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khmerkrom
have you read news from the bangkok post the thai govermetn also support khmer kampucheakrom beause they trust us better then the hunsen goverment know as the vietnamese puppet goverment the thai never like the vietnamese either just like the cambodia there is tons of weapon underground already for the attack when the hunsen goverment will collapse which it pretty soon


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Byron
Of course the Thais don't like Vietnam. After Vietnam took over Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge ran into Thailand, and Vietnamese troops decided to chase them and started shooting artillery over the Cambodian border into Thailand. Thailand was scared and the U.N pressured Vietnam not to attack Thailand because Thailand would probably be defeated since they have never had a lot of combat experience since they've never been in any real wars. If it wasn't for the U.N I think Thailand would be occupied by Vietnam as well.

Wouldn't it be better if you pushed for peace instead? I wouldn't mind having peace with you.
YManchun
The thais had some experiance in the vietnam war. There were 11,000 troops in the war.
Menikani
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Wouldn't it be better if you pushed for peace instead? I wouldn't mind having peace with you.


Khmer Krom are pushing for PEACE! Many Khmer KRom wants PEACE as well.
Byron
QUOTE (YManchun @ Feb 9 2004, 11:42 PM)
The thais had some experiance in the vietnam war. There were 11,000 troops in the war.

So did the South Koreans who had about 300,000 but at the end they lost. While Vietnamese forgive Americans, they rarely forgive South Koreans back then because they committed so much atrocities in the Vietnam war. They would go to villages and kill every man,woman and child there.

Of course they weren't any match for the North Vietnamese army and Vietcong when they had a fight, but the South Koreans were good at committing atrocities against Vietnamese peasants and innocent civilians.

North Vietnamese army and the Vietcong go so pissed that they destroyed an entire South Korean base in Vietnam and whenever prisoners of war were taken, Americans would be taken as prisoners, but the South Koreans would be executed right on the spot, there were no South Korean prisoners I believe.

Does anyone have any articles with how Thailand performed during the Vietnam war?

Of course South Korea has tried to ask Vietnam for forgiveness and even put up a peace tree in South Korea to symbolize that. I'm not sure if most Vietnamese forgive them or not, but I think they do since about 60% of Vietnamese today were born after the war, so I'm not sure if they remember.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2679007.stm

Some of the memories of atrocities committed during the Vietnam War are being laid to rest today with the opening of a peace park in the south of the country.
It has been largely funded by South Koreans through a newspaper, the weekly Hankyoreh 21 or People 21, which has exposed atrocities committed by South Koreans during the war.

The former South Korean President Kim Dae-jung described the war as an unhappy historical event



South Korea sent about 300,000 soldiers to fight in Vietnam, the second-largest foreign presence fighting against the Communist North after the United States.

In the years since the war, there has been little discussion of the actions of the South Koreans. Now, the opening of the peace park in Phu Yen province is seen by many as an expression of regret.

Readers' donations

Hankyoreh 21 has called the opening a symbolic gesture to reflect a deep-rooted grief over what happened during the Vietnam War.

The paper has run a series of articles about atrocities committed by South Korean troops during the war.

Its readers donated more than $100,000 for the park.

It features a Korean "sottae" memorial, symbolising sanctuary, and a peace museum supported by a Korean group campaigning for truth on the Vietnam War.

It is a subject which has rarely been discussed in either country.

The park is a private initiative, and the opening has not involved any of Seoul's representatives in Vietnam.

Good relations

Despite Hanoi's strong ties with Communist North Korea, which supported North Vietnam in the war, Vietnam has forged a co-operative relationship with South Korea.

The diplomatic relationship is 10 years old and was expanded from economic links to include military ties several years ago.

South Korea is one of Vietnam's top foreign investors, and Vietnam the main recipient of aid from Seoul.

There have been several high-level official exchanges, as well as visits to Vietnam by war veterans.

Sour history

There has been a debate about why South Korea became mired in Vietnam for 12 years.

Vietnam analyst Carl Thayer says the debate has included the South's fear of Communism, given its own experience with North Korea, as well as a feeling of obligation to the US for its support in the Korean War.

South Korean government sources say that Vietnam has never raised the subject of compensation for war atrocities.

The outgoing South Korean President, Kim Dae-jung, described the war as an unhappy historical event, angering veterans at home who, like their counterparts in the US and Australia, have pointed out that they were forced to go to war.
YManchun
And so were the australians and phillipines.



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Of course they weren't any match for the North Vietnamese army and Vietcong when they had a fight


Do you have any proof for this? Our troops are the most well-trained soldiers, they are even better then the americans and probably better then even the british.



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Does anyone have any articles with how Thailand performed during the Vietnam war?


It mentions the Thailand army.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vietnam/allied/
Byron
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/07/nkorea.vietnam/

"The maximum number of South Korean troops there at one time was 50,000. More than 5,000 South Koreans were killed."

Considering the U.S had 2.8 million troops in Vietnam and suffered 58,000 casualities, 5,000 is pretty high for only 50,000 South Koreans fighting at one time.
and the South Koreans did not fight as much as the Americans did since the article you posted pointed out they mostly were used for security for bases.


But it's ok, Vietnam has said it DOESN'T want any apoligies from South Korea since South Korea is one of the biggest investors in Vietnam.

Here's an article on South Koreans in Vietnam and their atrocities for those who are interested.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.guenin/can...nnews/korea.htm

"South Koreans must know about these massacres. They cast shame on us and we have a duty to apologise,'' Ku said. During the Vietnam War, Seoul wholeheartedly supported U.S.-backed South Vietnam, afraid that Washington might withdraw American troops stationed in South Korea. About 300,000 Korean troops fought in the war, and they had a fearsome reputation among ordinary Vietnamese."

"An official at Tay Son's Communist Party history unit said the attacks began in early 1966 and culminated in a massacre of 380 people on February 26, 1966, at a place called Go Dai.
``They (the Korean troops) herded people up onto the hill, shot them and threw grenades,'' he said. ``In some cases they tied old men up... until they died. They tore children apart and threw their (limbs) onto trees,'' he said, adding that some Viet Cong were also killed. The Korean troops threw some bodies into an existing 150-200 metre (500-650 ft) long trench, the official said. Survivors later buried most of the rest of the dead. The names of those who died at Go Dai, along with other known victims of the six-week killing period, were carved on the gravestone, the official said. The number totalled 1,004. "
supernovasp
Was wondering... if South Korean killed Communist Vietnamese or generally killed EVERY vietnamese they passed by in the Vietnam War...
Byron
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Feb 10 2004, 03:39 PM)
Was wondering... if South Korean killed Communist Vietnamese or generally killed EVERY vietnamese they passed by in the Vietnam War...

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.guenin/can...nnews/korea.htm

Here's your answer.
YManchun
The u.s. were better-equipped and had more air support and armor. S.Korea mostly sent infantrymen to fight. The u.s. were also more afraid to take casualties then us and so took less "risks". Our soldiers dropped down to h2h combat more often then the americans also because of the lack of ammo, so there were more risks involved.


Did you ever see them train? One of our soldiers can take on 8 u.s. soldiers and still expect to win. Even the u.s. troops admit that the s.koreans are better-trained then they are.


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Considering the U.S had 2.8 million troops in Vietnam and suffered 58,000 casualities, 5,000 is pretty high for only 50,000 South Koreans fighting at one time.


And 300,000.



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But it's ok, Vietnam has said it DOESN'T want any apoligies from South Korea since South Korea is one of the biggest investors in Vietnam.


O.K. the vietnamese people are forgiving then most. I"m not sure but I think that one of our politicans forgived the atrocities.
Byron
well 5000/320,000 is about is about 1.6% dead while for America. 58000/2800000 is 2.7% dead. So basically less than 168% more Americans died than South Koreans, but America did most of the fighting while your article says that South Koreans mostly only did security at bases and stuff.

See unlike Cambodians, Vietnamese don't really hold grudges.
tqt
There were 9 millions American troops that served the Vietnam war but the maximum number of troops in Vietnam was around 600,000, not to include their allies.
YManchun
I don't deny the atrocities (except a few that were exaggerated) or that a higher percantage of koreans were killed then americans, but saying that they were no match for the NVA or the VC is offensive because it is far from the truth. It was clear from the beginning that the NVA and VC were no match for the korean soldiers.


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America did most of the fighting while your article says that South Koreans mostly only did security at bases and stuff.


ROK troops were in some of the most fiercest fighting in the war. And at one point the s.koreans did mostly do security and such but that didn't make them imperivous from attacks, we conducted as much operations as the americans.
Byron
Are there any numbers with how many Vietcong or NVA?
tqt
One thing that the media has tried to portrait throughout the years is that the Americans were the one who had to do all the fighting and who had to be at the frontline of every battle. One thing the world does not know is that the only reason that the American only lost 58,000 men because the South Vietnamese soldiers were used as "human shield" in almost every operation throughout the war; those South Vietnamese soldiers had to be in the frontline in almost every battle and they had to fight the VC first before any American troops arrived at the scene.

The number of South Vietnamese soldiers died in the war was around 250,000 men
YManchun
QUOTE (Byron @ Feb 10 2004, 04:09 PM)
Are there any numbers with how many Vietcong or NVA that the South Koreans were able to kill?

Yes, there is but the last time I posted it I had to delete them because people thought it was disrespectful.


If you want to know I have to get their permission first to see if it is okay to post it.
WhoAmI
Well, in my opinion, posting up death toll stats for the sole purpse to see "who is better because we killed more" is disgusting and disrespectful to all those who lost their lives in any wars no matter whos side your on.

anyways, i agree that the s.korean soldiers are strong and probably better than the US. but saying "It was clear from the beginning that the NVA and VC were no match for the korean soldiers." is just as foolish as to say "the s.koreans were no match for the NVA or the VC".

im not saying the s.koreans were no match against the NVA and VC, but if the NVA and VC truely was no match against the s.koreans as you make it out to be then wouldnt the s.korean have won? therefore you cannot make that claim either. in fact both claims are rather silly icon_rolleyes.gif.

Dont always look at numbers either. numbers and statistics are sometimes not meaningful and/or misleading. everything is situational.
YManchun
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anyways, i agree that the s.korean soldiers are strong and probably better than the US. but saying "It was clear from the beginning that the NVA and VC were no match for the korean soldiers." is just as foolish as to say "the s.koreans were no match for the NVA or the VC".

im not saying the s.koreans were no match against the NVA and VC, but if the NVA and VC truely was no match against the s.koreans as you make it out to be then wouldnt the s.korean have won? therefore you cannot make that claim either. in fact both claims are rather silly .

Dont always look at numbers either. numbers and statistics are sometimes not meaningful and/or misleading. everything is situational.



O.K. saying "no match for korean soldiers" is an overstatement (I wanted to throw the his own words back at him) for we had our own fare share of casualties and diffuculties but when it came to battle between the two the RoK army usually came out as the victor. And they were well-respected and admired by their allies and enemies alike for their skill and efficency.
sunkyu
I'm South Korean and I'm so sorry for what our father did in vietnam.
chuman88
QUOTE (khmerkrom @ Feb 9 2004, 10:46 PM) *
have you read news from the bangkok post the thai govermetn also support khmer kampucheakrom beause they trust us better then the hunsen goverment know as the vietnamese puppet goverment the thai never like the vietnamese either just like the cambodia there is tons of weapon underground already for the attack when the hunsen goverment will collapse which it pretty soon


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Khermerom is vietnamese! I'm khermerom!!
tenlua02
QUOTE (YManchun @ Feb 10 2004, 01:57 PM) *
And so were the australians and phillipines.





Do you have any proof for this? Our troops are the most well-trained soldiers, they are even better then the americans and probably better then even the british.





It mentions the Thailand army.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vietnam/allied/



are you fkcing kidding me? south korea has a military? i've never seen it. all i see is them relying on the presence of american troops so that their azz wont get stomped on by the north.

what is it with countries who in the last decade manage a few electronic companies all of a sudden come to the realization that they are the best. south korea was a joke and still is to this very day. so the white boys gave them a few tech exchanges and these SK fags think they're better than other asians, they even treat other asians like $hit while they would eat the crap that come out of a white man's azz.

south korea is america's btch and they will always been seen that way. you can't stand on your own two legs and you can't crawl on all four, you need teh west to prop your back up just so you can walk upright, so don't fcking come in here and speak like your country means anything to us dipshiit.

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