Asia Finest Discussion Forum > Malay Muslims dont' respect other people

Wulandari

Oct 25 2005, 12:31 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4302368.stm

QUOTE

Bali suspects on most-wanted list

Two Malaysians being sought over the latest Bali bombings have been on the run for several years on suspicion of playing a role in some of Indonesia's worst attacks, including the 2002 Bali bombings.

Azahari Bin Husin and Noordin Mohamed Top have been named by Indonesia's counter-terrorism chief, Maj Gen Ansyaad Mbai, as the suspected masterminds of Saturday's suicide attacks.

Both are believed to be top leaders of Jemaah Islamiah (JI), the shadowy group said to have links with al-Qaeda.

Gen Mbai said the new bombings bore the hallmarks of JI, blamed for the blasts which killed 202 people in Bali's popular Kuta beach tourist area in October 2002.

Azahari Husin was named in court as a bomb-maker in those attacks by one of those eventually tried and convicted for them, while Noordin Top is thought to have helped finance them. Newspapers have dubbed the two men the "Demolition Man" and the "Money Man".

Both men have been named as suspects in two other attacks - one in 2003 on Jakarta's JW Marriott hotel which killed 12, and one on the Australian embassy in 2004 which killed 11.

'Bomb classes'

Azahari Husin, a trained engineer, once worked as a university lecturer in Malaysia and in 1990 he gained a doctorate in property valuation from the UK's University of Reading.

A married father-of-two in his late forties, he is said by some to be a fanatic, ready to die for his cause.

He is believed to have given bomb-making classes to JI militants, and to have issued precise instructions on how the massive car bomb used at the Sari club in Bali was to be manufactured.

He is also alleged to have been a key figure at the JI planning meeting which selected Bali as a target.

Both he and Noordin Top went to Indonesia after fleeing Malaysia when it cracked down on Islamists following the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US.

On the run

According to Australian terrorism expert Clive Williams, Noordin Top is believed to be JI's top recruiter.

A former accountant, in his late thirties, he got married in Indonesia using an assumed name, Abdurrachman Aufi.

His wife, Munfiatun, was jailed in June for concealing information about his whereabouts.

Indonesian police think they have come within minutes of catching Noordin Top and Azahari Husin on different occasions.

In October 2003, they mounted a major search operation in the city of Bandung after failing to catch them in a swoop on a house where bombs were discovered.

Both men escaped during the swoop as the authorities feared they would detonate explosives they were reportedly wearing.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/worl...fic/4302368.stm

Published: 2005/10/02 15:24:47 GMT

© BBC MMV

What did we do to you so you sent your people to blow up our people?

Why?

Bringer_Of_Death

Oct 25 2005, 12:55 AM

^ Good question. We don't, any malaysian who's a suspect of being a terrorist or giving aid to terrorist will immidiately be jailed.

Charges will not be pressed onto the suspect till proven guilty.
Once sentenced and depending on the weight of the crime the person will serve his years in prison.

Bodyslam

Oct 25 2005, 01:37 AM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 12:31 AM)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4302368.stm

What did we do to you so you sent your people to blow up our people?

Why?

Malaysia sent a terrorist to sabotage in my country too (Thailand). You can cal, this is a terrorist export nation. They did a covert support to terrorist. When we asked them. They will asked you for evidence. Most of terrorist in the soutern of Thailand. After they sabotaged my country. they go to hide in Malaysia. We didn't have evidence to prove because it is very difficult to gether evidence. But we know the terorist com from Malaysia and hide in Malasia. That area of Thailand close only Malaysia. The terrorist can not hide under the sea. they cann't hide in Thailand. They go to Malaysia.

We don't trust Malaysia as the past. They stabbed us from behind.

I believe this country is a Terrorist state and haboured the terrorist.

caramel

Oct 25 2005, 02:31 AM

Ya ya ya.

M'sia sends terrorists to sabotage everybody's country. I am sent to Australia to bomb Australia. The country exported me here so I can fulfill my mission and make my country proud as a terrorist nation. Ya, you don't need to ask evidence and you can say that we all are born and bred to be terrorists. The word "Innocent until proven Guilty" is rubbish because there is no need for evidence to prove that M'sia is a terrorist export nation because you believe we are. Ya, even the terrorist in Southern Thailand are M'sians. It is hard to get evidence because we are too rich and too smart and we are able to plan first class terrorism plan and we have too many underground buildings to hide in and to hide our terrorists. Even the KLCC is made to be that way. Ya, they all come to M'sia. Come terrorists.. I've got food, shelther and loads of loving to give you in M'sia. I stabbed all my friends from Thai and I plan to bomb them soon. I am gonna breed future terrorists and GO M'SIA.

You happy now Bodyslam? I had enough.

witchx

Oct 25 2005, 04:37 AM

lol @ caramel

wulandari : erm why are u thinking that malaysian don't respect other ppl? i take that u r from indonesia.... before you say anything bout the news and stuffs like that, try asking your own ppl why did the indonesian muslims kill the indonesian chineses during a recent massacre? gosh so thats respect?

lets see what have indonesia done for malaysia? i dont know much coz i live in australia for some time but providing HAZE? thats a good thing eh? thats what you call respect eh by torching your forests for PERSONAL uses? so giving malaysia haze is respect and gratitude?

I guess you should tell this to the malaysian government your opinion and ask them to stop providing job opportunities to the maid wannabes or current maids that are from indonesia... that might be nice as well

bodyslam : malaysia sent a terrorist to thailand? im sure the government of malaysia is nice enough to send some terrorists to thailand whereby they are so free to meddle with thailand's economy and whatever.... you didn have evidence to prove becoz there are no evidences that the malaysians are masterminds. but i am indeed happy if the malaysian is the mastermind coz it proves some stupidity in thailand's military intelligence

btw go malaysia's terrorists!

Bringer_Of_Death

Oct 25 2005, 04:40 AM

Well Bodyslam if you wanna proof who's superior you can start with yourself first.

What can you do so people can think of you as a great person?

Hmmn?

malaccan

Oct 25 2005, 04:44 AM

Ibu Wulandari, nice to see you here in the Malaysian section. Nothing better to do just now?

Interesting reception you had at our neighbouring sections, heck I bought your spin, being the trusting person that I am.

Salam muhibbah di bulan mulia.

ponpon

Oct 25 2005, 05:01 AM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 12:31 AM)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4302368.stm

QUOTE

Bali suspects on most-wanted list

Two Malaysians being sought over the latest Bali bombings have been on the run for several years on suspicion of playing a role in some of Indonesia's worst attacks, including the 2002 Bali bombings.

Azahari Bin Husin and Noordin Mohamed Top have been named by Indonesia's counter-terrorism chief, Maj Gen Ansyaad Mbai, as the suspected masterminds of Saturday's suicide attacks.

Both are believed to be top leaders of Jemaah Islamiah (JI), the shadowy group said to have links with al-Qaeda.

Gen Mbai said the new bombings bore the hallmarks of JI, blamed for the blasts which killed 202 people in Bali's popular Kuta beach tourist area in October 2002.

Azahari Husin was named in court as a bomb-maker in those attacks by one of those eventually tried and convicted for them, while Noordin Top is thought to have helped finance them. Newspapers have dubbed the two men the "Demolition Man" and the "Money Man".

Both men have been named as suspects in two other attacks - one in 2003 on Jakarta's JW Marriott hotel which killed 12, and one on the Australian embassy in 2004 which killed 11.

'Bomb classes'

Azahari Husin, a trained engineer, once worked as a university lecturer in Malaysia and in 1990 he gained a doctorate in property valuation from the UK's University of Reading.

A married father-of-two in his late forties, he is said by some to be a fanatic, ready to die for his cause.

He is believed to have given bomb-making classes to JI militants, and to have issued precise instructions on how the massive car bomb used at the Sari club in Bali was to be manufactured.

He is also alleged to have been a key figure at the JI planning meeting which selected Bali as a target.

Both he and Noordin Top went to Indonesia after fleeing Malaysia when it cracked down on Islamists following the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US.

On the run

According to Australian terrorism expert Clive Williams, Noordin Top is believed to be JI's top recruiter.

A former accountant, in his late thirties, he got married in Indonesia using an assumed name, Abdurrachman Aufi.

His wife, Munfiatun, was jailed in June for concealing information about his whereabouts.

Indonesian police think they have come within minutes of catching Noordin Top and Azahari Husin on different occasions.

In October 2003, they mounted a major search operation in the city of Bandung after failing to catch them in a swoop on a house where bombs were discovered.

Both men escaped during the swoop as the authorities feared they would detonate explosives they were reportedly wearing.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/worl...fic/4302368.stm

Published: 2005/10/02 15:24:47 GMT

© BBC MMV

What did we do to you so you sent your people to blow up our people?

Why?

Malay Muslims dont' respect other people??????

Hhmm a typical hypocrite javanese response as i expected.. (your name indicates you are one)

it seems that you are no different than any indo javanese i have met and spoken to,
1)Hypocrite
2)Take laws into their own hands (the overpowered and brutal TNI and the low quality indonesian PRs )
3)Disrepectful of other's culture (Suharto pointed out mahathir as a 'malay' who disrespected javanese culture in the 80s)
4)Regard the bahasa indonesa as nothing more but a mere tool to subjugate the various ethnics of indonesia.
5)Think malays as their brethrens but backstab them whenever possible.
6)Quick to play the 'malay race card' whenever it's beneficial (as demostrated by Your beloved vice president Yusof Kalla, even though he is a bugis as directed by SBY)
7)A 'Bully'

If it's true that these 2 malaysians that masterminded the recent bali's bombing, then let them rot in deepest pit of hell, otherwise you are bigoted fool and incapable of proper reasoning let alone posting on the internet.

Have you ever heard the word "Innocent until proven Guilty", eh? Never throw false accusations without proper evidences, or you will end up looking like a fool..damn right you r already a fool.

To be honest here, your post was not offensive or degrading in any way but it was the title of this topic that really gets on my nerves ..MALAY MUSLIMS..and by an indonesian that supposed to be our BROTHERS and SISTERS PFFFTTT!!!. This clearly reflects the way of javaneses thinking towards the malays particularly in malaysia... their true nature of hypocrisy is truly disturbing.

Words of advice to my malay brothers and sisters, don't be taken in by this javanese hypocrisy. Open up your eyes widely, from konfrantasi,acheh conflict, darul islam rebellion,ambalat issue etc. these javanese are so hell-bent on making malaysia a scapegoat (even worse than singapore). So choose your allies wisely.

purnomor

Oct 25 2005, 05:37 AM

err.. calm down ponpon

mbak wulandari here also tried to mess up indonesian chat as well, in fact he is a chinazi who supported illegal chinese fishermen stealing indonesian fish, i suspect he is a troll of an earlier chinese chauvinist, bangsationghoa.

his intentions here is to cause fraction and hatred between indonesians and malaysians. don't fall into this trap, he'll be laughing at you in front of his screen

Aroi

Oct 25 2005, 06:34 AM

QUOTE (caramel @ Oct 25 2005, 06:31 PM)

Ya ya ya.

M'sia sends terrorists to sabotage everybody's country. I am sent to Australia to bomb Australia. The country exported me here so I can fulfill my mission and make my country proud as a terrorist nation. Ya, you don't need to ask evidence and you can say that we all are born and bred to be terrorists. The word "Innocent until proven Guilty" is rubbish because there is no need for evidence to prove that M'sia is a terrorist export nation because you believe we are. Ya, even the terrorist in Southern Thailand are M'sians. It is hard to get evidence because we are too rich and too smart and we are able to plan first class terrorism plan and we have too many underground buildings to hide in and to hide our terrorists. Even the KLCC is made to be that way. Ya, they all come to M'sia. Come terrorists.. I've got food, shelther and loads of loving to give you in M'sia. I stabbed all my friends from Thai and I plan to bomb them soon. I am gonna breed future terrorists and GO M'SIA.

You happy now Bodyslam? I had enough.

hey calm down. i think they are refering to malay muslim not chinese malaysian. chinese malaysian would never do such a thing.

khtan2000

Oct 25 2005, 07:05 AM

QUOTE (Aroi @ Oct 25 2005, 10:34 PM)

hey calm down. i think they are refering to malay muslim not chinese malaysian. chinese malaysian would never do such a thing.

well, generally those fanatic dudes accuse malaysia is the root of all their problem..its kinda of insulting all malaysians

..because of a few bad seeds, the whole country gets blamed on, whose country doesnt have one? Not that we are supporting them in any ways and instead of stopping the problem at its roots, here ppl are busy b!tching each other whose the responsible one. No wonder we are still known as third world countries

caramel

Oct 25 2005, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (Aroi @ Oct 25 2005, 09:34 PM)

QUOTE (caramel @ Oct 25 2005, 06:31 PM)

Ya ya ya.

M'sia sends terrorists to sabotage everybody's country. I am sent to Australia to bomb Australia. The country exported me here so I can fulfill my mission and make my country proud as a terrorist nation. Ya, you don't need to ask evidence and you can say that we all are born and bred to be terrorists. The word "Innocent until proven Guilty" is rubbish because there is no need for evidence to prove that M'sia is a terrorist export nation because you believe we are. Ya, even the terrorist in Southern Thailand are M'sians. It is hard to get evidence because we are too rich and too smart and we are able to plan first class terrorism plan and we have too many underground buildings to hide in and to hide our terrorists. Even the KLCC is made to be that way. Ya, they all come to M'sia. Come terrorists.. I've got food, shelther and loads of loving to give you in M'sia. I stabbed all my friends from Thai and I plan to bomb them soon. I am gonna breed future terrorists and GO M'SIA.

You happy now Bodyslam? I had enough.

hey calm down. i think they are refering to malay muslim not chinese malaysian. chinese malaysian would never do such a thing.

Hi Aroi. Nice to meet you again. LOL. I am always calm. Hehe. Just that I wanted to put some sarcasm in there to satisfy our Bodyslam friend here. He or She would only be happy once M'sians admit that we are terrorists.

But as usual, I think the root of it all are the Muslim extremists.. not Malay Muslims, Chinese Muslims, Arabic Muslims, Indian Muslims etc. It wasn't about the topic, but it was just how Bodyslam responded to it. Cheers!!

Majapahitans

Oct 25 2005, 08:55 AM

It's not fair to blame Malaysia for Dr. Azahari and Noordin M. Top evil deed in Indonesia.

Although they are Malaysian citizen, they did not represent the whole nation of Malaysia.
The same way, if somebody says that Indonesian is suicidal terrorist, that'll make me soo mad that I wanna punch 'em in the nose....

I hope Oma Wulandari would not easily generalize Muslim Malaysians soo carelessly like that.

Indonesia and Malaysia should work together to bring these terrorist to justice.

For Malaysian friends.., don't worry, most Indonesian understand this terror issue and wouldn't blindly blame Malaysia, and even blame Muslim for heaven sake.

Maybe just a handfull like Wulandari thinks that way. And she spotlighted on Muslim too.

I bet she's not one.....

aaaw

Oct 25 2005, 08:58 AM

QUOTE (purnomor @ Oct 25 2005, 05:37 AM)

err.. calm down ponpon

mbak wulandari here also tried to mess up indonesian chat as well, in fact he is a chinazi who supported illegal chinese fishermen stealing indonesian fish, i suspect he is a troll of an earlier chinese chauvinist, bangsationghoa.

his intentions here is to cause fraction and hatred between indonesians and malaysians. don't fall into this trap, he'll be laughing at you in front of his screen

A Malyanazi, calling someone a chinazi, you one fu-ked up person.

rx7boy

Oct 25 2005, 10:39 AM

Yo people keep arguing in here... I support you all...seriously... because what?? because nobody will listen to you.. poor you... its only AsiaFinest.com.. not BBC, not Al-Jazeera, not a mass Media..

2

2 I'm laughing at all of you loudly reading you trying so hard to persuade people and give fact upon fact, bashing upon bashing.. at the end... what will you get?? MONEY?? NO!! POWER?? NO!! CHICKS?? NO!! ... haha.. one thing you will get for sure is a good laugh from me...

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2

yeah keep on bashing bebeh..

P/S: Are you feeling really silly right now after reading my post..

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Wulandari

Oct 25 2005, 10:44 AM

Calm down everybody..................

Let's talk like civilized people. Dont' use our emotions. It will become a mess.

**********

I should clarify something before continuing the discussion.

My writing is for MUSLIMS, not for all Malaysians.

If you are NON MUSLIMS, this writing is not for you. But, you can freely participate in this discussion.

Because I consider most Malays are Muslims, so I wrote "MALAY MUSLIMS" in the title.

It doesn't matter what your ethnicity is, as long as you are Muslims, you are the purpose of this writing. And vice versa.

********************

I understand that not all MALAY MUSLIMS are terrorist. It is impossible to generalize all of them as terrorists. I know that.

But !!!!!

It is Malaysian government and Malay Muslims who harbor and let those terrorist Muslims to freely move, breed, do what ever they want in Malaysia.

If those terrorist Muslims just do terrorist stuff in Malaysia, people won't care.

But, if those terrorist Malay Muslims blow up people in other countries, Malaysia government (controlled by MALAY MUSLIMS) MUST INDIRECTLY take the responsibility.

Without Malaysia government (controlled by MALAY MUSLIMS) support in Malaysia, those Malay Muslim terrorist will not have capabilities to do terrorist stuff in other countries.

And because Malay Muslims support Malaysia government (controlled by MALAY MUSLIMS), so Malay Muslim people MUST INDIRECTLY take the responsibility too if some of them do terrorist stuff in Indonesia, Philipine, Thailand and other countries

Does it make sense?

Wulandari

Oct 25 2005, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (rx7boy @ Oct 25 2005, 11:39 AM)

Yo people keep arguing in here... I support you all...seriously... because what?? because nobody will listen to you.. poor you... its only AsiaFinest.com.. not BBC, not Al-Jazeera, not a mass Media..

2

2 I'm laughing at all of you loudly reading you trying so hard to persuade people and give fact upon fact, bashing upon bashing.. at the end... what will you get?? MONEY?? NO!! POWER?? NO!! CHICKS?? NO!! ... haha.. one thing you will get for sure is a good laugh from me...

2

2

yeah keep on bashing bebeh..

P/S: Are you feeling really silly right now after reading my post..

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My dear boy,

Don't be too sensitive if people criticize Malay Muslims. Relax.......................

It is true that this forum is "just Asia Finest", not BBC, Al Jazeera, or CNN.

If it is BBC or CNN or Al Jazeera, they will not allow us to speak our minds. They are commercial news agencies. They have no time for us. But, this Asia Finest is not pure commercial news agencies like them. It is a place for all kinds of people to learn how to discuss all kinds of matters in civilized ways.

This is the purpose of this forum. Learn how to talk in civilized ways, without using emotions.

Once we can talk in civilized ways, we will be better persons

Trust me !!

rx7boy

Oct 25 2005, 11:31 AM

^ermmm.. I think you got the wrong people subjected that I'm not emotionally influenced by this thread.. you should talk to other people on this thread that keep on bashing about your opinion.. hehe.. I'm just laughing at it.. you try so hard..

and if Alien see all the bashing and hatred between humanity.. They will laugh out loud just like what I did when I see this thread..

if you powerful enough to influence people by making a "thread" like this to change the world into better place.. I will salute you..

PEACE!!

aaaw

Oct 25 2005, 11:52 AM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 10:50 AM)

QUOTE (rx7boy @ Oct 25 2005, 11:39 AM)

Yo people keep arguing in here... I support you all...seriously... because what?? because nobody will listen to you.. poor you... its only AsiaFinest.com.. not BBC, not Al-Jazeera, not a mass Media..

2

2 I'm laughing at all of you loudly reading you trying so hard to persuade people and give fact upon fact, bashing upon bashing.. at the end... what will you get?? MONEY?? NO!! POWER?? NO!! CHICKS?? NO!! ... haha.. one thing you will get for sure is a good laugh from me...

2

2

yeah keep on bashing bebeh..

P/S: Are you feeling really silly right now after reading my post..

2

My dear boy,

Don't be too sensitive if people criticize Malay Muslims. Relax.......................

It is true that this forum is "just Asia Finest", not BBC, Al Jazeera, or CNN.

If it is BBC or CNN or Al Jazeera, they will not allow us to speak our minds. They are commercial news agencies. They have no time for us. But, this Asia Finest is not pure commercial news agencies like them. It is a place for all kinds of people to learn how to discuss all kinds of matters in civilized ways.

This is the purpose of this forum. Learn how to talk in civilized ways, without using emotions.

Once we can talk in civilized ways, we will be better persons

Trust me !!

i'm not emotional. i deal with each poster on an individual basis. I know that Purmor is a right winged Malay/ Indonesiann . He posts extremely harsh words against other s in other threads.

I do not need to treat him with respect, and vice versa from him.

ponpon

Oct 25 2005, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 10:50 AM)

QUOTE (rx7boy @ Oct 25 2005, 11:39 AM)

Yo people keep arguing in here... I support you all...seriously... because what?? because nobody will listen to you.. poor you... its only AsiaFinest.com.. not BBC, not Al-Jazeera, not a mass Media..

2

2 I'm laughing at all of you loudly reading you trying so hard to persuade people and give fact upon fact, bashing upon bashing.. at the end... what will you get?? MONEY?? NO!! POWER?? NO!! CHICKS?? NO!! ... haha.. one thing you will get for sure is a good laugh from me...

2

2

yeah keep on bashing bebeh..

P/S: Are you feeling really silly right now after reading my post..

2

My dear boy,

Don't be too sensitive if people criticize Malay Muslims. Relax.......................

It is true that this forum is "just Asia Finest", not BBC, Al Jazeera, or CNN.

If it is BBC or CNN or Al Jazeera, they will not allow us to speak our minds. They are commercial news agencies. They have no time for us. But, this Asia Finest is not pure commercial news agencies like them. It is a place for all kinds of people to learn how to discuss all kinds of matters in civilized ways.

This is the purpose of this forum. Learn how to talk in civilized ways, without using emotions.

Once we can talk in civilized ways, we will be better persons

Trust me !!

Hi!

(civilised mode)

Read up your first post..

["What did we do to you so you sent your people to blow up our people?

Why?" ]

Your first post already implied that malaysians malay muslims from all level of societies are the one should be blamed , in other words it is called 'generalization'.

The above statement can easily be intepreted as "OMG the malaysian gahmen,the salarymen,housewives,schoolchildren,teachers,cats,dogs <insert here as you see fit> are sending hordes of suicide bombers to our peaceful loving country". See, it is too general no wonder this topic will soon degenerate into a flame wars and attracts more unwanted negative responses.

Moreover, the title of this topic is totally misleading as i don't see it related to the recent terrorist bombing in Bali

.. it leans more towards malay bashing/malay being disrepectful and quite seditous i may add

. Maybe you intentions are good or maybe not ..pfft who am i to judge

Let me correct some of the mistakes you made, so that it will be more civilised and pleasantly readable.

1)The title should be worded accurately and lengthly as possible
<Correct Version>
"2 Malaysian Malay Muslims, Azahari Bin Husin and Noordin Mohamed are the culprits behind the bali bombing"
a)why being specific about number of culprits?
-well, at least let the malaysian know that the entire population of 220,000,000 strong indonesian are being humbled by a small number of insignificant muslim terrorist.
b)why the 'Malaysian'?
-lol silly you

2 you are indonesian, you should know that these guys are not nationless, it's too general to say malay muslims as it could also mean malay from indonesia or vice versa.
c)at least it isn't misleading

2)Your statement in your opening post of the topic should be very detailed and specific.
<Correct Version>
"Why did the few totally evil blood sucking extremist malay muslims send their people to blow up our people, what did we ever do to them "
a)At least we know you are not generalizing and it's not directed at secular minded or open minded malay muslims

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Lastly, i want to apologize for the sudden burst of anger in my previous post as it was uncivilised according to wulandari

and uncalled for

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K thx BYE

Iron Malayan

Oct 25 2005, 01:56 PM

QUOTE (purnomor @ Oct 25 2005, 05:37 AM)

err.. calm down ponpon

mbak wulandari here also tried to mess up indonesian chat as well, in fact he is a chinazi who supported illegal chinese fishermen stealing indonesian fish, i suspect he is a troll of an earlier chinese chauvinist, bangsationghoa.

his intentions here is to cause fraction and hatred between indonesians and malaysians. don't fall into this trap, he'll be laughing at you in front of his screen

OIC

Wulandari

Oct 25 2005, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 25 2005, 12:52 PM)

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 10:50 AM)

QUOTE (rx7boy @ Oct 25 2005, 11:39 AM)

Yo people keep arguing in here... I support you all...seriously... because what?? because nobody will listen to you.. poor you... its only AsiaFinest.com.. not BBC, not Al-Jazeera, not a mass Media..

2

2 I'm laughing at all of you loudly reading you trying so hard to persuade people and give fact upon fact, bashing upon bashing.. at the end... what will you get?? MONEY?? NO!! POWER?? NO!! CHICKS?? NO!! ... haha.. one thing you will get for sure is a good laugh from me...

2

2

yeah keep on bashing bebeh..

P/S: Are you feeling really silly right now after reading my post..

2

My dear boy,

Don't be too sensitive if people criticize Malay Muslims. Relax.......................

It is true that this forum is "just Asia Finest", not BBC, Al Jazeera, or CNN.

If it is BBC or CNN or Al Jazeera, they will not allow us to speak our minds. They are commercial news agencies. They have no time for us. But, this Asia Finest is not pure commercial news agencies like them. It is a place for all kinds of people to learn how to discuss all kinds of matters in civilized ways.

This is the purpose of this forum. Learn how to talk in civilized ways, without using emotions.

Once we can talk in civilized ways, we will be better persons

Trust me !!

i'm not emotional. i deal with each poster on an individual basis. I know that Purmor is a right winged Malay/ Indonesiann . He posts extremely harsh words against other s in other threads.

I do not need to treat him with respect, and vice versa from him.

I understand that.

Besides, we just bust his @$$ few moments ago in Indonesia forum.

He always said that he is a Chinese Indonesia. He always deny that his family/parents work for our government/military. But, he always does propagandas in here, defending our corrupt/brutal government and military.

In this Indonesia forum, he got his @$$ busted. His lies are disclosed.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...pic=46850&st=30

Read carefully my words and his words. You will now that he is a fake !!

And our military members are always chauvinistics, very nationalistics !!! or right wing, you are correct !.

Purnomor is actually an Indonesian/Malay and his parents work as government officials/military members. His purpose in here, pretending to be a Chinese Indonesia is to manipulate people's minds. If he pretends to be a Chinese in this forum, his words might be easier accepted by Chinese from all countries. He needs to manipulate Chinese's minds so Chinese will have less hatred to Indonesians. And, Chinese descents from Indonesia will have less hatred to Indonesians too. It is because Indonesia badly needs Chinese descents' helps to build Indonesia economy. It is just Chinese descents from Indonesia who have abilities to build our damaged economy.

But, he did the wrong way.

He deny all kinds of racial persecutions against Chinese in Indonesia. He treats all people as fools. Instead of making peace with Chinese from all over the worlds, he makes them more angry. It is really stupid and unwise.

Nusantara

Oct 25 2005, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 08:22 PM)

Purnomor is actually an Indonesian/Malay and his parents work as government officials/military members. His purpose in here, pretending to be a Chinese Indonesia is to manipulate people's minds. If he pretends to be a Chinese in this forum, his words might be easier accepted by Chinese from all countries. He needs to manipulate Chinese's minds so Chinese will have less hatred to Indonesians. And, Chinese descents from Indonesia will have less hatred to Indonesians too. It is because Indonesia badly needs Chinese descents' helps to build Indonesia economy. It is just Chinese descents from Indonesia who have abilities to build our damaged economy.

Keep bragging about yourself, Indonesia right now already much in better shape whith less people like you after most rich corrupt chinese who got their richness by collution which Soeharto family and military fled the country after 1998 May riot.

Indonesia economic growth is greater than 5% among the highest in SEA, above Malaysia, Thailand and Philipine.

109

Oct 25 2005, 09:39 PM

Exactly how do you "export" a terrorist?
Is there a special visa you need to apply for? Do countries have agreements about how may "terrorist" they can take a year? When arriving at your destination do you declare your occupation as "terrorist" or "suicide bomber" or "extremist"? I mean you need to get this sort of stuff right as you don't want to claim to be a "suicide bomber" then show up with a return ticket! That is a waste of money.

purnomor

Oct 26 2005, 12:09 AM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 08:22 PM)

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 25 2005, 12:52 PM)

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 10:50 AM)

QUOTE (rx7boy @ Oct 25 2005, 11:39 AM)

Yo people keep arguing in here... I support you all...seriously... because what?? because nobody will listen to you.. poor you... its only AsiaFinest.com.. not BBC, not Al-Jazeera, not a mass Media..

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2 I'm laughing at all of you loudly reading you trying so hard to persuade people and give fact upon fact, bashing upon bashing.. at the end... what will you get?? MONEY?? NO!! POWER?? NO!! CHICKS?? NO!! ... haha.. one thing you will get for sure is a good laugh from me...

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yeah keep on bashing bebeh..

P/S: Are you feeling really silly right now after reading my post..

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My dear boy,

Don't be too sensitive if people criticize Malay Muslims. Relax.......................

It is true that this forum is "just Asia Finest", not BBC, Al Jazeera, or CNN.

If it is BBC or CNN or Al Jazeera, they will not allow us to speak our minds. They are commercial news agencies. They have no time for us. But, this Asia Finest is not pure commercial news agencies like them. It is a place for all kinds of people to learn how to discuss all kinds of matters in civilized ways.

This is the purpose of this forum. Learn how to talk in civilized ways, without using emotions.

Once we can talk in civilized ways, we will be better persons

Trust me !!

i'm not emotional. i deal with each poster on an individual basis. I know that Purmor is a right winged Malay/ Indonesiann . He posts extremely harsh words against other s in other threads.

I do not need to treat him with respect, and vice versa from him.

I understand that.

Besides, we just bust his @$$ few moments ago in Indonesia forum.

He always said that he is a Chinese Indonesia. He always deny that his family/parents work for our government/military. But, he always does propagandas in here, defending our corrupt/brutal government and military.

In this Indonesia forum, he got his @$$ busted. His lies are disclosed.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...pic=46850&st=30

Read carefully my words and his words. You will now that he is a fake !!

And our military members are always chauvinistics, very nationalistics !!! or right wing, you are correct !.

Purnomor is actually an Indonesian/Malay and his parents work as government officials/military members. His purpose in here, pretending to be a Chinese Indonesia is to manipulate people's minds. If he pretends to be a Chinese in this forum, his words might be easier accepted by Chinese from all countries. He needs to manipulate Chinese's minds so Chinese will have less hatred to Indonesians. And, Chinese descents from Indonesia will have less hatred to Indonesians too. It is because Indonesia badly needs Chinese descents' helps to build Indonesia economy. It is just Chinese descents from Indonesia who have abilities to build our damaged economy.

But, he did the wrong way.

He deny all kinds of racial persecutions against Chinese in Indonesia. He treats all people as fools. Instead of making peace with Chinese from all over the worlds, he makes them more angry. It is really stupid and unwise.

LOLZ.. calm down, wul

You looks so tense and over-excited. Here, let me help you return to reality:

1) You did not bust anything, that was merely your imagination. The truth is there is nothing to "bust".

2) If anybody's fake identity is "busted", it's yours because i doubt anybody is gonna believe that you're a "grandmother" after today's hysterical fits.

3) It seems you are confusing this forum with some kind of international conference or so. Let me remind you, this is an online forum, in here Indonesian forum has no need whatsoever for forummers from China. If they don't show respect for Indonesian Chat, we don't need to respect them either.

4) It is up to you to develop your imagination on me to the fullest extent of your fantasia, but let me give you common sense, no Indonesian military would waste his time in some obscure online forum. I'm using this forum to express my ultranationalism while procrastinating while I don't have any assignments from my uni.

5) Breath-in, breath-out. Take it easy and remember this is only an online forum. Don't get so worked up over me. I don't want to cause you an off-line stress

brucewayne

Oct 26 2005, 12:59 AM

its the act of individual rather than country. We r not like,
`KERA DI HUTAN DISUSUKAN , ANAK DI KANDUNG, MATI KELAPARAN`

I believe , M`sian hv no intention whatsoever to interfere others countries business/affair.

banyak lagi nak fikir menjelang 2020...
adios!

ponpon

Oct 26 2005, 04:27 AM

QUOTE (purnomor @ Oct 26 2005, 12:09 AM)

2) If anybody's fake identity is "busted", it's yours because i doubt anybody is gonna believe that you're a "grandmother" after today's hysterical fits.

you are a grandmother?
lol

How old are you Wulan? you sound like 14 year old angry boy who just hits his puberty

^_a grandma should be more civilised and wouldn't be wasting her time posting here

Wulandari

Oct 26 2005, 07:52 AM

QUOTE (Bringer_Of_Death @ Oct 25 2005, 01:55 AM)

^ Good question. We don't, any malaysian who's a suspect of being a terrorist or giving aid to terrorist will immidiately be jailed.

Charges will not be pressed onto the suspect till proven guilty.
Once sentenced and depending on the weight of the crime the person will serve his years in prison.

You must be kidding, my dear. right ?

I don't think Malaysia government will jail anybody who's a suspect of being a terrorist or giving aid to terrorist. There are many Muslims extrimist in Malaysia. Those Muslim extrimist are potential terrorist. If your words were correct, your government should already jail hundreds of thousands of Muslim extrimist right now. But, your government doesn't do that. Because if your government jail any terrorist suspects, your government (controlled by Muslims) will fall.

Please be realistic, my dear...........

I have lived long enough to know about most anything

aaaw

Oct 26 2005, 07:57 AM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 08:22 PM)

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 25 2005, 12:52 PM)

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 10:50 AM)

QUOTE (rx7boy @ Oct 25 2005, 11:39 AM)

Yo people keep arguing in here... I support you all...seriously... because what?? because nobody will listen to you.. poor you... its only AsiaFinest.com.. not BBC, not Al-Jazeera, not a mass Media..

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2 I'm laughing at all of you loudly reading you trying so hard to persuade people and give fact upon fact, bashing upon bashing.. at the end... what will you get?? MONEY?? NO!! POWER?? NO!! CHICKS?? NO!! ... haha.. one thing you will get for sure is a good laugh from me...

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2

yeah keep on bashing bebeh..

P/S: Are you feeling really silly right now after reading my post..

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My dear boy,

Don't be too sensitive if people criticize Malay Muslims. Relax.......................

It is true that this forum is "just Asia Finest", not BBC, Al Jazeera, or CNN.

If it is BBC or CNN or Al Jazeera, they will not allow us to speak our minds. They are commercial news agencies. They have no time for us. But, this Asia Finest is not pure commercial news agencies like them. It is a place for all kinds of people to learn how to discuss all kinds of matters in civilized ways.

This is the purpose of this forum. Learn how to talk in civilized ways, without using emotions.

Once we can talk in civilized ways, we will be better persons

Trust me !!

i'm not emotional. i deal with each poster on an individual basis. I know that Purmor is a right winged Malay/ Indonesiann . He posts extremely harsh words against other s in other threads.

I do not need to treat him with respect, and vice versa from him.

I understand that.

Besides, we just bust his @$$ few moments ago in Indonesia forum.

He always said that he is a Chinese Indonesia. He always deny that his family/parents work for our government/military. But, he always does propagandas in here, defending our corrupt/brutal government and military.

In this Indonesia forum, he got his @$$ busted. His lies are disclosed.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...pic=46850&st=30

Read carefully my words and his words. You will now that he is a fake !!

And our military members are always chauvinistics, very nationalistics !!! or right wing, you are correct !.

Purnomor is actually an Indonesian/Malay and his parents work as government officials/military members. His purpose in here, pretending to be a Chinese Indonesia is to manipulate people's minds. If he pretends to be a Chinese in this forum, his words might be easier accepted by Chinese from all countries. He needs to manipulate Chinese's minds so Chinese will have less hatred to Indonesians. And, Chinese descents from Indonesia will have less hatred to Indonesians too. It is because Indonesia badly needs Chinese descents' helps to build Indonesia economy. It is just Chinese descents from Indonesia who have abilities to build our damaged economy.

But, he did the wrong way.

He deny all kinds of racial persecutions against Chinese in Indonesia. He treats all people as fools. Instead of making peace with Chinese from all over the worlds, he makes them more angry. It is really stupid and unwise.

only a dumbass would believe he is chinese. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the chinese people. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

Wulandari

Oct 26 2005, 08:01 AM

QUOTE (witchx @ Oct 25 2005, 05:37 AM)

lol @ caramel

wulandari : erm why are u thinking that malaysian don't respect other ppl? i take that u r from indonesia.... before you say anything bout the news and stuffs like that, try asking your own ppl why did the indonesian muslims kill the indonesian chineses during a recent massacre? gosh so thats respect?

lets see what have indonesia done for malaysia? i dont know much coz i live in australia for some time but providing HAZE? thats a good thing eh? thats what you call respect eh by torching your forests for PERSONAL uses? so giving malaysia haze is respect and gratitude?

I guess you should tell this to the malaysian government your opinion and ask them to stop providing job opportunities to the maid wannabes or current maids that are from indonesia... that might be nice as well

bodyslam : malaysia sent a terrorist to thailand? im sure the government of malaysia is nice enough to send some terrorists to thailand whereby they are so free to meddle with thailand's economy and whatever.... you didn have evidence to prove becoz there are no evidences that the malaysians are masterminds. but i am indeed happy if the malaysian is the mastermind coz it proves some stupidity in thailand's military intelligence

btw go malaysia's terrorists!

My dear Witchx,

I don't deny that majority Indonesians are racist to Chinese descents. But, I am not. I am half Indonesian, half Chinese. My husband is a Chinese. Besides, I am Christian. So, you ask the question to the wrong person, I believe.

About the haze, I am sorry if it gives you trouble. But, I believe my country didn't deliberately make your people suffer. It is just some people burn dead/old forestry for the new farm. They are stupid, indeed. But, they are harmless.

About the job opportunities in Malaysia for our people. I am glad your country is so nice to us. I believe the job opportunities give benefits to both of us, not just for us. Without our blue colar workers in your country, your country will get problem to build your buildings, bridges, homes and so on. Am I correct? Please respect each other and work together for the benefit to both of us.

ponpon

Oct 26 2005, 08:04 AM

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 26 2005, 07:57 AM)

only a dumbass would believe he is chinese. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the chinese people. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

[My Version]
only a dumbass would believe Wulan is a native Indonesian. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the people of malay stock descent. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

Wulandari

Oct 26 2005, 08:20 AM

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 26 2005, 09:04 AM)

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 26 2005, 07:57 AM)

only a dumbass would believe he is chinese. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the chinese people. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

[My Version]
only a dumbass would believe Wulan is a native Indonesian. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the people of malay stock descent. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

My dear Ponpon,

I am half Indonesian, not 100% Indonesian.

Because of my condition, I don't support either Indonesian or Chinese. I support realities and justice. And I am a "she", not a "he".

I am proud to be half Indonesian and half Chinese. I will speak against anybody who talk ill about Indonesian and Chinese. But, I will not lie and twist the facts just to defend my ethnic pride. I have live long enough to realize that it is impossible an ethnic is innoncent 100%, without any sins at all. It is impossible. Right is right ! Wrong is wrong ! We learn how to become civilized people by learning how to be honest to ourselves.

Besides, this topic is about religion, not ethnicity. Please don't be too sensitive.

I already explain about this above. Please scroll up this screen, and read my explanation again above. Because I consider most Malays are Muslims, I wrote the title as : "MALAY MUSLIMS". However, my purpose is Muslims, not Malays. If you are Chinese or Indians or White people, as long as you are Muslims, you are the purpose of my writing.

aaaw

Oct 26 2005, 08:20 AM

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 26 2005, 08:04 AM)

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 26 2005, 07:57 AM)

only a dumbass would believe he is chinese. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the chinese people. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

[My Version]
only a dumbass would believe Wulan is a native Indonesian. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the people of malay stock descent. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

have your read his/her thread in the Indonesian section? Wulandari's factss vs. Purmour was excellent. Wulandari pwned Purmour.

for a sec there I actually felt sorry for Purmour's sorry @$$

The only thing no one would know is Wulandari's age and sex, but Wulandari's knowledge with regards to Indonesian/Malaysia is very good

ponpon

Oct 26 2005, 08:32 AM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 26 2005, 08:20 AM)

I am proud to be half Indonesian and half Chinese

So what is the other half?

Iron Malayan

Oct 26 2005, 11:07 AM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 25 2005, 08:22 PM)

It is because Indonesia badly needs Chinese descents' helps to build Indonesia economy. It is just Chinese descents from Indonesia who have abilities to build our damaged economy.

Nope. Indonesian economy depends on natural resources ,agriculture and foreign investments. The best thing ethnic Chinese could to for Indonesia is to leave.

forrestcat

Oct 26 2005, 03:40 PM

You must be kidding, my dear. right ?

I don't think Malaysia government will jail anybody who's a suspect of being a terrorist or giving aid to terrorist. There are many Muslims extrimist in Malaysia. Those Muslim extrimist are potential terrorist. If your words were correct, your government should already jail hundreds of thousands of Muslim extrimist right now. But, your government doesn't do that. Because if your government jail any terrorist suspects, your government (controlled by Muslims) will fall.

Please be realistic, my dear...........

I have lived long enough to know about most anything

[/quote]

Your statement is so naive.

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Jail hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

2 eah right,for what.Wulandari, please, pretty please visit Malaysia, we are not Afghanistan, then i will listen to you. Thailand and people like you can make noise all u want but until u got proof , u have no leg to stand on to throw blatant accusations against Malaysians.

Wulandari , before u argue why these Muslims should be jailed, please ponder about the Muslims in Acheh and Pakistan who were affected by the Tsunami and the earthquake. If you want to seek justice and righteaosness, then please help these people, no use writing hateful words from ur high rise condo or walled up bungalow in Indonesia. I have a thread about how to donate to the quake victims, please do so if u are really seeking justice and righteousness and a good christian. Charity knows no religion and ethnicity.

Ur posts in the other threads are malicious towards the Malay Muslims, there very little reason to argue with you coz u will just twist facts and make chicken to egg and egg to chicken arguments, u r just trying to get people to fight with each other in 3 threads of ASEAN nations, is that justice and righteoasness? Some of us do have argumanets with the other forumers ,but not with people from 2 or 3 threads.

[I].If u want religious arguments,then this is the wrong discussion board.

Wulandari

Oct 26 2005, 06:44 PM

QUOTE

Pon pon said:

Malay Muslims dont' respect other people??????

Hhmm a typical hypocrite javanese response as i expected.. (your name indicates you are one)

it seems that you are no different than any indo javanese i have met and spoken to,
1)Hypocrite
2)Take laws into their own hands (the overpowered and brutal TNI and the low quality indonesian PRs )
3)Disrepectful of other's culture (Suharto pointed out mahathir as a 'malay' who disrespected javanese culture in the 80s)
4)Regard the bahasa indonesa as nothing more but a mere tool to subjugate the various ethnics of indonesia.
5)Think malays as their brethrens but backstab them whenever possible.
6)Quick to play the 'malay race card' whenever it's beneficial (as demostrated by Your beloved vice president Yusof Kalla, even though he is a bugis as directed by SBY)
7)A 'Bully'

My dear Pon pon,

I want to argue with you about how you describe us. But, I can't. What you said is true. We have many weaknesses in our culture and characters.

But !!!!!

We plan to fix our weaknesses and being better people. Everybody makes mistakes, right? It is natural.

Besides, some of those bad characters you gave me such as: hypocrite, take laws into our hand, bully, backstabbing and so on EXIST in most cultures in the world, including in your culture

. It depends on the leaders of the people. If the leaders are good, those bad characters can be eliminated. But, our ex leader President Suharto was a very very corrupt and bad leader. He destroyed us so bad for 32 years. Now, we have to start again from the beginning. We will be better people, one day. Please be patient to us.

QUOTE

Pon pon said:

If it's true that these 2 malaysians that masterminded the recent bali's bombing, then let them rot in deepest pit of hell, otherwise you are bigoted fool and incapable of proper reasoning let alone posting on the internet.

Have you ever heard the word "Innocent until proven Guilty", eh? Never throw false accusations without proper evidences, or you will end up looking like a fool..damn right you r already a fool.

To be honest here, your post was not offensive or degrading in any way but it was the title of this topic that really gets on my nerves ..MALAY MUSLIMS..and by an indonesian that supposed to be our BROTHERS and SISTERS PFFFTTT!!!. This clearly reflects the way of javaneses thinking towards the malays particularly in malaysia... their true nature of hypocrisy is truly disturbing.

Words of advice to my malay brothers and sisters, don't be taken in by this javanese hypocrisy. Open up your eyes widely, from konfrantasi,acheh conflict, darul islam rebellion,ambalat issue etc. these javanese are so hell-bent on making malaysia a scapegoat (even worse than singapore). So choose your allies wisely.

Innoncent until proven guilty? You said that?

It is strange those kinds of words come from people who have ISA.

ISA means Internal Security Act, right?

You Malaysian can put people in jail without evidence and charge FOR YEARS.

Don't lie to me, my son. I know about ISA. It is famous in Singapore and Malaysia.

***********************

Sure, we are Malay too, like you. But, we don't blow up your people in Malaysia. On the contrary, you blew up our people. That is the difference !!

Peace

ponpon

Oct 26 2005, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 26 2005, 06:44 PM)

My dear Pon pon,

I want to argue with you about how you describe us. But, I can't. What you said is true. We have many weaknesses in our culture and characters.

But !!!!!

We plan to fix our weaknesses and being better people. Everybody makes mistakes, right? It is natural.

Besides, some of those bad characters you gave me such as: hypocrite, take laws into our hand, bully, backstabbing and so on EXIST in most cultures in the world, including in your culture

. It depends on the leaders of the people. If the leaders are good, those bad characters can be eliminated. But, our ex leader President Suharto was a very very corrupt and bad leader. He destroyed us so bad for 32 years. Now, we have to start again from the beginning. We will be better people, one day. Please be patient to us.

QUOTE

Pon pon said:

If it's true that these 2 malaysians that masterminded the recent bali's bombing, then let them rot in deepest pit of hell, otherwise you are bigoted fool and incapable of proper reasoning let alone posting on the internet.

Have you ever heard the word "Innocent until proven Guilty", eh? Never throw false accusations without proper evidences, or you will end up looking like a fool..damn right you r already a fool.

To be honest here, your post was not offensive or degrading in any way but it was the title of this topic that really gets on my nerves ..MALAY MUSLIMS..and by an indonesian that supposed to be our BROTHERS and SISTERS PFFFTTT!!!. This clearly reflects the way of javaneses thinking towards the malays particularly in malaysia... their true nature of hypocrisy is truly disturbing.

Words of advice to my malay brothers and sisters, don't be taken in by this javanese hypocrisy. Open up your eyes widely, from konfrantasi,acheh conflict, darul islam rebellion,ambalat issue etc. these javanese are so hell-bent on making malaysia a scapegoat (even worse than singapore). So choose your allies wisely.

Innoncent until proven guilty? You said that?

It is strange those kinds of words come from people who have ISA.

ISA means Internal Security Act, right?

You Malaysian can put people in jail without evidence and charge FOR YEARS.

Don't lie to me, my son. I know about ISA. It is famous in Singapore and Malaysia.

***********************

Dear grandmama

hmm what took so long to reply to my first uncivilised,seditous,rude,barbaric <insert here as you see fit> post?

i thought u just simply ignored it, but hmm why did you have to bring it up, after i had sincerely ^_^apologized, arent we supposed to have civilised discussion here ?

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 26 2005, 06:44 PM)

Sure, we are Malay too, like you. But, we don't blow up your people in Malaysia. On the contrary, you blew up our people. That is the difference !!

Peace

Isn't this called generalization ?

you are implying that every malay muslims including me^_^ are terrorist . How uncivilised

I'm a very trusting ^_ ^person so i take whatever you said about youself to be true

But you still haven't answered my question what is the other half of your indonesian side?

Peace

Wulandari

Oct 26 2005, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 26 2005, 08:39 PM)

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 26 2005, 06:44 PM)

My dear Pon pon,

I want to argue with you about how you describe us. But, I can't. What you said is true. We have many weaknesses in our culture and characters.

But !!!!!

We plan to fix our weaknesses and being better people. Everybody makes mistakes, right? It is natural.

Besides, some of those bad characters you gave me such as: hypocrite, take laws into our hand, bully, backstabbing and so on EXIST in most cultures in the world, including in your culture

. It depends on the leaders of the people. If the leaders are good, those bad characters can be eliminated. But, our ex leader President Suharto was a very very corrupt and bad leader. He destroyed us so bad for 32 years. Now, we have to start again from the beginning. We will be better people, one day. Please be patient to us.

QUOTE

Pon pon said:

If it's true that these 2 malaysians that masterminded the recent bali's bombing, then let them rot in deepest pit of hell, otherwise you are bigoted fool and incapable of proper reasoning let alone posting on the internet.

Have you ever heard the word "Innocent until proven Guilty", eh? Never throw false accusations without proper evidences, or you will end up looking like a fool..damn right you r already a fool.

To be honest here, your post was not offensive or degrading in any way but it was the title of this topic that really gets on my nerves ..MALAY MUSLIMS..and by an indonesian that supposed to be our BROTHERS and SISTERS PFFFTTT!!!. This clearly reflects the way of javaneses thinking towards the malays particularly in malaysia... their true nature of hypocrisy is truly disturbing.

Words of advice to my malay brothers and sisters, don't be taken in by this javanese hypocrisy. Open up your eyes widely, from konfrantasi,acheh conflict, darul islam rebellion,ambalat issue etc. these javanese are so hell-bent on making malaysia a scapegoat (even worse than singapore). So choose your allies wisely.

Innoncent until proven guilty? You said that?

It is strange those kinds of words come from people who have ISA.

ISA means Internal Security Act, right?

You Malaysian can put people in jail without evidence and charge FOR YEARS.

Don't lie to me, my son. I know about ISA. It is famous in Singapore and Malaysia.

***********************

Dear grandmama

hmm what took so long to reply to my first uncivilised,seditous,rude,barbaric <insert here as you see fit> post?

i thought u just simply ignored it, but hmm why did you have to bring it up, after i had sincerely ^_^apologized, arent we supposed to have civilised discussion here ?

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 26 2005, 06:44 PM)

Sure, we are Malay too, like you. But, we don't blow up your people in Malaysia. On the contrary, you blew up our people. That is the difference !!

Peace

Isn't this called generalization ?

you are implying that every malay muslims including me^_^ are terrorist . How uncivilised

I'm a very trusting ^_ ^person so i take whatever you said about youself to be true

But you still haven't answered my question what is the other half of your indonesian side?

Peace

My dear,

I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

There are many replies in this thread, I just try to answer one by one from the beginning. I forget you already reply the second time.

I understand that it is impossible all Muslims in Malaysia are terrorist. There must be some good Muslims, agree?

However, what bother me is your country is a SAFE HEAVEN for terrorist Muslims who bother neighborhood countries, like mine, Thailand, Singapore and so on.

You Muslims have ISA, Internal Security Act. Why you guys don't use it to jail all Muslim extrimist in your country?

Besides, I already reply about generalization of Muslims in Malaysia above. Let me quote them again in here.

QUOTE

Wulandari said:

I understand that not all MALAY MUSLIMS are terrorist. It is impossible to generalize all of them as terrorists. I know that.

But !!!!!

It is Malaysian government and Malay Muslims who harbor and let those terrorist Muslims to freely move, breed, do what ever they want in Malaysia.

If those terrorist Muslims just do terrorist stuff in Malaysia, people won't care.

But, if those terrorist Malay Muslims blow up people in other countries, Malaysia government (controlled by MALAY MUSLIMS) MUST INDIRECTLY take the responsibility.

Without Malaysia government (controlled by MALAY MUSLIMS) support in Malaysia, those Malay Muslim terrorist will not have capabilities to do terrorist stuff in other countries.

And because Malay Muslims support Malaysia government (controlled by MALAY MUSLIMS), so Malay Muslim people MUST INDIRECTLY take the responsibility too if some of them do terrorist stuff in Indonesia, Philipine, Thailand and other countries

Does it make sense?

I hope my writing will make you feel more comfortable.

We are all human beings. We all know that it is wrong to blame the entire population for the wrongdoing of some of them. But, sometimes, if the damages are too huge, it is difficult not to blame the entire population. Please forgive me

purnomor

Oct 26 2005, 09:08 PM

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 26 2005, 08:20 AM)

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 26 2005, 08:04 AM)

QUOTE (aaaw @ Oct 26 2005, 07:57 AM)

only a dumbass would believe he is chinese. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the chinese people. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

[My Version]
only a dumbass would believe Wulan is a native Indonesian. i can tell by his posts that he has hatred espcially for the people of malay stock descent. even self-haters are not that extreme in their views.

have your read his/her thread in the Indonesian section? Wulandari's factss vs. Purmour was excellent. Wulandari pwned Purmour.

for a sec there I actually felt sorry for Purmour's sorry @$$

The only thing no one would know is Wulandari's age and sex, but Wulandari's knowledge with regards to Indonesian/Malaysia is very good

What's wrong, boy? Are you still hurt bcoz you got pwned in Indonesian chat?

I think everyone already knew by know that wulan, like you, is most likely a young boy approaching puberty, who naturaly due to his age, has very poor knowledge and argumentation skills, hence he easily got "pwned" in Indo chat by lots of people.

ponpon

Oct 26 2005, 09:31 PM

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My dear,

I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

There are many replies in this thread, I just try to answer one by one from the beginning. I forget you already reply the second time.

I understand that it is impossible all Muslims in Malaysia are terrorist. There must be some good Muslims, agree?

However, what bother me is your country is a SAFE HEAVEN for terrorist Muslims who bother neighborhood countries, like mine, Thailand, Singapore and so on.

Malaysia is a SAFE HEAVEN for terrorist?

if that's true then Malaysia's law enforcers are doing one hell of a job suppressing these people and keeping the country peaceful despite being outnumbered and surrounded by gazillion of suicide bombers

2. just kidding_^

well at least, malaysia deserves a praise or 2 for its strict,exemplary law enforcement and tight security from its neigbouring countries

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So instead of accusing malaysia of harbouring terrorist, the singa,indo or thai government should ask malaysia for help and advice on how to cope with the ever increasing terrorist activities ...agree?

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Wulandari said:

You Muslims have ISA, Internal Security Act. Why you guys don't use it to jail all Muslim extrimist in your country?

How do you know that Malaysian gahmen never use ISA to jail Muslim extrimist?

, the jailing could have been done in secrecy and never makes the headlines,unless if that person is a very high profile and influential individual.

Peace

purnomor

Oct 27 2005, 12:44 AM

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 26 2005, 09:31 PM)

How do you know that Malaysian gahmen never use ISA to jail Muslim extrimist?

, the jailing could have been done in secrecy and never makes the headlines,unless if that person is a very high profile and influential individual.

Peace

Indonesia should implement a kind of ISA. Under Suharto, we got a form of informal ISA, therefore there was zero terrorist incident for 32 years under his rule. After he fell, lack of ISA meant our police is afraid of doing preventive arrests, because they might be criticised for "human rights violations" or for being "anti-democratic". As a result, there were more than 100 bomb explosions in Indonesia since 1998. Only now ISA-style law is being proposed in parliament after four major bombings in four years finally make the public slowly drop their opposition. Also the military territorial command is being restored to improve our internal intelligence service that really deteriorated after 1998. It's about time, even Australia has made anti-terror laws that far restrict civil liberty than Indonesia's current laws.

Indeed, the terror incidents in Indonesia so far is price of democracy

chilli21

Oct 27 2005, 01:25 AM

QUOTE (purnomor @ Oct 27 2005, 04:44 PM)

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 26 2005, 09:31 PM)

How do you know that Malaysian gahmen never use ISA to jail Muslim extrimist?

, the jailing could have been done in secrecy and never makes the headlines,unless if that person is a very high profile and influential individual.

Peace

Indonesia should implement a kind of ISA. Under Suharto, we got a form of informal ISA, therefore there was zero terrorist incident for 32 years under his rule. After he fell, lack of ISA meant our police is afraid of doing preventive arrests, because they might be criticised for "human rights violations" or for being "anti-democratic". As a result, there were more than 100 bomb explosions in Indonesia since 1998. Only now ISA-style law is being proposed in parliament after four major bombings in four years finally make the public slowly drop their opposition. Also the military territorial command is being restored to improve our internal intelligence service that really deteriorated after 1998. It's about time, even Australia has made anti-terror laws that far restrict civil liberty than Indonesia's current laws.

Indeed, the terror incidents in Indonesia so far is price of democracy

i think wulan is right.

anyway, u should know the aus public response to the anti-terror law.

Iron Malayan

Oct 27 2005, 09:06 AM

The ISA has served Malaysia well.

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 26 2005, 09:31 PM)

So instead of accusing malaysia of harbouring terrorist, the singa,indo or thai government should ask malaysia for help and advice on how to cope with the ever increasing terrorist activities ...agree?

Indeed.

JediKnight

Oct 27 2005, 11:09 AM

Picture of the death marines....

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I don't hate malaysian but a lot of people feel like that. That is not all of people but in Thailand people can express his idea freely. In the internet world, the idea and attitude spread so quickly and no one can stop it. There have a lot of webboard in Thailand.

One of the Marines who was murdered in the Tonyonglimo village was an active member in famous webboard. A few day before he death, he posted a word into the website about peace he asked how he can make people in the south understand him. His friend who die with him worked for that village more than 10 years and two of them are familiar with people in that village. But some of villager killed them with brutally. If you see his death picture. you will understand that why his death is make more angry to Thai Society.

His word was spread so quickly into Thai Society. People sent his death picture by mail to all of Thai people.

And we believe his death is a ploted by the separatist.

In Thailand, The people in Navy is like Gentleman. The navy never intervention in the politic. (Most of coup d'tat in the past comefrom the Army). The Navy never killed the people. In 1992, when there was a protested in Bangkok and a lot of people die from millitary government. Most of Protestor escaped by the help from the Navy.

That is the sad story. More than 1000 death in the south from the terrorist. Most of them is a Buddist. The terrorist want the war between the two religion. They try to make a Buddhist revenge them. The East-Timor case that the would like to follow.

By suuport from some of malay. They can bring the case to international and then make an independent. I don't say this is true. But a lot of Thai people think like this.

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malaccan

Oct 27 2005, 11:18 AM

^Astaghfirullah. That's terrible. May God bless their souls.

Satay

Oct 30 2005, 09:17 AM

QUOTE (malaccan @ Oct 28 2005, 12:18 AM)

^Astaghfirullah. That's terrible. May God bless their souls.

Malaysia export terrorist to Indo...wow....was it tax free? When will Malaysia import terrorist from Indo or Thai then? will they tax free too? Any import duty imposed? For ASEAN economy.....this will be a good commodity for trading too....huh?

Wulandari

Oct 30 2005, 11:57 AM

QUOTE (JediKnight @ Oct 27 2005, 12:09 PM)

Picture of the death marines....

-----------

I don't hate malaysian but a lot of people feel like that. That is not all of people but in Thailand people can express his idea freely. In the internet world, the idea and attitude spread so quickly and no one can stop it. There have a lot of webboard in Thailand.

One of the Marines who was murdered in the Tonyonglimo village was an active member in famous webboard. A few day before he death, he posted a word into the website about peace he asked how he can make people in the south understand him. His friend who die with him worked for that village more than 10 years and two of them are familiar with people in that village. But some of villager killed them with brutally. If you see his death picture. you will understand that why his death is make more angry to Thai Society.

His word was spread so quickly into Thai Society. People sent his death picture by mail to all of Thai people.

And we believe his death is a ploted by the separatist.

In Thailand, The people in Navy is like Gentleman. The navy never intervention in the politic. (Most of coup d'tat in the past comefrom the Army). The Navy never killed the people. In 1992, when there was a protested in Bangkok and a lot of people die from millitary government. Most of Protestor escaped by the help from the Navy.

That is the sad story. More than 1000 death in the south from the terrorist. Most of them is a Buddist. The terrorist want the war between the two religion. They try to make a Buddhist revenge them. The East-Timor case that the would like to follow.

By suuport from some of malay. They can bring the case to international and then make an independent. I don't say this is true. But a lot of Thai people think like this.

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That was so terrible tragedy !!

Thailand must act strong and firm to those terrorist Muslims. If Muslims in Malaysia support those beasts, Thailand should not hesitate to be firm to Malaysia. Force is the only way terrorists understand. Nothing else !!

ponpon

Oct 30 2005, 01:02 PM

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 30 2005, 11:57 AM)

That was so terrible tragedy !!

Thailand must act strong and firm to those terrorist Muslims. If Muslims in Malaysia support those beasts, Thailand should not hesitate to be firm to Malaysia. Force is the only way terrorists understand. Nothing else !!

Yes that indeed was a terrible tragedy

condolences to the affected families

But grandmama, your statement is a bit uncivilised and seditous

,you are not going to incite hatred between malaysia and thai are u?

this is a civilised discussion, right grandmama?

JediKnight

Oct 30 2005, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (ponpon @ Oct 30 2005, 07:02 PM)

QUOTE (Wulandari @ Oct 30 2005, 11:57 AM)

That was so terrible tragedy !!

Thailand must act strong and firm to those terrorist Muslims. If Muslims in Malaysia support those beasts, Thailand should not hesitate to be firm to Malaysia. Force is the only way terrorists understand. Nothing else !!

Yes that indeed was a terrible tragedy

condolences to the affected families

But grandmama, your statement is a bit uncivilised and seditous

,you are not going to incite hatred between malaysia and thai are u?

this is a civilised discussion, right grandmama?

Some talks like a civilize but act as uncivilized. I didn't care what they talked, I do care only what they did to my country. There is no place for terrorist in the south to hide. The border is only Malaysia and sea. We searched them everywhere in our border. They can not hided under the sea floor. But all of them gone after set a bomb to kill a monk, children. There is only place we can not search for them, in Malaysia. ...safe haboured for terrorists.