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LittleAnimeGirl
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif I may live their when I get fluent enough, and if I don't I'll be going their alot. I'm part Japanese but from a distance relavite so I guess I look more spanish I don't look japanese that much but for my eyes and my face can get really light and my hair is dark brown. I'm afraid they may shun me because I don't look so much like them, even though I'm part Japanese. Is it tru that the Japanese don't like forengers? And do you think they would shun me and be rude?

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.
AtlantisStar
People are people. I've never seen them act mean when I was on my choral trip for my music department, when we performed in Tokyo. Actually they were quite nice.
LittleAnimeGirl
But i'm woried they won't accept me casue I hope to maybe one day become a japanese singer, I'm woried they will judge me because I don't look alot like them and they may think I'm not japanese
AtlantisStar
Namie Amuro I believe was Filipino, she's VERY popular!

Who knows. Do you have a good voice? Try to get a recording company to audition you or something. Though you must be excellent with your notes and directly on top of the pitch!
LittleAnimeGirl
I'm known in school for my singing, but I'm not very fluent in japanese so I dibt they would accept me wit not knowing japanese and all
AtlantisStar
Well like most countries (in general) people kinda get annoyed if words are pronounced wrong.

But one thing, voice quality matters, but if you can't be on pitch 100% of the time, you're not getting in any recording studio
LittleAnimeGirl
I know =S well I'm only 13 I still have time, I'm looking for a place to teach me japanese and I'm gonna get into a singing class soon
AtlantisStar
lol Japanese is nothing like english other than a few grammar stuffies and cognates.

Goodluck tho.
Cherry Blossom
awww good luck hunnie
Digital Insanity
QUOTE (LittleAnimeGirl @ Mar 26 2004, 06:45 PM)
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif 

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.

Sadly, there are accounts of xenophobia over there in Japan. icon_confused.gif

And they're all over the internet.

Yahoo! search: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=xenophobi...op=mss&tab=&Z=1
AtlantisStar
I suggest you go to japan there first, and get an idea before you go and start something focusing in that country
samat




Yes, xenophobia is in Japan, like MOST countries. I'm not trying to point finger at you japanese so don't take it the wrong way. I just find it annoying when some non-japanese takes a 3day holiday trip to japan and then act like Japan is the most non-racist country in the world..... sure.gif sure.gif (NOT you guys, but I just KNOW that someone is going to post here about how non-racist and nice japan is to live in.. ijust KNOW IT.. well, maybe not now after seeing my links..)

http://www.debito.org/newsweekjapan022603.html

http://www.debito.org/activistspage.html

That is a good site. It has a lot of info on racial discrimination in japan (university, police, profiling, clubs, restaurants, stores, World Cup 2002, Ishihara, ETC.).
AtlantisStar
I don't notice any in tokyo, when i go
samat
You think you can see all of Tokyo during trips?? icon_rolleyes.gif Not to mention, tokyo is just one city in japan..

I want to emphasize that my point wasn't to blame japan or anything like that. Most japanese I know acknowledge xenophobia and racism in Japan. It is the non-japanese who are in love with Japanese stuff that spouts crap about how much of a paradise Japan is.. Japan is no different from any other country, racism is everywhere. NO ONE can deny it
AtlantisStar
Where did I say that? You're like a new kulong!

No I don't think I've touched every corner of tokyo sure.gif
But most of it, I've dined, and lived in hotels there for quite a while during the summers
Ogumo
There is racism in japan but I believe that it is over exaggerated.
AtlantisStar
What ogumo said. God I love Ogumo, he's cool cool30.gif
直隸總督
I've been to Japan once. People were generally nice, but I couldn't speak Japanese so I don't know if there was anyone talking behind my back.
AtlantisStar
Come to think of it...........
I've not heard anyone gossip when I was in japan except in TV shows.
Cherry Blossom
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 26 2004, 11:36 PM)
QUOTE (LittleAnimeGirl @ Mar 26 2004, 06:45 PM)
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif 

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.

Sadly, there are accounts of xenophobia over there in Japan. icon_confused.gif

And they're all over the internet.

Yahoo! search: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=xenophobi...op=mss&tab=&Z=1

thanks for the links, i had no idea how bad it was.
fk650
QUOTE (LittleAnimeGirl @ Mar 26 2004, 09:45 PM)
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif I may live their when I get fluent enough, and if I don't I'll be going their alot. I'm part Japanese but from a distance relavite so I guess I look more spanish I don't look japanese that much but for my eyes and my face can get really light and my hair is dark brown. I'm afraid they may shun me because I don't look so much like them, even though I'm part Japanese. Is it tru that the Japanese don't like forengers? And do you think they would shun me and be rude?

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.

I think if you're cute, all the guys would be nice to you. That's true anywhere in the world actually.
AtlantisStar
QUOTE (Cherry Blossom @ Mar 27 2004, 02:14 AM)
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 26 2004, 11:36 PM)
QUOTE (LittleAnimeGirl @ Mar 26 2004, 06:45 PM)
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif 

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.

Sadly, there are accounts of xenophobia over there in Japan. icon_confused.gif

And they're all over the internet.

Yahoo! search: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=xenophobi...op=mss&tab=&Z=1

thanks for the links, i had no idea how bad it was.

Honestly you can't get that as an Idea unless you've been there to experience it and make your own conclusions.

As for white people, I'm very sure that Japanese (in general) are very nice to.
Xiao Rong Ji
QUOTE (LittleAnimeGirl @ Mar 26 2004, 09:45 PM)
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif I may live their when I get fluent enough, and if I don't I'll be going their alot. I'm part Japanese but from a distance relavite so I guess I look more spanish I don't look japanese that much but for my eyes and my face can get really light and my hair is dark brown. I'm afraid they may shun me because I don't look so much like them, even though I'm part Japanese. Is it tru that the Japanese don't like forengers? And do you think they would shun me and be rude?

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.

Yes, it is very true. The Japanese are famous for their irrational, xenophobic racism. If you plan on going to Japan, I sincerely propose hiring a couple of body guards. You may be attacked by mobs of angry Japanese if they find out about your mixed racial heritage. But don't worry: The Chinese Jihad Society of Berkeley is offering bodyguard services, if you're interested. For only $150 per day, plus food and board, you get two highly qualified bodyguards armed in the ancient Chinese martial arts of as well as the Islamic martial art of suicide bombing (if things get real rough). PM me if you're interested.
AtlantisStar
Xiao, how asinine are you?
Xiao Rong Ji
QUOTE (AtlantisStar @ Mar 27 2004, 11:38 PM)
Xiao, how asinine are you?

I'm reporting you to a moderator, for your personal attack against me. But seeing how this place is run by administrators and moderators who hate me because of my ideology, I'll probably get banned instead. Whatever.
AtlantisStar
OH comon! The Chinese Jihad Society of Berkeley. That's a joke. And a jihad is a religious struggle. Don't you go to Berkeley? You make it sound like some mercenary group to help someone to go into japan, before they're killed by a mob. icon_rolleyes.gif
huaren
AtlantisStar is famous for defending Japan if even Japan is wrong. So get used to it. I'm already get used to her.
AtlantisStar
See that's why I love huaren.
Men should be like Kleenex, soft, strong and disposable.
huaren
QUOTE
See that's why I love huaren.
Men should be like Kleenex, soft, strong and disposable.

Honestly AtlantisStar, when someone post something bad about Japan, you will defend Japan. I am proud of you. icon_wink.gif
AtlantisStar
Thank you kiss.gif
Xiao Rong Ji
QUOTE (AtlantisStar @ Mar 27 2004, 11:44 PM)
OH comon! The Chinese Jihad Society of Berkeley. That's a joke. And a jihad is a religious struggle. Don't you go to Berkeley? You make it sound like some mercenary group to help someone to go into japan, before they're killed by a mob. icon_rolleyes.gif

Hey, our society has many, many functions. Haven't you been reading my posts?
AtlantisStar
Some unfortunately. embarassedlaugh.gif
Ogumo
QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Mar 27 2004, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (LittleAnimeGirl @ Mar 26 2004, 09:45 PM)
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif  I may live their when I get fluent enough, and if I don't I'll be going their alot. I'm part Japanese but from a distance relavite so I guess I look more spanish I don't look japanese that much but for my eyes and my face can get really light and my hair is dark brown. I'm afraid they may shun me because I don't look so much like them, even though I'm part Japanese. Is it tru that the Japanese don't like forengers? And do you think they would shun me and be rude?

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.

Yes, it is very true. The Japanese are famous for their irrational, xenophobic racism. If you plan on going to Japan, I sincerely propose hiring a couple of body guards. You may be attacked by mobs of angry Japanese if they find out about your mixed racial heritage. But don't worry: The Chinese Jihad Society of Berkeley is offering bodyguard services, if you're interested. For only $150 per day, plus food and board, you get two highly qualified bodyguards armed in the ancient Chinese martial arts of as well as the Islamic martial art of suicide bombing (if things get real rough). PM me if you're interested.

Honestly xiao rong ji. Most likely nothing will happen to this girl even if japanese people "find out" that she is what ever it is that she is.
shiro
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Mar 28 2004, 01:53 AM)
QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Mar 27 2004, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (LittleAnimeGirl @ Mar 26 2004, 09:45 PM)
ppl were sayin that the Japanese are mean to forengers just cause they arn't Japanese. cry2.gif  I may live their when I get fluent enough, and if I don't I'll be going their alot. I'm part Japanese but from a distance relavite so I guess I look more spanish I don't look japanese that much but for my eyes and my face can get really light and my hair is dark brown. I'm afraid they may shun me because I don't look so much like them, even though I'm part Japanese. Is it tru that the Japanese don't like forengers? And do you think they would shun me and be rude?

P.S I'm not trying to be rude or ignerant, just tryin to get the facts straight. And I know not ALL Japanese r mean.

Yes, it is very true. The Japanese are famous for their irrational, xenophobic racism. If you plan on going to Japan, I sincerely propose hiring a couple of body guards. You may be attacked by mobs of angry Japanese if they find out about your mixed racial heritage. But don't worry: The Chinese Jihad Society of Berkeley is offering bodyguard services, if you're interested. For only $150 per day, plus food and board, you get two highly qualified bodyguards armed in the ancient Chinese martial arts of as well as the Islamic martial art of suicide bombing (if things get real rough). PM me if you're interested.

Honestly xiao rong ji. Most likely nothing will happen to this girl even if japanese people "find out" that she is what ever it is that she is.

c'mon ogumo, lighten up
that post was obviously a joke
beerchug.gif
Florenze
Japan is a xenophobic country and many Japanese are xenophobics.
Visiting Japan as a tourist and actually living there is very very different.
But Xiao Rong Ji's comments are way over the top.
He meant them as a joke? (I hope so)
shiro
I think the biggest reason people don't like Xiao, is that sarcasm doesn't work right when it's written

I think most of his posts are funny, but some go too far


QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Mar 27 2004, 11:34 PM)
For only $150 per day, plus food and board, you get two highly qualified bodyguards armed in the ancient Chinese martial arts of as well as the Islamic martial art of suicide bombing (if things get real rough).  PM me if you're interested.

you don't see the joke in that?
oni-mx
QUOTE (samat @ Mar 27 2004, 12:45 AM)
You think you can see all of Tokyo during trips?? icon_rolleyes.gif Not to mention, tokyo is just one city in japan..

I want to emphasize that my point wasn't to blame japan or anything like that. Most japanese I know acknowledge xenophobia and racism in Japan. It is the non-japanese who are in love with Japanese stuff that spouts crap about how much of a paradise Japan is.. Japan is no different from any other country, racism is everywhere. NO ONE can deny it

I have a Japan born korean friend whose father is Japanese and mother is korean. Eventhough his paternal root is Japanese, he still got "hijime" by kids at school. He got so sick of it, he opted to become a Korean instead. So now he talks and becomes a full blown korean. The stories he told of racism is Japan is just appaling.
Now he returns to live in Japan with his dad, if his dad isn't one of the richest real estate tycoon in Tokyo, he would have suffrered even more.

Visitors have no idea what's going on underneath all that proper and politeness.

Japanese is one of the most judgemental race in the world, a race full of perfectionists.
Digital Insanity
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Mar 26 2004, 09:55 PM)
There is racism in japan but I believe that it is over exaggerated.

The irony of it is that the West itself is open about its problems with racism and still fights it... :genius:

QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Mar 27 2004, 08:34 PM)
Yes, it is very true.  The Japanese are famous for their irrational, xenophobic racism.

Also, they dethroned the French as the most xenophobic people.
As in, Japan toppled France as the most xenophobic nation in the whole world by square mile, as told by my former world history teacher when I asked him so.

By the way, the French are still as xenophobic as ever. eek.gif

Ogumo, one MUST realize by now that Japanese politicians who are using xenophobia are the living reason why Japan, as of late, is the most xenophobic nation in the whole world RIGHT NOW. sure.gif
Ogumo
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 28 2004, 04:30 AM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Mar 26 2004, 09:55 PM)
There is racism in japan but I believe that it is over exaggerated.

The irony of it is that the West itself is open about its problems with racism and still fights it... :genius:

QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Mar 27 2004, 08:34 PM)
Yes, it is very true.  The Japanese are famous for their irrational, xenophobic racism.

Also, they dethroned the French as the most xenophobic people.
As in, Japan toppled France as the most xenophobic nation in the whole world by square mile, as told by my former world history teacher when I asked him so.

By the way, the French are still as xenophobic as ever. eek.gif

Ogumo, one MUST realize by now that Japanese politicians who are using xenophobia are the living reason why Japan, as of late, is the most xenophobic nation in the whole world RIGHT NOW. sure.gif

I disagree about japan being the "most" xenophobic nation. I believe that it is one of the most xenophobic though. I think it is either russia or isreal that is the most xenophobic. I believe even france had a politician that was very xenophobic.
AtlantisStar
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Mar 28 2004, 01:17 PM)
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 28 2004, 04:30 AM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Mar 26 2004, 09:55 PM)
There is racism in japan but I believe that it is over exaggerated.

The irony of it is that the West itself is open about its problems with racism and still fights it... :genius:

QUOTE (Xiao Rong Ji @ Mar 27 2004, 08:34 PM)
Yes, it is very true.  The Japanese are famous for their irrational, xenophobic racism.

Also, they dethroned the French as the most xenophobic people.
As in, Japan toppled France as the most xenophobic nation in the whole world by square mile, as told by my former world history teacher when I asked him so.

By the way, the French are still as xenophobic as ever. eek.gif

Ogumo, one MUST realize by now that Japanese politicians who are using xenophobia are the living reason why Japan, as of late, is the most xenophobic nation in the whole world RIGHT NOW. sure.gif

I disagree about japan being the "most" xenophobic nation. I believe that it is one of the most xenophobic though. I think it is either russia or isreal that is the most xenophobic. I believe even france had a politician that was very xenophobic.

Japan's xenophobia is overrated IMO. Personally france gets TONS of tourists and visitors and business travelers, I don't understand why they should be so xenophobic, which they are IMO.
Digital Insanity
QUOTE (AtlantisStar @ Mar 28 2004, 07:59 PM)
Japan's xenophobia is overrated IMO. Personally france gets TONS of tourists and visitors and business travelers, I don't understand why they should be so xenophobic, which they are IMO.

AtlantisStar, the only reason why I say the French are xenophobic because of the fact that they feel that French should be spoken everywhere and their attitudes towards the Yankees (Americans). :genius:

By the way, according to a poll conducted by the BBC, France turned out to be the most xenophobic in Europe, and according to Ogumo, it even as openly xenophobic polticians.

Ogumo, if Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world, would it be the most xenophobic one throughout Asia? If so, isn't it that Japan has openly xenophobic politicians? Name them for me. icon_confused.gif
AtlantisStar
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 28 2004, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (AtlantisStar @ Mar 28 2004, 07:59 PM)
Japan's xenophobia is overrated IMO. Personally france gets TONS of tourists and visitors and business travelers, I don't understand why they should be so xenophobic, which they are IMO.

AtlantisStar, the only reason why I say the French are xenophobic because of the fact that they feel that French should be spoken everywhere and their attitudes towards the Yankees (Americans). :genius:

By the way, according to a poll conducted by the BBC, France turned out to be the most xenophobic in Europe, and according to Ogumo, it even as openly xenophobic polticians.

Ogumo, if Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world, would it be the most xenophobic one throughout Asia? If so, isn't it that Japan has openly xenophobic politicians? Name them for me. icon_confused.gif

Lol DI, I never denied it, I go to france sometimes, I speak french.
Kulong
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 28 2004, 10:34 PM)
Ogumo, if Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world, would it be the most xenophobic one throughout Asia? If so, isn't it that Japan has openly xenophobic politicians? Name them for me. icon_confused.gif

Tokyo's mayor is known for his xenophobic and racist views.
fk650
QUOTE (Kulong @ Mar 29 2004, 04:01 PM)
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 28 2004, 10:34 PM)
Ogumo, if Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world, would it be the most xenophobic one throughout Asia?  If so, isn't it that Japan has openly xenophobic politicians?  Name them for me.  icon_confused.gif

Tokyo's mayor is known for his xenophobic and racist views.

Yep. Shintaro Ishihara. Xenophobe no. 1.
Rad Raz
he would probably commit a suicide if he finds out there's a chinese blood within him.
Ogumo
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Mar 28 2004, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (AtlantisStar @ Mar 28 2004, 07:59 PM)
Japan's xenophobia is overrated IMO. Personally france gets TONS of tourists and visitors and business travelers, I don't understand why they should be so xenophobic, which they are IMO.

AtlantisStar, the only reason why I say the French are xenophobic because of the fact that they feel that French should be spoken everywhere and their attitudes towards the Yankees (Americans). :genius:

By the way, according to a poll conducted by the BBC, France turned out to be the most xenophobic in Europe, and according to Ogumo, it even as openly xenophobic polticians.

Ogumo, if Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world, would it be the most xenophobic one throughout Asia? If so, isn't it that Japan has openly xenophobic politicians? Name them for me. icon_confused.gif

Ogumo, if Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries in the world, would it be the most xenophobic one throughout Asia? If so, isn't it that Japan has openly xenophobic politicians? Name them for me. icon_confused.gif

Argueable. It is between japan and korea. I dont know exactly how xenophobic china really is...though I have heard stories.

As for some names. Ishihara is was the name that went into everyones head I am sure. He is really the only one currently. Though koizumi comes close with his ignorant and naive comments like. "Why are you chinese so angry with me?"
fk650
Chinese are not generally xenophobic, at least nowhere close to Koreans and Japanese. A large part of this reason is that China is relatively very diverse. Not even including the many minority groups which range from racial phenotypes from Caucasians to Malays. But even amongst Hans, regional differences are so great, they actually are equivalent to ethnic differences in Europe.

Also, you will never see signs such as ONLY CHINESE ALLOWED in China. This is not even an occurence or reality.

An ethnic Korean who grows up in China will likely identify with being Chinese, because he will not be treated any differently. Foreigners who speak Chinese are treated and welcomed very warmly in China. Chinese have always been culturalists, and have not cared too much about genetic or racial background. That is why China was able to absorb so many different peoples and sinicize them.
shiro
QUOTE (fk650 @ Mar 30 2004, 01:53 PM)
Chinese have always been culturalists, and have not cared too much about genetic or racial background.

except for Huaren
AtlantisStar
Chinese people love other cultures within China, like someone from beijing met with someone from qurumqi, they'd be friends quite well even though they're on the opposite sides of china.

But chinese people I know are stereotypical of non-chinese people. The chinese love to make generalizations of other races/groups.
fk650
QUOTE (AtlantisStar @ Mar 30 2004, 09:29 PM)
Chinese people love other cultures within China, like someone from beijing met with someone from qurumqi, they'd be friends quite well even though they're on the opposite sides of china.

But chinese people I know are stereotypical of non-chinese people. The chinese love to make generalizations of other races/groups.

It is only natural that generalizations and stereotypes exist about outsiders in every society.

However, Chinese stereotyping is nothing compared to Japanese racism and xenophobia. Take the half-Korean child as an example. If he was half-Chinese and grew up in China, he'd like come to identify as Chinese very strongly because he would not recieve any discrimination. I am 110% sure about that.
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