After reading how upsetting many Chinese find Japan`s pm visits to the shrine with war criminals names on it has lead me to wondering how Vietnemse feel about those walls of remeberence America has to its fallen in vietnam.

There is a good likelyhood that many off those whose names are on that wall likely commited atrocities in vietnam, so how do Vietnamese people feel about those walls honering Americas war dead from its war in nam?

^^ Most people really don't mind. Vietnamese people in general are looking forward more than looking in the past.

Why would Vietnamese even be upset at something like that? The American have the rights to honor their war deads just like any other nations out there.

Do you know that the survival of the My Lai massacre forgave those American who were involved in that horrible crime years ago. It tells you a lot about the character of the Vietnamese people.

The US has a wall honoring their Viet Nam War deads? Where?

Washinton DC...where else?

Wouldn`t Vietnamese be upset about an American solider who had been part of killing innocent Vietnamese civilians being honored?

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This is a complex question...

China was a big country which was occupied by a smaller country, after she had been occupied by many more industrially advanced powers. The national resentment is still high.

Vietnam was occupied and bullied by a supposedly most advanced superpower and yet finally she won her long independence war.

Philisophically, when someone is dead, any resentment against him dies with him. What's more, when someone is put in a situation that he can kill, rape, massacre at will, that's what he will do.

The Vietnamese still don't understand very well the motives of the successive US governments in aggressing Vietnam, why the gratuitous and massive violences? Why all the lies?

Let's say that if Vietnam has pardoned her own traitors (...) she can also pardon their former ennemy's dead bodies.

Buddhism doctrine is, that if a criminal can walk back the path and repent, all his crimes can be pardoned.

Some people will be upset ,some will be happy, some don't give a damn, and some just want to move on, it depends on who you ask.

Are you kidding us? Foolish Johannjs and now you, Nakata, do you guys know your Communist Party leader really wants to kiss uncle Sam's @$$ to get aids and more businesses for Vietnam? You guys sure don't have a brain!!!

No because that's their rights.

The Americans know what they did, they know what they were. This is more their moral problem than it could be a Vietnamese concern.

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My communist leader? and whats foolish? I am not making any statements just asking a question of those in a position to answer.

The wall was designed by Maya Lin, A Chinese American.

May I ask you, Nakata (you are probably a Japanese member?),

What are your feelings about the Japanese occupying, bullying, raping and massacring the Chinese during the war?

Would that make any difference to wether it was offensive or upsetting or not?


I am Japanese American 4th gen (full bloodied ethnic Japanese whose family have lived in America for 4 gens) which means any direct relatives off mine would have been in American internment camps and would have most likely fought against imperial Japan during world war 2 if not for that.

But to answer your question what Japan did to China during WW2 was evil and disgusting.

The reason for this question is all the talk about shrine visits lead me to wonder about those walls of remeberence since I imagine if I was vietnamese I would see those walls in the same light as Chinese see the shrine.

So I figured better to get the views off people who actually can speak for vietnamese feelings rather than guessing or imagining..okay?

The Japanese army was also in Vietnam, and they also did a lot of wrongs there... But the Vietnamese don't bear them any grudge today.

Because today's people are not yesterday's people.

Yes that makes sense not resenting Americans of today, but seeing a war criminal of any nation honered would seem wrong?

I suppose all dead must be honored. They do theirs.

We do ours.

The Koreans seem to be more angry.

Maybe that's because the Japanese occupied Korea a lot longer than they did to Vietnam ?

Koreans are more angry?

Are Koreans the angry kind?

Koreans = anti Japanese

Oh yeah at mainland Japan .. I thought you meant at the US....don`t know if they can be classed as more angry at Japan than the Chinese are though!

Ya remember those anti-Japanese riots a few months back in China??? crazy...

Yeah but I can understand the reasoning just not some of the extremes... I guess I find Veitnams forgivness of the US harder to relate too when it comes to the remeberence walls, but I guess there can be a lot to be said for their moving on attitude??

I think most people generally want to go on with their lives. Remembering the past is encouragable and healty but living in it or obsessing over it is not.

Yeah but in fairness its the attitude of a lot of mainland Japanese that keep the past as the present.

I don't know how you put up with all the anti-Japanese crap on this forum.

How did you get the conclusion that those riots were raised by living in the past?

When did I say they were

If you want to understand, you have to translate "living in the present, not in the past" into "caring for the living is more important".

After all, Americans are left with their crazy memories of what [many of] their dead people were up to, when they were in Vietnam. That's not at all a concern to Vietnamese that the Americans honored all their "heroes"...

As I said, THEY KNOW what they did, and what they were.

The rest is up to THEM.

In the end, only the truth matters. Nobody can think one fraction of a second that the American people could be proud of their actions [mechanical genocide] in Vietnam.

I have German friends, and they still feel ashamed of their nazi past. Same thing goes for America. History don't go away. Honor or Dishonor is engraved in History, and that is for ever.

I guess That being 4th gen Japanese American (full ethnic Japanese but 4 generations of my family living in America so nothing to do with imperial Japan) makes me feel somewhat removed from it.
But a lot of it does get on my nerves not so much the stuff about the shrine but the downright dumb stuff like all Japanese being femine or the stuff that is obvious all out hate for Japanese as an ethnic group rather than stuff that is directed at the way mainland Japanese are acting today.
But I guess like you with the anti Black stuff on here I just learn to rise above it.

I am a Vietnamese who lived in North Vietnam in Vietnam war.
I am now living in the US, and I am a US citizen by natulization.
Many of my relatives, friends, and neighbors died because of the war.
The town I lived, the town my family lived, and the town I was born in
were bombed during the Christmas Bombing Campain in Dec. 1972.

I do not care about the wall with names on it, but I care about the
US bombing people in other countries as it has done to the
Japanese in 1945, with 2 H bombs in Hirosima and Nagasaki.

I am fighting to prevent the nam list from growing longer.

wise thinking..

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Japan occupied and controlled Korea and China. Even at that point they commited atrocities. Not war atrocities, but just plain atrocities. The US came to Vietnam with their own motives, but also on the behalf of the Vietnamese - perhaps a minority of Vietnamese. Some of these people even later taking refuge from Vietnam to go to America. Did we commit atrocities? Sure we did. Did the Vietnamese commit atrocities? Sure they did. But it's a poor attempt to compare this to what the Japanese did.

I am not so much but I could imagine some Vietnamese feeling pissed to see someone who commited war crimes against Vietnamese honered as well but apparently they don`t

1. Like most of the people who visit the shrines everywhere in the world, the American families who visit the wall are no warmongers. They only want to remember somebody.

2. This wall also has another meaning that you don't see to grasp: "This shall never happen again".

Well like Johannj's said, nobody here in the States looks at that wall and goes, "Hell yeah, and I'd do it again." You seem to lack a sense of the Wall means and what the Vietnam War means to the average American. The soldiers that came back from that war were treated like $hit. Nobody wanted to remember it. The big difference is that shrine seems to go, "God I wish we could relive those good old days when Japan was of it's former glory."

The differences between Vietnamese and Chinese & Korean were because Viet is a winner, they kicked American out of the country so they felt so proud of that. It does will be a different story if Vietnam loses in this war. On the other hand, Chinese & Korean weren’t kicked the Japanese out, it was American that save their asses, that’s why they till hold grudge towards the Japanese. For instance, let's say would you still mad after you beat the crap out of someone? I guess no right?

From what I see, the Vietnamese people bite but they don’t bark while the Chinese bark but they don’t bite.

For the time being the Vietnamese people focusing on something more importance than this that’s what the country should do

Looks like they really hate Japan.

lol your english is soooo baddddd. added to that your stupidity. viets fought on both sides of the war idiot. it wasnt clear cut ethnicities like chinese and japanese. plus america didnt kick the japanese out of china, chinese did. with inferior military mind you. whereas in the vietnam war, both sides of viets had help. as a matter of fact, China helped the north, who won btw.

I believe the West with its democracy has more respectful in their soldiers
by collecting MIA and setup monument wall, this is totally differ with De Communist Bastard, Commies did not care who else beside their fatty opium
leadersa like Kim DUng il, Mao Tea Tung )))) or Stalin

WHY COMMUNIST always ask the WEST TO HELP THEM ????

Blood suckers

i respect those viets who brave to die for their nation,they were manly and big in battlefield.but here we need to make clear that China did win the war against Japan in WW2 and Japanese only defeated part of Chinese army in part of China.but they never conquered us.

LOL…This FOB is funny, he thinks his English is perfect when in fact his English skill is extremely horrible. Most of the time I have no idea what the hell he’s talking about LOL

Get real dawg! The Chinese didn’t kick the j@p out. It was American du*b @$$

Well of course Koizumi also claims his shrine visits are of a similar nature.
As for 2. It doesn`t seem like America has that attitude its often gone to war since nam.