The yanks got the shlt kicked out of them in that war. Do the Vietnamese take pride in that or is that entire mess just a painful event to even recollect?

i dun take pride in that.. though i hate the the democratic party in america for that..

I'd say pride.

Yes we take pride in it. But it cost us dearly.

Hmm......I'd say that most Vietnamese don't take any "pride" in that. That is the most devasted war that has ever been fought on the soil of Vietnam.

The Vietnam war was a war between the US and the USSR, both used the vietnamese people as a pawn to play their political chess game.

If only that wasn't the truth. But in most countries do things in their national interest. Vietnam was the US's pawn which it lost, but it still won the cold war where it counted and today remains the sole superpower. If the US and South Vietnam had won, the country would be so much better off today.

Than you should be happy with it.

Yeah rigth, if the US and south Vietnam won, your homeland will have to worship the U.S everyday.

This is a forum so idiots with no background or experience concerning Vietnam can say whatever they wish. If one disagree, at least have the credidential and be Vietnamese or someone who have study Vietnamese history. But when you're a PRC frantics who likes to bash other culture, it's all very lame. But yes, have your spill.

Oh... I forget, Vietnam is lack of development. More over, the nation is controlled by supermacist like you. Hmm... I may suggest them to open their eyes and look at the world before thinking how powerful is their peoples is.

I was talking about South Vietnam. But you switched to the current Vietnamese govt. You really have no clue about Vietnamese history? Usually people think the PRC is arrogant, but if you think Vietnam has the power to be arrogant then I guess we're really moving up the ladder. Underdeveloped? Wow another example of PRC supremacist hating on Vietnamese.

You may have to point the finger to yourself. Read the old post, and you will understand that is you Vietnamese who started to act like Veitnamese is very powerful in this world. Especially for you HeroSwords and tgt.

I'd feel more painful than pride. Beside of the fact that I had two uncles and two grand uncles who died fighting for both sides, here are a few reasons:

Our country was used as pawns in a foreign conflict of ideology between the Superpowers that had nothing to do with our values (Asian societies were never of communism or that "free".)

The bomb tonage used to drop onto my country exeeded all bombs dropped in WWII combined.

The environment and human in my country continue to suffer from Agent Orange.

And last but not least, it created a civil war that killed 3 millions Vietnamese and so much destruction to the Viet race. Vietnamese can still be seen hating each other, only because the side they happened to belong to 30, 40 years ago.

One of my favorite photos about the Vietnam War, it contains nothing about pride

We are all victims of the Cold War - Capitalism against Communism. It's truly an unconscionable shame that the Superpowers chose Vietnam as a battleground for their ideology contest and the Vietnamese Communists being an active participant to the demise of the country.

Depends on who you are. It wasn't Vietnam that beat America it was those loyal to Ho Chi Minh. If you are one of them, then yeah you would probably feel proud. But if you are loyal to the old Saigon government and worked with the U.S against Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong then yeah you would probably hate that the U.S lost.

Considering most Vietnamese Americans are loyal to the old South Saigon government then yeah they hate that the Vietcong won and the North won. Which is why I don't go around the Vietnamese community here telling people how great the Vietcong are, because I'll probably get beat up for it.

No one should be proud that so many lives were lost. Bloodshed is never cause for celebration. The Vietnamese lost many lives, and so did the US. Millions of young American boys were killed during that war a war that they didn't want to fight but were forced to by the US government.
When they came back, they were called babykillers, they were shunned, they were not honored for fighting for their country like they were asked to do, some forced to do. And to clear up an earlier misconception the United States never declared war on Vietnam, OR on the USSR. It was called the Vietnam conflict. The US political parties of the time, sought only to stop the spread of Communism. A system that has repeatedly proven itself that while it may look nice on paper, it doesn't work. So much so that the Vietnamese government has through the years, become to redefine itself so that there actually is some Capitalism.
My question is, 30 years later, does it really matter?
It's over. And while the results of it remain, it is simply a sad memory of a time when a lot of loved ones were lost.
Many of my loved ones were killed in Vietnam, I was just a child but I remember.
Do I hold that against Vietnam? No. Do I hold that against the US government? No.
Because everyone thought they were fighting for a good cause. Unfortunately the reality of wanting to do the right thing has its consequences.
And I don't know how anyone, can dare to be proud over killing others.
Victory comes with sacrifice, and that is a time to remember the loss, to mourn it and to move on. Not to take the next 30 years to continue to fight about it, and to boast about the results.
From what I've seen you are all so young..most of you probably weren't even alive when it happened. Well I was. And I had to go there to claim a body because the Vietnamese POW camp would not release it to the government. We had to go get it. And I almost got blown up in Saigon. And I almost got trapped in Hanoi. And I cant' believe you are even asking such a heartless question.
Shame on you.
Jenny

Right on Jenny.

I wasn't old enough to have lived through any major wars that had a direct effect on me, but I have heard enough stories from my grandfather who fought against both the Japanese and the Chinese Communist and my grandmother who survivied the Nanjing Massacre to know that war is not nearly as "glorious" as video games portray it.

Jenny I thought you weren't Việtnamese, but engaged to a Việtnamese guy..?

DragonMP, there is no such word in viet or english as "Việtnamese"...
maybe it belong to the Vietlish language?





















just bugging ya hehehe

Dragon,
I'm not Viet, and I am engaged to a Vietnamese guy, but as I stated my only trip to vietnam was with my mother to reclaim my father's body. thankfully they sent us my brother. My father was an officer, my brother was drafted.
We Americans had a lot of loss too..
-Jenny

Wars are sad

Marcus Aurelis: Maximus, tell me, why are we here?
Maximus: For the glory of the empire, sire.

yes they are...very sad. Actually this is the most I think I've spoken of it and I remember very little. Only what happened and almost being killed their myself. My family rebuilt itself but not without painful memories. I suppose this is why I am a pacifist.
Jenny

That is exactly how Hollywood had glorified and romanticized wars...

wars r nuthin to glorify about, in the end only the innocent suffer. true its nuthin to romantizie about, whn u see it rite in fornt of u then u knoe how those people tht suffered feel. if ur the type the r saditic all i can say is buddy i feel sorry for u.