I believe most oversea Vietnamese want Vietnam to be more democratic, more freedom and a multi-party government. I'm curious what do Vietnamese in Vietnam want? I know you can get in trouble for freely expressing your opinion. If you don't think so, please give me your opinion. Multi-party means Communist party co-exist with other parties like republic, democratic, libertarian etc....





Vietnam pictures, go here:
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most posters here are oversea vietnamese hehe

that stuff is still luxury for us at this moment at least, fellows

I am living in Vietnam and I used to wish that a multiparty system will replace the current one-party system, since I dislike communism. However, I soon realize that such a multiparty model is unsuitable for Vietnam RIGHT now, and can bring great disorders. Now what I want is a one-party system with a clean, transparent, uncorrupted party in power, and I believe communist top leaders also want the same thing, since that is their only choice to survive.

In fact, there is no harm to express your own opinion in Vietnam now. I know there used to be... but long time has passed and things have changed much. We Vietnamese can now talk freely about politics, criticizing communist leaders, when we are having a pho in a small restaurant, for example. It is DANGER to express your planning to overthrow the communist government, however. But I don't want to overthrow the government so I have nothing to be afraid of.

Multi-party so each side can fight against each other for power

If you want to be the ruling elites of Vietnam you need to start a revolution and shed blood for it.

Yeah, that seems to be the only way. Trade embargo, overseas protesting, pressures from foreign governments have not worked. Without a real revolution, the status quo will remain indefinitely like it is in China.

But you cannot hope a clean system as long as the one-party system lasts: Why would they give up their corrupt practices if they are not feared to by wiped out or denounced by any opposition party ? As long as they can make money at the expense ofthe VN people, they will try everything to cling up to their power.

there is no harm to express your opinion now ? Are you joking ? Even a former high ranked official was detained just becaused he proposed to set up an citizen organisation to watch corruption, note that he never mentioned overthrowing the gov.
In fact, if you discuss about democracy = multiparty = possibility of change of governement upon free election = "overthrowing" the current gov => You find yourself and your family imprisonned, deported and even tortured .

i don't think think in vietnam can have free access to internet...

b!tching and moaning at the corrupted government won't remove the regime.

The U.S and the UN imposed 20-year of economic sanction on Vietnam and they still could not remove the regime.

If you want change, start a revolution and a civil war and hopefully if you emerge as the winner you'll take over as the ruling elites of Vietnam.

It only ended up making Viet Nam more poor and sick and communism virus has a better chance of spreading.

stop moaning indeed, try to neutralize the communist leaders by holding in hostages their (spoiled) children abroad, blocking the use of their asset in private bank and then offering a possibility to escape to somalia, congo or to irak to avoid a bloodshed.

Of course Multi-party would bring forth more choice and ideas... in the end the bottom line is its better for Vietnam. VN and VC one party where only a few elite actually rule vietnam is why its a mess with curruptions running rampants. The real power isn't in the VN congress.. which is really a rubber stamp for the few elite thats holds 90% of real power anyway. Lets not forget the Local state gov't has some power as well.

Its like saying a Monopoly is better than free Market.

Monopoly= less choice, more cost, less efficient, lower quality... a plus would be more stablity

free market= lower cost, higher quality, better efficiency.... downside is less stablity.. always in flux

hehe, i would like to see these fat cats go to solomila... in fact VN is best buds with Cuba.. why not Cuba?? or Guantanamo Bay for that matter... tell them its really nice and cozy there. All the guys like guys in the Guantanomo Country club

your right.. when i was in vietnam and i tried to go on to some well known and respected news sites online (such as CNN and BBC, as well as some oversaes vn sites as well).. its was offline?? in other words sites block and censored deems not in the interest to the stability of VN.

I guess VC guerrilla didn't want civil war if too many people knows the actually truth.

You're absolutely correct my friend.

Most ppl tend to ignore that there are stages in a development of a country... And right now, VN is in recovery phase... Given the condition it had to work with, the Gov't seems to be doing a great job... Currently, VN possesses Security and Stability... And after the Sanctions (the major obstacle in economic recovery), investors see VN as very lucrative place to invest in... Remember the world just truely open their market to VN about 9 yrs ago... Ever since, the Gov't been trying and changing to make VN more accommodating to business.

If you look at history of other countries and compare them to VN, we seem to be doing very well.

Big lie. Such news sites as CNN and BBC can get accessed without any difficulty. So is this forum.

It's the truth that many anti-government websites by overseas Vietnamese political parties are firewalled. But it's not the case of such prestigious news sites like CNN and BBC. People can even watch CNN and BBC channels on Cable TV and Digital TV, do you know that?

" you got him coach" 2

When I'm in HCMC, I mostly use internet just to send and get files from the office in US... So, I don't really know if the Gov't block some of the IPs or not.

But I can tell you that I can watch CNN, Fox, CNBC, D(German News), Asia MTV and other channels... The news channels (CNN, Fox, CNBC, D(German News)) are different than in US... They have more information than in US where some of information are censored.

Dinhscot represents the extreme anti-Communist elements in the Vietnamese community in the US. Some of what they said might be true but since they have also made up a lot of lies regarding the situation in Vietnam, they generally don't have any credibility among the well-informed and skeptical people. He truly believes in what he's doing (spreading lies in order to undermine the Vietnamese government) because to him, the end (the overthrowing of communism) justifies the means.

I can tell you that BBC news articles are directly coming from the Vietnamese press. So theres nothing to hide.

What you were watching is CNN(I), CNBC, that just for the international audeience, News reports like bird flu, Iraq, headlines, business reports, its nothing for them to fear.

About internet usage in Vietnam: There are government run internet cafe and there is the rest which the Vietnamese Gov't do a $hitty job of maintaining and monitoring.
Most internet users in internet cafe use a passport idenication to access the web which monitor all users activities. link: http://vnpassport.com/Web/UserPage/Login.aspx

Its impossible for the government to control 5.8millions people using the internet.
and it will be the start of something new! and goodbye your stupid communist leaders!

I like your sig, Spicy!! 2

What do you say to US presidents that ordered the dumping of 3 time WWII bombs and 80 million litres of toxic wastes on civilians because they could hardly find any VCs or made My Lai Massacre a common practice for 20 years that make the rest kindergarten????.

Like I said Hoho was just an US tool, their favorite tool!!!

There are so much excrement and half-truth in their rants that the stench makes you have a hard time distinguishing if they are ignoramus or just refusing to understand the facts... It's quite sad



Fear about what?... There are some news that are censored in US but are broadcast in International version.



What is vnpassport.com?... It's from Dallas, Texas.

A Texas company monitoring Vietnamese in VN?

Interesting! What exactly does it do anyway?

Tiên sư cụ cái thằng nào cho cái hình ông sư chết cháy làm chữ kí. 3 que đéo phải 3 que, cộng sản cũng đéo phải cộng sản. Cái loại như mày chỉ giỏi nghịch internet ở nhà chứ ra ngoài thì chắc im như thóc. Mặt mày mà bước về Vn thì bọn nó đánh cho dập phổi. Tao ngứa mắt với mày lắm rồi, tốt nhất là cút mịa nó sang cái forum nào khác đi, đừng có ở AF làm gì nữa.

Supernova sp, ông anh mà có ở đây thì ban con mịa cái thằng này đi. Tôi không ưa 3 que, anh không ưa CS nhưng ít ra giữa chúng ta còn có sự tôn trọng lẫn nhau. Còn cái thằng sư chết cháy kia thì cái gì nó cũng đạp, he's getting on my nerve ... ban con mịa nhà nó đi anh 2 ơi !!!

So you are frustrated that you have nothing to say against what I say. Frustration will make you try hard to see what I say does or does not make sense, right. Got any???

ehh... what did i say about you ?

WHO ELSE!!!

Can you translate it ?

ông sư chết cháy = A MONK DIED BY BURNING

3 red lashes have nothing else but stupid games and stupidity, no wonder Bush shook hands with VCs and left them outside in the cold entertaining ???? Don't be stupid I have translated many posts of mine already.

Oh... so you do know how to read a of Vietnamese eh ? How long did it take you to look up 4 words in the dictionary ?

Don't get me wrong now, what i said above was to praise your talent as a true Vietnamese patriot. My English was not good enough to express such thoughts and respect, that's why i switched to Vietnamese. I refered to you as the the person who has the burning monk picture as his siggy to show how determined you are, walking the path of liberating the Vietnamese people I have actually made a poem for you in Vietnamese:

Quốc Thái Bình An, anh là ai ?
Một ông tiên thánh hay một người chiến sỹ
Sao anh rất đỗi gần gũi
Chiến đấu vì nước, vì dân.

Nay công trạng đã đầy
Nhưng sao lòng trống trải
Anh đi xuông trông thấy
Bao nhiêu fan hâm mộ
Cũng khóc lóc buồn rầu...
Hỏi sao mà khóc,
Thì họ trả lời:
"Anh Quốc Thái .. anh í bị pê đê"
Ôi thôi đời zai, đến đấy là hết.
Chán đời quá thôi, anh nói với mình
Từ đó trở đi, anh Thái lang bạt
Làm đĩ tứ phương
Lấy nghế mút chim
Làm cần câu cơm.

Peace , eh ?

Vietnamese people never bring great ancestors into a discussion. That sentence above says: "Great ancestors of some guy with a sig of a burning monk". I don't need to read any further. You and I have crossed swords too many times for me to get the idea.

If you are trying to praise, which you can see I don't need, you can keep out of my way. That is all. Be good now!!

Yes, now i know your Vietnamese skill ... I will never type to you in English again

Don't worry, I will do what I do with crap, flush it or ignore the stinking crap. Like I say, all you have is just crap. How pathetic man. Stop worming around. It ain't human!!!

He he i ain't human, alright !!! Mày muốn nói gì thì nói, tao sẽ phá mày cho tới lúc mày chán đến nỗi phải rời khỏi cái forum này thì thôi

How pathetic you must feel. Come on, such things are my entertaiment, I don't get sick of it, I just laugh: hawhawhaw heeehooo hawhawhaw.

Got any more!!!!

Mod có thể lock topic này lại được rồi đấy 2

where there is quocthaibinhan, there is war lolz

i know eh ? This guy is an epidemic 2

This guy shuts you down so much, you can only moan and dream about "phá" me. Unfortunately for you, I do find it all entertaining!!!

Show me what have you got!!!

Lan nao gap may, may cung noi cai cau 3 yellow sticks, no'i cai con me gi` may cung mock ca^u ddo', ma`y ko tha^'y cha'n, tui tao cu~ng cha'n

If you are sick of me mentioning 3 red lashes in Yellow then how about seeing them waving it about. Ain't that simply better or just 60 year crap's still going on. Can you come up with anything that can flush it down the hole??

chán cái thằng quocthaibinhan này thật. Đàn ông gì mà chả có ra đàn ông chút nào. Tối ngày chỉ biết than van về những quá khứ của VN như một con đàn bà.

Chán mấy cái thằng đàn ông có tính đàn bà như cái lũ quocthaibinhan, dinhscot, bluelakedragon, Nha Le thật. Tối ngày lên diễn đàn quốc tế này chỉ để rên rỉ than van ai óan về những vấn đề kinh tế, chính trị, xã hội của VN hiện tại; đúng là chả có biết tự trọng bản thân và đất nước mình. Mấy người ngọai quốc khác trong diễn đàn này họ đâu có làm mấy chuyện rẽ tiền mất mặc dân tộc họ như mấy cái thằng bịnh họan này.

It is difficult to find a good person that can contribute to flushing the crap. Some don't know what it is, some love it.

What are you????

I'm your papa 2 2

Obviously you love the 60 year crap. What do you normally do with it??