Ok check this out. this is kinda of umm peculiar. I realized something and wonder if anybody notice this:

The heart of China is in the north around the Yellow River. (It was called the Yellow river because it gives a yellowish brown color)
The heart of Vietnam is in the north around the Red River. (It was called the Red River because it gives a redish brown color)

China was constantly attacked by peoples from the north. (China was often raided by nomads on horseback from the north who pillaged the cities.)
Vietnam was constantly attacked by peoples from the north. (also could be looked backwards with Vietnam often being raided by seafaring people from the south (champa).)

China was at one time conquered by peoples from the north (mongols).
Vietnam was at one time conquered by peoples from the north (chinese).

After constantly been attacked by peoples from the north, China expanded their empire southwards.
After constantly been attacked by peoples from the north, Vietnam expanded their empire southwards.

Chinese people began moving south to the conquered lands increasing agricultural production.
Vietnamese people began moving south to the conquered lands increasing agricultural production.

China had to deal with snotty imperialistic europeans (british).
Vietnam had to deal with snotty imperialistic europeans (french).

China's southern city Hong Kong (or you can look at ShangHai) is a bustling city with modern influence and a source of economic growth.
Vietnam's southern city Saigon(Ho Chi Minh City) is a bustling city with modern influence and a source of economic growth.

In the south near Hong Kong, there is a place called Kowloon or "Kow lung" meaning Nine Dragons. Named because of the nine mountains located there.
In the south near SaiGon, the Vietnamese called the Mekong Delta "Cuu Long" meaning Nine Dragons. Named because of the nine branching rivers that flow out to the sea.

Sandra, one of our members, pointed this one out in another thread:
China has a Sai Kung in southern China.
Vietnam has a Sai Gon in southern Vietnam.

thats pretty weird man haha

Not only that, we also absorbed the land in the north. but Vietnamese never owned any territory of China.

British, Americans, Germans, Japanese, French, Russians.

ahha...intesting...
weird yea...

Yes strange isnt it? Vietnam and Korea have a lot of historical similarities too. though not as strange as the one on China and Vietnam, it is still interesting too:

Both Vietnam and Korea had been influenced by China.

Both Vietnam and Korea were once incorporated into the Chinese empire. (Vietnam experiencing a longer and harsher occupation.)
Both Vietnam and Korea were once incorporated into the Japanese empire. (Korea experiencing a longer and harsher occupation.)

Both fought many foreign invaders and mangaged to preserve their identiy.

Both, after WW2, were split into North and South. With which a war soon was fought between the division. (of course Korea is still divided though)

so from the first encounter with China's first emperor Qin Shi Huang Di's troops to last centuries division and war. whew.

I've encountered many Vietnamese people here in the U.S., someone of them grew up here, and got the impression that they all believe the Vietnamese people were treated harshly when it was part of China. However, none of them said how or why just that they were told so.

So that got me wondering. What exactly did the Chinese do during the "occupation" that was so harsh? During the Japanese occupation of Korea, Koreans were forced to speak Japanese, wear Japanese clothes, adopt Japanese names, and the Korean culture was outlawed. Korean women were also made "comfort women", which are nothing more than whores who don't get to pick their... "client". So what did the Chinese do to the Vietnamese that was so harsh? I really would like to know.

lol, because we set a province there, and we all know vietnamese people are stubborn and rebellious, that's why.

From what I know, Vietnam was never seen as a province of China. Vietnam, along with Korea, were made vessel states. They had autonomy and governed themselves while they pay tributes to China and in return, China offers protection from other nations.

a part of North Vietnam was made a province for about 30 years during Qing dynasty....

Kinda like the Romans eh? Anyway what you hear may not be true... don't the larger countries oppress their "vessel states". And that's a freaky chain of coincidences.

I guess judging by how U.S. is treating its "vessel states", that would pretty much be true.

Then can we apply that to China and Vietnam?

I never said that China didn't treat Vietnam bad, I never said that they did either. I just wanted to know if anyone know of any actual incidents that happened which made the Chinese "occupation" so harsh. You can't just say "Oh, well, China was the larger country so they must have treated Vietnam harshly." That would be assuming without evidence.

However way you want to apply, cevil. "Harsh" is very subjective, you can only examine the facts and come up your own conclusion.

Exactly... which is why a couple posts ago, I asked for evidence and facts, specific events that occurred which made Chinese rule "harsh".

People people. this is a comparison. when i said harsher i meant vietnamese experience a harsher occupation COMPARED to the occupation of koreans. and if you want to know what the chinese did you can research it yourself. i dont want any flames in this section or in asiafinest. i didnt mean to make the chinese look bad here i just want to share some interesting comparison.

so what do you think about it?

The comparisons are quite interesting.

The reason why I asked people here to provide evidence and facts on what the Chinese did to Vietnamese but not Koreans to make Chinese occupation in Vietnam harsher than in Korea is because I've done research myself and the only information I've ever gotten is that "Chinese were mean to Vietnamese" with no actual recorded incidents.

cultural assimilation like burning most of the bronze drums are harsh...

When I asked for evidence and facts, I didn't mean for people to randomly blurt out things they might have heard from their parents or other people or might have made up themselves. I meant if they would kindly provide a link to a website or books.

You kinda have to look at a lot of different history books or webpages on Vietnam. I mean i dont think theres like a list of stuff that the past chinese people did to the past vietnamese it is kinda buried in the history info. you just have to read a lot (0_o) that could take awhile. and i dont really have any links for you because to be honest i dont like reading about really really bad stuff happening to vietnamese people so i dont try to remember any of the details or anything. plus i dont even remember where all the stuff i read online is at (o_O).

Thanks anyway.

Just to clear things up, I wasn't trying to deny (or admit) that Chinese had done harsh things to Vietnamese. I am merely curious as to what my ancestors did in the past. Unlike the Japanese government who wish to white-wash their history and not teach their youth about their past World War II crimes in China and Korea, I wish to know if and what bad things my ancestors have done in the past in order to learn from their mistakes.

Hmmmm

It's people like you that prevent the bettering of relationship between China and Vietnam.

If you express hatred, you will only receive it in return.

Not very "Christian" of you...

Oh I did was just answer your question about what China did to Vietnam that was so wrong. All I did was just give you what you wanted. And now all of a sudden you brand me as the bad guy.

Well for one thing, if you had read the whole thread, you'd know that we are talking about Chinese occupation of Vietnam hundreds of years ago, namely during the Han Dynasty.

Second, you've already mentioned the very same comment which demonized Chinese in another thread which you are very well aware that I have been participating in. Repeating yourself won't make you right.

Actually it's a reverse. The whole Southern China should belong to the the Bai Yue. The Vietnamese are the descendents of the Bai Yue.

Actually it's a reverse. The whole Southern China should belong to the the Bai Yue. The Vietnamese are the descendents of the Bai Yue.

so? you are talking about thousand years ago,nowday people live in southern china are not vietnamese,why should southern china belong to vietnam?

The definition China is the Central Plain, somewhere around the Yellow River. The Bai Yue was once there. It's the tendency to take it back, which makes more sense.

dude this topic is over 1 year old, why you have to bring it up again?

ok..........................native americans should kick all whites,blacks,and asians out of america bcuz they didnt belong to here in the first place.

southern vietnam was belong to camdodia,give it back to the camdodians

give califronia to mexico since it was belong tot eh mexicans.


YEAH RIGHT

go whinning somewhere else,internet will get you nowhere

1 year old topic just dug up.LOL
Vietnam is like a tiny version of China