Hello All, I guess I can't stay away from politics.

Anyway, I have been thinking about stuff. If you recall, when a group of Khmer students attacked and burned down the Thai Embassay in Cambodia, the Thai government officials claimed that the Cambodian people had violated their "national sovereignty". As such, the Thai military was preparing to usher in the onslaught on the Khmer people. My question is if the Thais were to actually invade Cambodia, would Vietnam come in to intervene in order to "protect" Cambodia?

What do you all think?

If you invite us, we don't want to intervene in anyone's national security.

A better question, what would Cambodians do if Thailand invaded Cambodia?

Dai Viet, I personally think that Vietnam will come to defend the Khmer people from the Thais because Vietnam is the supporter of Hun Sen.

Well, only if Hun Sen wants Vietnam to help, doesn't Cambodia have a military? There's also the U.S., the U.N. Not likely for any country to invade any country this time of the century.

Menikani, I think the Cambodians would do what they would need to do to defend their country from the invaders.

Well, only if Hun Sen wants Vietnam to help, doesn't Cambodia have a military? There's also the U.S., the U.N. Not likely for any country to invade any country this time of the century.

I am sure Cambodia does have its own "military". However, I do not think that it is a match for either the Thai or the Viet military. I do not think that the United States will intervene militarily but it probably will intervene morally, so does the United Nations.

I pray for regional peace in Southeast Asia.

I think two in different ways as:

1) If the VN Government be honor to the Khmer People, as what they indicated to the world, then they have to use their political strategy to attack back the Thai invaded. To protect their partners (Khmers)...

2) But if the VN Government has a secret plan to exterminate to their partner (KhmerS) Then, the VN Government involve or give a hand with the Thais. In order to swallow the KhmerLand immediately!!

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RockHeart.
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Wow, that is a very interesting theory, RockHeart. Thank you for offering another point of view. Well, you know RockHeart, in the past, neither the Thais nor the Viets was able to incoporate Cambodia into their own territories. Personally, I think the Thais and the Viets could not really decide what to do with Cambodia because linguistically Cambodia is related to Vietnam, while culturally, Cambodia is related to Thailand. So I don't know what to think now...

Actually you're wrong, Vietnam had the chance to incorporate BOTH Cambodia and Laos into Vietnam but the emperor decided not to, which I think was the right decison. Cambodians and Laos deserve to be independent. On the other hand, Vietnam needed land for her own people. Throughout the 1000 years of recent history, Vietnam has always been looking for land for her own people due to land shortages, while Laos and Cambodia has always been trying to increase her own populations to populate the empty lands.

Back to topic, I'd say if the Cambodians asks for our help, we should and probably help them. However, I don't know what can we achieve by sacrificing Vietnamese lives.

I think The thais and Viets both sides wanted khmerland long time ago

We, Khmers already shared our beloved land to this powerful nations as wed seen our people living in and talking khmer lang in both contries.

it's our suffering that our country located near this two nations. Veits will surelly intervene becouse it doesn't need The big powerful thailand governing Khmerland.

And as you know some khmer people will ask for Viet's helping if Thais do so. Our ancestor such as kings had ever done the same tactics before. (I may say if Thais would invade khmer, some khmer people will ask for protection from Viets and if Viets would invade khmer ,The same khmer people will ask for protection from Thais too.)

The current Khmer govt had also needed The Viets for getting rid of Khmer rough.
It clearly understand that the Viets would give a hand becouse of it will fear thai occupying khmer and Viets will get alot of benefits after intervening.

All is my opinion.

So, currentely,We, Khmer People are living in the "Mid-Centre" Because, our brother VN protected in the Southern and the Northearn is my second brotherThai. both of them regarding for us. Then, why do we have to worry??? . We should be proud for our grateful fortune! Or, we can't trust those two "Nations" .

Oh! Well...Let the "World" justify for us!!! Then, We all are sacrifice together...

Detroit's West Side "Red Wing Student)...

RockHeart.
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Nam Quoc Son Ha,

Actually you're wrong, Vietnam had the chance to incorporate BOTH Cambodia and Laos into Vietnam but the emperor decided not to, which I think was the right decison. Cambodians and Laos deserve to be independent.

Hmmm, interesting comment there. However, the history shows that the Vietnamese did try to grab Cambodia for itself, in the past and also in the recent history. As a result, the Khmer people asked the Thais to intervene militarily. The Thais and the Viets did wage a long war against each other for the possession of Cambodia. The Viets however were not able to tip the balance scale, and as a result, they signed a peace treaty with the Thais and left Cambodia. Clearly, this shows that the Vietnamese did not think that "Cambodians...deserve to be independent". In the recent history, the world had again seen how Vietnam took the advantage of the opportunity to absorb Cambodia. After claiming to liberate Cambodia from the hands of the murderous regime, Vietnam grabbed Cambodia tightly and refused to let go at every peace negotiation for a decade. This shows that Vietnam clearly wanted to absorb Cambodia, but it wasn't able to tip over the balance scale, as then the world condemned it. Therefore, in conclusion, it is obvious that Vietnam did not think that "Cambodians...deserve to be independent". This of course causes the Khmer people to be suspicious of the "evil, immoral, predatory, expanding" Viets.


On the other hand, Vietnam needed land for her own people. Throughout the 1000 years of recent history, Vietnam has always been looking for land for her own people due to land shortages, while Laos and Cambodia has always been trying to increase her own populations to populate the empty lands.

Thank you for providing the cause of the Vietnamese expansion. If the Vietnamese want to expand, they should expand upwards, not sideways at the expense of their neighbors. I believe that the Vietnamese government is capable of controlling the birth rate of its population.

Back to topic, I'd say if the Cambodians asks for our help, we should and probably help them. However, I don't know what can we achieve by sacrificing Vietnamese lives.

If we reason from the historical point of view, then we clearly see that Vietnam has always wanted pro-Vietnam, weak neighbors. The case in point was the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in the 1980's. When Vietnam signed peaceful cooperation with the country of Lao, Cambodia was nervous. As a result, Cambodia increasingly sided with the superpower China. Seeing this, Vietnam strengthened its already existing relationship with the Soviet Unions. Clearly this shows that from its own point of view, Vietnam does not want any powerful country near it.

nobodyknown,

it's our suffering that our country located near this two nations. Veits will surelly intervene becouse it doesn't need The big powerful thailand governing Khmerland.

I will agree with you on that note because even history has shown us that. In addition, Thailand does not want Vietnam to be its neighbors either.

And as you know some khmer people will ask for Viet's helping if Thais do so. Our ancestor such as kings had ever done the same tactics before. (I may say if Thais would invade khmer, some khmer people will ask for protection from Viets and if Viets would invade khmer ,The same khmer people will ask for protection from Thais too.)

So the Khmer people were able to play the Thais and the Viets off each other, OK. History has showned us that the Viets had wanted to turn the Khmer people into Vietnamese, while the Thais only wanted a tributary from the Khmer. From this point of view, it is no wonder the Khmer tended to side with the Thais.

The current Khmer govt had also needed The Viets for getting rid of Khmer rough. It clearly understand that the Viets would give a hand becouse of it will fear thai occupying khmer and Viets will get alot of benefits after intervening.

I think you very correct for saying that. The Viets actually benefit a lot of things after having Hun Sen to their side. Records show that Hun Sen alone and personally illegally signed away Khmer territorial land and water to the Viets. What is puzzling to me is that the Vietnamese themselves already know that they illegally occupying Khmer territorial land and water, and yet they still continue their occupation until this day. The Vietnamese are known to protest and accuse the Chinese for the so-called claiming of Vietnamese territories. However, in regard to the Khmer lands and water, the Vietnamese unashamedly and criminally continue to grab and claim for their possession. For a moment, you think the Viets are able to have the empathy for the Cambodians because the Viets suffer the same feeling with the Chinese; however, the Viets have not shown that they care about the Cambodian territorial loss at all.

I think Vietnam will intervene since they have already planted their "SEEDS" in Cambodia. Their "SEEDS" won't be able to grow if Thailand invade Cambodia. They have already refer to themselve as Vietnamese ethnic of Cambodia. So my friend, they would never want to see their "SEEDS" not be able to grow.

However, I do not want to see any war between neighbors. I would only want to see one last war, the war to overthrown Hun Sen. That is the war I willing to support.

Thay

Upward is already filled with Cantonese and other minorities ^_^
Also, why would you attack the Rome of Asia?

If Thailand invade Cambodia, then Cambodian will celebrate and say Cambodia is saved by Thai!!! woohoo

Upward is already filled with Cantonese and other minorities ^_^
Also, why would you attack the Rome of Asia? If Thailand invade Cambodia, then Cambodian will celebrate and say Cambodia is saved by Thai!!! woohoo

Huh? I am lost. My suggestion of expanding upwards does not refer to expansion against others in the north. I was merely suggesting that the Vietnamese should build tall and more more more taller skyscrapers to providing more room for their numerous population. If you follow the recent Cambdian potical events, during the Anti-Thai riots in Cambodia, the Thai military wanted to carry out their onslaughts on the Khmer people. The Thais were not intending to save the Cambodians, but to show Cambodians how invincible and mighty their military strength is. My question to the general readers is that if the Thais invasion were to be real, what would Vietnam do? Please understand my original question first before offering your comment. Thank you.

*ahem* Iraq *ahem* Afganistan *ahem*

If Vietnam does decide to help Cambodia, it would only be because Vietnam wants itself to be the most powerful nation in Southeast Asia, not Thailand.

Right on Kulong. Thank you for pointing that out. You are very good, I must say. Alright enjoy your day.

Iraqi and Afghans invite the U.S. in, they should have known better. U.S. rules!

Vietnam will intervene, if and only if Cambodia needs Vietnam's help.

reason 1. Bush is stupid.
reason 2. they were scapegoats to US problems.
reason 3. divert attention from other problems in America, ei. all the broken promises the Republicans made for this term.

But the USA did not conquer the government they merely setup a new government that was US friendly.........o wait thats almost the same thing as a puppet government. nm then.


anyways- i was wondering what reasons does Thailand have for invading Cambodia? I live in the US and i dont really read too much on Thailand politics and stuff.

Exactly, why would Thailand invade Cambodia anyways?

Who will know about the situation in the future??? But we have to have a "Plan" before it will happen

DWS"RWS"...

RockHeart.
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Yeah, with your people's anti-Vietnamese rhetoric, I wonder whether we have a reason to help Cambodians. We helped them eliminate the KR but never did we receive any thank you. All we got were curses and anti-Vietnamese insults.

Right on



That's BS and you know it, DAI_VIET. Saying Iraqis and Afghans were the ones who "invited" the U.S. in is like saying Vietnamese invited China in hundreds of years ago

some of you actually thought the invasion of afghanistan was wrong? that was where the al qaeda network was located. they also had to destroy the taliban who were allies of al qaeda. but the invasion of iraq was wrong.

Did Vietnam attack China before everything happened? Those Afghan terrorists provoked war, and they will face the wrath of the mighty B-2s. Iraqis [government] certaintly ignored the demand of the U.N., therefore they will have to face it.

I am a democrat, by the way.

Han and Yue made contacts thousands of years ago. Do you really believe one day when a couple of Han emperors were sipping tea and just decided to attack the Yue out of boredom?

Anyway, that's not the point.

The point is, the general public never saw any hardcore evidence to proof that the Taliban was even holding Osama Bin Laden. Our "president"/emperor told us so and the American public was so angry and hurt at that time we just believed anything our "dear leader" told us. Heck, we invaded Iraq without any evidence revealed to the public either! Our dear leader Bush just said "trust me". Where is the WMD now, Bush? He blames the CIA...

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We're getting OT.

The point was... this was your statement



U.S. invaded boyh Afghanistan and Iraq. So your statement is wrong

WTF Dai Viet? Where are the WMDs?

Bush had an agenda to invade Iraq even before Sep 11. First for oil, second for revenge.

Americans are so blinded into believing that Bush was really interested in terrorists. He was only interested in oil and what profit can he and his cronies make. Think Halliburton.

OMG...

I can't believe this...

Nam Quoc Son Ha and I actually see eye to eye on an issue...

Hell is freezing over right now...

Hahaha

Life is full of ironies, my friend

I think the Bush got alot of evidences of Saddam Hussein from the Reporters and the Iragis population clarify about the Crime that Man did either. So...The Bush had to prostate the Regime Dictator down. The Bush tried to focus the Iragis lives, The Bush wanted the Iragis have a little hope in the future!

But the Saddam was so nasty! He killed its own civilian people without considering! He wanted to maintain its own power! He was rich by itself and its group party. He careless about its people lives...If you all have a LeaderDictator as him!! What would you all do?? And what would you all denounce to the World?? I believe all of us would like to have an independence as well. No one of us to wish have a Nasty Leader!! Please think a little deeper on that!! . Don't judge the Bush is not "GOOD" He was a "Best" in the world. I like the way he did!!!!


DWS"RWS"...

RockHeart.
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U.S. RULES!

Well to further added, for whatever reasons he have in mind. Liberate those people from Saddam Hussein is good thing. One problem though, he has just create a further war between American and the Islamic world. However, no evidence of WMD is found so it is hard for other to belief his word.

Thay

Right, the U.S. "liberated" the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein and now the government is going to be replaced by a puppet government that obeys the U.S. At least with Saddam, it was an Iraqi ruling the Iraqi people

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Anyway, back on topic...

but over all wouldnt the puppet government be better than having Hussein rule them.
Tru it is outside forces ruling the country but quality of life maybe better overall.

I don't think either would be good. Do you think U.S. really gives a crap about the Iraqi people? Whatever U.S. will have the puppet government do, it will only be in U.S. interest, not Iraq's interest...

Besides, this new puppet government will only last until it decide to grow a backbone and stand up against the U.S. Then the U.S. will create another excuse to invade Iraq for the third time

lol u got a point there. but theres has got to be some pro's to having US in control over there.

Yes, pros for the U.S., more money to be made by U.S. corporations and cheaper gas for the rest of us... on the expenses of the Iraqi people of course.

I meant for the Iraqi people. I know the US government is getting alot out of this at the expense of EVERY1 else incuding the american people and the soldiers still over there.

GDubya,cheney,rumsfeld and wolfewitz should all be put on trial. they lied about wmd simple as that. i got a feeling john kerry isn't gonna win the upcoming presidential election because he hasn't responded well against bush's anti-ads. howard dean is like a pit bull but damn he's just too liberal.

The Iraqi people will be worked to death for the most part. The lucky few who obey the U.S. will be sipping Starbucks bushaccino and getting fat off of Big Macs and being brainwashed by Hollywood movies.

I didn't denied that the "US" will not install any "puppet" government. However, the way Saddam Hussien treated his people, the term "leberate" should come to play? Maybe not much but little? True that if Saddam Hussien is still in power, Iraqis will be ruled by Iraqi, but the way he treat his people should at least took into consideration? I'm in no favor of Bush "invading" Iraq but the man like Saddam should not be in power at all.

Thay

kulong, I think you haven't realised the benefits of the US toppling of Saddam. Although I admit that the US is no saint when it comes to this issue. They were invading Iraq for the oil, to help Israel eliminate an enemy and to avenge on Bush's daddy's behalf. To be honest, the Americans don't give a crap what happens to the Iraqi, they didn't even give a $hit about Kurds being gassed and even covered up for their former buddy Saddam Hussein.

On the other hand, wouldn't you rather see embargo lifted of the Iraqi people's shoulders? No more dictatorship and tortures? No more embezzlement at the top while the people are dying from malnutrition?

I'm not saying having the U.S. kick the Iraqi people around is better or worse than having Saddam do it. I seriously doubt ANY of us would truly know unless we've lived both under Saddam's rule and current U.S. occupation. But it just sickens me that the U.S. government even attempts to glorify the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Hm i had learned lot of stories what these two nations had done to my country.

it's our duties to protect a bit less land from these two nations. Khmer will always look sorrowful mind if we, Khmer ask for help from them.

we lost our land and will lost forever if we don't keep in mind what they had played a secret plan for swallow our beloved motherland.

These two nations never come to save us for free. They always ask for something in return. no brothership with them is the best resolution. But we can't do nothing in this time we need all our strength for rebuild our nation to the glorious point as we had had in Angkor era.

May all khmer stand up for protection and keeping our beloved land from those ....

What would Vietnam do? If Thailand invaded Cambodia?

Thailand and Vietnam already planned to split Cambodia. If Thailand invaded Cambodia,I'm pretty sure Vietnam will joint in to share the other half. We'll see what it would be like in the future. We'll see who is going to invade who.

I alway wish peace between Thailand and Cambodia.

When has any nation "saved" another nation "for free"? Why would any nation risks the lives of its own people and spend a wad load of cash on fighting for someone else's livelihood for nothing?

Even if the U.S. wouldn't fight unless they are direclty threatened (WWI, WWII, Cold War) or would get something back in return (Iraq & its oil).

True, there have to be a catch. Even though America "join" WWII because of Japan bombing of Pearl Harbor, it lift America from the Great Depression. But still give Bush some credit for it.

Thay

if you're gonna help out another country, at least know it's not the type of help that would endanger your country and theirs. look what happen during khmer rouge era. china supported the cultural revolution of pol pot.

also, look what kinda help US gave cambodia after vietnam war. they supported the khmer rouge also for their own sick revenge against the north vietnamese. they were stunned that they lost the war against the communist viets and decided to aid khmer rouge also.

I'm neither born or raised in the PRC, but instead in the ROC (Taiwan) and later the U.S. Just because I'm Chinese it doesn't mean I personally supported Pol Pot

But anyway, I don't know enough about Pol Pot other than that he committed genocide.