Actually, if you read carefully you would notice most of my comment I started out or included a depend clause which say something along the line..."in my opinion" ..etc...regardless, people still have a choice to make and of which to follow...afterall, this is an internet discussion, not an official classroom.
For me, education is a bidirectional. I give what I know and if I am wrong, then tell me why and what I was wrong for...not a chance to subdue your emotional outburst by taking out on your countryman.
(Nếu mà Johanjs không phải là người Việt thì tôi đã "ăn miếng trả miếng" you rồi...trust me, I am capable of

And yet you still haven't answer my previous question..."which part that was wrong and seem confusing to you ?"


Calm down chief
You should only need to debate the relevance of the topic instead of resorting to unnecessary ad hominem to rebut my point. Oh by the way, ad hominem is a form of logic fallacy
If you resorted to that way of argument, you will surely exposed yourself of a trait more of emotional than rational. You were usually not like that "before" dude. So calm down and get back to the topic. I'll give you a second chance since you're my "old pal"

Oh by the way, lthv22, tranquilsea, Hy, and vn1234 give this regard to you...stop being mean to cuteo! (They say cuteo is a cool guy ....I am sure you're still remember all your old pals )





You're really gotten better the days gone by...I am sure all your old pals should be proud of you

Actually "công" means work; labour whereas "việc" means business, affair, job, work incident, occurence matter. Like supernova and I said, too business, cold, and strict. Hardly any fun right supernova ?


The word "hành trình" is a compound word to mean one thing...journey. And if you really know Vietnamese, you now that one word can have many meanings and depending on which word it pairs with. When we write..."hành trình" to mean journey, we write inclusively and exclusively as "hành trình" only, not "hành cước" or "quá trình" or "tiến trình"....don't dissect the word pairing or augment the pairing of the word itself. Just take it as "hành trình" as it is...and what it supposes to mean...journey.

Are you guys bored or what? If it's about grammar I can understand, but this is about style. It all depends on the person.

Just some thoughts:
Goole "công việc học tiếng Việt" -> Result: 0 link.
Goole "hành trình học tiếng Việt" -> Result: 0 link.
Goole "việc học tiếng Việt" -> Result: 2.020 links.

If you use "hành trình học tiếng Việt", you might be that poet.

LOL now blackmailing me? those friends are absent, and friends come and go, and I also come and go, and that's life -- I never mind! I spend my time doing things (or documenting), rarely waste it in arguing. I share what is good or best, and make it very short and clear.

About you, here's in substance what I said^That's what I want you to do, you "cool cuteo", protégé of my friends!

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Now, on topic. I know it's less than uneasy to learn Vietnamese, when your native language has become American English.

Vietnamese was one of my native languages (one which I spoke every day at home, in the streets, at school, everywhere) so it was easy when I learnt (not in school) how to spell and read it. That was all I needed to start reading newspapers and then, books. I could borrow (for a very cheap sum) new books at a bookshop in Saigon and I read on, and on (on Saturdays and Sundays I read up to 8 novels or volumes a day), until there was nothing I hadn't read, and from then on I had to wait for the next newly published novel to come out... That's was how I learnt Vietnamese. And I have a more than excellent memory. I'm lucky. [Mind you, in my family we had no TV, no video games, no computer, no nothing, just the radio, and twice or thrice a week we went out to the movies... so I had only those books (and others, in French, from my school library), and that was all I had, and I was lucky!]

So, that's also what I recommend to you all.

1. Just learn how to spell and read Vietnamese (learn the correct pronunciation while you're at it).

2. Read the maximum of books in Vietnamese that you can (you will get used to acquiring new Vietnamese vocabulary, and to brushing up your already acquired words and phrases).

3. Keep away from those who know too much (they are the most talkative) and finally, who know nothing (ha ha, yes they are nice... but no, they are wrong).

4. Don't argue. Think.

5. Optionally, if you have the time, use your blog to share your experience.

Totally agree with Preydominator
It's just the personal TASTE in using words after all.
Although "việc học tiếng Việt" is the standard and more often used one, "hành trình học tiếng Việt" seems ok TO ME.
I think adding a personal style into one's wording is not something that should be discouraged, as long as it is within the socially accepted limit. So, unless someone uses "xa lộ học tiếng Việt", other alternatives sound fine, whether it's "việc học tiếng Việt", "hành trình học tiếng Việt" or "con đường học tiếng Việt" (<-- PERSONALLY, this one sounds less awkward than "công việc...", less cold than "việc.." and less arguable than "hành trình...". And I'd like to capitalize 'personally' in case some linguistic nitpickers here might pick me to pieces *praying*)

Also wondered about this too. My Vietnamese is horrible, but I did hear a few good things about the Rosetta Stone software. $199 does sound a little to pricey. How much better can you get learning a language from a computer?

Read the customers' reviews here on amazon.com, it will help you decide

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...33-20/ref=nosim

(if you already speak Vietnamese, I don't think it's for you -- too basic)

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@cuteo,

hey, I'm sorry, buddy

I meant to make you think it over, for it would be such a waste if you don't take it seriously, and improve your orthography/spelling. Here's your homework until next time: read this. I'm sure you've not read this story yet. Spend some time on it, it's well written Vietnamese with a good amount of Hán-Việt, and it's a very good read.

btw, do you still live here?

Latitude 21°01' N
Longitude 105°48' E

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Hi you guys! I grew up in California speaking Vietnamese only with my family so I'm an intermediate speaker at best. I would like to expand my vocabulary by reading Vietnamese books. Does anyone know any websites where i can buy simple (not novels) books to read? Thanks in advance!

Hi tifania,

I'm afraid there nothing "simple" as you would want it! for... you already know by now all that is simple!

I would just encourage you to read novels directly, even the most voluminous ones. You will learn along the way! might be just weird the first 30 pages, and then it's all pleasure when you're into the story. I couldn't stop reading, always more and more earnestly. And it was wonderful!!!

I think it should be "anh ấy" not "anh ái", also, the modification of those words are mainly used by southerners, I don't think northerners ever use those unless they have a mixed accent. By the way, are you from Danang cause i notice ur sig., the bridge pic.

Oh, nice to meet you all

how do you say.. i miss you in vietnamese?

to whom do you address this? there are dozens of ways you can say it, depending on the person you are talking to-- not like English where you can just say, "I miss you," to anyone.

how would you say it if you're addressing it to a loved one.. someone special.

For a boy to a girl: Anh yêu em.
For a girl to a boy: Em yêu anh.
Neutral: Tôi yêu bạn.

hmm i thought his asking for miss not love ?>

Well instead of yêu i think we can replace it with Nhớ (cant think of a better word atm) but meh if his not viet then y r we typing in viets coz he doesnt know how to pronounce it anyway.

Whats this mean? I only understands bits and pieces. Thanks very much!

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chi bi thuong nho . sao lau nay chi khong goi mail cho em , chi gian em chuyen gi ha chi bi. em nho chi nhieu lam , o day em van khoe . khi nao chi nhn mil nay chi goi lai cho em nhan.em chi ra sao roi co chuyen gi khong ke cho em nghe di .thoi khi nao ranh chi goi mail cho em nhan , em cho do bay gio em phai di hoc.chuc vui ve

Roughly something like this

Dear Chi Bi (or i miss chi bi),
why haven't you emailed for a while? Are you mad at me? Why are you mad at me? I miss you a lot! i'm fine here.. when you receive this mail, mail me back! how's your sister? any stories you can tell me? Nevermind, when you're free, email me! I have to go to school now. Hope you are happy!

..

Wow tadeo you gotta brush up on your Vietnamese..wtf man..

..

Keep up the good work on the infos.. Im filipino, but always trying to catch some new stuff.. hehe

So the main stream stuff imma use are:( i try not to go back and remember that way haha so dont mind the spelling)

Toy kong Beyet- I dont know
Anh tien Ric- My name is Ric
Sin chow- Hello

=)

The spelling r wrong but still good job! as long as u can pronounce it correctly :P

ha ha, you know what 'cuteo' mean ? it's a VNese name, i think u r talking to a VNese, bro, ha ha, teach an VNese how to talk his mothertongue, very funny

I'd like to know what these words mean in Vietnamese:

Song
Fish
Sex
Car
River
Heterosexual
Sick
Airplane
Fart
Kill
Music


I am not of Vietnamese extraction, so this might be my first glimpse of the Vietnamese language.

lol that's so cute how u spell it according to the sounds. but hey good job because i can understand what ure trying to say.

Follow the accent marks. if it points down, then pronounce the word with a low accent. if it points up, then go high. if it's a squiggly line or a question mark then go down then up. if it has no accent marks, then pronounce it like u would like english.

Song: bài ca

Fish: cá

Sex: gender: giống đực (masculine gender) giống cái (feminine gender) the "gi" in giong is pronounced like a "z"
making love: làm tình
f*ck: du (you would only use this word when cussing at someone)
there's really no word for "sex", they're all verbs....no nouns.

Car: xe

River: dòng sông (the "d" is pronounced like a "y" so it's "yong song")

Heterosexual: i don't think there's any word for this since everyone is considered heterosexual unless otherwise specified in which then we have words for homosexuals....which arent that pleasant and only apply to men. i dont think there's a term for lesbians. we just call them "girls who like girls."

Sick: benh

Airplane: máy bay

Fart: đit

Kill: giết

Music:nhạc

Bat dau, toi khong phai la nguoi Kinh, ma toi la nguoi Phi Luat Tan(Filipino) chanh tong, hoc Viet-ngu duoc hon 3 nam roi. May ban be cua toi toan la nguoi Viet va nguoi Cham Vietnam, thanh ra nen biet noi tieng Viet.

"Nguoi biet hai ngon ngu, gia tri bang hai nguoi."

Xin cam on quy vi!

wow....nguoi phi ma viet tieng viet hay the. cong phut cong phut.

What does that mean in English?

It means, "First, I'm not a Vietnamese, but a Filipino that has learned the language for three years now. Most of my friends are Vietnamese or ethnic Cham from Vietnam, so therefore I learned the language. A person that knows two languages is worth two people. Thanks everyone."

Thats it.

where did you find the translator program for the chu nom?

Quick question:

What do people mean when they say someone (perhaps as a male) "áo vải cơ hàn" ?

never heard of such word in Vietnam. if there is such a word, i believe that it is restricted to the overseas vietnamese community.

many words used in overseas vietnamese community havent changed since ... 50 years ago while vietnamese language in vietnam has progressed significantly. and the way sentence formed in overseas vietnamese language is quite funny. It doesnt fit into any style at all.

Is there a way you can translate this American song into Vietnamese:

What you gon' do with all that junk?
All that junk inside your trunk?
I'ma get, get, get, get, you drunk,
Get you love drunk off my hump.
My hump, my hump, my hump, my hump, my hump,
My hump, my hump, my hump, my lovely little lumps (Check it out)

I drive these brothers crazy,
I do it on the daily,
They treat me really nicely,
They buy me all these ices.
Dolce & Gabbana,
Fendi and NaDonna
Karan, they be sharin'
All their money got me wearin' fly
Brother I ain't askin,
They say they love my @$$ ‘n,
Seven Jeans, True Religion's,
I say no, but they keep givin'
So I keep on takin'
And no I ain't taken
We can keep on datin'
I keep on demonstrating.

My love (love), my love, my love, my love (love)
You love my lady lumps (love),
My hump, my hump, my hump (love),
My humps they got you,

She's got me spending.
(Oh) Spendin' all your money on me and spending time on me.
She's got me spendin'.
(Oh) Spendin' all your money on me, up on me, on me

What you gon' do with all that junk?
All that junk inside that trunk?
I'ma get, get, get, get, you drunk,
Get you love drunk off my hump.
What you gon' do with all that @$$?
All that @$$ inside them jeans?
I'm a make, make, make, make you scream
Make you scream, make you scream.
Cos of my hump (ha), my hump, my hump, my hump (what).
My hump, my hump, my hump (ha), my lovely lady lumps (Check it out)

I met a girl down at the disco.
She said hey, hey, hey yea let's go.
I could be your baby, you can be my honey
Let's spend time not money.
I mix your milk wit my cocoa puff,
Milky, milky cocoa,
Mix your milk with my cocoa puff, milky, milky riiiiiiight.

They say I'm really sexy,
The boys they wanna sex me.
They always standing next to me,
Always dancing next to me,
Tryin' a feel my hump, hump.
Lookin' at my lump, lump.
You can look but you can't touch it,
If you touch it I'ma start some drama,
You don't want no drama,
No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama
So don't pull on my hand boy,
You ain't my man, boy,
I'm just tryn'a dance boy,
And move my hump.

My hump, my hump, my hump, my hump,
My hump, my hump, my hump, my hump, my hump, my hump.
My lovely lady lumps (lumps)
My lovely lady lumps (lumps)
My lovely lady lumps (lumps)
In the back and in the front (lumps)
My lovin' got you,

She's got me spendin'.
(Oh) Spendin' all your money on me and spending time on me.
She's got me spendin'.
(Oh) Spendin' all your money on me, up on me, on me.

What you gon' do with all that junk?
All that junk inside that trunk?
I'ma get, get, get, get you drunk,
Get you love drunk off my hump.
What you gon' do with all that @$$?
All that @$$ inside them jeans?
I'ma make, make, make, make you scream
Make you scream, make you scream.
What you gon' do with all that junk?
All that junk inside that trunk?
I'ma get, get, get, get you drunk,
Get you love drunk off this hump.
What you gon' do wit all that breast?
All that breast inside that shirt?
I'ma make, make, make, make you work
Make you work, work, make you work.

(A-ha, a-ha, a-ha, a-ha) [x4]

She's got me spendin'.
(Oh) Spendin' all your money on me and spendin' time on me
She's got me spendin'.
(Oh) Spendin' all your money on me, up on me, on me.

[Will.i.am]
So real [x17]

It just means the man is poor or comes from humble background. This expression is mostly used in literature or plays.

@ Trash Cleaner

People still use this phrase today, even in Vietnam.

http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Van-hoa/S...003/02/3B9C5227

i see "áo vũ cơ hàn", not "áo vải cơ hàn"

"áo vải" is an informal phrase.

"cơ hàn" is a formal phrase. (i guess it means "difficulty" ...."cơ" is similar to "cơ cực"? "hàn" is similar to "rách", "lạnh"...?)

i dont think people in vietnam patches the 2 phrase together like that.


"vũ" is a more formal and it probably makes more sense to form the phrase "áo vũ cơ hàn".

but still, most vietnamese in vietnam wouldnt know what it means.

My bad. Here's a better link: http://www4.thanhnien.com.vn/Thegioitre/2007/7/28/202804.tno





I can see how most Vietnamese, in Vietnam or overseas, don't use this in spoken language or even in everyday writing, because it sounds too "cải lương"; but I would be very surprised if a large number of Vietnamese in Vietnam, particularly those in the South, were not familiar with it. For one, if you ever watch "cải lương", you would have more than likely heard of the expression and know what it means.

c...

ahem, no one is translating my song.

Hi-I'm interested in learning some Vietnamese slang-is there someone here who can please help me out?

Hey everyone, is there some audio cd's (or online audio) that could help me learn vietnamese? I used to be fluent until I was 12, but haven't used it for the past 8 years...so I'm pretty much starting all over =/

Any help would be great!

Thanks,
Sean

Hello. I am interested in and am doing research on Vietnamese youth, street and college slang for a project I'm working on.

I'd like to know:

What are Vietnamese slang terms and expressions for:

tomboy
tough girl
delinquent girl
girl prone to fighting
woman prone to fighting
cool guy
cool girl


Please let me know, and please list as many slangs as possible. Thank you.

- Tám = being noisy
- Vô tư = don't mind us/me
- Vi tính = you good
- Tinh vi = show off
- trắng phớ = get to the point
- Không hề = just do it
- Bập = Taken/score
- Ứ chịu = don't want it
- Cực kỳ = beautiful
- Rước = buy
- Xiềng= on the dot
- bà cố = master of exaggeration
- Củ chuối = smart mouth
- NATO = never action talk only
- Chuồn chuồn = virgin (guy)
bươm bướm = virgin (girl)
- Lác = lier
- Dẹo = juice it out
- Nhão = superficial
- Bèo = good deal
- Không có cửa = dead end
- MBA = Married but available!
- Cháy IC = too much for me

Of course I am no expert, should also check with other

go to the forum topic title: Learn Vietnamese posted by konstant

Hello-thank you for responding. I forgot to add:


What are Vietnamese slang terms and expressions for:

tough guy
delinquent boy
guy prone to fighting
gangster

let me know, and please list as many slangs as possible. Thank you.

hi there,
i heard today something sounding like chey shay
can anyone tell me what that means

these sounds i got from my yahoo messenger Viet audibles, my friend couldnt quite translate them for me coz they are slangs..

Đáng đời!
Đồ wỉ shứ nè
Tinh vi nó vừa vừa thôi nhá!

You're dead right you are not expert, because you got some right and some wrong. Perhaps you had learnt some slang from some locality but those slang vocab would not be understood elsewhere.

One that's absolutely wrong is "Cuc ky" because it means "extremely" which means it has to be used with another adjective, most of the time. By itself it does not mean "beautiful", as you suggested.

A second one that's absolutely wrong is "Khong he". It means "No" with a very strong emphasis. "Toi khong he lam viec nay!" means "I (absolutely) did not do that!". It does not mean and in fact is the opposite of "just do it", as you suggested.

And, 'vi tinh" is simply "computer!"

Plus: "U chiu" means "I do not accept" but with a tone is is reserved for close and intimate relationships, which actually can also mean "yes."

Wow I was surprised at some of the pronounciations. When I speak Vietnamese my tone might is a bit off. Learning Vietnamese is really hard imo.

Looked up the word "Happiness" and got these. Which one is the correct one?

Hi, For common it's niềm vui sướng, niềm hạnh phúc or just simple: hạnh phúc.
Many words in Vietnamese mean Happy in English
Happy can mean vui, sướng, hạnh phúc
But vui is not hạnh phúc and not sướng somehow
1 sentence can have many meanings so you should understand it by feelings
Vietnamese is the most difficult language to study you must cost too much time to understand it and if you want it, come and get it done, many people here can help you