DAI_VIET
Feb 12 2004, 09:45 PM
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tqt
Feb 12 2004, 10:19 PM
Dai Viet,
I admire your sense of nationalism. I hope Viet Nam will have more people like you.
btw, what do you think about the 1 millions ethnic chinese living in Viet Nam right now?
supernovasp
Feb 12 2004, 10:28 PM
oh come on.. you're doing against the Nguyen kings.... they allowed Ming supporter Chinese to live in South Vietnam..
tqt
Feb 12 2004, 10:31 PM
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Feb 12 2004, 11:28 PM)
oh come on.. you're doing against the Nguyen kings.... they allowed Ming supporter Chinese to live in South Vietnam..
Nguyen kings were one of the biggest traitors of Vietnam, I just can't believe that they let Chinese refugees settled in Vietnam like that.
Byron
Feb 12 2004, 10:31 PM
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Feb 12 2004, 10:45 PM)
Ya know, I think the Chinese should get out of Vietnam before we raise an army and invade China again just like Nguyen Hue did 300 years ago. If no one is going to do it, I will then. Will meet you in the game of Civilization III (if you ever heard of that game before).
According to history, Vietnam had the biggest navy in the world during the tenth century. Asia's first military academy was founded in Hanoi.
LONG LIVE VIETNAM!
uh huh
supernovasp
Feb 12 2004, 10:32 PM
Nguyen Hue was a traitor then?
tqt
Feb 12 2004, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Feb 12 2004, 11:32 PM)
Nguyen Hue was a traitor then?
Quang Trung Hoang De is our hero, Nguyen Phuc Anh is not
tqt
Feb 12 2004, 10:35 PM
I believe Thai Duc De Nguyen Nhac did massacre 10,000 Chinese living around Saigon in the 1790's.
tqt
Feb 12 2004, 10:43 PM
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one million Chinese is way too much in Vietnam, I want to deport some of them out.
how about ALL instead of "some"
supernovasp
Feb 12 2004, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Feb 12 2004, 11:37 PM)
First, I will tolerate those Chinese who show their loyalty toward Vietnam. Those Chinese will have to become Vietnamese citizens, learn to speak Vietnamese, adopt Vietnamese culture and customs.
If there are any Chinese that want to resist those rules, they can go back to their motherland as free men. If they want to live in Vietnam, they have to do what the Vietnamese government want them do to.
I really want to invade China, but our army is not enough to hold in China for too long, but we can invade China though. I want Vietnam to be like the U.S., tolerate different cultures, but they will have to live under our laws and customs. But on the other hand, one million Chinese is way too much in Vietnam, I want to deport some of them out.
We really need a strong ally, the U.S. will be our ally. We control one of the most important stragetic naval base in Asia, and will have the technology to become a superpower if we unite.
United us, unite the Vietnamese now! Please don't show any hatred toward what region you are from. North, Central, South, it doesn't matter, what matters the most is that we know we are Vietnamese and we have to help our country. Please, please help Vietnam if you can. I will die a happy man if Vietnam becomes a superpower in economy and military before I die. I will do all that can be done.
VIETNAM VICTOR!
vietnamese can't be a very great ally with United State if the goverment is still communist...
chynagongju
Feb 12 2004, 11:49 PM
Wow. This really hurts. I can't believe that you'd put such comments on AF.
<<Some of them are not stupid>> excuse me? What are you implying by that?
<<Need your guidance?>> i wouldn't take it if you paid me.
I, as I'm sure most of the Chinese people here at AF, take offense to almost everything you've posted in this thread. If you have issues with Chinese people or their history, just PM each other to discuss it please. Because I'm pretty sure that you don't have much beef with the Chinese people AT AF who haven't had much of a chance to give you reason to say these things. [seeing as DAI_VIET is a newbie with 11 posts...]
直隸總督
Feb 13 2004, 12:01 AM
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Feb 13 2004, 12:56 AM)
Hmmm... let's settle this one with a quote.
"I deeply apologize to my racist comments on AF. And so should the Chinese, you should apologize to us, too. All you need to do is bow your heads down and kiss our feet and we might forgive you."
Damn, that was such a racist comment. I really need to stop writing these comment. Sorry guys/gals. I'll try to hold myself back. I'll try to stop if you know when to stop.
If you keep attacking us, we will have to attack you before you even think about it. And we will do it in a heartbeat.
were you not the one who started all this? now you're victimizing yourself like most Vietnamese Supremacists here do.
tongbao_vince
Feb 13 2004, 12:02 AM
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Ya know, I think the Chinese should get out of Vietnam before we raise an army and invade China again just like Nguyen Hue did 300 years ago. If no one is going to do it, I will then. Will meet you in the game of Civilization III (if you ever heard of that game before).
Sure you can 'rise' against China (not that China is currently ruling Vietnam so I don't get what you're trying to rise against) but your little revolution didn't change anything because China still ruled Vietnam for over 1000 years.
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According to history, Vietnam had the biggest navy in the world during the tenth century. Asia's first military academy was founded in Hanoi.
I don't know where you got your history from, but in the tenth century, Vietnam was still controlled by China. Not until the mid-tenth century did Vietnam repel the Chinese from their war torn country.
Seems like you're doing the 'attacking' first.
chynagongju
Feb 13 2004, 12:05 AM
Yeah DAI_VIET you definitely started this. You started this thread, you started bashing Chinese, you started with the racist comments. We have not bashed on you at all. So stop attacking us. And stop your comments that are not backed up by any support.
tqt
Feb 13 2004, 12:09 AM
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I don't know where you got your history from, but in the tenth century, Vietnam was still controlled by China. Not until the mid-tenth century did Vietnam repel the Chinese from their war torn country.
The Vietnamese lead by King Ngo Quyen defeated the Nam Han at the battle of Bach Dang river in 938 A.D to gain her independence.
tongbao_vince
Feb 13 2004, 12:27 AM
Even though this site claims Vietnam had the largest navy (which is mostly based on opinion), Vietnamese never did anything with the navy. It also doesn't state what types of ships they were. Were they simple canoes or Giant War Junks? And what influence did this navy have because it doesn't seem to leave a lasting impression on Vietnamese history.
直隸總督
Feb 13 2004, 12:29 AM
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Were they simple canoes
most likely ( my opinion)
Byron
Feb 13 2004, 09:11 AM
QUOTE (直隸總督 @ Feb 13 2004, 01:29 AM)
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Were they simple canoes
most likely ( my opinion)
Whatever you Chinese supremist.
Kulong
Feb 13 2004, 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Bryon)
QUOTE (???? @ Feb 13 2004, 01:29 AM)
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Were they simple canoes
most likely ( my opinion)
Whatever you Chinese supremist.
Hahaha... he simply forms an opinion and he is labelled as a "supremacist"...

You know, he was polite enough to stress that this is only his OPINION. He isn't trying to pass it as a "fact" as you Vietnamese supremacists do.
Ogumo
Feb 13 2004, 12:51 PM
This is quickly becoming ridiculous! Damn.
Byron
Feb 13 2004, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (Kulong @ Feb 13 2004, 10:22 AM)

QUOTE (Bryon)
QUOTE (???? @ Feb 13 2004, 01:29 AM)
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Were they simple canoes
most likely ( my opinion)
Whatever you Chinese supremist.
Hahaha... he simply forms an opinion and he is labelled as a "supremacist"...

You know, he was polite enough to stress that this is only his OPINION. He isn't trying to pass it as a "fact" as you Vietnamese supremacists do.
Opinions are sometimes bad as well. So if I had an opinion that was bad about another race, would I considered to be a supremist or not?
Kulong
Feb 13 2004, 06:27 PM
QUOTE (Byron @ Feb 13 2004, 06:16 PM)
QUOTE (Kulong @ Feb 13 2004, 10:22 AM)

QUOTE (Bryon)
QUOTE (???? @ Feb 13 2004, 01:29 AM)
QUOTE
Were they simple canoes
most likely ( my opinion)
Whatever you Chinese supremist.
Hahaha... he simply forms an opinion and he is labelled as a "supremacist"...

You know, he was polite enough to stress that this is only his OPINION. He isn't trying to pass it as a "fact" as you Vietnamese supremacists do.
Opinions are sometimes bad as well. So if I had an opinion that was bad about another race, would I considered to be a supremist or not? Most slanders against other races are opinions and not defined clearly as facts. Like if I had an opinion that all asians were bad people would I be considered a supremist or not?
You are missing the point. All he ever stated is that in HIS opinionon what the Vietnamese navy was made up of. He could be right or he could be wrong, it doesn't matter because he isn't claiming it to be right.
His statement was neither racist or supremacist. He didn't say anything about the whole Vietnamese people being inferior nor did he mention anything about Chinese being superior.
tongbao_vince
Feb 13 2004, 06:37 PM
He stated the Vietnamese navy was the largest navy in the world in the tenth century. I questioned it because in the tenth century, Vietnam had just won independence so how could they possibly build the world's largest navy in sucha short period of time.
Also the webpage just states the same thing. It doesn't provide any detail at all as to what the Vietnamese navy was comprised of (types of ships), the specifications of the ships (were they 700 ton Junks or canoes?), how many ships were there first of all, a comparison to other major navies at that time, naval innovation (which I had never heard Vietnam being particularily well known for) and the lasting historical influence this navy had (such as signifigant naval battles).
I'm not trying to be negative here, I just wanted more information that at least supports some of the points. The claim just needs some backup.
DAI_VIET
Feb 13 2004, 11:38 PM
THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN CLOSED
herosword
Feb 16 2004, 10:19 PM
I hear the term racism and supremacism. Yet are we really not one race: asian? This barrage of hate is really radical nationalism. I read the history and I know the Chinese did things to Vietnam and we did things back to them. I have not proud of the fact that Vietnam murdered one million Chinese. Why are you guys proud of killing and murder? I also understand why the Cambodian and Laosian hate Vietnamese, it's because we invaded their country. Yet if we go back to history everyone wronged someone one time or other. So don't look to the past look to the future. We need a united Asia, nations cooperating for the betterment of the Asian race. We need to stop being hill billy and remember the past but not let it dictate the future.
Doan Du
Feb 17 2004, 10:52 AM
QUOTE (herosword @ Feb 16 2004, 11:19 PM)
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I have not proud of the fact that Vietnam murdered one million Chinese.
I don't know where you get your fact from but Vietnam has never committed genocide against Chinese residents. Well said on the rest of the message.
All those racial anomosities are totally misplaced. Asian Americans have enough of a hard time dealing with discrimination and stereotypes from the mainstream society alone.
Somehow I doubt that a racist white person in this country can tell the difference between a Chinese and a Vietnamese.
herosword
Feb 17 2004, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (Doan Du @ Feb 17 2004, 11:52 AM)
I don't know where you get your fact from but Vietnam has never committed genocide against Chinese residents. Well said on the rest of the message.
Well, I'm not sure if it's true either but if you read the rest of the forum someone mentioned it as something to be proud of. (Shrug). If it's not true that's even better, one less thing that could be cited against us.
Byron
Feb 18 2004, 08:10 AM
No there was no genocide of Chinese in Vietnam. After the Sino-Vietnam war, Vietnam just sent 300,000 Chinese back to China. But that's all in the past, today there are millions of Chinese living in Vietnam. I have no problem with that. So what if there are Chinese people living in Vietnam big deal. There are Vietnamese people living in China as well.
Doan Du
Feb 18 2004, 01:56 PM
QUOTE (Byron @ Feb 18 2004, 09:10 AM)
No there was no genocide of Chinese in Vietnam. After the Sino-Vietnam war, Vietnam just sent 300,000 Chinese back to China. But that's all in the past, today there are millions of Chinese living in Vietnam. I have no problem with that. So what if there are Chinese people living in Vietnam big deal. There are Vietnamese people living in China as well.
Where did you get this piece of information? I have never heard of that before.
Millions of people (both Chinese and Vietnamese) left Vietnam because the Communist government engaged a search-and-destroy campaign against the merchant classes in South Vietnam after 1975.
DAI_VIET
Feb 19 2004, 08:10 PM
I am not very proud of what I posted here. So please let this topic die, that would be a great help.
I AM A VIETNAMESE
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Sep 25 2004, 06:25 PM
Hey this thread is interesting... I wanna revive it.
I read Viet history book and it said that Emperor Quang Trung Nguyen Hue's army massacred the Chinese population living in Gia Dinh (modern day Vietnam) when they invaded and defeated Chua Nguyen Anh (later Emperor Gia Long)
dalawapo
Sep 25 2004, 09:43 PM
Please tell me why viets are not mixed with chinese even though china ruled vietnam for 1,000 years! come on, in other parts of the world with this similar situation, there is generally a mixture even when to mix is seen as tabo or lowly, like in madagascar where the indigenous ethnic malay mixed with the immigrant blacks who came to the island as slaves even though mixing would mean lower class cause madagscar had a big racial caste system hieriarchal society..
Rocky Cuong V
Sep 25 2004, 09:47 PM
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 26 2004, 01:43 PM)
Please tell me why viets are not mixed with chinese even though china ruled vietnam for 1,000 years! come on, in other parts of the world with this similar situation, there is generally a mixture even when to mix is seen as tabo or lowly, like in madagascar where the indigenous ethnic malay mixed with the immigrant blacks who came to the island as slaves even though mixing would mean lower class cause madagscar had a big racial caste system hieriarchal society..

have you ever heard of people that are Vietnam/Chinese...
dalawapo
Sep 25 2004, 09:51 PM
dont roll @ me cuong... well i dont see many of ppl sy they are mixed viet on here.
康师傅
Sep 25 2004, 09:54 PM
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 25 2004, 10:51 PM)
dont roll @ me cuong... well i dont see many of ppl sy they are mixed viet on here.

haha.. actually many of them are..
like cuong, Nam Da, DaiNamViet,Nam Quoc Son Ha...shanghaibabe, fujisan and phul_hyum something
dalawapo
Sep 25 2004, 10:04 PM
how come many of the profiles on vietnam do not seem to recognize viet/chinese mixture
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Ethnic groups: Vietnamese (85%-90%), Chinese (3%), Hmong, Thai, Khmer, Cham, mountain groups.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/4130.htm
康师傅
Sep 25 2004, 10:43 PM
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 25 2004, 11:04 PM)
how come many of the profiles on vietnam do not seem to recognize viet/chinese mixture
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Ethnic groups: Vietnamese (85%-90%), Chinese (3%), Hmong, Thai, Khmer, Cham, mountain groups.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/4130.htm if u are mix..u still considered as vietnamese..
July_Rain
Sep 25 2004, 11:09 PM
Vietnamese, regarless whether they are mixed with any ethnicity, as long as they embrace Vietnamese culture, then they are Vietnamese, no need to distinguish.
herosword
Sep 25 2004, 11:09 PM
This topic is from a year back? It's so old! Who ressurected it?
康师傅
Sep 25 2004, 11:22 PM
QUOTE (herosword @ Sep 26 2004, 12:09 AM)
This topic is from a year back? It's so old! Who ressurected it?
Nam whatever it is
herosword
Sep 25 2004, 11:33 PM
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 26 2004, 12:22 AM)
QUOTE (herosword @ Sep 26 2004, 12:09 AM)
This topic is from a year back? It's so old! Who ressurected it?
Nam whatever it is
This thread is probably just going to lead to another flame war. Let it die a peaceful death instead of trying to bring it back. Frankenstein taught us that you should never mess with raising the dead; it'll get out of control.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Sep 25 2004, 11:54 PM
QUOTE (herosword @ Sep 26 2004, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 26 2004, 12:22 AM)
QUOTE (herosword @ Sep 26 2004, 12:09 AM)
This topic is from a year back? It's so old! Who ressurected it?
Nam whatever it is
This thread is probably just going to lead to another flame war. Let it die a peaceful death instead of trying to bring it back. Frankenstein taught us that you should never mess with raising the dead; it'll get out of control.
LOL give me a break. Who dares messing around with the Viet clan these days?
MING-LOYALIST
Sep 26 2004, 06:20 AM
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 25 2004, 07:25 PM)
Hey this thread is interesting... I wanna revive it.
I read Viet history book and it said that Emperor Quang Trung Nguyen Hue's army massacred the Chinese population living in Gia Dinh (modern day Vietnam) when they invaded and defeated Chua Nguyen Anh (later Emperor Gia Long)
Savages!
康师傅
Sep 26 2004, 07:37 AM
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 26 2004, 12:54 AM)
QUOTE (herosword @ Sep 26 2004, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 26 2004, 12:22 AM)
QUOTE (herosword @ Sep 26 2004, 12:09 AM)
This topic is from a year back? It's so old! Who ressurected it?
Nam whatever it is
This thread is probably just going to lead to another flame war. Let it die a peaceful death instead of trying to bring it back. Frankenstein taught us that you should never mess with raising the dead; it'll get out of control.
LOL give me a break. Who dares messing around with the Viet clan these days?
viet clan...

ok.. sounds very interesting
Rocky Cuong V
Sep 26 2004, 07:47 AM
LOlz DAI_VIET is Temp Ban for 1months.....damn
Let's see who's left....i suppose the only hard core flamer Left is NQSH, Byron and Nero.......People got Temp Ban, people left AF...man! I suppose it's a good thing..to much flame war can be a headaches..
康师傅
Sep 26 2004, 08:06 AM
QUOTE (Cuong @ Sep 26 2004, 08:47 AM)
LOlz DAI_VIET is Temp Ban for 1months.....damn
Let's see who's left....i suppose the only hard core flamer Left is NQSH, Byron and Nero.......People got Temp Ban, people left AF...man! I suppose it's a good thing..to much flame war can be a headaches..
hahah Dai Viet....
but think at this way.. with out flames.. AF will be boring as hell
dalawapo
Sep 26 2004, 02:37 PM
byron is no enemy of mine
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Sep 26 2004, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 26 2004, 09:06 AM)
QUOTE (Cuong @ Sep 26 2004, 08:47 AM)
LOlz DAI_VIET is Temp Ban for 1months.....damn
Let's see who's left....i suppose the only hard core flamer Left is NQSH, Byron and Nero.......People got Temp Ban, people left AF...man! I suppose it's a good thing..to much flame war can be a headaches..
hahah Dai Viet....
but think at this way.. with out flames.. AF will be boring as hell
And you shouldn't be having two accounts
Anyway, why is Dai Viet so hardcore these days? Even I've moderated somewhat.
Rocky Cuong V
Sep 27 2004, 05:00 AM
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 27 2004, 09:04 AM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 26 2004, 09:06 AM)
QUOTE (Cuong @ Sep 26 2004, 08:47 AM)
LOlz DAI_VIET is Temp Ban for 1months.....damn
Let's see who's left....i suppose the only hard core flamer Left is NQSH, Byron and Nero.......People got Temp Ban, people left AF...man! I suppose it's a good thing..to much flame war can be a headaches..
hahah Dai Viet....
but think at this way.. with out flames.. AF will be boring as hell
And you shouldn't be having two accounts
Anyway, why is Dai Viet so hardcore these days? Even I've moderated somewhat.
haha, "somewhat".
I do admit, AF is kinda quiet and boring with Flame wars around..
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