DO NOT REPLY TO ANY OF ROCKHEART'S TOPICS IN THE VIET SECTION. HE IS A DUMBASS WHO WANTS TO MAKE VIETNAMESE ANGRY AND NEVER TO COMMENT ON HIS TOPIC AGAIN.


MODS, PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THIS TOPIC. THANK YOU.

Thanks for the warning.

I am sick and tired of some of the Khmers in this AF. All they talk about is getting land back to the Khmer people, trashing Vietnamese, especially that bastard by the username of RockHeart. Please DO NOT reply to that topic, because we will fall to his trap.

Whoops too late I did. Ok I'll stop replying to his topics now.

I cannot believe the degree of narrow-mindedness not just with rockheart but in the Cambodian section, DAI VIET started a peace topic, WhoAmI, Byron and I tried to discuss the situation and learn more about it and we are called ignorant and rascists. They complain about wanting their land back and would resort to force, we tried offering them alternatives seeing as how force might not be a good idea and again, we're racists and ignorant.

Oh well, try to keep the peace guys.

Yah, I was thinking of posting a "discussing embargo" on the Khmers. Meaning that all Viets should not go to their section again and discuss with them, because every topic turns to be the same topic: "Why do you Vietnamese this, why do Vietnamese that, and so on..."


<<<sigh>>>

Pol Pot hated Vietnamese and his hate grew until he became murderous.

That was what I was thinking too DAI VIET but I thought it'd be wrong to tell other Vietnamese not to go into that section but I know for myself, I am not going to that chat section again. It's not that I'm against anything, it's just that I tried to help and it blew up in my face.

Exactly, I made that topic in the Khmer section so that us Vietnamese can learn the good things between Vietnamese and Khmers, instead of knowing all the astrocities between the two cultures. But they backfired us, and so...

Yeah. i know what you mean drunk_on_tea. funny how narrow-minded some of them are when they accuse us for being this or that. and some keep refering to us as "you guys" as if we had control of Vietnam government. not to mention the over-reacting, highly sensitive, ego maniac. but oh well, i dont plan on wasting my time and engery responding to his spew of nonsense anyways. i got better things to do than argue with some one i dont even know.

Whats really sad is that ive seen this kind of stuff from other cambodian message boards before. I think Byron knows and seen this stuff too. most of the time vietnamese arent even welcome to discuss and i remember reading one Viet/Khmer girl who tried to reason with them but they kept bashing her for being part Vietnamese.. hatred skews their judgements.

Yah, I don't know where Byron knows all these kinds of discussions within the Khmer people, but he certainly was right when he posted that link on AF. I never noticed that some Khmers really hate Vietnam that much. My dad told me that Khmers hate Vietnamese, but I never seen or read anything until I came to this forum.

I like your signature WhoAmI.

Wow WhoAmI I didn't know it was such a problem, I didn't even know there's a large Cambodian population living in South Vietnam. I was really bothered when *you know who I'm talking about* bashed on you and DAI VIET for trying to reasonably discuss about this issue. I mean for a Vietnamese-American like myself, I had no idea about this problem until now and since it's regarding Vietnamese land, it's a topic that involves me to, I love my country and would like it to be in peace. So, I tried offering an alternative solution to them and he called me ignorant and that it's annoying him. How can you get down to an issue if you can't even get respect? If I had an issue, I would try to win as much support as I can, but I guess some people just can't see that. I'm done with that section.

According to the official Khmer population count by the Vietnam government there are only 1 million Cambodians in Vietnam anyway.

Please do considered your post? Unless you afraid to response and you can hold your door shut. Your inhumane treatment to our people fuel our rage. If you truly want peace then allow Khmer Krom people to have the same rights as your people. Why border to forbid Khmer Krom to learn langauge, practice our traditional dress if you are superior? You can't reason with us? Why? With all of your claim to be able to conquer Cambodia anytime, anywhere, would that fuel something? Is it true? Don't compare Pol Pot to the Cambodian people my friend.

Anyway, have fun with your secrety post.....if you think i am in the wrong place then think again...with all your claimed about Khmer people in this post. I have every right to response. Afraid to reason?

Thay_

to thay,

dai_viet and .co aren't responsible for anything that has happened to your people, they're trying to get along with the khmers and doesn't seem to be working, b/c of some stubborn members or just odd ones..like Rockheart

anyways..this topic was suppose to be directed at RockHeart

To Tetsu,

dai_viet and .co aren't responsible for anything that has happened to your people, they're trying to get along with the khmers and doesn't seem to be working, b/c of some stubborn members or just odd ones..like Rockheart

Tetsu, allow me to introduce myself. I am FKR, one of the visiting contributors in the Khmer chat forum. Though you are entitled to make your own conclusion, I only wish that you would be honorable to yourself by considering all the facts from all sides first instead of basing everything on just one sided, biased, self-interest- serving view.

If you are interested, I would like to invite you to read the topic entitled "Relationships between Viets and Khmer". Due to its "popularity", the replies take up up to 6 pages. There you would find all the facts that you can use to form your conclusion.

I have exchanged my various views with all of these Vietnamese posters ranging from Dai Viet to WhoAmI to Drunk On Tea to Bryon to Doan Du. I actually had to step out of my role as an observe to stand up to the despicable, perjorative, immoral, racist, insolent messages from some of them. All I had done was to take exactly what they said that then comment on it based on human values. Some of these posters chose not to be responsible for the unacceptable comments that they made, and as a result they will encounter negative reactions from others ---- not just the Khmer posters.

It is my hope that you will maintain your honor as a human being.
FKR

Wow WhoAmI I didn't know it was such a problem, I didn't even know there's a large Cambodian population living in South Vietnam. I was really bothered when *you know who I'm talking about* bashed on you and DAI VIET for trying to reasonably discuss about this issue. I mean for a Vietnamese-American like myself, I had no idea about this problem until now and since it's regarding Vietnamese land, it's a topic that involves me to, I love my country and would like it to be in peace. So, I tried offering an alternative solution to them and he called me ignorant and that it's annoying him. How can you get down to an issue if you can't even get respect? If I had an issue, I would try to win as much support as I can, but I guess some people just can't see that. I'm done with that section.

Drunk On Tea, I didn't check the date stamps, but I assume that what you said above before your peace-seeking message to me. I have no purpose in playing you-say-I-say game. If you want to drop it at this point, so will I. If you have not noticed about me, I only seek responsiblity and fairness from others and myself. I consistently ask various people to prove their points. I simply don't resort to this tactic called "you-say-I-say" mentality. I try my best to reason from the existing reality. It is the reality that I will leave you with.

(1) I never "bash" WhoAmI as you claimed.

(2) I never "bash" Dai Viet. However, I demanded that he must be responsible for his comments which clearly "racist" based on common human decency.

(3) Regarding you, Drunk On Tea, I specifically used the word "ignorance" to describe your general knowledge of the people in South Vietnam. Despite your claim that you are just a Vietnamese-American, in your post you spoke really well, sharing about your seemingly well-versed knowledge of the Vietnamese people in South Vietnam. Well, the ethnic Khmer Krom people are members of the Vietnamese citizens too, then why are you "ignorant" about their stories? This clearly shows that you have been taught to know only the selected stories from the Vietnamese point of view. In common sense term, you are not taught to know the whole truth. You were clearly upset at my word "ignorance" directed to you. You even called me "ignoramus" in return. This clearly exposes your limited understanding of the definition of the word "ignorance". You personal inference of the word fail you. I was merely stating the obvious aspect of your deficiency of knowledge.

If you go back to read my responses to your post again, you will see that I took a great interest in preserving the peace between the Khmer Krom and the domininating Viets. In fact, I myself have no knowledge and even ask you to tell me more about the so-called "impending war" led by the Khmer Krom people against the Vietnamese. All this time, the only thing I know about the Khmer Krom people's grievances is that they want the Vietnamese government to respect their ethnic identity, culture, ways of life, and equal rights under the laws of the land.

It seems that you know more than me about the Vietnamese people in South Vietnam and about the impending war of the Khmer Krom people than your general knowledge of the grievances of the Khmer Krom people.

I merely point out your knowledge gap, but you choose to make an issue out of it.

What Can I Say,
FKR

As you can see, I already dropped it. I was not taught anything and only know about situations in So. Vietnam regarding Vietnamese people, I was not raised in a community with a large Khmer population so I had no resources. Topics about Viet Nam nowadays didn't really interest me until recently.
My point to you is that you should refrain from calling people something when they seeking opinions from you. Do you think it was absolutely necessary to call my ignorant while adding in that my ignorance was annoying you before plunging into the topic? Even if you mean it with the best intention, how do you expect people to react to that?
As for the "war" I've seen other posts talking about it before but was just asking out of seriousness with you since you seem to have an unbias view toward this topic. It wasn't directed at any of your posts in particular.
Look, every Vietnamese here have dropped the topic with the exception of one, please don't start anything up now.

Drunk On Tea,

I regret if I have caused you any inconvenience. Please don't misunderstand me. I am not here to start anything or flare up anything again. I am merely explain my side of the story. In effect I am trying to put a clozure to this unfortunate communication.

Perhaps you would understand me better if you consider the context that surrounded this unfortunate communication. I have learned something from you today. Words are indeed powerful and people sure see things from their own angles.

"People are more the same than we are different", to quote Poet Maya Angelou.

Peace To YOU and to all the Vietnamese people.

While you and I we drop this unfortunate communication, there is one Vietnamese poster named Doan Du who is still down in the Khmer Chat forum blaming me for causing the disputes with the Vietnamese posters. If you can talk to him, I would be so appreciative of your kind, good-hearted effort.

Leaving all the Vietnamese in peace,
FKR

I'll try FKR, thanks for your peace effort.

Peace effort?? pshh.. I TRIED to keep the peace in that one topic. Maybe i didnt do well enough. But you, FKR, were quick to judge and considered me an "unworthy" person for my attempt at keeping the peace.

EDIT:

Thanks.

This topic has ended but before any closing please do allowed me to add one more comments. You (as you claimed) not to know any history of the Khmer Krom people. Please do understand of all the pains that the Khmer Krom people have suffered by the inhumane treament of your people. Please do understand that the Khmer Krom people do not fight for the lands. We don't want to start a war (no we're not afraid), for war only kill the innocent. We only want your people to treat us humanely. Please do understand the pains we have suffered and still are. We are not racist people, do not judge the WHOLE when ONE is.

I myself do not know much of the history of my people because your government forbid us (Khmer Krom) to learn any of our history (among other things). We are the YOUNG generation, what happen in the past is the past.

If you truly want peace then understand our pains before you considered us as RACIST.

Thay_

well, don't know who started but please do consider what other viets have post. Some are reasonable and some are racist comments too you know? My apology for what that khmerkrom guy have post but he just want the Vietnamese people to understand our pains cause by the Vietnamese government. Try to read some of daiviets and byron post before you considered them as innocent.

Anyway, pointhing fingers get nothing but a pointing back (not the middle one please).

Yeah I know this topic was directed to RockHeart, but with all the comments in the MIDDLE, I need to intervene...

Thay_

I am glad that you notice that we are not responsible for what our ancestors did. We are not racists Vietnamese, and I do feel your pain for the suffering of your Khmer Krom people, but you must know that we cannot do anything about it. If we can, we will change the way that is it right now.

No Vietnamese should apoligize. Since I have proven with Yale University articles that Southern Vietnam has been part of Vietnam for 250 years. And many other myths by these Cambodians of how evil Vietnamese have also been proven false.

So Vietnamese shouldn't apoligize and the only ones that should is Cambodians for starting an argument over myths and lies. I think Cambodians(Specifically the ones who make up these lies) should apoligize for their racist remarks based on lies and leave peacefully with Vietnamese.

Wow Byron, you are one true Vietnamese. But I must say that we do need to apologize to the Cambodians for what our ancestors did to them 200 years ago. That Japanese apologized to us, and so should we. Leave it as it is Bryon.

Yeah but practically every modern civilizations got to where it is through conquering of land in the past.

Even Cambodia fought wars with the Chams. So why should Vietnamese apoligize when practically everyone fights wars to take land in the past?

Now if Vietnam did it recently in our age of globalism then yeah they could apoligize if Vietnam attacked first. But they shouldn't if it happened in ancient times. Since everyone did it including Cambodia. Do you honestly think the Khmer Empire was established without any bloodshed? Empires rise and fall except for the kingdom of God which will always stand but this is what happens in history.

FKR, give me the comments that I posted and explain why those were racist comments against the people of Cambodia.

Again don't base a fact upon a study....I'll get back at you on that.

Thay_

PEACE

Now where are some of the rerference?

1. Van Hoa Nghe Thuat (Hanoi), Vol 10, 1978.
8. Huynh Sang Thong

Now who words should be listen?
Thay_

hmmm my observations. plz dont bash me on this.

yes DAI_VIET probly had good intentions when he started that thread. and yes 2 khmer pplz responded short of negatively.

but instead of of retaining the intention of peace all the rest of the post went well... not so well.

if u truly do want to retain the peace plz understand that sometimes even peace is met with resistance sometimes. U have to hold ure ground not give way. If u truly want peace hold on fast ans dont let go. I was not willing to read 6 pages of that so i have no idea how bad it got.

Im sure that uve at least tried to see the arguement from their point of view so kudos to that. (whats kudos means exactly im not sure.)

also i am certainly not sure what rockheart is up to but i dont have a good feeling about it. Ill keep an eye on him when i ge the chance. If anything strange happend Pm me or Ben we will take care of it aite?

ok then i hope u guys/gals can truly come to an agreement of a truce b4 this thing gets to out of hand on the forum. real life is another thing all together.

Thanks Nung, I know what ya mean. I think that it is best that we stop discussing about the history between Viet and Khmer, but the good relationships itself.

Hey Dai Viet...

All my messages that i posted in Viets's section. I didn't point any "bad word" to YOU. But you did! when YOU replied to my messages. You were always accused some "Bad words" to me. WHY?? WHY?? WHY??

Here Dai Viet used these words to point to me: "Dumbass" "Bastard" "F" "Ban this guy" It sounded your English Language's Skills are impolite, crack, misbehave disrespect and YOU feel a little annoy...If in next time, you feel intentional accussation some "Bad Words" to me again. DON"T Feel So Sorry that i will return back to YOU!!!

KhmerRevolution,

RockHeart.
:genius:

Come on peoples let have peace.

Not all Vietnamese support the Cong San govt or the policies of the Communist govt against Khumers. Vietnamese (including South Vietnam) have made many mistakes against Khumer in the past and Khumers in turn took vengence on Vietnamese in Cambodia. The cycle of hate and violence will keep on going, but Khumers and Vietnamese in America and the other Western nations have an opportunity for a new beginning.

To generalize that all Vietnamese are supremist and make extremist comments seems to be unfair for those who really try to look at both sides of the debate. For those Vietnamese who do make those types of comment, I sometimes flame them myself. I think that Khumers are making a big mistake when they blindly hate all Vietnamese people; they lose a lot of potential sympathizers among Vietnamese.