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BigBenChow
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1122/p01s04-woap.html

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Tokyo teacher embattled over war history

City official said Japan never invaded Korea. Teacher demurs.

By Robert Marquand | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

TOKYO – Miyako Masuda is a 23-year veteran of public schools here. Like many Japanese history teachers of her generation, she dislikes new textbooks that frame Japan as the victim in World War II. It bothers her that books claiming America caused the war are now adopted by an entire city ward. In fact, Masuda disapproves of the whole nationalist direction of Tokyo public schools.
Yet until last year, Masuda, who calls herself "pretty ordinary," rarely went out of her way to disagree. Few teachers do.

But when a Tokyo city councilman in an official meeting said "Japan never invaded Korea," icon_rolleyes.gif  her history class sent an apology to Korean President Roh Moo-hyan - an action that sparked her removal from her classroom.

The war history dispute in Asia is now so front-and-center that appears it was cited by South Korea as a reason to avoid an upcoming December visit to Japan by Mr. Roh. Alongside the diplomatic row, the Masuda case shows how nationalist policies are creeping into the minutiae of daily life in Japan's capital city.

Masuda, who says her two sons have Korean friends, got censured after her class did a study group on Japan's occupation of Korea. Her social studies class wrote a letter of apology to Roh, and sent it to the Korean Embassy in Toyko. In a cover letter, Masuda said that councilman Koga Toshiaki's remarks were "a disgrace" by objective historical standards, but "regrettably [they] can be presented proudly as a triumph in the assembly of Tokyo, the capital of this country."

The class never heard from the Korean consul. But Masuda did hear from the Tokyo Board of Education. Her letter was discovered by a Yasukuni shrine support group and they complained to city officials. Masuda was told that while Mr. Koga did speak in public, it was "inappropriate" for Masuda to repeat his name in a letter that was not private, and a violation of city employee codes.

Masuda is now ordered to spend her days in a small room studying public servant regulations, a serious humiliation she says. She in turn is trying to fight in court.

Masuda's experience shows the growing power of Japanese nationalists, and their grass-roots influence in Tokyo, analysts say.

For example, last month Japanese leader Junichiro Koizumi positioned his ultranationalist protégé Shinzo Abe to be his successor, after Mr. Koizumi steps down in September. Mr. Abe, like Tokyo's hugely popular Mayor Ishihara, is a fan of the Tsukuru-Kai history textbooks that seek to restore a proud Japan by rewriting the past. Mr. Ishihara, for his part, directly appoints all six Tokyo school board members.

Tokyo schools reflect nationalist views: children pledging allegiance to the emperor as in the 1930s, school board members supporting Yasakuni shrine visits, and curriculums failing to mention Japan's invasion of Korea or China. icon_rolleyes.gif

Masuda, for her part, insists it is wrong to teach untruths to students, for any reason.

"I feel it is my job to tell the truth, it is what I spend my life doing," she told the Monitor. "When something looks crooked I don't like it. I feel I want to make it straight. If you are straight it is better for everyone.

"I explain and teach the past. But I am now suspended as a history teacher for doing that, even though they say it is for administrative discipline."

In an interview, Masuda reads out the words of the Tokyo city council member from the official transcript: "It is not proper to describe a war of aggression by Japan. Where and when in the world did Japan ever invade? I'd like to ask, once and for all, when where and which country...."

At the APEC summit in South Korea last week, it was unclear whether Koizumi and Roh would even meet on the sidelines. The Korean president told Mr. Koizumi outright that his visits to the Yasakuni shrine, and the Tsukuru-Kai texts, were "provocative." Koizumi tried to say his visits to the shrine, where the remains of Class A war criminals are housed, symbolized the idea of never going to war again. Roh, according to Asahi Shimbun, told Koizumi, "No matter how positively we interpret your feelings, the people of South Korea will never accept it."

Masuda says some fellow teachers supported her at first in her current ordeal, but have since stopped. They fear of their own status in the school. Masuda now must report to the Tokyo Metropolitan School Personnel In-service Training Center, a place she describes in Kafkaesque terms.

Masuda seems a little stubborn, a little leftist, but a stickler for details in the way of junior high teachers around the world. She brightens immediately when the subject turns to teaching. She is proud her classes are not rote memory exercises typical in Japanese public schools. She requires "Discussion Papers" where students have to show how they arrive at conclusions. Papers deal with topics like Hiroshima and Iraq. Last year she showed her class a television documentary put out by Japanese national TV on Korean comfort women- how the Japanese government in the war had sent orders for brothels to be built in China with women dragooned to work there from all over Asia.

Currently, teachers that stress Japan's responsibility for wartime aggression are increasingly framed in Tokyo as "Marxists" living in the past.

Masuda's case has been picked up as a case of simple slander by the Tokyo media. A Japanese journalist with extensive experience points out that the Tokyo Asahi ran an item saying that Masuda was suspended for slandering the government officials and the publisher of the textbook.

The Asahi reporter sourced the story to the Tokyo Board of Education. Masuda's friends and fellow teachers protested to the Asahi reporter. They said the story was inaccurate, and that Masuda should have been talked to for balance.

So the Asahi reporter went back to the Board of Education and asked if his story was correct. They told him yes, his story was correct.
Jasel
That's so retarded. Why don't they just admit. They look like a bunch of morons.
RentonWong
They should have nuked Tokyo and Taiwan in the war.

Why Taiwan? Because that way, the Nationalists would have never taken the island, which would pleased the Neon Taiwanese and Japan will never get to reclaim loyalty from their slaves.
UntiedState
Stupid government... it's time for a regime change!
RentonWong
A nuke is a good start
UntiedState
Nukes take out too many innocents. Just like nukes are not suitable for any other nation, China, US, ect.
Col
Take out the damn extremists, every single damn on of those scums, Rainbow 6 style >:D
RentonWong
Tango Down!
Suijen
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea? What a joke! Who comes up with this bs?
UntiedState
Japan invaded Korea the same way the US invaded Persia (now Iran). The Japanese military installed a puppet leader that did everything Japan wanted including handing most resources to Japan. Note how the US hates Iran still because they kicked out the American installed Shah, same with hating Cuba for kicking out Batista. Governments all seem so stupid.
chilli21
QUOTE (UntiedState @ Nov 22 2005, 11:57 PM)
Stupid government... it's time for a regime change!
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it's not easy. the extreme right-wing party has companies to back them up but most importantly, public and the US supports.
RentonWong
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
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They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
funkycoldmedina
QUOTE (Jasel @ Nov 21 2005, 10:30 PM)
That's so retarded. Why don't they just admit. They look like a bunch of morons.
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But it's worse than simply looking moronic isn't it? i mean if past wrongs are ignored, ultra-nationalism is promoted and reverence is being paid to the symbol of wartime aggression......that doesn't bode well for anyone.
Drowned in a sea of Soju
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 22 2005, 12:56 PM)
They should have nuked Tokyo and Taiwan in the war.

Why Taiwan? Because that way, the Nationalists would have never taken the island, which would pleased the Neon Taiwanese and Japan will never get to reclaim loyalty from their slaves.
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In addition to being an ultra anti-communist millitary state from the start, the taiwanese hatred toward chinese(not just the mainland) is probably also a result of what the chinese did to the natives in the past(remember the 2.28 massacure?) Although I have nothing supportative to say about the taiwanese right-wing group(in fact, I hate right-wings in general), I think there should be more thought put in the criticism if you really want to get rid of them.
chilli21
QUOTE (Drowned in a sea of Soju @ Nov 26 2005, 12:16 AM)
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 22 2005, 12:56 PM)
They should have nuked Tokyo and Taiwan in the war.

Why Taiwan? Because that way, the Nationalists would have never taken the island, which would pleased the Neon Taiwanese and Japan will never get to reclaim loyalty from their slaves.
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In addition to being an ultra anti-communist millitary state from the start, the taiwanese hatred toward chinese(not just the mainland).
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i don't think HKers have anything to with taiwanese. sure.gif
kyo35
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 25 2005, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
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They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
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Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence.
kunomchu
QUOTE (kyo35 @ Nov 27 2005, 05:03 AM)
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 25 2005, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
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They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
*


Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence.
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that is unfortunate. sure.gif


Whatever goes around comes around icon_twisted.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_twisted.gif
shashoujian
QUOTE (kyo35 @ Nov 27 2005, 05:03 AM)
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 25 2005, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
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They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
*


Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence.
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And Japan never got nuked.
education
"Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence. "


^This response is so heartless, wrong, immoral, and ignorant in so many ways I don't even know how to respond. Your exactly the reason why I still continue to view some japanese people in a negative light. Your the epitome of ignorance and stupidity. How dare you say that when I personally had relatives and loved ones on both my dad and moms side who died brutally at the hands of those savages you call japanese. Don't ever let me find out who you are you little dog f*cker I swear to god I'll show your a** no mercy
chilli21
QUOTE (kyo35 @ Nov 27 2005, 09:03 PM)
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 25 2005, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
*


They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
*


Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence.
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study more. if u don't believe us, u should do more research deeply to find out the truth, don't just sit in front of the computer denying the past coz to me, only a hypocrite will deny history.
Mid-Night_Sun
lol kyo the lil bytch talks shyt over the net, but wouldnt have the BALLZ to say anything to peoples faces. i think his family should get raped.
Nakata
QUOTE (kyo35 @ Nov 27 2005, 05:03 AM)
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 25 2005, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
*


They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
*


Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence.
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Oh yeah your the type that makes me understand why the Chinese hate Japanese mainlanders so damn much!
Then again I guess if you live in a place were phony history is created ignorance is too be expected..sad really sad
RentonWong
QUOTE (kyo35 @ Nov 27 2005, 05:03 AM)
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 25 2005, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
*


They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
*


Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence.
*



Yes, Japanese love America so much they wanted to be atomized. Sadly they only atomize two cities and I feel sorry that Japanese did not get their love returned in full by Americans.

Maybe in the future China will help return America's love to all of Japan! embarassedlaugh.gif2

Also, Japaense schoolgirl enjoyed being raped by Japanese salarimen because it is your culture. Besides most of these rapes are consentual so it is not really a rape. biggthumpup.gif
Takashi
QUOTE (kyo35 @ Nov 27 2005, 10:03 AM)
QUOTE (RentonWong @ Nov 25 2005, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (Suijen @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 PM)
lol, Japan didn't invade Korea?  What a joke!  Who comes up with this bs?
*


They also claimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened. However, Taiwanese actually agree that Japanese rule was Good! embarassedlaugh.gif2
*


Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence.
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Idiot Talktohand.gif
korean_turtle87
QUOTE (education @ Nov 27 2005, 03:33 PM) *
"Yes. I deny the rape of Nanking ,too.
Because, there are no evedence. "
^This response is so heartless, wrong, immoral, and ignorant in so many ways I don't even know how to respond. Your exactly the reason why I still continue to view some japanese people in a negative light. Your the epitome of ignorance and stupidity. How dare you say that when I personally had relatives and loved ones on both my dad and moms side who died brutally at the hands of those savages you call japanese. Don't ever let me find out who you are you little dog f*cker I swear to god I'll show your a** no mercy
i have a japanese friend who thinks Nanking is fake. i wonder if she's seen the pics or not. denying nanking should be illegal like denying the holocaust
MightyCrown
In fact most japanese people do know and do believe that japanese attacked china and colonized korea. Because these historical facts are indeed included in japanese high school textbooks. Those notorious incidents reported in overseas media are just about a very small minority of textbooks made by nationalistic presses, these reports are overblown to make it look like its the whole country, when in fact it is not.

The fact of the matter is, the japanese education system (not the ministry of education) and the japanese teachers unions are from strong socialist political roots. So they are very strong in maintaining the truth about japanese imperialism. All japanese students who had a decent and legitimate education, the vast majority, are very aware of the history of japanese imperialism, and very do remember the japanese agression against its asian neigbors. ie Nankin Massacre, colonization of korea, etc. These are covered in history classes in japanese high schools.

Those notorious textbooks are just a small fraction and actually do NOT represent normal japanese education curriculum. They are abnormal cases. and the vast majority of japanese do not have any connection to them.
vacuous
The whole hype over Japan is churned out by the chinese propaganda machine to keep its citizens attention and anger diverted away from the growing inequality and corruption at home.
Jarhier
QUOTE (MightyCrown @ Mar 17 2006, 11:50 AM) *
In fact most japanese people do know and do believe that japanese attacked china and colonized korea. Because these historical facts are indeed included in japanese high school textbooks. Those notorious incidents reported in overseas media are just about a very small minority of textbooks made by nationalistic presses, these reports are overblown to make it look like its the whole country, when in fact it is not.

The fact of the matter is, the japanese education system (not the ministry of education) and the japanese teachers unions are from strong socialist political roots. So they are very strong in maintaining the truth about japanese imperialism. All japanese students who had a decent and legitimate education, the vast majority, are very aware of the history of japanese imperialism, and very do remember the japanese agression against its asian neigbors. ie Nankin Massacre, colonization of korea, etc. These are covered in history classes in japanese high schools.

Those notorious textbooks are just a small fraction and actually do NOT represent normal japanese education curriculum. They are abnormal cases. and the vast majority of japanese do not have any connection to them.


do you live in japan?
MightyCrown
yes. how about you?
Jarhier
QUOTE (MightyCrown @ Mar 17 2006, 07:05 PM) *
yes. how about you?


oh ok. i was just wondering because you seemed to be much detailed about japanese stuff in just several posts more than other ppl that posts in jchat regularly embarassedlaugh.gif

i live in states
Takashi
QUOTE (MightyCrown @ Mar 17 2006, 05:50 PM) *
In fact most japanese people do know and do believe that japanese attacked china and colonized korea. Because these historical facts are indeed included in japanese high school textbooks. Those notorious incidents reported in overseas media are just about a very small minority of textbooks made by nationalistic presses, these reports are overblown to make it look like its the whole country, when in fact it is not.

The fact of the matter is, the japanese education system (not the ministry of education) and the japanese teachers unions are from strong socialist political roots. So they are very strong in maintaining the truth about japanese imperialism. All japanese students who had a decent and legitimate education, the vast majority, are very aware of the history of japanese imperialism, and very do remember the japanese agression against its asian neigbors. ie Nankin Massacre, colonization of korea, etc. These are covered in history classes in japanese high schools.

Those notorious textbooks are just a small fraction and actually do NOT represent normal japanese education curriculum. They are abnormal cases. and the vast majority of japanese do not have any connection to them.

Thankfully this is like a summary of our past arguments so all the trolls can read it and stfu.
guerilla2
QUOTE (Takashi @ Mar 18 2006, 03:47 AM) *
Thankfully this is like a summary of our past arguments so all the trolls can read it and stfu.


go get some friends loser....
chilli21
QUOTE (vacuous @ Mar 18 2006, 10:34 AM) *
The whole hype over Japan is churned out by the chinese propaganda machine to keep its citizens attention and anger diverted away from the growing inequality and corruption at home.


there's no for propaganda and those right-winged movements are not propaganda. the recent achievements made by the ccp are enough to divert the people's attentions away from weakness at home.
Takashi
QUOTE (guerilla2 @ Mar 18 2006, 09:03 AM) *
go get some friends loser....

lol dumb troll
Jaimu-Jaimu
QUOTE (korean_turtle87 @ Mar 15 2006, 06:18 PM) *
denying nanking should be illegal like denying the holocaust


Agreed 100%.
korean_turtle87
QUOTE (Jaimu-Jaimu @ Mar 18 2006, 01:38 AM) *
Agreed 100%.

worse part is, its the politicians denying it. I guess we know that the Japanese government hasen't changed much since then.
MightyCrown
I understand that some people overseas want to make the right wing ideas illegal because they dont like. But please understand that in Japan the freedom of speech is a very well respect right. In Japan everyone allows everyone to say and think whatever they like openly. The reason the right wing is permitted, because they DONT want to be like right wing. Please understand that after the war, there was a strong desire to discredit imperialism and oppose imperialist ideology. This includes against official censorship, because this reminds everyone of the oppressive militaristic government in the imperial period that had a harsh censorship and made ideas illegal. They imprisoned or killed the peaceful and socialist Japanese that disagreed with them. That is why all ideas are allowed in Japan including radical right wing ideas, because it is a democratic country that guarantees freedom of ideas, even those radical ideas are rejected by the majority of people.

About Nankin massace, vast majority of Japanese does NOT denies it happened because it is undeniable historical fact agreed by the world. It definitely DID happened. In fact even right wing people said the Nankin masscare did happen. But some right wing people said the reports by the Chinese are greatly over exaggerated for propaganda reasons, and they wrote books about this. But there are also Japanese who wrote books to criticize and oppose the radical right wing ideas. Also remember the Japanese socialist and communists, the ethnic Chinese and Korean groups inside Japan, they are all free to openly and harshly criticize the government, and they do. So everybody in Japan has freedom of speech and ideas. Japan is not authoritarian oppressive government, it is a liberal democracy.
tinman01
Someone earlier said it best> If only the Japanese government would just admit to its guilt and appologize. Almost everyone knows that when Japan makes an apology its taken very seriously. Japan is also known for its ability to accept an appology. Its true that the Japan of today is a very different Japan from WWII. But I think its obvious that there can not be peace until Japan owns up to its past.
Takashi
Considering the number of apologies theyve made an official one doesnt seem to be on the horizon.
MightyCrown
Considering all the various apologies that have already been publicly made by Japanese officials, including official Heads of State from Emperor to Prime Ministers, since China and Japan re-established Post-war diplomatic relations decades ago, not to mention all the billions and billions of aid Japan has been pouring into China for decades, and keeps on pouring into China today, and will keep pouring into China in the forseeable future, plus decades of direct development assistance, technological assistance, infrastructure construction and human support that Japan has been giving to its friend and neighbor China for several decades, not to mention all the big generous scholarships from the Japanese Ministry of Education for Chinese and Korean students to study for free in Japan for the purpose of mutual understanding, exchange and knowledge, I dont know if the Chinese will ever be satisfied by another 10 more apologies, 10 trillion more in aid, 10 hundred more big scholarships and 10 thousand more development assistants. Im sure all the long Post-war history of Japanese helping Chinese will quickly be forgotten by Chinese propaganda as usual, and replaced by more of their nationalistic pride and Anti-Japanese racism.
korean_turtle87
i think Japan should do things to show that they're truely sorry. apologies are just words. compensation just means ur giving them money. Their textbooks will show if Japan has changed or not.
Suijen
How about an official apology?
Takashi
QUOTE (korean_turtle87 @ Mar 19 2006, 11:42 PM) *
i think Japan should do things to show that they're truely sorry. apologies are just words. compensation just means ur giving them money. Their textbooks will show if Japan has changed or not.

It wont, theyve been modifying textbooks since god knows when.
As for the specific ones that everyone complained about before, theyre not used in enough schools for people to give a $hit I dont think.
korean_turtle87
Japan needs to be more like Germany. Germany has won my respect because of their acts of repentance
Suijen
Germans have explosive gas.
tinman01
QUOTE (Suijen @ Mar 20 2006, 01:29 PM) *
Germans have explosive gas.

Yes its true. Its from all that viener snitchels and sourkrouts downed with awsome german brews.
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