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Friday, Mar 12, 2004, 1:56 pm EST

S.J. library name debated

San Jose Mercury News

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The skeleton of a new library is taking shape on Tully Road while a debate over the building`s name has pitted longtime residents against their newer, Vietnamese-American neighbors.

A diverse mix of older, largely white and Latino residents in the south central enclave see the $11 million city library as a proud achievement and want the building`s name to reflect the agricultural history of the area and its geographic location.

Vietnamese-Americans in recent years have transformed the area bordered by highways 87, 280 and 101 into a bustling business and residential district. They now account for one in five residents, and some want the library`s name to recognize their contributions.

The San Jose Library Commission has come up with a compromise: Tully-New Saigon Library.

But that compromise hasn`t been embraced by everyone in the community, because the dispute is not just about a name. It is about the growing pains of a once bucolic bedroom community near downtown San Jose amid dramatic growth and demographic change. And complicating the issue is a pattern of cultural misunderstanding that has stirred frustration for everyone involved.

Creating division

Luz Mrdutt, a 26-year resident and member of the McLaughlin Corridor Neighborhood Association, wants the name to be Tully Library.

"The really unfortunate thing is that this is going to divide us and create ill feelings when we`ve been trying for so long to improve our neighborhood and create a sense of community," she said.

Vietnamese-Americans contend that including their heritage in the library`s name will go a long way toward building that sense of community.

"This will give us a sense of belonging by recognizing what we`ve contributed to the area over the last 30 years," said Arthur Bao, who doesn`t live in the neighborhood, but rallied 150 Vietnamese-Americans to push for the proposed name at a library hearing in February.

If the city council votes to adopt the compromise name later this month, the library would be the second public monument recognizing the 146,000 Vietnamese-Americans in Santa Clara County. When completed, the Vietnam Heritage Garden in San Jose`s Kelley Park will be the first.

But the neighborhood association, which represents 2,000 homes near the library, opposes the Tully-New Saigon name. Members argue that no one ethnic group should get special recognition.

"It will create a different flavor of the neighborhood," said Helen Bliven, a 38-year resident and president of the group.

In fact, the area has traditionally been diverse. While the white and black populations have decreased since 1990, Asians now make up one-third of the district`s residents -- a dramatic increase in that same amount of time.

In the March edition of its newsletter, the association called for residents to speak out against the proposed name, saying business interests "envision this wonderful little neighborhood as the cornerstone of a larger `Little Saigon.` " A meeting will be held next Thursday on the issue.

Some leaders in the Vietnamese-American community do believe that instead of fighting for the library name, aiming higher is a more productive goal. They say the community deserves a concentrated destination of shops and restaurants special place, similar to San Jose`s Japantown, or Little Saigon, San Francisco`s new district for Vietnamese culture and community.

Some Vietnamese-Americans say they have felt unwelcome since they began opening businesses and settling into the modest but spacious homes in the area 20 years ago. Bao said some Vietnamese-Americans feel that city ordinances -- which block residents from parking on their lawns or paving over their lawns to expand driveways -- were pushed by the neighborhood association.

The regulations seemed to be directly aimed at the newer Vietnamese-American residents, who often live in multi-generational households with more than two cars per family, Bao said. And the annual dumpster day organized by the group has been perceived as a not-so-subtle hint to Vietnamese-Americans to clean up their homes and yards, he said.

Keeping area clean

Mrdutt, 75, helped form the neighborhood association eight years ago to battle graffiti and traffic along McLaughlin Avenue. Members urged the city to clean up mattresses and furniture dumped in an empty lot on Umbarger Road. And they`ve planted 20,000 daffodils in its place.

So when the city approved plans for the new library as part of a historic $212 million library bond in 2000, Mrdutt and others in the neighborhood group dove into the project. They helped make design decisions, pushing for a corrugated metal roof that would hark back to when fruit sheds dotted the landscape.

When Vietnamese-Americans who live outside the area -- lobbying on behalf of those in the neighborhood -- submitted Saigon Library as their proposed name, it took Mrdutt by surprise.

"Not a single Vietnamese had come to any of the meetings on planning and design, and then suddenly when things were under way, there they were, wanting their name on it," Mrdutt said. "It felt like they were homesteading the whole thing."

Madison Nguyen, a member of the Franklin-McKinley School District board, said she can see both sides, but as a Vietnamese-American, supports the proposed name as a symbol of pride.

"There is so much talk within each group but never to each other and with each other," said Nguyen, who lives in the area.

Relationships hurt

Missteps have widened the gap between the largely white and Latino association members and Vietnamese residents.

Association members tried to mend relations by recruiting Vietnamese-Americans at the Perfect Virtue Buddhist temple on McLaughlin Avenue. But that solicitation was viewed as culturally insensitive because the temple is a spiritual oasis.

Mrdutt bristles at that characterization.

"This has nothing to do with race," said Mrdutt, who is Mexican-American, wiping away the tears from under her wire-framed glasses. "This is simply about preserving the heritage of the area."

Copyright ©2004 San Jose Mercury News. All Rights Reserved.
drunk_on_tea
OH DEAR, my house is two minutes from this library, I don't know if this is going to help Vietnamese-Americans integrate into the larger San Jose community because the degree of Vietnamese influence in San Jose is quite strong but renaming the library for that sake makes it sound singular almost and instead of promoting awareness, there just might be the opposite effect. Well it looks like the divisionis already taking its toll, I can care less about the name honestly. I'll just call it Tully. Thank you Kulong for sharing this.
Kulong
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 05:36 PM)
OH DEAR, my house is two minutes from this library, I don't know if this is going to help Vietnamese-Americans integrate into the larger San Jose community because the degree of Vietnamese influence in San Jose is quite strong but renaming the library for that sake makes it sound singular almost and instead of promoting awareness, there just might be the opposite effect. Well it looks like the divisionis already taking its toll, I can care less about the name honestly. I'll just call it Tully. Thank you Kulong for sharing this.

No problem.

I personally believe it SHOULD be named Saigon. If Vietnamese truly have that much influence over there then you guys deserve it. We already have enough buildings named after Caucasians, Latinos, and African-Americans. madgo.gif
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (Kulong @ Mar 12 2004, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 05:36 PM)
OH DEAR, my house is two minutes from this library, I don't know if this is going to help Vietnamese-Americans integrate into the larger San Jose community because the degree of Vietnamese influence in San Jose is quite strong but renaming the library for that sake makes it sound singular almost and instead of promoting awareness, there just might be the opposite effect. Well it looks like the divisionis already taking its toll, I can care less about the name honestly. I'll just call it Tully.  Thank you Kulong for sharing this.

No problem.

I personally believe it SHOULD be named Saigon. If Vietnamese truly have that much influence over there then you guys deserve it. We already have enough buildings named after Caucasians, Latinos, and African-Americans. madgo.gif

biggrin.gif Yes but it wouldn't be fair, I mean we just came and the whole city is Vietnamized, it's not really promoting anything you know, I think Vietnamese awareness is well established, no need for a library name to express that. Wow, I haven't heard anything about the news though, you're very ahead of me my friend. icon_smile.gif
Doan Du
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 07:03 PM)
QUOTE (Kulong @ Mar 12 2004, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 05:36 PM)
OH DEAR, my house is two minutes from this library, I don't know if this is going to help Vietnamese-Americans integrate into the larger San Jose community because the degree of Vietnamese influence in San Jose is quite strong but renaming the library for that sake makes it sound singular almost and instead of promoting awareness, there just might be the opposite effect. Well it looks like the divisionis already taking its toll, I can care less about the name honestly. I'll just call it Tully.  Thank you Kulong for sharing this.

No problem.

I personally believe it SHOULD be named Saigon. If Vietnamese truly have that much influence over there then you guys deserve it. We already have enough buildings named after Caucasians, Latinos, and African-Americans. madgo.gif

biggrin.gif Yes but it wouldn't be fair, I mean we just came and the whole city is Vietnamized, it's not really promoting anything you know, I think Vietnamese awareness is well established, no need for a library name to express that. Wow, I haven't heard anything about the news though, you're very ahead of me my friend. icon_smile.gif

You are minimizing Vietnamese contribution to Silicon Valley. Without us coming and resettling in the greater San Jose area in 1975, it would be hard (some say it's even impossible) for the electronic revolution to get its start in the valley.
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Mar 12 2004, 10:14 PM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 07:03 PM)
QUOTE (Kulong @ Mar 12 2004, 06:40 PM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 05:36 PM)
OH DEAR, my house is two minutes from this library, I don't know if this is going to help Vietnamese-Americans integrate into the larger San Jose community because the degree of Vietnamese influence in San Jose is quite strong but renaming the library for that sake makes it sound singular almost and instead of promoting awareness, there just might be the opposite effect. Well it looks like the divisionis already taking its toll, I can care less about the name honestly. I'll just call it Tully.  Thank you Kulong for sharing this.

No problem.

I personally believe it SHOULD be named Saigon. If Vietnamese truly have that much influence over there then you guys deserve it. We already have enough buildings named after Caucasians, Latinos, and African-Americans. madgo.gif

biggrin.gif Yes but it wouldn't be fair, I mean we just came and the whole city is Vietnamized, it's not really promoting anything you know, I think Vietnamese awareness is well established, no need for a library name to express that. Wow, I haven't heard anything about the news though, you're very ahead of me my friend. icon_smile.gif

You are minimizing Vietnamese contribution to Silicon Valley. Without us coming and resettling in the greater San Jose area in 1975, it would be hard (some say it's even impossible) for the electronic revolution to get its start in the valley.

Doan Du, I clearly said San Jose is heavily influenced by Vietnamese, I should know, everyone in my choir is an engineer of this sort or that, but MY MAIN POINT WASN'T ABOUT THAT, I was trying to say that there's clearly opposition already and the library has a name, it's not like it's a brand-new library, while it'd be nice to have the title New Saigon, it's not necessary because everyone knows the role of the community in SJ.
Doan Du
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 10:19 PM)
Doan Du, I clearly said San Jose is heavily influenced by Vietnamese, I should know, everyone in my choir is an engineer of this sort or that, but MY MAIN POINT WASN'T ABOUT THAT, I was trying to say that there's clearly opposition already and the library has a name, it's not like it's a brand-new library, while it'd be nice to have the title New Saigon, it's not necessary because everyone knows the role of the community in SJ.

I don't think so.

While we make up about 15% of the population of San Jose, we have very little political power and almost no influence on City Hall politics. Unlike down in LA where we own the town that bears the name Little Saigon, most Vietnamese in the San Jose area are trade professionals who are rather content with their work and a bowl of pho on the weekend. They don't get involved with the community, they don't voice their concern over anything that bothers them, they even fight among each other bitterly if I may add.

It's about time we get our act together and show some backbones.
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Mar 12 2004, 10:36 PM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 10:19 PM)

Doan Du, I clearly said San Jose is heavily influenced by Vietnamese, I should know, everyone in my choir is an engineer of this sort or that, but MY MAIN POINT WASN'T ABOUT THAT, I was trying to say that there's clearly opposition already and the library has a name, it's not like it's a brand-new library, while it'd be nice to have the title New Saigon, it's not necessary because everyone knows the role of the community in SJ.

I don't think so.

While we make up about 15% of the population of San Jose, we have very little political power and almost no influence on City Hall politics. Unlike down in LA where we own the town that bears the name Little Saigon, most Vietnamese in the San Jose area are trade professionals who are rather content with their work and a bowl of pho on the weekend. They don't get involved with the community, they don't voice their concern over anything that bothers them, they even fight among each other bitterly if I may add.

It's about time we get our act together and show some backbones.

We have plenty of backbones in SJ thank you very much, the So. VN flag is flying high over the city. The Vietnamese businesses are flourishing and there's plenty of Vietnamese in the high-tech industry. SOOOOOOO???? BIG DEAL. The Tully library already has a name, it's not necessary to rename it to New Sai Gon and split the SJ community even further away from other groups.
Doan Du
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 10:48 PM)
We have plenty of backbones in SJ thank you very much, the So. VN flag is flying high over the city. The Vietnamese businesses are flourishing and there's plenty of Vietnamese in the high-tech industry. SOOOOOOO???? BIG DEAL. The Tully library already has a name, it's not necessary to rename it to New Sai Gon and split the SJ community even further away from other groups.

Backbones?

What did we do when the police shot Tran thi Bich Cau to death in her own kitchen?

What did we do when the police came to arrest our senior citizens on open alcohol container violation in Lion Plaza (in retaliation for our criticism against police brutality in SJ)? The seniors have been enjoying beers, Viet newspapers and lunches in the courtyard since the opening of the mall in the mid 1980's. There were no prior incident of any kind in the area until the police came (with no complaint issuing) the week after the demonstration.

It seems like we can't admit we are a light weight.
dtb
Although it would be nice to have such a name, i don't think the library should be named "Saigon," because it's for the public and is by no means reserved for a particular ethnicity.
Doan Du
QUOTE (dtb @ Mar 12 2004, 11:05 PM)
Although it would be nice to have such a name, i don't think the library should be named "Saigon," because it's for the public and is by no means reserved for a particular ethnicity.

Huh? Many streets in San Jose are named after the white settlers who came to the area in the early days. John Tully is one example. King road is another.
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (dtb @ Mar 12 2004, 11:05 PM)
Although it would be nice to have such a name, i don't think the library should be named "Saigon," because it's for the public and is by no means reserved for a particular ethnicity.

I agree with you dtb, Doan Du, there's still a lot more political rights the Vietnamese people must acquire to strengthen our community in SJ, but renaming an already-existing library that has a name to New Sai Gon will excerbate the prejudice felt toward us. Furthermore, it's not fair, who is it to determine the name New Sai Gon when we haven't participated in any other causes besides those that affect Vietnamese people? Why should we be given the privilege when it's a public domain and the name will only signify one ethnic group and not the whole of the community?

Just because King Road and such were named after whites doesn't mean we have to follow in that same ridiculous step.
Doan Du
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 11:13 PM)
Doan Du, there's still a lot more political rights the Vietnamese people must acquire to strengthen our community in SJ, but renaming an already-existing library that has a name to New Sai Gon will excerbate the prejudice felt toward us.

Furthermore, it's not fair, who is it to determine the name New Sai Gon when we haven't participated in any other causes besides those that affect Vietnamese people? Sure, if it's a new library, I wouldn't mind, but this library has meaning to other communities that are there before us too. Why should we be given the privilege when it's a public domain and the name will only signify one ethnic group and not the whole of the community?

How is that going to excerbate the prejudice toward us? If anything, the name should highlight our place in San Jose and show that we are accepted by the mainstream. I know at least of two buildings (1 federal and 1 state) in Oakland named after Japanese-Americans. Japanese-Americans were rounded up and thrown in concentration camps during WWII.

We haven't participated in any other causes? You have got to be kidding. Without the steady hands and hand-eye coordination of the Vietnamese, many electronic components couldn't be put together in the 1970's and 80's. Show me an electronic fab in San Jose that doesn't have a Vietnamese equipment engineer. Show me someone who knows how to troubleshoot Intel equipment at board level and I'll show you a guy who likes pho.
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Mar 12 2004, 11:33 PM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 11:13 PM)
Doan Du, there's still a lot more political rights the Vietnamese people must acquire to strengthen our community in SJ, but renaming an already-existing library that has a name to New Sai Gon will excerbate the prejudice felt toward us.

Furthermore, it's not fair, who is it to determine the name New Sai Gon when we haven't participated in any other causes besides those that affect Vietnamese people? Sure, if it's a new library, I wouldn't mind, but this library has meaning to other communities that are there before us too. Why should we be given the privilege when it's a public domain and the name will only signify one ethnic group and not the whole of the community?

How is that going to excerbate the prejudice toward us? If anything, the name should highlight our place in San Jose and show that we are accepted by the mainstream. I know at least of two buildings (1 federal and 1 state) in Oakland named after Japanese-Americans. Japanese-Americans were rounded up and thrown in concentration camps during WWII.

We haven't participated in any other causes? You have got to be kidding. Without the steady hands and hand-eye coordination of the Vietnamese, many electronic components couldn't be put together in the 1970's and 80's. Show me an electronic fab in San Jose that doesn't have a Vietnamese equipment engineer. Show me someone who knows how to troubleshoot Intel equipment at board level and I'll show you a guy who likes pho.

I meant community causes, we have our place in the market business, and high-tech industries but a library represents community spirit, do you think Vietnamese have been avid supporters of Latinos and other groups' causes? I know, I do want this library to be named Tully-New Sai Gon but it's not fair to me somehow.
Doan Du
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 11:38 PM)
I meant community causes, we have our place in the market business, and high-tech industries but a library represents community spirit, do you think Vietnamese have been avid supporters of Latinos and other groups' causes? I know, I do want this library to be named Tully-New Sai Gon but it's not fair to me somehow.

Why should participating on other groups' cause be a requirement? That's just ridiculeous...

The Latinos were never fond of us nor have they been fair to us on anything. They are never known for fair play. In fact, there were a lot of resentment against us because we came and displaced them from their neighborhoods. They also could not understand why we are able to build wealth in such a short time whereas they struggle for their meals everyday.

If we don't fight to get that recognition now, the future looks bleak for us. The Latino population is growing very fast. It does not take a genius to figure that in another 10 years, they will be the majority who dictates what goes on the nameplate.
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Mar 13 2004, 12:11 AM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 12 2004, 11:38 PM)

I meant community causes, we have our place in the market business, and high-tech industries but a library represents community spirit, do you think Vietnamese have been avid supporters of Latinos and other groups' causes? I know, I do want this library to be named Tully-New Sai Gon but it's not fair to me somehow.

Why should participating on other groups' cause be a requirement? That's just ridiculeous...

The Latinos were never fond of us nor have they been fair to us on anything. They are never known for fair play. In fact, there were a lot of resentment against us because we came and displaced them from their neighborhoods. They also could not understand why we are able to build wealth in such a short time whereas they struggle for their meals everyday.

If we don't fight to get that recognition now, the future looks bleak for us. The Latino population is growing very fast. It does not take a genius to figure that in another 10 years, they will be the majority who dictates what goes on the nameplate.

From the sound of it, I take it that you are from San Jose, I haven't heard anything about this because I'm still in La Jolla but I was wondering if you know what our community think of it so far? Has there been anything on the Vietnamese radio, newspaper?
I would be proud if it's named Tully-New Sai Gon, but at the same time, I'd like to recognize other communities too, and it doesn't matter how they feel toward us or us toward them, in light of so much history for all groups, I would just like it to be fair, something that would highlight SJ's diversity. Maybe Tully-Diversity Library or something like that...yeah! biggrin.gif
Doan Du
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 13 2004, 12:25 AM)
From the sound of it, I take it that you are from San Jose, I haven't heard anything about this because I'm still in La Jolla but I was wondering if you know what our community think of it so far? Has there been anything on the Vietnamese radio, newspaper?
I would be proud if it's named Tully-New Sai Gon, but at the same time, I'd like to recognize other communities too, and it doesn't matter how they feel toward us or us toward them, in light of so much history for all groups, I would just like it to be fair, something that would highlight SJ's diversity. Maybe Tully-Diversity Library or something like that...yeah! biggrin.gif

I used to live in San Jose. I am in SF now but will be moving to Switzerland soon.

I haven't heard anything on the news yet regarding that matter. I think our community would welcome the name New Saigon Library/Tully Branch.
drunk_on_tea
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Mar 13 2004, 01:24 AM)
QUOTE (drunk_on_tea @ Mar 13 2004, 12:25 AM)

From the sound of it, I take it that you are from San Jose, I haven't heard anything about this because I'm still in La Jolla but I was wondering if you know what our community think of it so far? Has there been anything on the Vietnamese radio, newspaper?
I would be proud if it's named Tully-New Sai Gon, but at the same time, I'd like to recognize other communities too, and it doesn't matter how they feel toward us or us toward them, in light of so much history for all groups, I would just like it to be fair, something that would highlight SJ's diversity. Maybe Tully-Diversity Library or something like that...yeah!  biggrin.gif

I used to live in San Jose. I am in SF now but will be moving to Switzerland soon.

I haven't heard anything on the news yet regarding that matter. I think our community would welcome the name New Saigon Library/Tully Branch.

I spoke to my mom today about this libary and she said it looks as though the consensus leaned toward Tully-New Sai Gon and it will be official after the next meeting. The library is supposed to be pretty big in comparison to other SJ libraries (with the exception of Martin Luther King Jr. library downtown). Can't wait to see its completion, hopefully it won't spark any anti-Vietnamese resentment because of the name. icon_neutral.gif
herosword
Seems like a good compromise. That part in the article about it being culturally insensitive to recruit people for the neighbor association because the recruiting is done on buddhist grounds, seems a bit annal. I hope more Vietanamese join that assoiciation. We need to work with other minorities to help build a better community, not fight each other.



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While we make up about 15% of the population of San Jose, we have very little political power and almost no influence on City Hall politics. Unlike down in LA where we own the town that bears the name Little Saigon, most Vietnamese in the San Jose area are trade professionals who are rather content with their work and a bowl of pho on the weekend. They don't get involved with the community, they don't voice their concern over anything that bothers them, they even fight among each other bitterly if I may add.


How many Vietnamese vote? How many actually care about politics besides the South Vietnamese veterns. Normal Vietnamese have the curse of most Asians: we are politically apathetic. Of course, we should work to change that, but we don't deserve anything until we take an active role in the democratic process of this country. Sometimes, I am ashamed of being Vietnamese because so many of our people are docile or ignorant on the great issues of the day. Perhaps the second generation Vietnamese will be better informed and care more; it's their livlihood at stake. South Vietnam's soldiers gave their lives for democracy in Vietnam, and here in America where those rights that were fought for can be freely exercised, many of their countrymen squander it away; it's sad.
jenny2004
Seeing as I am a Librarian I found this quite interesting...
Library's are usually named to honor, remember or of dedication to a specific person, group of people, or an event.
Or...to whoever the donors are that have given funds.
If the majority of the friends of the library who do fundraising and promote library services are Vietnamese, then it would make sense that the library would recognize them.
Jenny
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