Sanskrit is the religious script both for the Hindu and Buddhist. And Jawi is basically Arabic.
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Sanskrit is the religious script both for the Hindu and Buddhist. And Jawi is basically Arabic.
Sanskrit is the religious script both for the Hindu and Buddhist. And Jawi is basically Arabic.
Seem like Jawi=Jawa....
Did Malaysian copy Jawi writing skill from Jawa, Hanacaraka..
I thinks Jawi was Arab word for means mixture. So they called all nusantara people by the name of Bani Jawi (mixture races). Even in my state when a boy was circumcised between ages of twelves and fourteen, their act was known as "masuk Jawi" which also means entering Malay-hood. This was symbolically mark the transition from chilhood to adulthood. During the ceremony, the young man wore traditional dress including the keris and treated like young prince..
And about Sanskrit, I always think that this religous script only use by Buddhist monks not by general people...
Agreed????
Did Malaysian copy Jawi writing skill from Jawa, Hanacaraka..
I thinks Jawi was Arab word for means mixture. So they called all nusantara people by the name of Bani Jawi (mixture races). Even in my state when a boy was circumcised between ages of twelves and fourteen, their act was known as "masuk Jawi" which also means entering Malay-hood. This was symbolically mark the transition from chilhood to adulthood. During the ceremony, the young man wore traditional dress including the keris and treated like young prince..
And about Sanskrit, I always think that this religous script only use by Buddhist monks not by general people...
Agreed????
Well, in Indonesia u would found Sanskrit in religious sites. But for other purposes, Hanacaraka and Jawi is used instead.
Srivijayan traditional clothing
A couple on a bed wearing the traditional clothes in Srivijaya-style
A couple on a bed wearing the traditional clothes in Srivijaya-style
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If I could just add in my 2 cents' worth. No flames here, just neutral, friendly, enlightening discussion.
Dapunta Hyang Sri (His Glorious Majesty) king Jayanasa, legendary founder of Sri Vijaya, first married princess Shoba Kancana, daughter of king Linggavarman of western Java's Tarumanagara kingdom, possibly with some future political machinations in mind. As a matter of interest, a few years later he invaded n conquered Tarumanagara, among his several early conquests in the founding stages of Sri Vijaya.
Could king Jayanasa possibly also have been one of the descendants of the defeated Malay rulers of ancient Funan n their royal entourage who escaped when Funan was defeated, conquered n absorbed by Chenla. Like what many people believe about the Sailendra kingdom n its ancestry from Funan. Which would explain the very close n brotherly relationship between Sri Vijaya n Sailendra. Well, something worth thinking about, isn't it?
The kings of the small Malay kingdoms (n their descendants today) in the ancient Langkasuka Federation, i.e. Pattani, Kelantan, Terengganu, n maybe Pahang n Kedah too, still claim some Funanese blood in their ancestry. A reasonable claim, since Langkasuka would have been the nearest, safest n most convenient stop-over for an escaping royal fleet fleeing from defeated Funan.
As for prince Balaputra, since he had a Sailendran father, he definitely had Funanese royal blood through that too.
Yep, the history of the ancient kingdoms of South East Asia is not that much different from that of the ancient kingdoms of Europe. A lot of interlinkages here, there n everywhere. From Funan to Haribhunjaya, Dvaravati, Chenla, Champa, Ayutthaya, Langkasuka, Tarumanagara, Sri Vijaya, Sailendra etc. etc. etc.
C ya later, friends.
Dapunta Hyang Sri (His Glorious Majesty) king Jayanasa, legendary founder of Sri Vijaya, first married princess Shoba Kancana, daughter of king Linggavarman of western Java's Tarumanagara kingdom, possibly with some future political machinations in mind. As a matter of interest, a few years later he invaded n conquered Tarumanagara, among his several early conquests in the founding stages of Sri Vijaya.
Could king Jayanasa possibly also have been one of the descendants of the defeated Malay rulers of ancient Funan n their royal entourage who escaped when Funan was defeated, conquered n absorbed by Chenla. Like what many people believe about the Sailendra kingdom n its ancestry from Funan. Which would explain the very close n brotherly relationship between Sri Vijaya n Sailendra. Well, something worth thinking about, isn't it?
The kings of the small Malay kingdoms (n their descendants today) in the ancient Langkasuka Federation, i.e. Pattani, Kelantan, Terengganu, n maybe Pahang n Kedah too, still claim some Funanese blood in their ancestry. A reasonable claim, since Langkasuka would have been the nearest, safest n most convenient stop-over for an escaping royal fleet fleeing from defeated Funan.
As for prince Balaputra, since he had a Sailendran father, he definitely had Funanese royal blood through that too.
Yep, the history of the ancient kingdoms of South East Asia is not that much different from that of the ancient kingdoms of Europe. A lot of interlinkages here, there n everywhere. From Funan to Haribhunjaya, Dvaravati, Chenla, Champa, Ayutthaya, Langkasuka, Tarumanagara, Sri Vijaya, Sailendra etc. etc. etc.
C ya later, friends.
From what I read, Sailendra was originated from Srivijaya. In fact Dapunta Sailendra is rumours as a same person as Dapunta Jayanasa. The homeland of Sailendra was suppose to be at Palembang but was driven out by Srivijaya. Srivijaya king always think themselves as "King of the mountain" should it be related to Funan ?? But I didn't think that since Funan was clearly Khmer kingdom.
I think it's an interesting theory. But at this point, we can only speculate as there aren't enough records to prove this. I am especially interested in Betong's word that Syailendra's homeland was in Palembang. Can you tell me more, Betong? I think it's peculiar that even though they lived in Java, they used Ancient Malay language in their inscription, so I think it's possible that they came from Sumatra....
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I think it's an interesting theory. But at this point, we can only speculate as there aren't enough records to prove this. I am especially interested in Betong's word that Syailendra's homeland was in Palembang. Can you tell me more, Betong? I think it's peculiar that even though they lived in Java, they used Ancient Malay language in their inscription, so I think it's possible that they came from Sumatra....
It's not theory but fact.
I think i read that fact from some book. But somehow I didn't remember the title of that book. Syailendra using ancient Malay language because they already been part of Srivijaya that time. Like I said before Dapunta Srivijaya is a same person as Dapunta Sailendra (according to that book). That why Balaputra have a right to claim a throne in Srivijaya when Srivijaya didn't have royal lineage. Same thing always happen in history of Malay Kingdom because all of these was based on "kedatuan" Srivijaya
. Remember Srivijaya was loose federation, whoever has more powerful force can claim the throne.
I am not familiar with the system of a Malay kingdom of that time, but I do know that our history book also taught us about "Kedatuan Sriwijaya". It'd be interesting if I could read that book of yours, Batang!
Ok for starter go find books called "Origin of Sailendra"
Is that the actual title? What's the publisher name? Where can one get that book?
One simple question: what did Srivijayan people favourite food....?
Rice with fish...
Rice with fish...
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Is that the actual title? What's the publisher name? Where can one get that book?
I think that might be actual title. I don't have that book because I read it from library.
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One simple question: what did Srivijayan people favourite food....?
Rice with fish...
Rice with fish...
Rice with fish was common with Sunda people.
Yeah..., I think since Srivijaya is maritime empire, they should have eaten seafood alot....
Oh yeah I would like to share with you article from historical book about the twilight of Srivijaya. Around 10th to 13th century
Oh yeah I would like to share with you article from historical book about the twilight of Srivijaya. Around 10th to 13th century
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Srivijaya and Kediri
In 1068, Virarajendra, the Chola king of Coromandel or Tamil Nadu, conquered Kedah from Srivijaya. Virarajendra’s records from his seventh year mention that he conquered Kadaram from Srivijaya on behalf of a king who had come to ask for help and protection and handed it over to him. The possible date for this occurrence is 1068 C.E. There is not any more information to be gleaned from this inscription. As yet we have no knowledge of the Srivijaya king who asked for help and the details of this naval campaign. The Cholas continued a series of raids and conquests throughout what is now Indonesia and Malaysia for the next 20 years. Although the Chola invasion was ultimately unsuccessful, it gravely weakened the Srivijayan hegemony and enabled the formation of regional kingdoms, like Kediri, based on agriculture rather than trade. And later Kediri even manage to control spice trade routes to eastern spice islands (Maluku).
According to a Chinese source in the book of Chu-fan-chi written around 1200, Chou-Ju-Kua describe that in Southeast Asia archipelago there was two most powerful and richest kingdoms; Srivijaya and Java (Kediri). In Java he founds that the people adhere two kinds of religions; buddhism and the religions of brahmins (hinduism). The people of Java are brave and short tempered, dare to put a fight. Their favourite pastimes was cockfighting and pigfighting. The curency was made from the mixture of copper, silver, and tin.
The book of Chu-fan-chi mentioned that Java was ruled by a maharaja, that rules several colonies: Pai-hua-yuan (Pacitan), Ma-tung (Medang), Ta-pen (Tumapel), Hi-ning (Dieng), Jung-ya-lu (Hujung Galuh), Tung-ki (Jenggi, west Papua), Ta-kang (Sumba), Huang-ma-chu (Southwest Papua), Ma-li (Bali), Kulun (Gurun, identified as Gorong or Sorong in Papua or an island in Nusa Tenggara), Tan-jung-wu-lo (Tanjungpura in Borneo), Ti-wu (Timor), Pingya-i (Banggai in Sulawesi), and Wu-nu-ku (Maluku). [2].
About Srivijaya, Chou-Ju-Kua reported that Kien-pi (Kampe, in northern sumatra) with armed forced rebellion has liberated themself from Srivijaya, thus has coronated their own king. The same fate goes to some Srivijaya's colonies at malay peninsula that liberated themself from Srivijaya domination. However Srivijaya still the mightiest and wealthiest state in western part of archipelago. Srivijaya's colony are: Pong-fong (Pahang), Tong-ya-nong (Trengganu), Ling-ya-ssi-kia (Lengkasuka), Kilan-tan (Kelantan), Fo-lo-an (?), Ji-lo-t'ing (Jelutong), Ts'ien-mai (?), Pa-t'a (Batak), Tan-ma-ling (Tambralingga, Ligor), Kia-lo-hi (Grahi, northen part of malay peninsula), Pa-lin-fong (Palembang), Sin-t'o (Sunda), Lan-wu-li (Lamuri at Aceh), Si-lan (Sailan?). According to this source in early 13th century Srivijaya still ruled Sumatra, Malay peninsula, and western Java (Sunda). About Sunda the book describe it further that the port of Sunda (Sunda Kalapa) is really good and strategic, pepper from Sunda is among the best quality. People work on agriculture and their house are build on wooden piles (rumah panggung). However the country was invested by robbers and thieves. In sum, this Chinese source from early 13th century suggested that the Indonesian archipelago was ruled by two great kingdom, western part was under Srivijaya's rule, while eastern part was under Kediri domination.
In 1068, Virarajendra, the Chola king of Coromandel or Tamil Nadu, conquered Kedah from Srivijaya. Virarajendra’s records from his seventh year mention that he conquered Kadaram from Srivijaya on behalf of a king who had come to ask for help and protection and handed it over to him. The possible date for this occurrence is 1068 C.E. There is not any more information to be gleaned from this inscription. As yet we have no knowledge of the Srivijaya king who asked for help and the details of this naval campaign. The Cholas continued a series of raids and conquests throughout what is now Indonesia and Malaysia for the next 20 years. Although the Chola invasion was ultimately unsuccessful, it gravely weakened the Srivijayan hegemony and enabled the formation of regional kingdoms, like Kediri, based on agriculture rather than trade. And later Kediri even manage to control spice trade routes to eastern spice islands (Maluku).
According to a Chinese source in the book of Chu-fan-chi written around 1200, Chou-Ju-Kua describe that in Southeast Asia archipelago there was two most powerful and richest kingdoms; Srivijaya and Java (Kediri). In Java he founds that the people adhere two kinds of religions; buddhism and the religions of brahmins (hinduism). The people of Java are brave and short tempered, dare to put a fight. Their favourite pastimes was cockfighting and pigfighting. The curency was made from the mixture of copper, silver, and tin.
The book of Chu-fan-chi mentioned that Java was ruled by a maharaja, that rules several colonies: Pai-hua-yuan (Pacitan), Ma-tung (Medang), Ta-pen (Tumapel), Hi-ning (Dieng), Jung-ya-lu (Hujung Galuh), Tung-ki (Jenggi, west Papua), Ta-kang (Sumba), Huang-ma-chu (Southwest Papua), Ma-li (Bali), Kulun (Gurun, identified as Gorong or Sorong in Papua or an island in Nusa Tenggara), Tan-jung-wu-lo (Tanjungpura in Borneo), Ti-wu (Timor), Pingya-i (Banggai in Sulawesi), and Wu-nu-ku (Maluku). [2].
About Srivijaya, Chou-Ju-Kua reported that Kien-pi (Kampe, in northern sumatra) with armed forced rebellion has liberated themself from Srivijaya, thus has coronated their own king. The same fate goes to some Srivijaya's colonies at malay peninsula that liberated themself from Srivijaya domination. However Srivijaya still the mightiest and wealthiest state in western part of archipelago. Srivijaya's colony are: Pong-fong (Pahang), Tong-ya-nong (Trengganu), Ling-ya-ssi-kia (Lengkasuka), Kilan-tan (Kelantan), Fo-lo-an (?), Ji-lo-t'ing (Jelutong), Ts'ien-mai (?), Pa-t'a (Batak), Tan-ma-ling (Tambralingga, Ligor), Kia-lo-hi (Grahi, northen part of malay peninsula), Pa-lin-fong (Palembang), Sin-t'o (Sunda), Lan-wu-li (Lamuri at Aceh), Si-lan (Sailan?). According to this source in early 13th century Srivijaya still ruled Sumatra, Malay peninsula, and western Java (Sunda). About Sunda the book describe it further that the port of Sunda (Sunda Kalapa) is really good and strategic, pepper from Sunda is among the best quality. People work on agriculture and their house are build on wooden piles (rumah panggung). However the country was invested by robbers and thieves. In sum, this Chinese source from early 13th century suggested that the Indonesian archipelago was ruled by two great kingdom, western part was under Srivijaya's rule, while eastern part was under Kediri domination.
Thankd for the info, Majjy. I've just read a Malaysian blog, questioning why the Malaysian government put more stress on the glory of Malaccan Sulatanae rather than Srivijaya Empire when it comes to the pride of the Malays? From his writing I could conclude that the Malaysian government would felt very threatened as they would not be able to play its "Malay Supremacy" when in reality the golden time of the Malay people was not even in the Malaya peninsula (modern day Malaysia). I wonder to which extent his prediction is true?
Which blog you mean Bhakso ? I wanna read too. I never believed race supremacy thingy but I'm quite happy to be born as I'am today.
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The Cholas continued a series of raids and conquests throughout what is now Indonesia and Malaysia for the next 20 years. Although the Chola invasion was ultimately unsuccessful, it gravely weakened the Srivijayan hegemony and enabled the formation of regional kingdoms, like Kediri, based on agriculture rather than trade. And later Kediri even manage to control spice trade routes to eastern spice islands (Maluku).
The Cholas. I'm quite convinced that after Chola invasion in Srivijaya territory, most of their soldier ending up staying in that defeated territory of Srivijaya or continue their journey to other place like Java. In Malay Annals (Sejarah Melayu) there was a story about King name Raja Suran who was ancestor of Malacca Sultanate. Some historian point out that Raja Suran actually as Rajendra Chola, king of Chola Dynasty.
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