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ddha
I came across these articles on the net about the spread of hip hop & breakdancing in Vietnam.

Hip Hop in Vietnam

Korean singers to wow Vietnam audiences with group performance

Havikoro in Hanoi

IMO.. Vietnamese's hip hop artists (in Vietnam) are terrible! They absolutely embarrass me cuz they look, sound and dance so tacky! I can't even explain where they're wrong cuz it's everything! Their performances are soooo far from being hip hop yet they think their aerobic dancing is hip hop. It's just so embarrassing icon_redface.gif Hopefully as they get more exposure to professional international hip hop artists they'll start to improve.

The Vietnamese hip hop artists outside of Vietnam (mainly in the US) are a little better in that the songs they write are not so off the wall like in Vietnam... but I wish they'd sing them in Vietnamese. I mean, if I wanted to listen to hip hop in English I'd rather listen to actual professional English hip hop artists... not amature copycats.

*hope I didn't offend anyone icon_wink.gif
supernovasp
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 30 2005, 02:49 PM)
I came across these articles on the net about the spread of hip hop & breakdancing in Vietnam.

Hip Hop in Vietnam

Korean singers to wow Vietnam audiences with group performance

Havikoro in Hanoi

IMO.. Vietnamese's hip hop artists (in Vietnam) are terrible!  They absolutely embarrass me cuz they look, sound and dance so tacky!  I can't even explain where they're wrong cuz it's everything!  Their performances are soooo far from being hip hop yet they think their aerobic dancing is hip hop.  It's just so embarrassing  icon_redface.gif Hopefully as they get more exposure to professional international hip hop artists they'll start to improve.

The Vietnamese hip hop artists outside of Vietnam (mainly in the US) are a little better in that the songs they write are not so off the wall like in Vietnam... but I wish they'd sing them in Vietnamese.  I mean, if I wanted to listen to hip hop in English I'd rather listen to actual professional English hip hop artists... not amature copycats.

*hope I didn't offend anyone  icon_wink.gif
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Hiphop in Vietnam forum ^^
http://www.viethiphop.com/f/index.php?

Yea it's very amature. Vietnamese entertainment overall is stil very unprofessional and undeveloped.
Tav6
Viet rappers should translate the baby got back song into vn because I love that song hahahah *sing* I like big butt and I can not lie hahahah embarassedlaugh.gif
Byron
I'm not a big fan of hip hop.
ddha
why Bryon?
Byron
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 30 2005, 05:40 PM)
why Bryon?
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lol there is nothing more retarded than Vietnamese rap.

And this is coming from a fellow Vietnamese. icon_smile.gif
ddha
embarassedlaugh.gif2 embarassedlaugh.gif2 I agree it sounds bad.. but I think we need to modernize our music genres to keep up with current trends. Not that I'm a herd follower.. but I don't want us to be behind. I want us to create songs that other countries would also enjoy listening to and our younger generation could be proud that those cool songs were composed by a Vietnamese artist.

I'm confident that over time Vietnamese rap would improve and it wouldn't sound so retarded anymore. We just need more people giving it a shot until we get it right. biggrin.gif
Byron
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 11:12 AM)
embarassedlaugh.gifembarassedlaugh.gif2  I agree it sounds bad.. but I think we need to modernize our music genres to keep up with current trends.  Not that I'm a herd follower.. but I don't want us to be behind.  I want us to create songs that other countries would also enjoy listening to and our younger generation could be proud that those cool songs were composed by a Vietnamese artist. 

I'm confident that over time Vietnamese rap would improve and it wouldn't sound so retarded anymore.  We just need more people giving it a shot until we get it right.  biggrin.gif
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Why does it have to be rap? I honestly think the Vietnamese language would be much more suitable to rock music or even soul music and jazz. Vietnamese language for rap sounds horrible.
FrenchVanillaNYC
Because rap is the gateway to "music" for anybody that can't sing.

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VietPunk
I don't like viet raps, sounds crappy, or at least the ones i've heard, which is enough to give an opinion.
FrenchVanillaNYC
I haven't heard it...but I like Vietnamese style singing...maybe somebody can be innovative and mix Viet singing with rap and become Viet Nelly. embarassedlaugh.gif
VietPunk
"it's getting no'ng in here, so take off all quan" embarassedlaugh.gif
chosenone22
Vietnam isn't really into hip-hop, that's why it sucks. Koreans are more into that. Even though thier rap is the equivelant of the Backstreet Boys pop and commercial wise.
supernovasp
QUOTE (chosenone22 @ Aug 31 2005, 01:38 PM)
Vietnam isn't really into hip-hop, that's why it sucks. Koreans are more into that. Even though thier rap is the equivelant of the Backstreet Boys pop and commercial wise.
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Rap is underground in Hanoi and Saigon, while Rock is underground in Hanoi. The mainstream music is really crappy.


Haha Vietnamese hiphop shop in diamond plaza, saigon

















FrenchVanillaNYC
QUOTE (VietPunk @ Aug 31 2005, 01:25 PM)
"it's getting no'ng in here, so take off all quan"   embarassedlaugh.gif
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embarassedlaugh.gif Wow......just....wow....

Well, at least I learned two words! beerchug.gif

Supernova: I thought those pictures were cute. icon_redface.gif
moj0e
yeah hip hop in vietnam is gay.. i havent heard a decent hiphop artist from there yet.

and that one guys hair in the pic is pretty wierd O.o, guy wit the designs on his head.
supernovasp
QUOTE (moj0e @ Aug 31 2005, 02:05 PM)
yeah hip hop in vietnam is gay.. i havent heard a decent hiphop artist from there yet.

and that one guys hair in the pic is pretty wierd O.o, guy wit the designs on his head.
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actually most of the iphop songs you heard are oversea not from Vietnam.
Sideley
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Aug 31 2005, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (moj0e @ Aug 31 2005, 02:05 PM)
yeah hip hop in vietnam is gay.. i havent heard a decent hiphop artist from there yet.

and that one guys hair in the pic is pretty wierd O.o, guy wit the designs on his head.
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actually most of the iphop songs you heard are oversea not from Vietnam.
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An opinion from a western music connoisseur about Vietnamese pop:

by the way For me, rap is not suited to Vietnamese



07-08-2005

by Matthew Watters

The pop music scene in Viet Nam is still dominated by divas who equate good singing with tired, Celine Dion-style ballads. Beloved singers like Phuong Thanh have overpowering voices and melodramatic styles that threaten to trap Vietnamese pop music perpetually in the land of cheese. There is, however, a generation of young pop singers who are making a lighter style of pop music that cuts against the dominant trend.

The battle between pop music that’s popular and pop music that’s good is waged everywhere. In the English-speaking world, for instance, underground pop music referred to as "indie pop" has struggled for years, from Canada to Australia, the US to the UK, to elevate good songwriting, melodies and true feeling over the over-produced, bombastic stuff that is too often promoted by recording companies. It is what has made the music independent, or "indie."

Indie pop also tends to elevate values of "twee" and "cuteness" above values of hip swagger and high style that more popular singers affect. Girl bands and emo bands with nerdy boys in sweaters singing melodic songs influenced by 1960s bands like the Kinks or the Beach Boys are like seeing your little brother or sister form a band, and that’s cooler than someone flaunting overpowering vocal pipes and expensive fashions.

In Japan, for instance, girl bands were the rage of cuteness before the current darker fascination with rock music took over. Around the world, fans appreciate lesser-known singers whose talent or unique qualities are overlooked in favour of flashier, better-financed stars.

The reigning Queen of Vietnamese Pop, for instance, is My Tam, a fine singer with a good taste in material (songs like Uoc Gi are fiendishly catchy). But she has a performing style that baldly apes Jennifer Lopez, and that just isn’t happening.

There have long been signs of life around the fringes of Viet Nam’s pop music scene, however. For years, singers like Hong Nhung have been making fairly adventuresome, if rather sleepy, records, and Tran Thu Ha has an admirable ability to sing difficult material in complex metres, rather like a jazz singer. They’re true musicians.

Of the emerging generation, Ngoc Khue is one of the only singers to develop a personal and idiosyncratic style all her own, one dependant upon odd phrasing and a breathy, bird-like vocal quality rather than the sheer power of her more popular peers like Khanh Linh. Featuring real musicians playing acoustic instruments (and thereby eschewing the Casio sound that has hampered even the best work of singers like Tran Thu Ha), Ngoc Khue’s CD Ben Bo Ao Nha Minh is a trippy and witty little folk rock masterpiece.

Former child star Ngoc Linh is one of the few popular singers who relies more on a simple, melodic, happy presentation than on powerful pipes. By being anti-style, she is actually more hip than other singers. Even her southern accent is apparent in her singing, something many other southern singers attempt to hide, rather like British singers in the 1970s who affected American pronunciation. Similar to Taiwanese or Japanese singers like Aya Matsuura or A-Baw, Ngoc Linh tends to rely on her cuteness for her appeal, but her clear and unaffected voice is subtly effective. Her hit song Hay Hat Len (Let’s Sing) is pure pop, a joyous two-minute burst of melody and the very antithesis of the emotionally overwrought stuff other Vietnamese singers seem to specialize in.

But, as with the happier, livelier pop music scenes of places like Taiwan, Japan, and Thailand, much of the good stuff in Viet Nam is actually evolving within the context of dance music. A world-class dance pop group, as good as anything Thailand (or Europe) has come up with, is Trio 666, a group of two gorgeous and talented sisters who seem to be perpetually rotating one of their friends in and out of the group’s third slot. Trio’s mix of close, slighly akilter harmonies and oddball melodies, linked to rock-inflected dance tracks and performed along with hiply choreographed and tightly-performed dance moves, make them a truly unique article in the creative wasteland of Vietnamese pop. Trio 666 are cool and slick where other Vietnamese acts are amateurish, but their music is suprising and unpredictable. Only marginally popular when they ought to be huge, Trio 666 is the only act in Viet Nam that I could see rising to popularity in foreign music markets like Korea, Japan, and Europe. (Check out Radio Buon or Cu Vui Len for tracks that could have clicked big-time on MTV Europe.)

More popular but less original, in seemingly inverse proportions, are Mat Ngoc, three girls with decent voices but execrable dancing skills whose most recent tracks (and amusingly weird video clips) are obviously influenced by Jolin’s work with Jay Chou in Taiwan. Not a bad influence, but still demonstrating a lack of originality. An offshoot group called HAT make admirably credible use of hip-hop flourishes and humourous backing vocals by a very fat MC. Their peppy new song Taxi is fine pop, but most of their other music is pretty pallid stuff.

May Trang, is a similar group with a longer history: four young women who appeal to teenage fans more for their hairstyles and fashion than for their music. They get points, however, for a couple of hilariously self-deprecating video clips.

A HCMCity-based duo called Techno, featuring the boyish singer Ky Phuong paired with the sultry Thuy Uyen, are perhaps the finest purveyors of pure dance pop in Viet Nam. Ky Phuong, in particular, with a distinctive but unaffected singing style and dance moves that would do Michael Jackson proud, is, in fact, a real star, Viet Nam’s coolest male singer. Compare him to trendy but overbaked pretty-boy warblers like Duy Manh and you’ll wonder why he isn’t bigger. Indeed, it’s hard to find any male pop singers in Viet Nam who deviate from the painfully unhip mould of leisure-suited crooners, so discovering Phuong is a treat.

In pop music, in the end it’s all about what you get down on record. I have previously tended to dismiss the work of singer Doan Trang, for instance, as tired Ricky Martin retreads, and, on her CDs, you can frequently hear the strain in her voice. She’s a beautiful performer, but is she really much of a singer?

Her newly released CD, Socola, gives the resounding answer: yes. Expertly produced (and, odd for Viet Nam, a well-mastered disc, as well), Socola beautifully mixes hip-hop, electronica, and pop, and shows Doan Trang in command of her vocal skills. Could Doan Trang actually become the Bjork of Viet Nam? You’d think so after hearing songs like the rock-electronica confection Toc Hat, or the title track that walks a dizzying high wire above latin pop, reggae and hip-hop, threatening to become self-parody but emerging as pure self-confidence. Socola is one of the best new pop records to come out of Viet Nam and marks Doan Trang as the real deal.
ddha
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QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 31 2005, 12:35 PM)
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 11:12 AM)
embarassedlaugh.gifembarassedlaugh.gif2  I agree it sounds bad.. but I think we need to modernize our music genres to keep up with current trends.  Not that I'm a herd follower.. but I don't want us to be behind.  I want us to create songs that other countries would also enjoy listening to and our younger generation could be proud that those cool songs were composed by a Vietnamese artist. 

I'm confident that over time Vietnamese rap would improve and it wouldn't sound so retarded anymore.  We just need more people giving it a shot until we get it right.  biggrin.gif
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Why does it have to be rap? I honestly think the Vietnamese language would be much more suitable to rock music or even soul music and jazz. Vietnamese language for rap sounds horrible.
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Oh no, it doesn't have to be only rap. I actually don't like rap.. the hardcore ones anyway... can't understand them LOL .. I'm more of a rocker girl biggrin.gif

Unfortunately Vietnamese can't write rock songs either icon_sad.gif The only song I think is okay is Trống Vắng. I don't consider any of the songs written by Sĩ Đan to be rock even though he labels them as rock. They're sooo not rock thumbsdown.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
moj0e
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Aug 31 2005, 02:07 PM)
QUOTE (moj0e @ Aug 31 2005, 02:05 PM)
yeah hip hop in vietnam is gay.. i havent heard a decent hiphop artist from there yet.

and that one guys hair in the pic is pretty wierd O.o, guy wit the designs on his head.
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actually most of the iphop songs you heard are oversea not from Vietnam.
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dunno about that but i watched sum $hit on paris by night or w/e and sum of these guys were rappin and it was corny as fu-k.
vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 03:05 PM)
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QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 31 2005, 12:35 PM)
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 11:12 AM)
embarassedlaugh.gifembarassedlaugh.gif2  I agree it sounds bad.. but I think we need to modernize our music genres to keep up with current trends.  Not that I'm a herd follower.. but I don't want us to be behind.  I want us to create songs that other countries would also enjoy listening to and our younger generation could be proud that those cool songs were composed by a Vietnamese artist. 

I'm confident that over time Vietnamese rap would improve and it wouldn't sound so retarded anymore.  We just need more people giving it a shot until we get it right.  biggrin.gif
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Why does it have to be rap? I honestly think the Vietnamese language would be much more suitable to rock music or even soul music and jazz. Vietnamese language for rap sounds horrible.
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Oh no, it doesn't have to be only rap. I actually don't like rap.. the hardcore ones anyway... can't understand them LOL .. I'm more of a rocker girl biggrin.gif

Unfortunately Vietnamese can't write rock songs either icon_sad.gif The only song I think is okay is Trống Vắng. I don't consider any of the songs written by Sĩ Đan to be rock even though he labels them as rock. They're sooo not rock thumbsdown.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
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some body post a Viet rock song that is very good ( sa('c cam to^.i lo^~i) i think it was supernovar ??. You just have never listen to a good one, and trong vang is not even rock IMO . Vietnamese love songs started in 2000 and it was mostly translated from Chinese but after 5 years, it improved a lot and Chinese music is not involed that much in Vietnamese love songs anymore. SO give it time, Vietnamese artist will give u a lot of good rock and rap songs when the society change and as i know , they are getting in the hip hop style in Vietnam now, be patient
net_10
they sing pop song in hiphop clothes ..... and some basic breakdance .... they wear real hip-hop clothes but i cant find the hiphop style from them ....... however, there are still guys we can accept such as Phong Dat, and MBK band .......
ddha
QUOTE (vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe @ Aug 31 2005, 05:30 PM)
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 03:05 PM)
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QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 31 2005, 12:35 PM)
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 11:12 AM)
embarassedlaugh.gifembarassedlaugh.gif2  I agree it sounds bad.. but I think we need to modernize our music genres to keep up with current trends.  Not that I'm a herd follower.. but I don't want us to be behind.  I want us to create songs that other countries would also enjoy listening to and our younger generation could be proud that those cool songs were composed by a Vietnamese artist. 

I'm confident that over time Vietnamese rap would improve and it wouldn't sound so retarded anymore.  We just need more people giving it a shot until we get it right.  biggrin.gif
*


Why does it have to be rap? I honestly think the Vietnamese language would be much more suitable to rock music or even soul music and jazz. Vietnamese language for rap sounds horrible.
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Oh no, it doesn't have to be only rap. I actually don't like rap.. the hardcore ones anyway... can't understand them LOL .. I'm more of a rocker girl biggrin.gif

Unfortunately Vietnamese can't write rock songs either icon_sad.gif The only song I think is okay is Trống Vắng. I don't consider any of the songs written by Sĩ Đan to be rock even though he labels them as rock. They're sooo not rock thumbsdown.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
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some body post a Viet rock song that is very good ( sa('c cam to^.i lo^~i) i think it was supernovar ??. You just have never listen to a good one, and trong vang is not even rock IMO . Vietnamese love songs started in 2000 and it was mostly translated from Chinese but after 5 years, it improved a lot and Chinese music is not involed that much in Vietnamese love songs anymore. SO give it time, Vietnamese artist will give u a lot of good rock and rap songs when the society change and as i know , they are getting in the hip hop style in Vietnam now, be patient
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You have any idea where could I find that song? I'd love to hear it.

I agree, Trong Vang is more pop rock .. but it's a start. I know there are underground rock bands in Vietnam like Da Vang.. but their music is too heavy for me.

Anyways, I have no doubt that over time Vietnamese music would improve. I'm just so impatient.. it's not happening quick enough *sigh* icon_wink.gif
supernovasp
QUOTE (ddha @ Sep 2 2005, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe @ Aug 31 2005, 05:30 PM)
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 03:05 PM)
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QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 31 2005, 12:35 PM)
QUOTE (ddha @ Aug 31 2005, 11:12 AM)
embarassedlaugh.gifembarassedlaugh.gif2  I agree it sounds bad.. but I think we need to modernize our music genres to keep up with current trends.  Not that I'm a herd follower.. but I don't want us to be behind.  I want us to create songs that other countries would also enjoy listening to and our younger generation could be proud that those cool songs were composed by a Vietnamese artist. 

I'm confident that over time Vietnamese rap would improve and it wouldn't sound so retarded anymore.  We just need more people giving it a shot until we get it right.  biggrin.gif
*


Why does it have to be rap? I honestly think the Vietnamese language would be much more suitable to rock music or even soul music and jazz. Vietnamese language for rap sounds horrible.
*



Oh no, it doesn't have to be only rap. I actually don't like rap.. the hardcore ones anyway... can't understand them LOL .. I'm more of a rocker girl biggrin.gif

Unfortunately Vietnamese can't write rock songs either icon_sad.gif The only song I think is okay is Trống Vắng. I don't consider any of the songs written by Sĩ Đan to be rock even though he labels them as rock. They're sooo not rock thumbsdown.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
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some body post a Viet rock song that is very good ( sa('c cam to^.i lo^~i) i think it was supernovar ??. You just have never listen to a good one, and trong vang is not even rock IMO . Vietnamese love songs started in 2000 and it was mostly translated from Chinese but after 5 years, it improved a lot and Chinese music is not involed that much in Vietnamese love songs anymore. SO give it time, Vietnamese artist will give u a lot of good rock and rap songs when the society change and as i know , they are getting in the hip hop style in Vietnam now, be patient
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You have any idea where could I find that song? I'd love to hear it.

I agree, Trong Vang is more pop rock .. but it's a start. I know there are underground rock bands in Vietnam like Da Vang.. but their music is too heavy for me.

Anyways, I have no doubt that over time Vietnamese music would improve. I'm just so impatient.. it's not happening quick enough *sigh* icon_wink.gif
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I'll send you them ^_^
vietxboy
new artists in vietnam that are famous nowadays

Luu Chi Vy - mong nguoi ta luon tot luon yeu em
Thien Truong & Dia Hai - khong co lan thu hai - nga ba tinh
Tuan Hung - van nho


check them out, guarantee u wont be disappointed!
ddha
Thanks supernovasp.. you're the greatest kiss.gif
ddha
QUOTE (vietxboy @ Sep 2 2005, 06:04 PM)
new artists in vietnam that are famous nowadays

Luu Chi Vy     - mong nguoi ta luon tot luon yeu em
Thien Truong & Dia Hai -  khong co lan thu hai    -  nga ba tinh
Tuan Hung - van nho  


check them out, guarantee u wont be disappointed!
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Hmmm... only Tuan Hung looks familar to me. I'll have to check the others out. What kind of songs do they sing? V-pop?
WoazieBabiK
Ne one who knows the Bells which is included 1 boy and 2 girls ?(none of them are loonking good). Damn, I jus cant believe they are really singers. They rap terribly, dance like chicken and their styles freak me out. I was "Holly Crap! Turn that $hit off" I couldn't stand them. hmm Since then, I listen (or watch) to nething except Viet hip hop sure.gif
vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe
QUOTE (WoazieBabiK @ Sep 2 2005, 06:51 PM)
Ne one who knows the Bells which is included 1 boy and 2 girls ?(none of them are loonking good). Damn, I jus cant believe they are really singers. They rap terribly, dance like chicken and their styles freak me out. I was "Holly Crap! Turn that $hit off" I couldn't stand them. hmm Since then, I listen (or watch) to nething except Viet hip hop sure.gif
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yup, i cant believe how some people are singers in Vietnam, maybe their families have money. Who knows
vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe
hey supernova , can u send me some more ?? thanks
ddha
QUOTE (WoazieBabiK @ Sep 2 2005, 06:51 PM)
Ne one who knows the Bells which is included 1 boy and 2 girls ?(none of them are loonking good). Damn, I jus cant believe they are really singers. They rap terribly, dance like chicken and their styles freak me out. I was "Holly Crap! Turn that $hit off" I couldn't stand them. hmm Since then, I listen (or watch) to nething except Viet hip hop sure.gif
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There is no Viet hip hop... can you give me an example? What is Viet hip hop? All the so called Viet hip hop that I've seen so far all sound like The Bells/MDK .. which as you said.. are crap. It's nowhere near hip hop music. They don't even know how foolish they look. It's sooo embarrassing. I've yet to see a true Viet hip hop artist/group etc.
WoazieBabiK
I dont know either but Viet singers consider themselves are hiphop singers and in the first place too. So...? Actually Korean hip hop aint' original hip hop either (Black hiphop culture). Korean artists created their own styles that s based on these Black hiphop cultures.
Byron
Viet Pryde hip hop gangsters are already annoying and dangerous enough here overseas. There is no way I would want this to spread to Vietnam.
ddha
Hey guyz.. check this Viet rapper out. I copied the post from another forum I sometimes visit... called Vietsingers.com

Anyways, I'm not sure if he's any good.. I just thought I should post samples of what Viet rap/hip hop music is like... hope you guyz don't flame me for it embarassedlaugh.gif

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Hom nay lan dau tien minh den voi Vietsingers, xin duoc chi bao them. Minh te^n Eddyviet va` la` 1 nguoi thi'ch ha't nhac rap tie^'ng VIET. Minh rat thich am nhac VN. Vi ly' do ddo', min`h dda~ co^' gang ta^.p te^?nh, thu a^m duoc 1 so ba`i ha't. Xin share voi ca'c thanh vien VietSingers. Cac ba.n nghe xong, xin cho minh 1 chu't y' kien nhe'.

http://eddyviet.dmusic.com
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Eddy,
worker_bee
The sound of Vietnamese singing hip hop is exactly like the sound of S H I T spewing out of my anus when I got diarrhea
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