http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Van-hoa/2004/04/3B9D14A0/

I just realized that www.yeuamnhac.com forum is very powerful. They're the one who first recognized the copying, and the thread became conversial untill the point that it influences the Vietnamese news.

Can't read that site but that's great!

Everytime I go eat at a Vietnamese restaurant I'd always hear old Chinese songs sung in Vietnamese

There are so much that my ex-gf told me there's a whole category of Vietnamese music called "Chinese Melodies"

oh in the last part was the original letter from the japanese artist:
Dear Sir.

My name is Kazu Matsui and I am the producer and the husband of Keiko Matsui, who is Jazz musician-composer.
Recently I have received several letters from Vietnamese music lovers and journalists regarding Keiko's composition "Frontier," which is recorded in 1991 and released in the album Cherry Blossom in 1992. We were suggested that the tune called "Tinh thoi xot xa" was copied from "Frontier." When we listen to the "Tinh thoi xot xa," we were shocked. What I can say is that this case is very clear. Since the two versions are exactly the same tune, not just some sections are similar, nor some ideas are copied, but whole tune is copied.

<< He (Bao Chan) said in interview, he doesn't "dare" to think Keiko has stolen his song, but he confirmed that his song has not been affected by the Japanese. >>

However, the two version of the tunes are the exactly the same tune. If he composed this tune, he should be insisting that Keiko has stolen the tune. Amazing thing is that he copied not only the melody, but also the introduction arrangement ideas which is arranged by Keiko.
We can say that he copied the tune. It is obvious. When he said that his song has not been affected by the Japanese, there can be the reason. The tune was recorded as an English lyric vocal tune as Super Mario Brothers special album before we used it for Keiko's album. Both albums are produced by me and written and arranged by Keiko. He could copied the tune from this vocal version, if
he does not recall instrumental version of the tune.
I do not want to use the word "stolen," but in this case, he copied whole tune with, and also, saying that he composed it. That is very wrong. If this happened in US, our management company and publishers will take this case to the court. And we can win easily.
But we are not sure what we should do. Since it has happened in Vietnam and we do not know people there.
Please ask Vietnamese people for us, what we should do.
Please tell them to make the composer, Bao Chan, to tell the truth and make us some suggestions.

Please tell the Vietnamese people, to listen to Keiko's music and feel the sincerity of her mind. If they know Keiko, they understand that she is not the kind of person who steal things. Keiko has released 16 albums in Japan, US and Europe. And all the tunes are composed by her. Her talent is in composition.
She does not have to copy anything and I have produced all the albums. All the tunes were born in our house in Tokyo or US.

Bao Chan knows, we know, and Buddha knows the facts.
We would like to come to Vietnam someday and do the concerts. We want to be friends with them. And we want them to know the real composer of the tune.

Thank you very much.

We hope to see you soon, in your country.

Good Vietnamese songs are duplicatin from American oldies and Chinese. Everytime I went for Pho in Vietnamese restarant. It is true like kulong said. All their songs were from old and new chinese and all of the american oldies.

not necessarily, you could probably hear cai luong and other viet songs that sound chinese...

Recently there have been a flood of Vietnamese songs copied from Japanese and Korean tunes as well.

I have heard some original Vietnamese songs before, and I liked some of them. I don't see why so many Vietnamese artists must copy others.

This one Vietnamese girl that I really liked... wish I remember her name, my ex-gf told me her style was "unusual" for Vietnamese singers and she only has two words for her name (as opposed to the traditional three worded name).

I definitely think that Bao Chan stole the melody from Keiko Matsui. I have the Japanese version (Frontier) of "Tinh Thoi Xot Xa", even though the beginning is slightly different, the rest is exactly the same.

Vietnam does have a domestic song-writing industry. Its just that it is not as well developed. Supernovasp, you should listen to new artists like Luu Gia Bao, Trieu Hoang, Dan Truong, Thai Tai, most of their songs are Vietnamese composed and sounds cool as hell. We're definitely catching up... fast.

but the thing is copying chinese music is still in mainstream .

http://yeuamnhac.com/music/showthread.php?t=4560
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Anyway, if you go there, it shows what vietnamese people think about vietnamese music industry.

I do not like kai leung. I like the old song they remade it after chinese.

I'm officialy confused

My ex-gf was a big fan of c-pop (TW & HK). She would used to joke with me and say that she will fully understand all the new c-pop songs once the "Vietnamese version" has been released

It was kind of freaky that a year later, I heard the "Vietnamese version" of one of A-Mei (Zhang Huimei)'s song (Bad Boy) though

I agree, it is still the mainstream. Just have a look at the albums. I've only found one pop album that didn't contain a single foreign song and it was by Phan Dinh Tung. He's a great dude.

A lot of vietnamese teens like cantonese pop (no mandarin though)

I wouldn't know about whether Vietnamese teens prefer to hear Mandarin or Cantonese pop in their original language (and frankly I don't care ), but there sure are as many songs copied from TW (Mandarin) as HK (Cantonese).

supernovasp, man I keep thinking of you as a girl. LOL

Anyway, have you listened to the Japanese version of "Tinh thoi xot xa" by Keiko? It's sweet.

As if Chinese never copy'd off of Japanese, Korean, or American songs
...But the thing is, Vietnamese do it more offten, which i don't agree with of course.

yea in yeuamnhac.com it gave tinh thoi xot xa and the frontier song to compare

They have. Heck, even Japanese and Korean copy songs from other languages too. Also there are some Americans who copy songs from other languages as well. I think pretty much everyone does it to some degree.

But I thought this thread was about "Copying Music in Vietnam"

well, that's a good thing they're doing something about it.. i dun like to listen to songs copied from others.. i dun buy them.. for the exception of some songs on the CD

i think American copied them with consents of the other artists... or that they've died and the copyright in invalid.. i mean that anyone can produces their works, but recognize them as the inventor kind of thing...

Most likely yes. I also know that artists in Taiwan and Hong Kong had too. If you look at their music videos or the lyric books that come with the CDs, you'd notice that if their song is copied from another artist, it would have the original artist's name written there. The law on copyrights is quite strict in Taiwan and Hong Kong, but unfortunately, I can't say the same for PRC

Whatever the case, song-copying just isn't cool, whether it's done legally or not. Be original

Now that I've got to compare them closely, I don't think they're too similar afterall. I thin Bao Chan's version's melody is clearly defined and more melodious that Keiko's version. What do you guys think?

I sure hope that he didn't really copy from Keiko. He stated that he composed the song in the 1980s for a Vietnamese film.

So true.

i agree with u, that's y i dun buy, no support from me at least.. btw, in Vietnam, they recognize that it's not written by Vietnamese, but usually dun tell the orignal writers their credits... which is sad.

I don't know but it seems a lot of vietnamese music lovers are enraged by it because "tinh thoi xot xa" was one of the hits of lam truong

Even if they give credit to the original artist, what's important is to get the permission from the original artist first.


Haha you should talk

Hy, its easier said than done. Even if they acknowledge the original artist, most people wouldn't know who they are or even give a damn.

I'm very shocked as well. Tinh Thoi Xot Xa is one of my 3 most fav Lam Truong song. The last time I was listening to it was this morning.. and then now even though its as old as this world... LOL

i agree, but i just saying that it's kinda sad..

kulong, watch your attitude towards Jayson. I have no intention of starting flame war but if I'm confronted I will.

Vietnam had no intention of going to war with China but when the situation demands, we Vietnamese will stand tall and unite as one. LOL

Again, NQSH is talking about war... <sigh>

Now you wanna start me punk .. muahahaha

that's true.. but sometime u dun kno the song writers really, u just saw singers... it's funny how i dun c Chuong's post b4 mine... and others as well, except Kulong's until now

Oh my god that pic is so cute kulong. Is that you?

Whatever -shurg

Get back to topic, NQSH

i'm so confused

Now that kulong the old kid decides to behave, I shall get back on topic.

okay.. now i get it.. hahahahaa

okay, now i dun get it.. what's wrong with what i said??

i don't know, i don't get what NQSH is talking about

lol, i think it starts from the picture Kulong posted... saying that Chuong is u kno primitive...

Not necessarily primite, just war-like and violent

i guess u were sending out wrong msg. there...

I can't help how people wish to interpret my message But I have never called NQSH "primitive", only war-like and violent. -shurg

that guy is not war-like to me.. look at his eyes.. i bet it's red from witnessing war...

Oh lord... Whatever -shurg

wat's so yucky about it??.. that's what i see....

Nevermind, this thread is about copying music in Vietnam, not NQSH's violent character