ranmatatsumaru
Mar 11 2004, 10:17 PM
I think I may have solved (or not!) the debate of whether the Vietnamese language is closer related to Cantonese Chinese or Mon-Khmer.
These are the Vietnamese numbers (correct me if I'm wrong native speakers):
1=nhẩt, 2=nhì, 3=tam, 4=tú’, 5=ngũ, 6=lục, 7=thất, 8=bát, 9=củ’u, 10=thập
Here are the romanized Cantonese numbers (correct me if I'm wrong):
1=yat, 2=yi6, 3=saam1, 4=sei3, 5=ng5, 6=luk6, 7=chat1, 8=baat3, 9=gau2, 10=sap6
Here is an attempt to romanize the Khmer numbers (correct me if I'm wrong):
1=muoi, 2=bi, 3=bai, 4=boeon, 5=brran, 6=braamuoi, 7=brrampi, 8=brrambai, 9=brramboeon
The Khmer number system is based on 5 and the digits stop at 9. Looks to me like Vietnamese much more resembles Cantonese than Khmer.
Anybody else have ideas?
Kulong
Mar 11 2004, 10:19 PM
That's very interesting. Good job
ranmatatsumaru
Mar 11 2004, 10:22 PM
Thanks, Kulong!
直隸總督
Mar 11 2004, 10:28 PM
Chinese numbers
1= 一 ,2=二 , 3=三, 4=四 , 5=五, 6=六, 7=七, 8=八, 9=九, 10=十
one = 壹, two=貳, three=參, four=肆, five=伍, six=陸, seven=柒, eight=捌, nine=玖, ten= 拾
supernovasp
Mar 11 2004, 10:33 PM
that's sino-viet....
Sino-Viet. nhâ't nhi tam tú' ngu~ luc thâ't bát cu|'u thâp
Vietnamese môt hai ba bô'n nâm sáu ba|y tám chín mu'ò'i
Saigon mok. hay ba bóng nâm s,áw bây tám cín mï`y
Muong môc5 hal2 ba2 bôn3 tam2 khaw3 baj4 sam3 cin3 mu'o'l1
Menikani
Mar 11 2004, 10:33 PM
Cantonese numbers:
1=yat, 2=yi6, 3=saam1, 4=sei3, 5=ng5, 6=luk6, 7=chat1, 8=baat3, 9=gau2, 10=sap6
Khmer nubmers:
10=dop, 20=brrampei, 30=saam, 40=sei, 50=ha, 60=hulk, 70=chet, 80=baat, 90=gau, 100=marouy
ranmatatsumaru
Mar 11 2004, 10:41 PM
Very interesting, Menikani!
Are you Khmer? (Don't have to answer if you don't want to)
Menikani
Mar 11 2004, 10:44 PM
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 11 2004, 11:41 PM)
Very interesting, Menikani!
Are you Khmer? (Don't have to answer if you don't want to)
Why would'nt I want to answer? Yes I am Khmer.
Here are the Thai numbers if you are intrested:
0=soon, 1=neung, 2=sorng, 3=sahm, 4=see, 5=hah, 6=hok, 7=jet, 8=bpairt, 9=gao, 10=sip
ranmatatsumaru
Mar 11 2004, 10:52 PM
Thanks, Menikani! I am interested! Would you happen to know the Lao numbers too?
QUOTE
Why would'nt I want to answer? Yes I am Khmer.
That's how I feel too but some people don't like to reveal their ethnicity.
Menikani
Mar 11 2004, 10:54 PM
Nope, I do not know the Laos number.
ranmatatsumaru
Mar 11 2004, 10:58 PM
The digits for Thai and Lao numbers are almost identical so the pronunciations are probably quite similar.
DAI_VIET
Mar 11 2004, 11:02 PM
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 11 2004, 11:17 PM)
I think I may have solved (or not!) the debate of whether the Vietnamese language is closer related to Cantonese Chinese or Mon-Khmer.
These are the Vietnamese numbers (correct me if I'm wrong native speakers):
1=nhẩt, 2=nhì, 3=tam, 4=tú’, 5=ngũ, 6=lục, 7=thất, 8=bát, 9=củ’u, 10=thập
Here are the romanized Cantonese numbers (correct me if I'm wrong):
1=yat, 2=yi6, 3=saam1, 4=sei3, 5=ng5, 6=luk6, 7=chat1, 8=baat3, 9=gau2, 10=sap6
Here is an attempt to romanize the Khmer numbers (correct me if I'm wrong):
1=muoi, 2=bi, 3=bai, 4=boeon, 5=brran, 6=braamuoi, 7=brrampi, 8=brrambai, 9=brramboeon
The Khmer number system is based on 5 and the digits stop at 9. Looks to me like Vietnamese much more resembles Cantonese than Khmer.
Anybody else have ideas?
Those are Chử Nôm numbers. Here are daily life Vietnamese numbers
1 = một
2 = hai
3 = ba
4 = bốn
5 = năm
6 = sáu
7 = bảy
8 = tám
9 = chín
10 = mười
ranmatatsumaru
Mar 11 2004, 11:38 PM
Are the Chử-Nôm numbers ever used?
DAI_VIET
Mar 11 2004, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 12 2004, 12:38 AM)
Are the Chử-Nôm numbers ever used?
Vietnamese use their regular numbers in math, and other topics a lot. The Chu Nom numbers are used as well, even in regular convesation, but not a lot.
Kulong
Mar 11 2004, 11:44 PM
Shouldn't it be called Han-Viet numbers and not Chu Nom numbers? There are Chu Nom for native-Viet numbers: mo hai, ba... etc. too.
Korean also has two counting systems, Han-Korean and native-Korean. I'm not sure about Japanese but I wouldn't be surprise if they do too.
DAI_VIET
Mar 11 2004, 11:54 PM
QUOTE (Kulong @ Mar 12 2004, 12:44 AM)
Shouldn't it be called Han-Viet numbers and not Chu Nom numbers? There are Chu Nom for native-Viet numbers: mo hai, ba... etc. too.
Korean also has two counting systems, Han-Korean and native-Korean. I'm not sure about Japanese but I wouldn't be surprise if they do too.
Oops, yah... Chu Nom are the native language. Sorry.
ranmatatsumaru
Mar 12 2004, 12:05 AM
QUOTE
Korean also has two counting systems, Han-Korean and native-Korean. I'm not sure about Japanese but I wouldn't be surprise if they do too.
Sino-Japanese numbers:
ichi, ni, san, shi, go, roku, shichi, hachi, ku/kyū, jū
Native Japanese numbers:
hito, futa, mi, yon/yo, itsu, mui, nana/nano, yō, kokono, tō
You were right, Kulong!
tqt
Mar 12 2004, 12:57 AM
QUOTE
0=soon, 1=neung, 2=sorng, 3=sahm, 4=see, 5=hah, 6=hok, 7=jet, 8=bpairt, 9=gao, 10=sip
These sound so........ "Cantonese"
WhoAmI
Mar 15 2004, 04:35 PM
Interesting infos.
ranmatatsumaru
Mar 15 2004, 11:26 PM
Hmong numbers romanized (Hmong Green):
1=i, 2=aw, 3=bei, 4=blao, 5=ch'i, 6=jao, 7=hyan, 8=yi, 9=gyo, 10=(sorry! I forgot!)
I didn't use the Hmong writing system (don't know it) but rather phoenetically wrote the sounds.
I wonder, where do their numbers come from?
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Nov 12 2008, 07:23 PM
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