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DAI_VIET
NO POLITICS, PLEASE!

PICTURES HEAVY!

Nguyen Prince Bao Dai in France, who became the last emperor of Vietnam.


Nguyen Emperor Khai Dinh, Bao Dai's father.


Nguyen Emperor Duy Tan at the age of less than 10 (Vietnam's hero-emperor). He got exiled in Reunion Island by the French, just because he loved his country.


Nguyen Emperor Thanh Thai, Duy Tan's father. Also exiled to Reunion Island.


Emperor Dong Khanh, Khai Dinh's father
DAI_VIET
Emperor Ham Nghi, also a hero of Vietnam's resistance against French colonials


Nguyen Emperor Tu Duc


Nguyen Emperor Minh Mang


Nguyen Emperor Gia Long
tattra
Thanks, bro. How did you get these pictures Daiviet ? Are you sure you're not royal ? hehehe
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (tattra @ Apr 2 2004, 10:18 PM)
Thanks, bro. How did you get these pictures Daiviet ? Are you sure you're not royal ? hehehe

Hehhehehe... I am a Tran.

Of all those pictures, I like emperor Thanh Thai's picture. He was the first Nguyen emperor that resisted the French, but the French forced him in exile. icon_sad.gif
DAI_VIET
On August 30, 1858, a joint force of 850 Spaniards and 1500 French began the invasion of Vietnam at the harbor of Da Nang. The battle began with battleships pounding along the coasts. Emperor Tu Duc sent general Nguyen Tri Phuong, who was in Gia Dinh (current day Ho Chi Minh city) back to Da Nang to counter attack. Here, general Nguyen Tri Phuong fought and defended the city.


Vietnamese scholars preparing to take the national civil exam, most of them here were from Quang Nam.


Vietnamese mandarins keep a look out during the exam.


Old school in a typical Vietnamese village.


Vietnamese patriots.
Doan Du
Dai Viet,

The picture of the prisonners is misleading. They were not Viet patriots. They were Chinese brigands caught by the French for murder and rape off the coast of Annam in 1934.

The picture has been unauthentically used by many Vietnamese politicians to incite hatred against the French and those Vietnamese who worked for the colonial administration.
Doan Du


Vietnamese officers in the French Army/The Western Front 1916.
Doan Du


Vietnamese officers in the French Army.
Doan Du


Vietnamese officers in the French Army. Prepared to take Duaumont from the Germans 1916.
Doan Du


First buddhist temple outside of Vietnam, 1917. Dedicated to the fallen sons of Annam, Tonkin and Cochinchina 1914-1918.
ngo.ngochy
oh wow !!
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Apr 3 2004, 01:02 AM)


Vietnamese officers in the French Army. Prepared to take Duaumont from the Germans 1916.

My grandpa fought in World War II for the French in Europe. The French compensated him some money about 10 years ago, I think.
drunk_on_tea
Whoa, I didn't know there were Vietnamese that fought in WWI and WWII? Both wars devasted Europe tremendously and mortality rates were alarming. icon_sad.gif Any statistics on these men?
Kulong
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Apr 3 2004, 02:32 PM)
Whoa, I didn't know there were Vietnamese that fought in WWI and WWII? Both wars devasted Europe tremendously and mortality rates were alarming. icon_sad.gif Any statistics on these men?

WWII also devastated Asia, namely China and Korea by Japan.
DAI_VIET
July 1858, French army began to attack Pearl Da Nang, and later in 1859 they invaded Gia Dinh (now is Saigon city). The French quickly took 3 eastern provinces of the south: Gia Dinh, Dinh Tuong, and Bien Hoa. Vietnamese army was weak and didn't have enough gun powder to fight back. King Tu Duc ordered Phan Thanh Gian to negotiate peace with the French and continue to defense other regions in the south.

June 1867, French army had begun to invade other provinces of the south. Phan Thanh Gian knew that his army would not stand tough enough to defense and many lives would be lost. He negotiated, but while he was away negotiating, French army already invaded Vinh Long province. Soon other regions in the south were under French control.

Angry with his lost, King Tu Duc removed his doctorate from national's recognition. Later Phan Thanh Gian took poison and die at age 74. He was disappointed that people and the King did not understand his situation at the time.

Phan Thanh Gian did not choose to battle the French not because he was afraid but he did not want to loose more lives for a battle which he know we would lose. The French army was equipped with guns, big canons and many battle ships while we were still fighting with swords and horses. It probably would be a no matched battle where thousand of Vietnamese would die unnecessary. Phan Thanh Gian took his own life to prove that he was not afraid of losing his life. That tragic death also proved that he did not surrender and did not worked for the French.

19 years later, in 1886, King Dong Khanh had realized to understand Phan Thanh Gian's situation and re-recognize his national doctorate and his dedication to serve our country.

Phan Thanh Gian was born in 1796. He earned a doctorate and served in the imperial bureaucracy since 1826. He had many distinguished services including the diplomacy between Vietnam and China at the time. Before the lost of Vinh Long province, he went to Paris and negotiating for the return of Gia Dinh, Dinh Tuong and Bien Hoa. Although that diplomatic mission was not successfully, his efforts and contribution to the country were significantly.

When the French were about to attack Vinh Long province, he told others that "If I fight the French and die in the battle, it would be an honor for me". Before he took poison and died, he told his children not to work for the French nor the Court.

drunk_on_tea
Hehe with a longer beard, he would look like Nguyen Trai. Both were great diplomats, I think. Vietnamese are not all war mongrels or agressors but only took that role when there is not other choice.
DAI_VIET
Nguyen Trai
Jayson
"Nguyen Emperor Duy Tan at the age of less than 10 (Vietnam's hero-emperor). He got exiled in Reunion Island by the French, just because he loved his country." -DAI_VIET

Why was he exiled exactly? Is there a story behind this?
Byron
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Apr 2 2004, 11:47 PM)
Dai Viet,

The picture of the prisonners is misleading. They were not Viet patriots. They were Chinese brigands caught by the French for murder and rape off the coast of Annam in 1934.

The picture has been unauthentically used by many Vietnamese politicians to incite hatred against the French and those Vietnamese who worked for the colonial administration.

That's not true. According to the book Vietnam: A History of Stanely Karnov, he shows that picture, and at the botton of the picture there is a caption that reads:

"Vietnamese prisoners being held in stocks after an attempt to subvert a French army garrison. This plot, uncovered in 1907, led to the executon of several Vietnames nationalist and the incarceration of many other."
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (Jayson @ Apr 3 2004, 04:05 PM)
"Nguyen Emperor Duy Tan at the age of less than 10 (Vietnam's hero-emperor). He got exiled in Reunion Island by the French, just because he loved his country." -DAI_VIET

Why was he exiled exactly? Is there a story behind this?

If memory serves. After the French exiled his father (emperor Thanh Thai), they took Duy Tan, who was less than 10 to be the next emperor. They thought that Duy Tan wouldn't know anything about politics, so that it would be easier for them to control Duy Tan and Vietnam.

When Duy Tan grew up, he resisted the French. He didn't follow what the French told him to do. He always spent time with the poor outside the imperial city. He got caught while having a secret meeting with the other patriots that were about to lead a revolution. He got exiled to Reunion island.
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Apr 3 2004, 04:13 PM)
QUOTE (Jayson @ Apr 3 2004, 04:05 PM)
"Nguyen Emperor Duy Tan at the age of less than 10 (Vietnam's hero-emperor). He got exiled in Reunion Island by the French, just because he loved his country." -DAI_VIET

Why was he exiled exactly? Is there a story behind this?

If memory serves. After the French exiled his father (emperor Thanh Thai), they took Duy Tan, who was less than 10 to be the next emperor. They thought that Duy Tan wouldn't know anything about politics, so that it would be easier for them to control Duy Tan and Vietnam.

When Duy Tan grew up, he resisted the French. He didn't follow what the French told him to do. He always spent time with the poor outside the imperial city. He got caught while having a secret meeting with the other patriots that were about to lead a revolution. He got exiled to Reunion island.



What was the story behind Duy Tan letting his identity be revealed by bowing to his teacher when the French captured him?


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Duy Tβn is an outstanding character that none of the last emperors of the Nguyen dynasty could be equal to. One can only regret his sudden disappearance due to a plane crash that took place at the end of 1945 on his way back from a mission from Vietnam. His death continues to feed doubt and remains one of the mysteries not elucidated until today. One found in him at that time not only the unequal popularity he knew how to acquire from his people, the royal legitimacy, but also an undeniable francophile, an alternative solution that general De Gaulle contemplated to propose to the Vietnamese at the last moment to counter the young revolutionary Hồ Chν Minh in Indochina. If he had been alive, Vietnam probably would not have known the ill-fated decades of its history and been the victim of the East-West confrontation and the cold war. It is a profound regret that every Vietnamese could only feel when talking about him, his life and his fate. It is also a misfortune for the Vietnamese people to have lost a great statesman, to have written their history with blood and tears during the last decades.
Jayson
Thankx Dai_Viet.
DAI_VIET
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What was the story behind Duy Tan letting his identity be revealed by bowing to his teacher when the French captured him?


I have no idea. Where did you hear this story?

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Duy Tβn is an outstanding character that none of the last emperors of the Nguyen dynasty could be equal to. One can only regret his sudden disappearance due to a plane crash that took place at the end of 1945 on his way back from a mission from Vietnam. His death continues to feed doubt and remains one of the mysteries not elucidated until today. One found in him at that time not only the unequal popularity he knew how to acquire from his people, the royal legitimacy, but also an undeniable francophile, an alternative solution that general De Gaulle contemplated to propose to the Vietnamese at the last moment to counter the young revolutionary Hồ Chν Minh in Indochina. If he had been alive, Vietnam probably would not have known the ill-fated decades of its history and been the victim of the East-West confrontation and the cold war. It is a profound regret that every Vietnamese could only feel when talking about him, his life and his fate. It is also a misfortune for the Vietnamese people to have lost a great statesman, to have written their history with blood and tears during the last decades.


So true.
drunk_on_tea
It was something along the line: For some reason, the French did not know who the heir to the throne was and only knew of his name. They tried to find him but was able to find his teacher instead and brought him in, shackled. Moved by the sight of his teacher's suffering, Duy Tan had to kneel down and ask his teacher for forgiveness thus revealing his identity to the French. It is a good example of our people's tradition in honoring and respecting those that have taught and educated us.

Side note: Did you know that Duy Tan was the only emperor that allowed his wife to eat with him? hehe.
DAI_VIET
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It was something along the line: For some reason, the French did not know who the heir to the throne was and only knew of his name. They tried to find him but was able to find his teacher instead and brought him in, shackled. Moved by the sight of his teacher's suffering, Duy Tan had to kneel down and ask his teacher for forgiveness thus revealing his identity to the French. It is a good example of our people's tradition in honoring and respecting those that have taught and educated us.

Really? I've never heard of that story though. I know that Duy Tan's mother didn't want him to be the next emperor, because of her husband (Thanh Thai). Wow, that story touched my heart.

QUOTE
Side note: Did you know that Duy Tan was the only emperor that allowed his wife to eat with him? hehe.

Woa! That's something.
drunk_on_tea
Random pictures.


Empress Nam Phuong


Last heir to the throne: Bao Long


Emperor Quang Trung

Let's try to find more.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Nice pics. Now I feel so nostalgic about Vietnamese imperial past. cry2.gif
Nero874
Reading old posts....this definitely deserves a bump to the top.
LaniKai
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Reading old posts....this definitely deserves a bump to the top.

Another bump by this photo
Notice the 2 characters in the lower R/H corner
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chinowei
annan
安南
peaceful south
LaniKai
QUOTE(chinowei @ Dec 3 2006, 06:19 PM) [snapback]2539294[/snapback]

annan
安南
peaceful south

Or " pacified south " : An Nam in Vietnamese . ( Hey , I like the female staying inside a shelter representing the meaning ' an ' ---> pretty neat ! )
easternshadow
[quote name='DAI_VIET' date='Apr 2 2004, 09:09 PM' post='125207']
NO POLITICS, PLEASE!

PICTURES HEAVY!

Nguyen Prince Bao Dai in France, who became the last emperor of Vietnam.
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Do you know that Bao Dai once stayed at Hong Kong and Bao Dai had a very big and nice House in HK.
chinowei
QUOTE(LaniKai @ Dec 3 2006, 11:24 PM) [snapback]2539683[/snapback]

Or " pacified south " : An Nam in Vietnamese . ( Hey , I like the female staying inside a shelter representing the meaning ' an ' ---> pretty neat ! )

lol..yeah i guess that means women should stay in side the house in order to be safe..hahah
LaniKai
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Duy Tβn is an outstanding character that none of the last emperors of the Nguyen dynasty could be equal to. One can only regret his sudden disappearance due to a plane crash that took place at the end of 1945 on his way back from a mission from Vietnam. His death continues to feed doubt and remains one of the mysteries not elucidated until today. One found in him at that time not only the unequal popularity he knew how to acquire from his people, the royal legitimacy, but also an undeniable francophile, an alternative solution that general De Gaulle contemplated to propose to the Vietnamese at the last moment to counter the young revolutionary Hồ Chν Minh in Indochina. If he had been alive, Vietnam probably would not have known the ill-fated decades of its history and been the victim of the East-West confrontation and the cold war. It is a profound regret that every Vietnamese could only feel when talking about him, his life and his fate. It is also a misfortune for the Vietnamese people to have lost a great statesman, to have written their history with blood and tears during the last decades. { / quote }

Can't find the original posting of this , would be quite neat & convenient to have the original link / source .
Seemed like foul play , his death thumbsdown.gif confused.gif
LaniKai
QUOTE(chinowei @ Dec 3 2006, 10:58 PM) [snapback]2540197[/snapback]

lol..yeah i guess that means women should stay in side the house in order to be safe..hahah

Fourth class carriage
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The train station (on duong Le Duan at pho Tran Hung Dao) was built between 1898 – 1912, with a third story added in the 1920s.

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House Dinh Liet Street Old Merchant Style Hanoi

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Market Interior near Ta Hien St Hanoi
azyanghost
those are very nice pictures,please post more and make sure to include description of the pics.
LaniKai
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those are very nice pictures,please post more and make sure to include description of the pics.

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Saigon - 1922 - Catinat road and the Continental Hotel

Province of Hadong - women carrying their children
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LaniKai
Province of Nam-Dinh- Floating Houses
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On Road to Tam Dao Northern VN
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azyanghost
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Province of Nam-Dinh- Floating Houses
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On Road to Tam Dao Northern VN
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these pictures remind me of my own country especially the person in the bicycle.do men in your country also wear those cone shape hats?
LaniKai
QUOTE(azyanghost @ Dec 8 2006, 07:03 PM) [snapback]2553137[/snapback]

these pictures remind me of my own country especially the person in the bicycle.do men in your country also wear those cone shape hats?

Mostly women wear them , men like to get a good tan
TrashCleaner
Men wear them as well, but not as often.


Lanikai, if you dont know vietnamese culture well, i suggest that you stop replying to question about our culture.
Rocky Cuong V
fascinating.
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^ WTF is that about?
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LaniKai


On The Way Home

One day, I left the city and went back,
to see the hills and streams of my Cham race.
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Worn thin with longing, here are my Cham towers;
old temples crushed beneath the weight of time;
deserted rivers crawling through the night;
Cham statues moaning their foul sores of rust.

Here are deep woods, where treetops droops-Cham ghosts
prowl them together, groping in the dark;
dense forests where, pell-mell, weird twilight spreads,
redolent of earth, alive with sad adieus.

Often, both sides joined battle on this field;
dead fighters’ souls roam all forlorn and howl.
Cham blood still churns with anger as time flows;
Cham bones still carry memories of hate.

Here are the sights of Champaland at peace;
lone hamlets bathed in streams of sunset gold;
Cham lasses nimbly sauntering, homeward bound,
and gaily chatting, wrapped in brown red smocks.

Here are resplendent mansions in the sun
and gorgeous palaces beneath blue skies,
proud warboats sleeping on the quiet stream,
huge elephants calmly walking by the wall.

In the ethereal glow of pearls, here are
Cham kings and courtiers drunk on ivory flesh.
Cham beauties lulled to dream by songs of flutes,
swaying in rhythm, bodies fair as flowers.

I’ll see them all, those scenes, on my way home-
they’ve haunted me as days and months pass by;
and ever since, my heart has overflown
with sorrow and regret for my Cham race.

from “Dieu Tan” collection by Che Lan Vien (1920-1992)
translated by Huynh Sanh Thong
excerpted from The Viet Nam Review, No. 2,
Spring/Summer 1997



Tren Duong Ve

Mot ngay biec thi thanh ta roi bo
quay ve xem non nuoc giong dan Hoi
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Day, nhung thap gay mon vi mong doi
nhung den xua do nat duoi thoi gian,
nhung song vang le minh trong bong toi,
nhung tuong Cham lo loi ri ren than.

Day, nhung canh ngan sau cay la ngon,
muon ma Hoi so soang dat nhau di,
nhung rung tham bong chieu lan hon don,
lung dua huong, ron ra tieng tu qui.

Day, chien dia, noi doi ben giao tran,
muon co hon tu si het gam vang,
Mau Cham cuon thang ngay niem oan han,
xuong Cham luon rao rat noi cam hon.

Day, nhung canh thai binh trong Chiem Quoc,
nhung co hon vang nhuom nang chieu tuoi,
nhung Chiem nu nhe nhang quay lai ap,
ao hong nau phu phat xoa loi vui.

Day, dien cat huy hoang trong anh nang,
nhung den dai tuyet my duoi troi xanh,
Day, chien thuyen nam mo tren song lang,
bay voi thieng tram mac dao ben thanh.

Day, trong anh ngoc luu li mo ao,
vua quan Chiem say dam thit da nga,
nhung Chiem nu mo mang trong tieng sao,
cung nhip nhang uyen chuyen uon minh hoa.

Nhung canh ay tren duoung ve ta da gap,
thang ngay qua am anh mai khong thoi,
va tu day long ta luon tran ngap
noi buon thuong, nho tiec gion dan Hoi.

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