Our world is getting torn apart. Getting more destructive just because of uncontrollable anger. Human can be very greedy when it comes to opinion, territory, food, luxury. It's about time that we all learn to understand each other, learn how to communicate instead of ATTACKING. It's about time that should focus on our beautiful planet then, POWER. Despite our differences in culture and language, we're still human. We all have the same goal, that is to live. SO lets live a better world.

Why I brought this topic up, I am new to this AF. And been reading people's messages. Some of them are very offensive. And I am just sick of this kind of attitude. AS I scroll along the messages in all forums, I hate to mention it but I will display here, members such Dai Viet, Byron, or Jayson and other young Vietnamese children. There are members in AF who really try hard to educate, who wants to share information but when FACT SHEET are proven or speaking the truth about their country, all they could do is ATTACKING or using profanity language. Or do they even care to read? Many of the attackers jump to the nonsense conclusion. There's no need to swear or label my country people (dark ugly Cambodian, weird stupid). Also, just for those who haven't been to other Cambodian forum or chat. We've been having problem with young Vietnamese. Some of them pretend to be Cambodian or have Cambodian nick, they stir up the forum.(Well it's not new, their government has been doing in Cambodian as well)

It's time that some of the ATTACKERS change attitude otherwise, the world will never be peace. More destruction and more hates. It's time that we all should learn together.

Peace in our heart!

erm.. i thought they weren't being serious... but those 3 guys + "the young Vietnamese generation " aren't the only ones doing the attacking... but i am all 4 peace!

I don't understand why the Vietnamese(especially the Byron dude) in this forum have so much hatred on the Cambodian. i am all for peace as well. I love the Cambodian's culture, its people, and basically everything about them.

P.S. Byron, i hated the communists and people like you. why do you have to defend those stupid vit cong ? i know that you are one of them and i must say you are stupid as well. Some of these viet cong cannot write or read, yet, they are the one that run the country. geez!!!

You've posted this topic in all the forums and you're just mentioning the Viet people who are causing all the trouble. I'm sure there are other people besides the viets who are causing trouble. Why don't you name them and not just the Viets?

I don't hate anyone.

hey Simple, u must be new to this site cuz u dun know how many threads was made by the Cambodians especially RockHeart with the hatred against the Vietnamese.

Just because someone does not approve of the VC does not automatically make them a South Vietnmase regime supporter.
What happened to the Cambodians is sad, no need to bring in and constantly repeat about Vietnamese 'victories' to excerbate the inhumanity they suffered. Just keep the rhetoric on a reasonable level.
If SV did win, giving land back to Cambodia is just based on your assumptions. Hmmm, what about the VC's boundary settlement with Ai Nam Quan? That already happened and yet you're not crying over that Byron.

I feel this is totally bias. You make it seems like you cambodians are all vitums. HA!... Your people are the ones who do most of the attacking first and we are doing the defending roll.... And KhmerBeauty, you're not innocent you hypocrite. Take a step back and read what you say about us in your Cambodian section.

It's so typical of you cambodians so start $hit than turn around and make it seems like you're the victums.

i rather b a SV supporter than the VC, 'cuz the VC take money from the ppl and spend it on themselves..

But then again so did South Vietnam. At least Ho Chi Minh was more humble and decided not to live in a palace when he ruled North Vietnam and decided to live only in a small house where he grew up instead, while Diem and his family wore the newest fashions and lived in a big palace while Ho Chi Minh wore modest clothing and spent his time fighting for the Vietnamese's freedom from foreigners.

South Vietnam generals only fought for the money they didn't care about the war, which is why they easily lost, even this American official admitted the South Vietnamese government only fought for the U.S's money.

The Vietcong fought for independance and won.

I agree with Jason. You are a hyprocrite. You're attempting to make the viet people look bad. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing. But i don't mean this to all Cambodian peple.

Almost every SV general committed suicide, I don't think they were guaranteed monetary payments in the afterlife. The U.S. commended South Vietnamese soldiers for their skills but of course, people who have that much skewed view toward the other side will always choose to believe what they want.
By the time the VN civil war erupted, VN was already independent.

Are you joking? Lots of them fleed to America. Haven't you seen those pics of South Vietnamese supporters running to the helicopters and trying to get out of the country.

Commit suicide. lol right. Tell that to Air Marshall and the last president of the South Vietnamese government who now lives in America right now.

Did you not see the word "general"? I didn't mean the whole ARVN army.

-KhmerBeauy
Acturally, you cambodians are the ones who resort to name callings and profanity because you can't get your point across. And why is that? Because most of the time you cambodians don't provide edvidence about the things you say and claim is true. But on the other hand, most of the Vietnamese here provide you people with edvidence, such as links to websites and yet you still resort to profanity because we proved you people wrong and you people feel like an idiot now.

The faggot and his drag queer boy friend is talking.

it's generals...

my dad's general, Hung, committed suicides

Evidence is in Kampuchea krom. Where else would you like to look for? Do ma queer.

Here's a perfect example of a cambodian who is using profanity.

Again your joking right? I read articles about former South Vietnamese commanders and generals who are now in the U.S who go to schools and tell the classes about their experiences in the Vietnam war. Trust me they mostly did it for the money. Why do you think most of Vietnam supported the Vietcong? Because they believed the Vietcong were fighting a just war, why would the South government fight a war that their own people don't approve of? It's was probably for the money.

"No event in American history is more misunderstood than the Vietnam War. It was misreported then, and it is misremembered now." -Richard Nixon

y dun u go and read a bit more about the Viet's view on the war... i mean the ones who support SV and b open-minded??

Do you see what I mean when cambodians can't get their point across so they use profanity?... Just scroll up.

Byron, the top commanders are generals and most have committed suicide with the exception of Lam Quang Thi, he is the only general now living in the U.S. that has published works.

Byron, your assumption is very stupid to me. You don’t really know what they future will hold, yet, you are saying that the Vietnamese people are stupid enough to give up our land. I assumed that Vietnam would have been better by now if the south were in power. Vietnam is a bad place to live all because of those viet cong. Seriously, I never wanted to go back to Vietnam because I am afraid that they going to take all my money, put me in jail, and even kill me. Those viet cong are the devil

PS. I love all Asian’s culture.

You are the one who started biasing over khmerbeauty,queer.

You are being way too paranoid.

Go on make peace. Just disregard Newkampujea,jayson and Moron I meant byron.

-jayson

That's bashing?.. Lol.. you seem to have an inferiority complex.

Ummmm yeah. I'm sure anyone who goes back to Vietnam right now are gonna get robbed by the Vietcong.

You do know Vietnam has improved a lot and now it's poverty level is around twenty something percent. So I doubt they would care about the few American dollars you have.

Yup. Viet Nam is dramatically changing and top investors predict that in twenty years, VN's economy will be one of the top 10 in the world. Politics is different but overall, the country is improving tremendously.

I wouldn't say the top 10. The analyst predict Vietnam will surpass Thailand in 10 years but I doubt the top 10 though, but then again anything can happen.

Well that's only Ho, every single high ranking officials below him is corrupt.
In theory, Ho's Declaration of Independence and constituation is what vietnam needed. However the current commnunist govt is doing the opposite of what Ho wanted. They're aware of this, but to follow Ho's direction would means they have to lose many benifits....


I'm anti-communist, but i got to say that high ranking officials in the south are just as corrupt as the current communist govt. Most of them fled the country after filled up their swiss bank accounts even before the war was over. If they were united for a cause not just for the green, they would have succeed.

There were also Vietnamese who helped the French fight the Vietminh in the battle of Diem Ben Phu. They were promised their own lands if they helped the French fight the Vietminh. I think they were later part of the South Vietnamese government.

Basically here is the pattern. Anyone who helped foreigners try to conquer Vietnam usually did it for the money or land.

you think you even spelled Dien Bien Phu wrong

give me more evidence... 20% is low for a country like Vietnam ^_^ but i could be wrong though

yay !!

i don't think that's going to happen anytime soon lol... we're about 10 to 20 years behind china.

Those traitor should get their head chop. like Bao Dai...

I think vietnam should be better off with the vietminh nationalist not communist or the fake democratic govt of the South..

http://www.vir.com.vn/Client/VIR/index.asp...ent.asp&doc=607

"The country’s poverty rate fell from over 70 per cent in the mid-1980s to 29 per cent in 2002, one of the sharpest declines of any developing country on record, according to the United Nation Development Programme. Together with improvements in its business environment, Vietnam’s high GDP growth of 7 per cent last year – the second highest in Asia after China – has brought the country to the attention of international investors."

who cares who we're behind??... i only care that VN is improving!!

btw: the poverty rate in 98 was about 37% (i just checked)... and from 98-04.. there has been improvement.. so it's believable that the rate is now 20something... just a thought.. dun take my words for it...

If only I can find the link. The article was on vietnam.net and it was by a top foreign investor that had said that.

Of course we are behind, we only adopted free market in the late 80s and barely got our embargoes lifted.

there's no vietnam.net

http://www.vnn.vn
You can read articles in english too.

Vietnam still depends on a $3 billion/year from Vietnamese Americans sending money home to help relatives.

When you lose 2.3 million Northern men vs 234,000 Southern men and 56,000 Americans, it's hardly a victory. When you lose your culture and ideology to the people that you conquered, it's hardly a victory.

The South, although not perfect, was by far the best hope for Vietnam as far as a democratic & pluralistic nation.

Not to mention the 2 million souls lost at sea.
I am not condoning any corruption and such from either regimes but no matter how much you glorify the North's victory, the Republic of Viet Nam was still more advanced and now remains a lost opportunity that could have develop Viet Nam even further.

Most of the corruption charges against South Vietnamese officials were exaggerated to legitimize US control. The United States never gave Vietnam any hard cash, so how the hell were that the South Vietnamese government able to skim US money anyway? As far as I know South Vietnamese never sold any military hardware for hard currency in the open market.

Most of the corruption lie with the US Army. The Army had contracts with many countries like Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Thailand and the Phillipines where the contractors would be paid in US dollars and kickbacks were frequently offered to the men in charge of control of the funds. Morever, the people who benefited the most were the Defense contractors and the farmers stateside because the US government paid them - not the South Vietnamese - to ship the goods to Vietnam.

was it true that vietnam's population was increasing by 1 million a year during the 80's? i remember reading this somewhere.

That is most likely to be true. The Vietnamese population has more than doubled since the war, from 35 million in 1975 to 82 million in 2004.