong
QUOTE (Byron)
How is that a rumour?  That's already a well known fact.


I didn't say it was a rumor. Heck, I provided evidence to support that it was a fact. I don't see why you quoted me icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Byron)
In 1939 he met Mao Zedong and the comintern sent Ho to advise Mao's communists and Chiang's nationalists in their cooperative fight against the Japanese.  Mao sent Ho to southern China to train Chiang's soldiers.


"Mao sent Ho to southern China to train Chiang's soldiers"?

When the CCP and the KMT were working together to fight the Japanese, they did not have authority over each other's military forces. It was more like an alliance rather than a true unity. I don't think Chiang would've even allowed Mao to make any decisions unilaterally about KMT troops, nor would Mao do that to risk breaking the alliance.
herosword
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 5 2004, 10:48 PM)
Ho Chi Minh is far from a mass murderous dictator.  Yes the NVA committed thousands of killings, but Ho Chi Minh actually took responsibility for them and said he was sorry and that it is hard to order such a huge amount of people so things like that are bound to happen.

Ho said he is sorry...wow...he's so benevolent...hahaha. It's humorous to imagine Ho saying that I sorry for murdering hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese but because I said I'm sorry it makes it alright. The funny thing is, he isn't really sorry. If he felt any grieve at all for committing murders he would show it by action. THe actions he showed were clearly one of those of an unrepentant mass murder.
Byron
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 11:29 AM)
QUOTE (Byron)
How is that a rumour?  That's already a well known fact.


I didn't say it was a rumor. Heck, I provided evidence to support that it was a fact. I don't see why you quoted me icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Byron)
In 1939 he met Mao Zedong and the comintern sent Ho to advise Mao's communists and Chiang's nationalists in their cooperative fight against the Japanese.  Mao sent Ho to southern China to train Chiang's soldiers.


"Mao sent Ho to southern China to train Chiang's soldiers"?

When the CCP and the KMT were working together to fight the Japanese, they did not have authority over each other's military forces. It was more like an alliance rather than a true unity. I don't think Chiang would've even allowed Mao to make any decisions unilaterally about KMT troops, nor would Mao do that to risk breaking the alliance.

I quoted that article about Mao sending Ho to train Chiang's troops from the book: World Leaders Past & Present Ho Chi Minh by Arthur M. Schlesinger. JR those were the exact words I used from the book.

Herosword:

It wasn't HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS he apoligized for the incident with the few thousand wealthy vietnamese who were slaughtered without his permission.

At least he's better than that Diem guy who doesn't even admit the mistakes he made.
Kulong
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 6 2004, 10:32 AM)
I quoted that article about Mao sending Ho to train Chiang's troops from the book: World Leaders Past & Present Ho Chi Minh by Arthur M. Schlesinger. JR those were the exact words I used from the book.

I suppose you believe an American who wrote a book about Ho Chi Minh can't be wrong? sure.gif
Byron
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 11:39 AM)
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 6 2004, 10:32 AM)
I quoted that article about Mao sending Ho to train Chiang's troops from the book:  World Leaders Past & Present Ho Chi Minh by Arthur M. Schlesinger. JR those were the exact words I used from the book.

I suppose you believe an American who wrote a book about Ho Chi Minh can't be wrong? sure.gif

No I didn't say that, but I'm just listing out my source unless anyone thinks I made that up myself.
Kulong
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 6 2004, 10:43 AM)
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 11:39 AM)
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 6 2004, 10:32 AM)
I quoted that article about Mao sending Ho to train Chiang's troops from the book:  World Leaders Past & Present Ho Chi Minh by Arthur M. Schlesinger. JR those were the exact words I used from the book.

I suppose you believe an American who wrote a book about Ho Chi Minh can't be wrong? sure.gif

No I didn't say that, but I'm just listing out my source unless anyone thinks I made that up myself.

OK then beerchug.gif
DAI_VIET
So is this movie going to be in the U.S. sometime soon?
Kulong
http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/hochimihn/thesis.htm

QUOTE
This time he changed it from Ba, a servants name, to Nguyen Ai Quoc (Nguyen, it is a common surname, Ai means affection, and Quoc means country).


Does "ai" mean love in Vietnamese too? I thought love in Vietnamese was nhu/nho?
supernovasp
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 05:00 PM)
http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/hochimihn/thesis.htm

QUOTE
This time he changed it from Ba, a servants name, to Nguyen Ai Quoc (Nguyen, it is a common surname, Ai means affection, and Quoc means country).


Does "ai" mean love in Vietnamese too? I thought love in Vietnamese was nhu/nho?

ai means love
yeu (pronounced ieu) is a vietnamized sino-viet word of "ai" that is used more often.
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 05:00 PM)
Does "ai" mean love in Vietnamese too? I thought love in Vietnamese was nhu/nho?

"Ái" is Han-Viet for "love."

Plain Vietnamese is "yêu" or "thương."
supernovasp
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 07:01 PM)
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 05:00 PM)
Does "ai" mean love in Vietnamese too?  I thought love in Vietnamese was nhu/nho?

"Ái" is Han-Viet for "love."

Plain Vietnamese is "yêu" or "thương."

Thuong is pure-viet i think

but yeu is definitely vietnamized sino-viet.
ngo.ngochy
yeu is not thuong right?.. i never said i "yeu" mom, but i said i thuong her... is yeu strictly talking between a girl and a guy or is it just me??
jenny2004
My fiance and I say Anh yeu em and Em yeu Anh I'll ask him if he'de use that on his mother lol.
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:02 PM)
yeu is not thuong right?.. i never said i "yeu" mom, but i said i thuong her... is yeu strictly talking between a girl and a guy or is it just me??

You're right! I thuong you! embarassedlaugh.gif
ngo.ngochy
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:41 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:02 PM)
yeu is not thuong right?.. i never said i "yeu" mom, but i said i thuong her... is yeu strictly talking between a girl and a guy or is it just me??

You're right! I thuong you! embarassedlaugh.gif

yeah, i love u 2 lil sis biggrin.gif
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:41 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:02 PM)
yeu is not thuong right?.. i never said i "yeu" mom, but i said i thuong her... is yeu strictly talking between a girl and a guy or is it just me??

You're right! I thuong you! embarassedlaugh.gif

yeah, i love u 2 lil sis biggrin.gif

Arrrhh madgo.gif

Thank you brother. embarassedlaugh.gif
tongbao_vince
QUOTE (Byron @ Apr 6 2004, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 10:58 AM)
QUOTE (tongbao_vince @ Apr 5 2004, 11:10 PM)
There are lots of rumors and incidents that don't go well for Ho Chi Minh's reputation during the time he was in Hong Kong such as him stealing the identity of a Chinese and being arrested.

http://www.vietquoc.com/0006vq.htm

QUOTE
In fact, Ho Chi Minh was a real name of an old Chinese man who was believed to be a  beggar.with unlocated relatives. When he died, he left nothing but his identification card.  Later, Nguyen Tat Thanh bought this document. Using identification  card of the dead was quite popular in Chinese outlaw society at that time.  When Ho was arrested by the Chinese Kuomintang, he used this name - Ho Chi Minh.

How is that a rumour? That's already a well known fact.

He disguised himself as a Chinese once because during his time, Vietnamese weren't allowed to leave the country which was a law by the French colonials, so he took a fake Chinese ID and used to get out of the country.

In China is started riots about communism and he was arrested by the Guomindang or whatever you spell it. He was placed in prison for years and his hair started to turn gray and fall out because the experience was too much for him.

In 1939 he met Mao Zedong and the comintern sent Ho to advise Mao's communists and Chiang's nationalists in their cooperative fight against the Japanese. Mao sent Ho to southern China to train Chiang's soldiers.

Ho Chi Minh had many disguises to avoid getting caught, he even once disguised himself as a shaman with a ritual book and everything. Many times he was reported dead but to appear later confirming he was still alive.

Well I'm not so sure about Ho's life. Just to be on the safe side I called it a rumor less some ACVS say I imply that Ho Chi Minh was a fraud and depended on China or anything of the sort.
Kulong
QUOTE (tongbao_vince @ Apr 6 2004, 08:06 PM)
Well I'm not so sure about Ho's life. Just to be on the safe side I called it a rumor less some ACVS say I imply that Ho Chi Minh was a fraud and depended on China or anything of the sort.

You get attacked either way icon_confused.gif
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (Kulong @ Apr 6 2004, 09:28 PM)
QUOTE (tongbao_vince @ Apr 6 2004, 08:06 PM)
Well I'm not so sure about Ho's life. Just to be on the safe side I called it a rumor less some ACVS say I imply that Ho Chi Minh was a fraud and depended on China or anything of the sort.

You get attacked either way icon_confused.gif

Huh? Wah?
ngo.ngochy
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:41 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:02 PM)
yeu is not thuong right?.. i never said i "yeu" mom, but i said i thuong her... is yeu strictly talking between a girl and a guy or is it just me??

You're right! I thuong you! embarassedlaugh.gif

yeah, i love u 2 lil sis biggrin.gif

Arrrhh madgo.gif

Thank you brother. embarassedlaugh.gif

hey, ur name is "be' Tu'".. while mine is "be' Hy".. how am i ur brother ? confused.gif
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 09:34 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:41 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:02 PM)
yeu is not thuong right?.. i never said i "yeu" mom, but i said i thuong her... is yeu strictly talking between a girl and a guy or is it just me??

You're right! I thuong you! embarassedlaugh.gif

yeah, i love u 2 lil sis biggrin.gif

Arrrhh madgo.gif

Thank you brother. embarassedlaugh.gif

hey, ur name is "be' Tu'".. while mine is "be' Hy".. how am i ur brother ? confused.gif

embarassedlaugh.gif That's because you made that up. "Bé" can also be a guy, ya know. Am I right? Bé Hy có biết bé Trang ở đâu không? Mấy cu kia đi đâu rôi? embarassedlaugh.gif
ngo.ngochy
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 09:39 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 09:34 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 08:41 PM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Apr 6 2004, 08:02 PM)
yeu is not thuong right?.. i never said i "yeu" mom, but i said i thuong her... is yeu strictly talking between a girl and a guy or is it just me??

You're right! I thuong you! embarassedlaugh.gif

yeah, i love u 2 lil sis biggrin.gif

Arrrhh madgo.gif

Thank you brother. embarassedlaugh.gif

hey, ur name is "be' Tu'".. while mine is "be' Hy".. how am i ur brother ? confused.gif

embarassedlaugh.gif That's because you made that up. "Bé" can also be a guy, ya know. Am I right? Bé Hy có biết bé Trang ở đâu không? Mấy cu kia đi đâu rôi? embarassedlaugh.gif

eek.gif but u the one who need to brush up on ur Vietnamese ... icon_rolleyes.gif and 2 answer u, "hong biet"... embarassedlaugh.gif
DAI_VIET
It's "khong," not "hong." Learn it right, the Da Nang way!
ngo.ngochy
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 6 2004, 09:47 PM)
It's "khong," not "hong." Learn it right, the Da Nang way!

hong muon tongue.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
herosword
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Apr 5 2004, 10:30 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Apr 5 2004, 08:23 PM)
I hope this movie actually show Ho Chi Minh's indepth personality...

not like the flat personality of godly-beloved-eternal-president of vietnam

Yeah me too, hopefully I'll be able to see it soon. Ho Chi Minh was very famous for his wits and from the things American journalists (the ones that actually sat down one on one with the guy) had mentioned about him, I found Ho to be a very witty character. I guess that's how he was able to win over support. Maybe that's why the movie is doing pretty well, because of the details.

I'm reading a book on Hitler and planning to read Mein Kamf sometimes so I guess I understand the attraction to mass murder and dictators. They're evil men but one can't simply ignore their impact on history. What is the origin of this movie and who directed it? If it is made in Vietnam then it is anything but unbias. No doubt it will present a distorted view of his life. sure.gif Wasn't there a movie about Hitler that brought recent mass outcry because it was sympathetic to to him? If this movie wants any artistic merit then hopefully it'll give the full picture. I doubt it though. icon_sad.gif
1tru-g
Ho Chi Minh was one smartest and greatest vietnamese ever born well thats what i think
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