I never heard of it. What happened?

"SAN FRANCISCO--Vietnamese communities in the United States, Europe and Australia are protesting the Jan. 8 killing of Vietnamese fishermen by the Chinese navy. On that day, navy ships from the People's Republic of China shot and killed nine Vietnamese fishermen and injured seven others in the Vinh Bac Bo (Gulf of Tonkin). Eight fishermen were kidnapped.
Photo of recent Chinese navy visit to Guam by Nathanael T. Miller.

According to Thanh Nien (Youth) newspaper in Ho Chi Minh City, the fishing boat owned by Phan Van Quan was able to escape after the attack, but one crewman was killed and five others critically wounded. Another ship from Hung Vuong Company incurred a much heavier attack -- eight crewmen were killed and two wounded. The Chinese detained all surviving crewmen as well as the ship.

Survivors of the Jan. 8 massacre reported that the incident took place in Vietnam's territorial waters, at or near the intersection of parallel 19.16 North and meridian 107.06 East. That's 10 miles west of the nearest border mark of the common fishing area between Vietnam and China.

In reaction to a weak protest from Hanoi issued five days after the incident, China called the killings an act of self-defense against "armed pirates" intending to capture Chinese fishing boats. The allegation is absurd; small wooden boats, even if they were armed, would never "attack" larger Chinese boats protected by naval vessels armed with machine guns and cannons. Reports from Western news agencies made no mention of any aggressive behavior from the Vietnamese fishermen. In the view of legal experts, the fact that the Chinese naval vessels penetrated Vietnam's territorial waters to kill and capture Vietnamese fishermen and seize their property constitutes a grave act of armed aggression.

The Jan. 8 killing is far from an isolated incident. According to Reuters, China detained 80 Vietnamese fishermen in the month of December. The Vietnamese coast guard reported a total of 1,107 illegal incursions by Chinese boats into Vietnam's waters during 2004.

The incident, in fact, can be added to a consistent pattern of Chinese expansionism in the Eastern Sea: conquest of the Paracel Islands in 1974; occupation of the Spratly archipelagoes in 1979; and annexation of 12,000 square meters of territorial waters in the Vinh Bac Bo conceded by Hanoi under the 2000 Vinh Bac Bo Pact.
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Notice that the Chinese court judged the vietnamese innocent.

That's horrible, the Chinese had NO good reason to shoot.

That's just awful. And I'm certain that many of the Chinese people feel very badly for this to have happened as well.

I suppose it's not easy for any government to make any official apology out to another nation. Japan has also been unwilling to apologize to China after so many Chinese protests and whatnot.

But if the fault lies with those certain Chinese and the government, I would like to apologize on behalf of them (not that I matter much, though ).

Well at the beginning the Chinese called them pirates and they claimed they were justified in shooting them.

It was printed in Chinese newspapers and Indian ones as well labelling them pirates.

But after a while, the Chinese court in Hainan who had to judge the remaining "pirates" found them not guilty and released them back to Vietnam.

Sad part is that no Chinese or Indian newspapers didn't write the fact that they were found not guilty as much as when they were accused of being pirates.

So that means Chinese will probably see Vietnamese fishermen as "pirates" and "criminals" even though they were found not guilty by the Chinese court after the investigations and evidence was presented.

Oh well at least they were found not guilty.

THeta.... thank you for ur apology, at least there r still a sane Chinese out there.... i m so god damn furious about the incident..... and even more the fu-k up Viet coMMIE gOVERNment is to weak and coward to even let the people to demonstrate against the chinese goverment when that incident took place... fu-ken Commie

You shouldn't have to apoligize. You didn't do anything. Burdens should be placed on individuals, not their race.

It would be a sad world where people who haven't done anything get the blame for the sins of the past.

Normally I wouldn't post in a topic like this. However china shouldn't have attacked them within vietnam's waters. They simply should have waited for them to enter their territory. Warn them to surrender and if they don't comply. THEN kill them. Then again the more I think about it the issue really has nothing to do with me but since I typed this may as well post.

Errr no comment.

thanks for ur apology and its not the Chinese people fault, its the Chinese government's.

hehe a counter to the "Why Japanese don't Apologize" Movement in the Chinese Chat.

Good one... Anyhow they should apologize for not warning them and killing them. The sea is a very dangerous place , but they obviously broke the law by not warning them and asking them to cooperate first. I will apologize on behalf of them.

But the thing was, they were found not guilty by the Chinese court themselves. Basically they were innocent of the charges, so why would they get a warning when they didn't commit any crimes according to the Hainan court.

That's why I don't feel sympathetic to the PRC when Japan initated a plan to develop an undersea oil reserve...

The PRC is a lawless, imperialist nation. Unfortunately, the Vietnamese communists don't have the balls to do anything to defend their own citizens.

$hit, thats bad feel sorry for those fisherman

thats pretty fuked up then if they wernt pirates or spies

hey, it was one incident, dont go blaming the PRC for everything

The PRC was right not to apologize. Deal with it.

Don't blame everything on us. It takes two to tango.

because last time vietnamese are fired on chinese fish boat too...and vietnamese government didn't apologize either...

yeay shoot them all they are probably pirates anyway.

So I can come over your house, murder your whole damn family and you would would not blame me bacause "It takes two to tango." Tell me, what did the indivudual fishermen do wrong to deserve death? Would you have the same feelings if your relatives were the one hurt? I didn't think so, so SHUT THE fu-k UP.

Pirates in Vietnam's water.. right

yes come to my house. i know that ugly face of yours.
what they did wrong is what what they did to get themselves killed .
so "punk?" hehehe no apologies in a million years!

中国驻越南大使馆则告诉媒体，以前曾多次发生过越南船只朝中方船只开火的事件，死伤者多数是中方人员，中方渔民无端被抓的也不少。


it said, vietnam boats constantly fire on chinese ships and majority people who die or injuried are chinese, and some chinese fishmen got caught without any reasons..

http://www.cnnb.com.cn/gb/node2/node48/nod...7ai1024059.html
got from this website....

Yeah and I guess Japan is right not to apoligize about what they did in WW2. Deal with it.

Funny how some people feel they are entitled to an apoligy when others do crimes to them, but feel they don't have to give an apoligy when they do crimes to others.

hello did vietnamese apologize to China?? we have far more people got killed by ur damn vietnamese.... $hit hole..

not all the stuff need apologize...dude...
get a life u damn vietnamese

lol what the? Are you sure 100% that more Chinese got killed by Vietnamese hands in the past in history than vice versa?

Even so, you say that not everything needs apoligizing?

I for one believe that if someone caused even 1 person's death, an apoligy is most appropriate.

If I accidently hurt someone, I would still apoligize.

Why are you so angry? Do you have any right to be? All I implied is that all people should be treated equally, and apoligies should be made by all side?

Why are you angry?

cambodian fishermen get shot and killed all the time by viets and the viet government doesnt do anything about it so why should china give 2 $hits about vietnamese pirates. the difference between khmer fishermen and viet fishermen is that the viets are the one that is looting and killing as oppose to innocent men making a living, so you cant blame the chinese for being trigger happy.

do you have any proof of this? it's hard to believe after hearing so many false stories told by you guys.

http://www.petitiononline.com/hauloc/petition.html

35 000 signatures from all over the world. Does that mean anything to you ?

this happened more than once and quite awhile ago so i have trouble finding the other articles, this is the only one i can find.

http://nearovipen.tripod.com/potins30.html

what the fcuk does an online petition have anything to do with this? are you fools trying to get a petition to force us to apologise? 2

get real!

the killing of those pirates will not be the last incidence.

LOL.

You're using petitiononline.com as a credible source?!?!?!

WHY dun U fu-k UP Chinese get the fu-k out of the Viet Forum.. i dun wanna get all racist but u cunts pissed me off.... get the fu-k off

The star marks the position of the Vietnamese fishing boats at the time of being attacked by the Chinese coast guard. The boats were on the Vietnamese water territory and 10 miles away from the sea border with China (marked by the pink line).

I'm not gonna waste any more of my time after this post to convince you stubborn Chinese people about how wrong you are.

After the trial at Hainan, all of the remaining Vietnamese fishermen were ruled to be innocent. Does that make any sense to you , shot and killed 8 people ( because they "fired" at you, and they were "pirates" ) then ruled the rest to be innocent ? WTF !!???

THE PRC r just a bunch of HYPOCRITE... ARGH fu-ken chinese

i'm really sorry for those fishermen

and one thing i have to say: i'm shamed of the chinese blood inside me, espcially after reading chinesedesert fox and puyi' comments...

one question to the vnese: ca'c ba.n co' ghe't ta^'t ca? ngu*o*`i hoa (especially ngu*o*`i viet go^'c hoa) sau vie^.c chinese policemen killed vietnamese fishermen kho^ng?

Hi Waterlily,
To be frank with i dun hate the chinese regardless of the past of wat they did to vietnam, my best friend is a chinese viet, but belive me.... i fu-ken hate those chinese who act all tough and think they r king d!cks..

To waterlily: You shouldn't be ashame of the Chinese blood inside you Everybody should be proud of who they are 2 We don't judge people by their looks or their ethnicities 2 Some of my friends are from China and they are really cool, not like those who have slanted thoughts on this forum


Không , mình hoàn toàn không ghét người Việt gốc Hoa sau những gì mà hải quân Trung Quốc làm với những ngư dân Việt Nam. Dù là ai đi chăng nữa, dù bạn không sống ở Việt nam thì mình vẫn coi bạn như là một true Vietnamese. Bạn nên tự hào vì mình là một người Việt gốc Hoa. Đừng có để tâm tới những thằng Tàu mất dạy, cứng đầu cứng cổ trên forum này 2

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sorry , i submit 1 post 4 times 2

So are the Viets!

First you people tried the online petition to try to make a case for those pirates shot doead. And now you are showing some dodgy map?

Get over it!

Chẳng có gì đáng hổ ngươi cả, sự kiện này là tội ác của một chế độ và một số cá nhân quá khích vô nhân đạo .

Việt không phải là một sắc tôc nhưng là một quốc gia: cùng nói một ngôn ngữ và tôn trọng nhau và góp phần xây dựng đất Việt sung mãn.

Kinh , Hoa, bana, Mường ,Thái, Khmer.... đều là Việt.

i didnt bother to read the whole thread but did china ever paid any money or make any combilsation for the fisherman

Damn it, you guys are just too hard-headed. You believe everything your beloved government told you. I will shut you off once and for all with this post

Ok then, Mr. I-khow-it-all-and-i-am-always-right, can you explain to me why you guys killed 8 people then ruled the rest to be innocent ?? Especially those poor fishermen,who were refered to as "pirates" in the first place by the Chinese government. I don't khow what you think about this but it sure doesn't make any sense to me. 2 ANd By the way, it's not wrong to say the Chinese government is a bunch a of hypocrite: you said they were pirates but then you ruled them to be innocent and expelled them back to their country 2

If you are actually thinking of replying to this post. Show me some logic and evidence not just some kiddy- kiddy stuff like "it takes two people to tango" 2 .

He maintained that he didn't have any weapons? Well, I still maintain that they were pirates! Your words against mine.

I'll say again, GET OVER IT. Stop the fcuking whinging!!!

And I can guarantee that it will not be the last time if your pirates keep venturing into our waters .

hello..vietnamese says samething when they fired their weapons on chinese boat, they call us pirates too and they also said we crossing the boarder line...what the fu-k is that..

You didn't even answer my question 2 That clearly proves your lack of ability to defend your own point of view. Thus, you are not worth my time. 2

Whoever is the mod of this box, lock this topic. There's nothing more to say

Oh why did we not pass verdict on those captured pirates as "pirates?" The answer is we don't want your pirates in our jails. It would mean that we would have to feed them....such an easy life for them in jail.

A better way to punish these captured pirates is to blow up their boats and send them back to their country. That's where they'll be really miserable. It's a better punishment than sending them to our jails.