so i was informed that there are some tendsions between vietnamese people and chinese people, but how Vietnamese people tend to see chinese viets, and how do chinese people sees chinese viets?
like i know a chinese viet, speaks chinese (canto) and a little viet, parents are from viet, but chinese heritage. But chinese people calling him vietnamese and vietnamese just vietnamese. But how is that in ''general''?

I see the Chinese as being a lot more superstitious than the Vietnamese.

I'm a Chinese guy whose dad is from Vietnam. We only speak Vietnamese at home. My grandma taught me our Chinese dialect when I was little, but we never use it so I forgot.

So what are you asking exactly??

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Well...after the VietCongs took over, and after Ho died, the Vietnamese Gov. started harassing ethnic Chinese, kicking them out of Vietnam.
I guess they were merchants and capitalists. But damn. Relax.

coz the chinese dont wanna become citizens, so they left...good riddance

didnt the chinese try to invade Vietnam after the Vietnam war...? i wouldnt be surprised if the VC hated on the chinese near the border...

if your family are from vietnam but u have chinese blood in you than u are chinese from vietnam. alot of my friends who are full chinese but came from vietnam and speak viet claims that they are full viet which i don't think is right

There;s a whole S*** load of Chinese/Viets at my work includeing myself, no problems at all.

There's a pure Viet guy at my work, & he gets along especially with 1 Chinese woman...they communicate in broken english together. No problems at all.

because the Chinese attacked us in 1979, and the stubborn Chinese in Vietnam wont learn to become a Vietnamese citizen, who would like someone who speaks another language in ur house when they are actually living there ??

Why don't you want them to be Vietnamese ? They are Vietnamese as long as they can speak Vietnam, understand vietnamese traditions and love Vietnam, contributing to VN's properity and willing to defend their homeland which is VN.

Chinese rooted people in Vn are part of the Vietnamese ethnic mosaic.

Does anyone know what happened to some of the Chinese in Vietnam in the late 70s? Were they encouraged to leave or forced to leave and whether that happened after China attacked Vietnam or before? Not all Chinese left because they are still the largest minority in Vietnam.

As for the question of where an ethnic Chinese stands in Vietnamese society, I think that's entirely up to that person. If he/she thinks he's more of a Vietnamese than Chinese then he/she is a Vietnamese. If that person thinks he/she is more of a Chinese, then that person is Chinese. There's nothing wrong with that!

I say usually say I am Chinese but my family is from Vietnam.

I never say I am Vietnamese even though I can only speak Vietnamese and no Chinese.

It might be different if I didn't look so NE Asian. People assume I am Korean or Japanese.

In the past, there were constant struggles among the Vietnamese about accepting their identity as Han Chinese. The Yue in Guangdong did repel but they were not successful. There were times of the Yue who agreed to be with the Chinese but they lost in the battles. Guangdong was much closer to Beijing and Vietnam is much further South.

The Vietnamese King, Nguyen Hue, tried to conquer Guangdong and Guangxi to unite the Nan Yue but he died at early age. I guess the tendency is that Vietnamese rather join with the South provinces than with the North.


I remember somewhere that there was a chinese general with surname of "nguyen" who controlled the nam viet region after the tang dynasty collapsed (before the collapse, he was a chinese working for the government), are all those vietnamese with surname of "nguyen" his descendents ? Nguyen is the largest surname in vietnam.

Some of you may not aware that Vietnamese had used Chinese characters since the Chinese occupation until recently the Romanization of Quoc Ngu (Guo Yu) 1954 became popular because the Chinese characters were so hard and the Chinese characters could not be used with the Westerners because the Westerners were dominating Asia, including China. Why did they follow to the Chinese when the Chinese were inferior to the Westerners at that time.

Some even said that while walking in an old street in Vietnam, you would have a feeling of walking in a street in Guangdong.

The reason why Nguyêñ is the most widespread family name is the fatc of the last dynasty: In VN, if you want to gain favour from the ruling govn, you'd better to adopt the reigning family name, it is also a honour the king grants to benefactors... A lot of Cham, Khmer and Chinese ethnics adopted this family name in order to enjoy a relative peace from the reigning dynasty.

that explain why Nguyêñ is more frequent in central and south VN than in the North.

Seriously, if you pay attention and listen to the conversation that Chinese-Vietnamese talking, they would some time mix up three languages English, Vietnamese, mostly Cantonese( or other chinese dialects) into their conversation. I think it quite interesting.

Your version of history is full of fallacies.

I have a Chinese friend that was born in Vietnam but now living in US. He totally denies his Chinese heritage and even said "I rather consider myself as Vietnamese than Chinese". He got really pissed off if someone make fun at him bout his heritage.

Đâ't lành chim đậu . That testifies how friendly we are towards those who want to share our common fate, ann to make VN a better place to live and to love.

I wonder if we can generalize that most Chinese Vietnamese consider themselves Vietnamese ?

Quôc' Ngu*~ is well known before 1954: My grand mother learned it since he was young , and she was born well before 1954 .

Tướng Tàu họ Nguyễn sau thời nhà đường ??? Tàu đâu có họ Nguyễn đâu ! Thằng chó này nói sạo !

nghe may thang ta`u lam con me. gi` !! tu.i no' dde? ra la` dde^? no'i xa.o ma`

Chinese-Vietnamese, I guess. Like how I'm not just Canadian, but Chinese-Canadian.



I agree.

lolz, they didnt noi' xao. They jus deduced from their poor knowledges

Well, i see most Chinese-Vietnamese distancing themselves from the Vietnamese and often stereotyping them. Isn't there even an area in Vietnam with mostly Chinese people? I'm aware of the fact that there are a few schools for Chinese ethnics in Vietnam too (teaching in Chinese; but they could be closed down by now). My friend's grandmother is an ethnic Chinese who was born in Vietnam and for some reason, she can't speak any Vietnamese at all. Same goes with her entire family. I wonder why this is? I would have thought that they should be able to speak both Chinese (whatever the dialect, or multiple dialects) in ADDITION to Vietnamese.

Although, i have also met a few Chinese-Vietnamese who associate themselves with the Vietnamese only. But for the most part, from what i see, the Chinese ethnics try to keep their own culture alive.

Overall i see two types of Vietnamse-born Chinese:
1) the ones who dislike Vietnamese people and forbid their kids from marrying a Vietnamese or even hanging out with them.
2) the ones who love Vietnamese people and regard themselves as one whilst denying their chinese heritage.

Generally though, Vietnamese-born Chinese people shouldn't be spoken about behind their backs 'cause they can usually understand Cantonese, Mandarin, their own Chinese dialect/s and Vietnamese...sometimes they can speak Cambodian too 2

lolz, em noi nghe co`n na(.ng ho*n la no'i xa.o nu*~a 2

It doesn't really matter.

The recorded history of Vietnam (Dai Viet) began in year 207 BC. However, Vietnamese legends trace the Vietnamese ancestors down the eighteen lines of Hung kings who ruled vast realms covering southern China and Northern Vietnam today. Supported by archaeological findings of sophisticated Bronze Age Dong Son civilization and sporadic Chinese records of earlier times, the evidence dates the foundation of the kingdom of Van Lang to 2874 BC. Evidence indicates the existence of non-Chinese writing system prior to year 2000 BC in the form of what Chinese records called "Khoa Dau Tu" carved on the shell of a three metre-wide turtle thought to have lived 1000 years brought to China from Van Lang together with a white pheasant as tribute. Bronze age objects found in Vietnam and southern China also have similar writing but the meanings were long lost.

http://www.geocities.com/nguyenphucdynasty...ryofNguyen.html

1st paragraph from that site, is similiar to my post.

Southern China meaning GuangXi, GuangDong, Yunnan provinces & Northern Vietnam of course...what the paragraph is related to.

But regarding this topic, i find outside of these forums that the Viet & Chinese or Chinese/Viets get along fine, my work place proves that to me also with a vast majority of them both peoples.

The ethnic Chinese people in Vietnam & Cambodia...r the ones who have successful family buisnesses & r the "richer people". They settle in the urban dwellings & open up shops.

Thus the hardcore Vietnamese & Cambodian people does not stand too much of this.

Although the different ethics groups get along for the most part, the Vietnamese tend to show antipathy towards the dominance ethnic Chinese have in the national economy. To further aggravate the situation, the hardcore Vietnamese tend to be wary of China for their past domination in various parts of the country and take it out occasionally on the Chinese citizens of Vietnam.

Alot of ethnic Chinese from Vietnam are actually at an unfortunate crossroads from what I've seen. Alot of Chinese especially racist nationalistic Chinese don't consider Chinese Vietnamese as Chinese because they see them as people who've been contaminated with foreign blood which is unfortunate because they're basically bashing their own brothers. I've noticed that Ethnic Chinese from Vietnam are A) More Chinese and prouder of their Chinese side or B) See themselves as Vietnamese. Part A usually refers to the ones that speak Cantonese whereas part B is almost strictly Vietnamese.

The ethnic chinese dominates Vietnam's economy? lol. The one who dominate Vietnam's economy are the ruling elites and the Catholics, not ethnic chinese.

What kind of Vietnamese that only speak Chinese even though they live there for generations. What kind of Vietnamese that help the Chinese invader in 1979 to killing thier own country men.Even though we as a nation welcome them with open arms in time of need, from ancient time to seek asylum, from world war 2 to escape Japanese's agression. Even though they have wronged us in 1979, we were still nice enough to give them a change to become cirizen in order the prove thier loyalty. How dare they go online and complain why we kicked them out simple because we're "jealous" of their culture and success.Vietnamese! I said we deport these "negrito" abusing, advantage taking, ungrateful PEOPLE out!!


nahh I changed my mind, let bring them out to face the firesquad....

Actually in 1979 we gave them a chance to stay or leave and about 50% of them left and the rest stayed.

Like i said, Vietnamese would never be jealous with the ethnic chinese because the richest class in Vietnam are the politician ruling elites and the Catholics.

yup yup those who dont want to becomes citizen can leave and .5 of them did just that

Those Chinese who live in VN, benefitting from Vietnamese kindness but refuses to accomplish their duties: they don't want to learn Vietnamese thus they can't have any Vietnamese ID paper, they have no contact with vietnameses people, never put a foot outside their home, spending their life in some dark workshops producing conterfeit goods, false medicines and making part of criminal organisations. Those deserve to be deported because they are just parasites !

In my area, the police has discovered a countefeit luxurious fragance traffick network involving Chineses nationals and chinese born French : two big cargo containers of Chanel N°5 perfume flasks made in Guangdong China !!!

In the meanwhile, there are also Vietnamo Chinese who got involved into citizenship while not denying their chinese roots.

wow! how cool! do u have ne pics of those ancient vietnamese wiritings? i thought the viets just use the chinese writing system..........

I'm a bit shaky on some Chinese history but wasn't Southern China aka Guangzhou, Yunnan, Guangxi etc. originally inhabited by SEA Asian tribes that were heavily related to Vietnamese people? Is that why many Cantonese have darker skinned features? Does it mean that alot of Cantonese today are actually sinicized Viets?

Nope, not really. You're right that Southern China was land once occupied by ancient Southeast Asian tribes but as a Cantonese, my ancestors were actually the majority Han migrants from north who came and expanded/colonized/displaced the aboriginal peoples that lived in Southern China the same way Europeans did with Native Americans. I mean seriously, how do you colonize another group of people? It's not like you simply invade and migrate and then convert the aboriginal peoples by telling them to do so. It was always a very bloody process that involved alot of war. I mean of course some of the aboriginals stayed and assimilated but enough to make a huge dent on the population? No and it's also not like darker skinned features is specifically limited to SE ASians or people people related to them. Saying that because Southern China was once inhabited by aboriginals related to SE Asians so therefore all modern day Southern Chinese are actually descendants of those people is like saying all white Americans today trace their ancestry to Native Americans because they currently inhabit the land that once belonged to them. The Southern Han Chinese today are SIGNIFICANTLY far more related to the Han migrants than they are to the aboriginals.

ummm yes , vietnamese were taught chinese up until the french raped them and made them think they are completely seperate from us han chinese.

the same thing is going on in taiwan , the us and japan are raping them.

omg david chen ur such a babe i hope to meet a person like u in real life but its so damn rare they are all japanophiles pisses me off hahah ur so funny gimme ur butt meat

anyway why are the symbols above our post counts in chinese characters? u know the "AF addict O一二三四五六七八"

By nationality, they are definitely belonged to vietnam.

I would consider myself as Australian if I apply for Aust. nationality.

yeah man, dont u find it annoying. That's why we call them ta`u cho*. lo*'n. The BS thing is that they have a Chinese school in Vietnam. We would just kick them out man, but then they gonna say " you are jealous of our culture so u kick us out " .... hahaha right. I used to get mad when other race call asians ch!nk, chinaman, stupid chinese but not anymore, i mean whats the point when even them dont like us and because we are jealous of their culture ..... sigh 2

Chinese in Vietnam are known for their successes in businesses. And I have to admit that their success in the past led to resentment from the Vietnamese, especially during the time of the French and it took place in southern Vietnam only. At that time, the Chinese controlled the rice trade around the Mekong Delta and whoever controlled the rice trade controlled the political power. The Chinese were also very good at dealing with the colonial government and thus enjoyed the kind of privileges not extended to most Vietnamese. So, the Vietnamese saw the Chinese as an extension of the French so the hatred of the Vietnamese towards the French was also extended to the Chinese.

Another anti-Chinese wave occured in the late 70s around the time of the Chinese invasion, but that was not the only reason. Another reason was that the Communists were trying to destroy the upper class and since many Chinese along with Vietnamese belonged in this class, so their properties were taken away. However, the Vietnamese Communist government allowed the Chinese to freely leave the country, whereas the Vietnamese were not.

Hell yeah man, all they do is take take take from us. They take our lands, stole our culture, pollute our genes pool. They infested us with sars, chicken flu, bird flu, pig flu, possume flu, fish flu, hell you name it. Through out history Chinese killed the most Vietnamese since they keep invading us, hell they even betrayed us while living in OUR LAND. Even right now they are taking advantage of us by exploiting our women, (not only that they called them hoes), taking our lands and sea (they claimed the whole south china sea as thiers) AND YET we dont hate them and move on to live our daily life, being the better man with kind heart and all. They still have this notion they we are jealous of them and should thank them for thier "kindness".

Where is my Chinese brethren, come closer let me "thank you", haha.

Chinese and Vietnamese get along just fine in life for as long as politics is not involved. The two governments unfortunately cannot and I fear that even with the recently signed border treaty in which Vietnam was the loser, there's no telling that the Chinese will honor that. The area out in the sea where there's supposed to be lots of oil is still in dispute but the Chinese has already laid claim on it and enforced it with their Navy. American company oil's ships doing the drilling out there are always protected by Chinese Navy. Sooner or later, the Chinese will take over the whole thing when their economy demands oil that cannot be supplied elsewhere.

so we have two choices;

Should we focus on our economy and keeping the peace but lose more lands and seas (or possibily get swallowed whole).
Or
We can massively produce nuclear weapons to defend ourselves and lands, but as a result we will not achieve propserity and further more our people will starve due to embargo and isolation from the rest of the world.
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It looks pretty bad, not only for us but for Cambodia as well. The more the Chinese pushes us the deeper we will go into Cambodian soil.

Yet another dark chapter of our history...

It is a dilemma. Let's go with nukes because clearly Vietnamese can feed ourselves. We produce more than enough rice. What good is material wealth when we don't have a country to call our own. Besides, everybody knows there will be a nuclear war sooner or later and I say it's better for Vietnam to go down with its enemies than to go down alone. Yey, get nukes!

For every success chinese in Vietnam and there are ten thousands sucess Vietnamese, what's the big deal? During the war, those who played the dominant role in the economy were the ruling South Vietnam politicians and the millions of elites Catholics who migrated from the North in 1945 and 1954. The Catholics of the North were extremely wealthy and owned large chunck of land that's why they were persecuted constantly by the Communists. During the late 1970's when the communists wanted to get rid of the wealthy class, the Catholics and other Vietnamese suffered the most, not the ethnic chinese!

ethnic Chinese should be labelled Chinese-Vietnamese because they are Vietnamese with Chinese blood but no longer have direct ties with mainland China.