As you all know... we the Viets have the the second best moral values and manners behind China for it's analogies. I want each and everyone of you to list the following... besides SKT_Canada.... I've already got a personal list from you.

Here it goes:

* 10 Things you never say to a woman
* 10 Things you never say to a gentleman

* Ten Things you shouldn't ask that may sound polite to Americans...
* Ten Things you shouldn't say that may sound polite to Americans...
* Ten Things you never do that may look or sound nice to Americans...

To a man: You're poor.
To a woman: You're a slut.

"mom, knock before you enter!"

If you're a man: You don't try to hug a woman in public (not even your wife)
If you're a woman: You don't want to be hugged by a man in public (not even by your husband)

Good, please keep adding on to the list; and please also try to copy the questions and fill as much in as possible; and if wanted, please add more than I asked... I would be most appreciative.

The purpose for this thread is for others out of our culture to see our POV. Koreans, Japanese, Americans, etc.

Worker Bee and VietPunk, PLEASE add the reasons as to why those actions/words are rude. Others would like to know why.

Thanks!

We're not behind China in term of "morals"

Because Viets have their own thing; though I'm Chinese, I must say that some of our manners and moral values come from them... like the analogies.

Wait, your are chinese..

Vietnamese manners are more refined than Chinese even though we share some common values. But you can say this with any other cultures.

I'm confused now.

I mean the common values part.

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I'm Viet mix Chinese and Laosian.

Yup!

Keep adding, people!

You might find that these people who are picking on other people just because they are mixed are not real Viets. They just want to stir division and wave the same 50 year Yellow crap around.

Can VietPunk and Worker Bee answer me?

It's taboo like eating dogs in America. There are no real reasons why they're considered taboo.

I'm going to ask a question that might offend some of you but this is based on my observation and it is true to an extent but why do so many Vietnamese jock Chinese culture?

A new B? How many is "so many"?

It is a case of having a point of reference. I very much would like to see China provide good examples to the rest of Asians, but its communism and corruption are infectious.

And as I have said, communism virus can only infect a weak host and for Viet Nam, US had to murder and rape that make the rest of atrocities kindergarten for 30 years for this virus to infect Viet's culture and now the corruption is much like China. But again we look to China as a point of reference.

You can not discuss anything meaningful unless you have some points of references.

well the koreans and japanese jocked so many chinese culture too

What do you mean our moral values and manners are "second best behinh China"?! As far as I know, the Chinese only have one way to say 'you' and 'me' regardless of the person's age and gender but we Vietnamese have to consider age and gender in order to properly address someone. Otherwise, it's considered disrespectful and rude/uneducated.

For instance,

When talking to a guy slightly older: You = Anh (older brother), Me = Em (younger person)

When talking to a girl slightly older: You = Chị (older sister), Me = Em (younger person)

When talking to a man: You = Chú (uncle) or Ông (sir), Me = Cháu/Con (niece/nephew)

When talking to a lady: You = Cô (auntie) or Bà (madam), Me = Cháu/Con (niece/nephew)

When talking to an elderly man: You = Ông (grandpa), Me = Cháu/Con (granddaughter/grandson)

When talking to an elderly lady: You = Bà (grandma), Me = Cháu/Con


So you could see, the Vietnamese have a lot of respect for their elders and everyone is addressed as a member of the family... one big family. This is part of our moral values and manners. The Chinese doesn't have this kind of respect. So we didn't learn this from China.

I always thought only Vietnamese have this kind of system but the Koreans also have similar systems of addressing people. I wonder where we learn it from. Does anyone have any idea?

Actually the Vietnamese learned this sort of order pecking names from the chinese during the tang dynasty

Btw to answer your question about the Korean, they learned that from the tang too

Will you please explain why? Others would like to know the reasons...

Chinese have many ways of saying 'You', most common two are :one is 'ni'<你> and the other is 'nin'<您> which is more polite reserved for elders.
Hope that was educational.

LET'S ALL PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC!!!!

* 10 Things you never say to a woman
* 10 Things you never say to a gentleman

* Ten Things you shouldn't ask that may sound polite to Americans...
* Ten Things you shouldn't say that may sound polite to Americans...
* Ten Things you never do that may look or sound nice to Americans...

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"mom, knock before you enter!"

If you're a man: You don't try to hug a woman in public (not even your wife)
If you're a woman: You don't want to be hugged by a man in public (not even by your husband)

Now, for the last time (I pray), will Worker Bee and VietPunk please explain why these things are rude?

Is there any truth in this or is it at best like Mao was trying to define the term Guerilla but never put it to use whereas Viets have 1000 years fighting against Chinese and Mongo, 100 years French and 30 years US and its many supporters.

Or it is just another example of the mentality that everything came from China and the rest was barraric.

So how did the Chinese lose their civility and go for the watered down version of the version below. Could it be another cultural revolution for the worse like the one under Mao.



Can this compare to what we Viets have now. Not bad but it is no where near to what we have. I do hope I make myself clear that it is only at best a very watered down version.

I really like China to show all asians the way, provide some fine examples so all us asians can be proud and show some unity, but there are very little examples of it, but I stand to be corrected, please!!!

I don't speak Viet so I can't compare I just wanted to tell you that we do have different ways of addressing people.

But generally Chinese people don't differentiate between gender or age when addressing others or ourselves.
however the ancient chinese could be different.

Are you trying to say you don't understand what has explained and no one can understand this point if they don't speak the language ??

Be brave now or just be a little more intelligent.

Dude modern Chinese is different from ancient chinese.

That is modern Chinese is like english we say 'you' to others no matter age or gender and 'me' as me when addressing our selves to anyone.

If you think vietnamese is superior or has more respect for elders then go ahead.

Now you just lost the whole point or may be not, but never mind.

arent there any gestures or proper etiquette that people do everyday?

i didnt read any actual vietnamese etiquette. just seems like the obvious, like treat people nicely, call them by their right name....

there is a gesture, if you see someone that is quite a bit older, you fold up your arms and you bow and say "ahhhh"

Perhaps it is so universial and Viets don't claim it is just their own, unlike others.

I' like to see some proof to that claim. Are there any?

usually not looking at older people in their eyes, and young people have to fold their hand and bow a little bit. But when you grow a bit older in your late teens, it's not required.

bowing and not looking in the eyes directly is kinda similar to korea

I find this teaching is a breeding ground for child molestation and abuse. Luckily, Viet Nam and many Asian countries don’t have at least institutionalised murdering and raping, and child molestation and exploitation or a long tradition of lying and denying about these condemnable actions.

Can you explain why bowing and not looking in the eyes directly is a breeding ground for child molestation? It really doesn't make since to me.

It makes the child too submissive, but that is mine opinion.

I am wondering how many people are still practicing this, both in Western and Asian countries or others.

Just imagine a molested child was asked did you get a look at his face and what would the answer be: "I was taught not to look into someone 's face because it is considered as rude and unmannerly".

Fear, submission plus innoncence, subsceptability and youth is a good mix for breeding ground for child molestation. And luckily the culture of lying and denying about murdering and raping is not so much a hardcore value for much of Viet Nam and other Asian countries.

When I was younger, I did the bowing thing. I was not teached about the eye thing.
You should make a habit of editing your posts instead of replying one after the other.

Obviously, I prefer this way.

And have you got my point yet or it is not too obvious.

Anyways, worker bee's statement basically means that you are insulting the other person. Vietnamese, or atleast the way I understood it, have a lot pride in both themselves and their family. To call man poor means to tell him he is unsuccessful and a shame to the family. To tell the woman she is a slut is shameful as well.
As for Vietpunk's reply, I think that seems to only apply to Americans or atleast respect to Americans. My parents never really knocked on my door. They picked up on that habit after moving to America out of respect for the new culture.

Here let me make it further obvious, one should try to understand the obvious point and not try to give advice on when others should do editing when it is totally unimportant.

Yes I got your point and no, I'm not dumb. I'm only telling you to edit your posts because you might get warned for double posting. It seems like you get offended to easily.

You might like to learn to count, since I don't see a double post (but it is irrelevant) and I only get warned because of "superzealous", not for anything else.

So don't worry about my getting warned or banned, worry about geting the obvious points. Thanks anyway for trying to look after me, as if I need looking after. Whatever gives you that idea.

And get this too I always shoot straight: some might call that offended. More likely they are offended at having nothing else.

I might agree with you about Viets having morals and all that (behind China), but what good are they if not exercised in our daily lives? Been back to VN lately/at all? desperate people do desperate things- same everywhere! Its all about perspective and priorities. I dont fold my arms and bow to greet people but i show respect in other ways.

Anyway, to women never say the truth- just what they want to hear... that saying "Hell have no fury like a woman scorned.."
To gentlemen, can i borrow your wheels? cause every guy knows he loves his car more than his girl 2

There is too much generality for me to give much comments. Except, you can ask yourselves: who put Viet Nam in such a desperation, or how did it get there.