2/08/2005

A group of 67 ethnic Khmer from Vietnam have been attempting to seek asylum with the United Nations refugee agency in the Cambodian capital, Phnom Penh.

At least 24 Buddhist monks are said to be among the group gathered at the UNHCR office in the city.

They arrived at the building after being ordered to leave a pagoda near Phnom Penh, where they had been granted shelter.

A spokesman for the group says they were forced to leave Vietnam after suffering persecution from the authorities.

The UNHCR says most of the group have been officially recognised as asylum-seekers, but that the process of deciding on their refugee status has yet to be finalised.

The refugee agency also says the group is to be allowed to return to the pagoda.

The asylum-seekers came from a part of southern Vietnam comprising the Mekong Delta.

Their region, home to about 12 million ethnic Khmers, was incorporated into what is now Vietnam 56 years ago.

http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/s1428702.htm

where da fuk did u get this figure of 12 millions Khmer in southern vietnam? give me an up to date proof... if there are in fact 12 millions khmers as u claimed.. then every 2nd person in southern vietnam today is Khmer.... get ur fact right

^ Umm that was part of the article... and more like 1 in every 8.. lol.

IS IT A BIG COMPLEX ISSSUE?

SIMPLY, I DON'T SEE WHY THE UNHCR AND OUR GOVERNMENT WAS NOT TAKEN ANY SERIOUS ACTION TO PROVIDE HUMANITY ASSISTANCES TO SUPPORT THESE GROUP OF 67 ETHNIC KHMER, ESPECIALLY 24 OF THEM ARE MONKS FROM VIETNAM TO STAY PEACEFULLY IN THEIR HOMELAND.

THE UNCHR SHOULD ACTS IN THE HUMANITY WAY TO ACCEPTED AND ALLOWED THESE PEOPLE TO STAY, AS THEY ARE ALL HAS A REASONS OF SEEKING PEACE AND FREEDOM FROM VIETNAM, PLUS ALL THEM ARE ETHNIC KHMERS, I ASSUME THEY ALL FOLLOWS KHMER LANGUAGE AND RELIGION. SO I DON'T SEE WHY THEY ARE NOT ALLOWING THESE ETHNIC KHMERS TO STAY, INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING FORIEGN POLICIES.

SPEAKING OF FORIEGN POLICIES, CAMBODIA'S GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE MORE RESTRICTED, BY NOT ALLOWING ILLEGAL VIETNAMESE TO SETTLE IN CAMBODIA, AS MANY OF THEM HAS ALREADY SETTLED IN CAMBODIA, MOSTLY IN PHNOM PENH AND SIEM REAP, IT SEEMS THAT THE DOOR IS WIDELY OPENED FOR THEM.

THIS ARTICLE DID NO MENTIONED OUR GOVERNMENT ACTION TOWARD THESE ISSUES, PROBABLY OUR KHMER POLITICIANS WAS TOO BUSY DOING NOTHING.

He said South Vietnam(which is wear most Khmer Krom live) which has a population of about 30 million, so does that mean about 1 out of every 2 people in South Vietnam is a Khmer?

^ I'm talking about the article dude. He didn't write that part himself.

http://www.answers.com/topic/demographics-of-vietnam

Shows the population of Khmer Krom people to be about 8 million but this is the 1999 census so it's been a couple years. The latest figures I've read here are around 10 to 13 million.

I'd actually like to see these estimates for myself. As close to pre-1975 and post-1975 as possible too.

Wow, this statement from an international news source will certainly BLOW the Vietnamese CLAIM that they took Kampuchea Krom over 200 hundreds years ago. Hahhahah. Vietnam must let the Khmer Krom people go and NOW!!!!! The Big Boss Soviet Unions of the Vietnam had already let their subjugated states of Lithunania, Latvia, and Estonia free after over half a century already. So Vietnam must follow its Big Boss' lead and free Kampuchea Krom also or Lower Cambodia. The time to act is NOW Vietnam, it is NOW. If you want to earn the respect that Vietnam should deserve please let Kampuchea Krom be free NOWWWWWWWWW. Besides don't the Vietnamese themselves love to be just by themselves so that they can show off to the world how proud and smart as a people they really are, so this should be another reason why Vietnamese should not be mixing with other ethnic groups who are different from the "snow-white skinned" Vietnamese from the North. So to remain PURE and to be the ONE and ONLY people of a Viet RACE on earth, Vietnam must keep its distance from the Cambodians and their LAND of Kampuchea Krom or the Mekong Delta. I hope the proud pure Viet RACE will make the right CHOICE.

Of course that region was incorperated 56 years ago, as there was no Vietnam right before that and was Indochina. Vietnam was created after the French were defeated. Now before the French arrived the region belonged to Annam which is the same thing as Vietnam today.

Before the French left that area was called Cochinchina, which was a separate country under French rule and before the French annexed it, it was part of Annam.

I find so many contradictions in your statement. I believe there were Khmer inhabitants in that region way before Annam was called Annam.

Of course there was Khmers there. In fact it used to be under Khmer adminstration. I'm just saying that it was annexed by Annam prior to the French.

That article is even wrong about it being incorported to Vietnam 56 years ago, as there was no Vietnam, but Indochina that later became North Vietnam and South Vietnam, 2 different countries.

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Sure whatever FKR, and your always known for telling the truth. Please.



There's a difference between claiming something and actually having it. The Khmer Rouge claimed Phu Quoc Island but does that mean they have it?



If you honestly believe Annam was a province of China right before the French came then I don't know what to say to you. Yes the Chinese did claim Annam, but they never took it. Just like how Cambodia claims Phu Quoc, but do they actually have it?





lol from the History Department of the University of Houston.

http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/fbb2.htm



lol it was the Vietnamese court that ceded Cochinchina to the French, and the article even says it was a 3rd of Vietnam.

Well looks like we won't be leaving South Vietnam soon, since it belongs to us like it did before the French arrived.

kampuchea krom was never part of vietnam to begin with. they did not have administrative control over kampuchea krom before the arrival of the french. they had their population settled there but as far as i know, prey nokor was not in the hands of vienamese officials yet until after the french left. khmer kroms got duped by the french. khmer krom should have prepared themselves before the french departed. they should have prepared themselves for a war because no one knew for sure if kampuchea krom was going to be returned back or not.

^Then why did the French take Cochinchina from the Vietnamese court? As my University of Houston article says?

As for Adminstrative control, Phu Quoc Island(Koh Tral) was never under Khmer administration. Even the Phnom Penh Post says this. So Phu Quoc is now ours, since the first time it had an administration was by the French, and they decided to give it to Vietnam.

http://www.angkor.com/news.shtml

i don't believe that BS pro-hun sen pro-viet phnom penh post. as for that BS university of houston article, it obviously does not know the whole history behind kampuchea krom. the viets simply did not have administrative control over kampuchea krom nor did they have control over phu quoc island. these territories belong to cambodia simple as that. the french then made these territories a protectorate in which khmers got duped later on. khmer krom should have prepared themselves for a war because no one knew for sure if kampuchea krom would be returned back to them by the french.

You do know the Phnom Penh Post is an independant newspaper in Cambodia and isn't owned by the government.

As for the University of Houston, if Vietnam never had administrative control, then why would the French get approval from the Vietnamese court to take Cochinchina, and doesn't matter if the article doesn't tell the whole story, it says the Vietnaemse court ceded 1/3 of the Southern part of their land, which is Cochinchina to the French. That is more than enough evidence that it was under Vietnam's adminstrative control.

gkdg

why dun u cambo just shut the fu-k up about Khmer Krom... ya all starting to piss me off... its not like u gonna get khmer khrom back anyway... so just shut the fu-k up....

Um, seems like you're more annoyed by this topic than we are that you have to make topics about it. lol
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37534

Cambodge read your own articles. Your article clearly says in 1867 France conquered all of southern Vietnam which became the French colony of Cochin China. What part of "all of southern Vietnam" did you not get? This is from YOUR SOURCE.

Pathetic try.



I know your angry that your independant Cambodian newspaper written by the Khmer people even admit Phu Quoc island never had a Khmer adminstration, but no need to take your anger out on me. There is no point in getting angry at the messenger.

sgkm

Sorry, but it says France conquered all of southern Vietnam. Not East Cambodia. So your article proves my point that it belonged to Vietnam before the French took it, regardless of the year. Does it mention anything about Cambodia losing Cochinchina to the French? Nope it says all of Southern VIETNAM became Cochinchina in 1867.

Oh and the link to your first source doesn't even work. Your even lucky that I'm considering it.



Gee thank you for giving me this article which says Annam seized Saigon in 1776, proving my point. I guess you finally admitted it.

Boi, PhoYuckingCong, stop quoting my source, you PhoYuckingCong. Why don't you quote your source of 1862. Hahhah. Stop using my source of 1867. You PhoYuckingDarkskingCong. Hhahah

[quote]Annam expanded into the Mekong Delta in the 18th century. Annam (with capital at Hue) seized Saigon in 1776. Annam (an nam = peace of the south) was dynastically divided into separate entities as Tonkin, Annam and Cochin in the 16th century and reunited in 1802, but Cochin, Annam, and Tongking remained separate administrative regions. http://flagspot.net/flags/vn-inchn.html#indochina[/quote]

Gee thank you for giving me this article which says Annam seized Saigon in 1776, proving my point. I guess you finally admitted it.

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YuckyCong, Annam seized ONLY SAIGON in 1776. What is the difference between SAIGON and the whole region of Mekong Delta? Hahha. Having capture One place or locality in the Mekong Delta did not make your Chinese province of Annam own the whole Mekong Delta. Actually, Annam was just Chinese province, so the Viets had no say even back then. Hhahah. Actually, I call you a PhoYuckingCong, does that mean that I call ALL of your family members as well? hahahah.

Doesn't matter, YOUR OWN SOURCE, already proved that Vietnam already had Saigon before the French came.

Nice job in incriminating yourself with your own source.



If you think Vietnam was a Chinese province in the 1800 then I don't know what to say. But it is a historical fact that Cambodia was a colony of Vietnam and Thailand right before the French came.

http://www.country-studies.com/cambodia/do...by-vietnam.html



So since you believed Vietnam was a province of China and Vietnamese shouldn't have a say about land they conquered which wasn't true as Vietnam wasn't a province of China, then I guess using your logic, Cambodia shouldn't have a say about those territories since it was a colony of Vietnam and Thailand right before the French came.

PhoCongYuck, first you are talking about the Mekong Delta and Annam and now you are talking about Saigon and Annam. Which one will it be, you confused PhoCongYuck dark-skinned untypical Viet.

Now you are talking about Cambodia being a colony of Vietnam and Thailand. Don't feel bad PhoCongYuck, after a thousand years of Chinese assimiliation, and you think you are something? Hhahah. Now even your country Vietnam claim the Khmer culture as its own as well. I guess the Viets finally realize that they have nothing to begin with after all. Hhahah. Read up on the "OC EO Culture" by the Vietnamese source. "Oc Eo" is a Khmer word meaning port, and Oc Eo culture is a Khmer culture. Hahhah. Now the Viets are copying the Thais by highly praising the Khmer culture.

Enough of your stubbornhead already. Hahh.

I have no idea what your talking about with this OC EO crap, but again I thank you for proving me right on the Vietnam had Cochinchina right before the French came.

PhoCongYuck, I ONLY negate you, you silly dark-skinned Viet. You said that Annam annexed the Mekong Delta before the French arrival, YouPhoCongYuck. I prove you wrong and now you must worship me as your Khmer master. Mekong Delta was a part of CoChin, not Annam, you PhoCongYuck. Hhaha.

Cochinchina was part of Vietnam right before the French came. Not part of Cambodia. Have a nice day.

Cambodge warned for attacking member.

I'm trying to be as neutral and unbiased as possible. I just want to give a little of my two cents. I haven't done that much reading about this issue, but I know the crucial points in SE Asian history.

I believe Cochinchina (S. Vietnam) was Khmer territory to begin with, but the land didn't have many people living there. It was basically considered a wasteland. Knowing this, the viets saw this as an opportunity to expand their empire south or move their population downward. At the same time, the viets was having somekind of war, and so sought permission from the King of the Khmer empire to settle in Cochinchina for refuge. As already mentioned, the land wasn't populated by many Khmers, so basically as time went on, more and more viets moved in and eventually outnumbered the Khmers. This was good tactic because the larger viet population in Cochinchina allowed the viets to have administrative rights, and basically took control of the land, a tricky move to take land without having to wage war.

So basically, when the French came, they initially thought the land belonged to the viets solely based on the number of people living there. But clearly all along, it was Khmer territory to begin with. Unfortunately, when the French finally left, they gave it to the Viets without negotiating with the Khmers. So this was how the Khmer Krom issue came into play. Many Khmers are still regretful for letting the viet find asylum in Prey Nokor (Saigon) and infuriated because it was transferred to the Viets "illegally" by the French. This is why many Khmers still believe the land belong to Cambodia.

vietnamese you need to make your arse more productive. man i notice the time you are online it seems like 24/7.

get off welfare and go pick some strawberries. 2

you are a sad character going from one forum to another and even cambodian forums, accumulating up tens of thousands of posts. i did some rough calculations of the time you spent on all forums and and it added up to one big LOSER! probably living an easy life on welfare huh? good old canada.

What can I say?

you are working mary jane? just a brief look the the time registered in your pathetic posts reveals that you are lying to yourself. am/pm, seems like 24/7 to me? and that's just on AF alone. you are lying to yourself, how do you feel? 2 only a loser like you could do that.

seriously vietnamese how could you jump from forums to forums registering tens of thousands of posts and claim to be working? unless you call your wannabe posts your work and get paid by ben and other forum owners? pathetic! don't lie to yourself!

just the other day i was searching for cambodian music in a little-known cambodian website and i came across your pathetic posts. 2 it's like you've archived your posts and copy and paste all of them all over the other forums. that's how i found out what a sad character you are. you're working?

and after all of that you still have time to go to university? oh you mean that 3rd grade institution which was only given university status a few years ago? what you didn't study hard enough to get into a proper university? too much time working....on the internet?

oh by the way thanks to your sig i've got merchandises up for sale on ebay. it's claled "Asian Brad Pitt" and i've sold them out already. made some easy money on the internet. more are being ordered. 2

The number of ethnic Khmers living in Vietnam was put at roughly 1.5% of the estimated 83 million people. This figure was the official number released by the Vietnamese government and reflected on the website maintained by the CIA at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vm.html
The number of Khmers living in Vietnam are estimated at around 8 to 12 million people. on the following web site http://www.answers.com/topic/demographics-of-vietnam
www.answers.com claims to take this number from en.wikipedia.org which is an open source project. The contents from en.wikipedia.org are contributed by anyone with internet access. Here's the link to Vietnam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam#Minorities


The content can be altered by following instructions on en.wikipedia.org. Anyone who wish to make the number of Khmers living in Vietnam lower or higher, all you have to do is give en.wikipedia.org a visit. Have fun.

p.s.
Congratulations. The number of Khmers living in Southern Vietnam has been increased to about 100,000,000 (one hundred million) people.

Also, in the link to answer.com provided above, under the Religions section, Buddhists account for 83%, Christianity is another 8%, Cao Dai is another 9 to 10%. That's roughly 100%. The other beliefs include ancestor worshipping which is a lot, maybe as high as 50 - 90% . So, that's a total of 150% to 190%.

^ Hmm. I know that Viet Kinh's follow Mahayana buddhism, as do ethnic the Chinese. Seeing as there is 5% Theravada buddhists, would it be naive to assume that the vast majority of these people are ethnic Khmers?

Btw, don't most people who have ancestor worshipping beliefs tie it to their own religions? Particularly the Buddhists. Cao Dai, being a mixture of religions ancestral beliefs also (I wouldn't know, however). Seeing that you say that ancestor worshipping is at 50%-90% and that Buddhism in both it's forms are at 83% and Cao Dai adds in another 9-10% or so, wouldn't that make a little sense?

I was trying to put a little humor into these "debates". The numbers from wikipedia.org is totally unreliable and unverified. wikipedia.org explicitly states that on their web site. If people believe in the numbers provided by the Vietnamese government (which I don't), then Buddhists only account for ~10% of the population which is a little low. In Vietnam, a Buddhist worships both Buddha and their ancestors. However, anyone who worships their ancestors is not necessarily a Buddhist. A great proportion of the population falls into the latter category including the Communist party members. I would know because I was there. This proportion is not mentioned on wikipedia.org

yea, wiki is good for some quick stats, though they're unreliable. Lol. I wouldn't know where to get some reliable info though...