Well, I got this from Lac Viet forum. I think it's very right. Both the "yellow star" and the "three red stripes" flag DO NOT represent the Vietnamese.

http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/99/26/news-tsang.php (this is the article about the "three red stripes flag")

I love this quote
[QUOTE][QUOTE]The New York Times recently reported that some demonstrators have told police they might even immolate themselves to protest retailer Tran's act of defiance of his fellow refugees[/QUOTE]
dam whiny b!itches with pea sized brains. burn yourself? what for? a french flag?

why dont you all shut up and design a new nice flag for Viet nam. pshhhh!

and the current communist one too! it's fricken ugly and isnt even vietnamese.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, both of the flags are UGLY.
Why don't the Viet make a PRETTIER one?

[QUOTE]it's basically true. ive pointed this out a very long time ago on af, but many are just too ignorant to believe me or the truth.

both flags, current and the triple striped ones do not reflect the people or history of Viet nam.

the communist one with the star is simply following the design of international communism. im talking about the flag and not the government so dont go all anti-commi on me.

the 3 striped flag isnt Viet either. it's french induced like the article states.

if i may blatantly state so, this fued between the communists and cong hoa are all full of ignorant loosers completely oblivious to their heritage.

they seem like whiny b!tches to me.



[QUOTE]The New York Times recently reported that some demonstrators have told police they might even immolate themselves to protest retailer Tran's act of defiance of his fellow refugees [/QUOTE]



dam whiny b!itches with pea sized brains. burn yourself? what for? a french flag?

why dont you all shut up and design a new nice flag for Viet nam. pshhhh!

and the current communist one too! it's fricken ugly and isnt even vietnamese[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Sad part is when I debate with these people on AF, they insult me personally while I try to show my evidence calmly hoping to have an intellectual discussion. Yet for some reason they keep on calling me names and stuff.

I would hate to visit Vietnamese communities in America, from what I've read in the newspaper I would probably get beat up for showing my "freedom of speech" which they are supposed to defend.

Like I said, I don't support both the Commie or South Vietnam loyalist groups. They are both hypocritical.

While having some hypocrisy is human nature, both these groups go overboard.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]That is way I rejected both Cong San and Cong Hoa. Even though I am born from a Cong Hoa family, that does not mean I support it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][QUOTE]QUOTE (Byron @ Mar 26 2005, 02:34 PM)
Like I said, I don't support both the Commie or South Vietnam loyalist groups. They are both hypocritical.[/QUOTE]
right.... [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]For further explanation, here is another point of view, more accurate I think, about the origins of the REd stripes flag (click on the link hereafter ) :

http://www.vps.org.au/document/article/Lic...ocKyVietNam.pdf

I think that instead of criticizing, we should think twice about the changes and the novelties that we could introduce.... I just admire the early followers of zionism, not the whole ideology , but this will to create an ideal state from scratch. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]"All Viet Minh soldiers were to go to the North; all soldiers who had fought for the French were to go to the South" - Geneva Accords
http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~eemoise/viet4.html

So the majority of Cong Hoa soldier was formely served in the French Army?
Then the article must be true [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]37% of the French army at the battle of Dien Bien Phu was Cong Hoa "loyalists".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]QUOTE (tqt @ Apr 2 2005, 02:53 PM)
37% of the French army at the battle of Dien Bien Phu was Cong Hoa "loyalists".


Most of the generals who betrayed Diê.m used to serve in the French army, some experienced skyrocketing promotion thru the transition: from a simple private in the French army to a general grade in the SVN army. example: Đỗ Mậu , Cao Kỳ (he was raised by the Frecnh and became general on his 30's )....

I just wonder why Diê.m admitted this because he hated the French . [/QUOTE]

What a nightmare for My nguy.

There should be a new flag now not after. It is like putting the cart before the horses. The flag now to unite the people and then put pressures that won't turn into crap and mockeries on VCs; it can only happen if My nguy don't come near and touch it, or it is just another 50 yr crap and some stupid joke for others to have some stinking laughs.

Thank you so much for replying, quocthaibinhan...I thought there would be no one cares about my topic.
I don't get what u say about My nguy...but that's oki...I don't need to know anyway.

This has topic has been discussed before on this forum...but I fail to grasp your point...perhaps because it;s politically unrealistic...maybe that's why no one is replying...

You don't like the old flag of the republic...
you don't like new communist flag...
You seems really confused....

The Old flag of the republic is a symbol of protest and resilent against communism. I think that's why many Vietnamese support it. But good luck with your new flag campaign. Who knows, it might catch on. I think the objective is to force the communist to reform. I frankly don't care what banner you do it under...if Communist Vietnam allowed more rights, ended its corruption, and open up the political system, I'll even accept the new flag. You see, it's not about the banner, it's about what it stands for, if this makes any sense.

Yeap, as unrealistic as how easy it is for me to shut you stinking, monkeying clowns up. Got any one point yet, stinking, monkeying clowns.

My nguy is for US puppet regime; My means US and nguy means fake. I use it to refer to the 3 red worms crawling in yellow (something stink) flag . These words are well known.

Most of the people around don't know anything about the history of the flag. But they wave it around like a bunch of morons, esp the children and youth.

Hmm....the flag stood for many different things in its time, not all of them good. But the people who honor this flag are not morons...for them the flag is a symbol of heritage and freedom, an alternative to the communist flag. It represents the spirit and resilient ofthe Vietnamese people. I think most people accept the demise of the republic. They're not trying to revive it; the flag now stands for resistence to totalitarian regime and the hope for a better Vietnam deserving of the Vietnamese people.

If they are not morons, then it must be some stinking joke.

As I have said, the only morons are those that think a flag that started it all is better than the one that simply keeps it on automation. (Read my quote below)

No, you guys say that you and those waving 3 red worm flag crawling in yellow something (stinks) are not morons, then it must be some stinking jokes, 50yr stinking, monkeying joke.

Well, got any one point for me that will stand up !!!!!

[quote=quocthaibinhan,Apr 16 2005, 01:41 PM]
[quote=herosword,Apr 11 2005, 11:36 AM]Hmm....the flag stood for many different things in its time, not all of them good.  But the people who honor this flag are not morons...for them the flag is a symbol of heritage and freedom, an alternative to the communist flag.  It represents  the spirit and resilient ofthe Vietnamese people..... [/quote]

If they are not morons, then it must be some stinking joke.

As I have said, the only morons are those that think a flag that started it all is better than the one that simply keeps it on automation. (Read my quote below)

No, you guys say that you and those waving 3 red worm flag crawling in yellow something (stinks) are not morons, then it must be some stinking jokes, 50yr stinking, monkeying joke.

Well, got any one point for me that will stand up !!!!!

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You guys have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, all the info you have here are from people you've heard talking about or you probably read it somewhere etc... take a trip back to VN and we'll see what you have to say about all this B.S.!!!

For me...the yellow and three-stripe flag only represent Vietnamese suffering at the hands of French barbarianism, not to mention the fake "democracy" propped up by the U.S.A.

May be 150 yr crap then !!! 2

TO WHOEVER HAS NO IDEA ABOUT THE YELLOW-THREE RED STRIPES FLAG, I HAVE THIS ARTICLE FOR YOU.

COPY from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_South_Vietnam

The flag of South Vietnam (more properly, the flag of the Republic of Vietnam) or National Flag was designed by Emperor Bao Dai in 1948, and was the flag used by one of the two states established in Vietnam after the country's partition. It is also used by many ethnic Vietnamese now living in other countries, particularly by some Vietnamese-Americans.

The flag consists of a yellow field and three horizontal red stripes that represent North, Central and Southern Vietnam.


Origins
In 40 AD, the Yellow Flag first appeared in the Vietnamese history when the Trung Sisters, waved the Yellow Flag to fight against the Chinese invaders to regain independence for Vietnam.

In 1802-1820, Emperor Gia Long, the Yellow Flag was also used as the symbol of the Vietnamese Nation.

In 1916-1925, Emperor Khai Dinh, the two red bands were added to the Yellow Flag to form the Long Tinh flag (Dragon Flag).

In 1945, during Tran Trong Kim's government the middle broken red band was added to the flag in the position between the two red bands of the former Yellow Flag to form the Quẻ Ly Flag. The Quẻ Ly Flag was the official flag of Vietnam at that time. Quẻ Ly is a divination sign of fabulous unicorn, sixth of the Bát Quái (the Eight Trigrams): Càn, Khâm, Cấn, Chấn, Tốn, Ly, Khôn, Đoài. This divination sign of fabulous unicorn represents the sun, fire, beam of light, and civilization. (See I Ching).

In 1948, when the former Emperor Bao Dai, ordered to change the broken red band (which was then the central element of the Vietnamese flag) into a continuous red band, and form the Yellow Flag with three yellow red bands.

On 2 June 1948, the Chief of the Temporary National Government of Vietnam, Brigadier General Nguyen Van Xuan, signed an Ordinance to specify the characteristics of the Vietnamese National Flag as follows: "The national emblem is a flag of yellow background, the height of which is equal to two-thirds of its width. In the middle of the flag and along its entire width, there are three horizontal red bands. Each band has a height equal to one-fifteenth of the width. These three red bands are separated from one another by a space of the band's height."

The three red bands have the divination sign of Quẻ Càn, the first of the Eight Trigrams mentioned above. Quẻ Càn represents heaven. Based on the worldview of Vietnamese people, Quẻ Càn indicates the South Sky, the Vietnamese Nation, Vietnamese people, and the people's power.

The flag was used by the Republic of Vietnam (more commonly known as South Vietnam) for the duration of that state's existence (1954 - 1975). It was abolished by North Vietnamese government on 30 April 1975, when they seized Saigon.


Political significance
The South Vietnamese flag remains highly controversial, particularly in the case of former Vietnamese nationals now living in the United States and abroad. The controversy is focused on the question of whether they should accept the current flag of Vietnam as their national symbol, or whether they should use the flag of the Republic of Vietnam.

FOR MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO THAT FLAG, PLEASE CHECK OUT THIS SITE:
LEARN THE TRUTH, IT SHALL SET YOU FREE

See:
*History of Vietnamese flags
*Vietnamese Flags

I have summarized the info from both resources and put it into the picture below.



It seems that the Dainam flag with the three stripes on yellow ground first was a symbol of denying french colonization of the southern part of Vietnam.

If there should be a new flag it can not be the Dainam flags 2 and 4a. Because: 4a was installed by french pressure and uses Han characters and 2 looks the same as no. 7, which the communist party would never accept. The only remaining flag is the old Long Tinh flag. I propose to use lighter colors and to replace the fringe with a plain blue border.

old -> new

The symbolism of the Long Tinh flag is interesting:

As far as I know, the yellow flag with 3 red stripes represents us well since yellow stands for our 'yellow' skin and the 3 red stripes stands for the 3 regions North, Central, and South. The stripes are red because it means all 3 regions are of the same blood.. the Lac Hong (Vietnamese) blood.

the color is hella tacky lol

lol japan

i like this one. the yellow is really mustardy-gold. it's nice on the eyes. maybe instead of fringe they could use some bands of the same colour going down the flag. it'd make it less, as pb put it, 'japanese'.

The flag idea sucks. <<< period
So what if the flags are ugly. If they make a new one then it won't make any difference

^^ i agree.

2 2 2 YOUR FLAG IS SO JAPANIZE. PLEASE DO US A FAVOR, IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT, LEAVE IT ALONE.

GUYS, WATCH OUT THESE COMMUNIST MONKEYS: CANPARK and quocthaibinhan.

It's not japanized, learn some history.

MY FRIEND, I DO LEARN OUR HISTORY. BUT LOOK AT EVERY OTHER NATIONAL FLAG IN THE WORLD TODAY, NOBODY WOULD ADOPTED THAT KINDA WAVY FLAG ANYMORE. BESIDE, THE JAPANESE FLAG TODAY IS IMFAMOUS FLAG. IF WE ADOPT THIS LONG TINH FLAG, PEOPLE WOULD LOL AT US. AND A BIG FAT JOKE TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE. COZ, IT'S SO JAPANIZED.

STICK WITH THE YELLOW-THREE RED STRIPES FLAG, MY FRIEND. IT HAS GREAT HISTORY. STOP ASKING TO CHANGE THE FLAG. YOU ARE SO SMART, SUPERNOVASP. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD USE YOUR BRAIN TO HELP THE VIETNAMESES TO END COMMUNISM IN OUR COUNTRY INSTEAD CREATING SOME FLAG.

BE WISE, MY FRIEND!

It's not japanized, just because Vietnamese traditional flag looks like Japanese flag, it doesn't mean we're japaneized. the three stripes flag are a by-pass production of French colonialism.

I AM NOT GONNA OVER AND OVER WITH YOU ABOUT OUR YELLOW-THREE RED STRIPES FLAG AGAIN. I PROVIDED YOU AND OTHERS: LINKS, INFORMATION TO PROVE IT NOT A "BY-PASS PRODUCTION OF FRENCH COLONIALISM" FLAG. CHECK THEM OUT AND READ THEM.

LIKE I SAID: LEARN THE TRUTH, IT SHALL SET YOU FREE!

Dude, Vietnam was never divided ino three regions, French divided Vietnam into three regions: Tonkin, Annam, and cochinchina.

who gives a fu-k about a damn flag. if u do change it, its not like vietnam will get better.. anyways im not really up in all this history but isnt vietnam still a communist country? if u do change it, it would still be a communist flag.. its like wearing a shirt and saying u gotta change it becuz its a "blackwashed" shirt, just like the flag- whoever made it, now knows that everyone think its a flag to stand against communism? just becuase u think the french made the flag doesnt mean we gotta change it.. what the flag stands for is what i think is most important. anyways if u ask any french person if they know if the vietnam flag was made from their idea or w/e, im assuming they most likely to say i dont even know what it looks like...

ok i dont know what i just said..hope u guys find that relevant to the thread. i never really studied vietnam history much :S.. i just learn things from my parents lol.

Yes it will definitely will since it marks the start of new thing instead of continuing the old My Nguy verse VC while they both committed a great deal of atrocities so it just a stupid, stinking joke if you wave them about. It will simply kill any movements for betterment, because of this 50 yr (or 150yr if counting the French) crap. If you want to eat 50 yr (150yr) crap, then continue with it.

DUDE, I THOUGHT YOU ARE SMART SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO DRAG THIS UP AGAIN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE THREE RED STRIPES ON YELLOW FLAG AND YOU THINK THEY ARE PRESENTING TONKIN, ANNAM, COCHINCHINA. I SUGGEST YOU SHOULD LEARN ITS HISTORY AGAIN.

I PROVIDED YOU THE LINK. WHY DON'T YOU LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT? STOP LISTEN TO THOSE COMMUNIST MONKEYS, MAN.

PEACE

This is exactly why you don't want to continue with this 50 yr crap (or 150 if counting the French). A new flag is the best chance, but these stinking, monkeying clowns will try to stink it up, for sure. !!!!

Quocthaibinhan, sometimes you kissed VCs' stinky asses by saying good $hit about Ho Chi Minh and his Dogs; and sometimes, you b!tched at VNCH or My Nguy. Now you are b!tching at VC too. Some wrong with you, monkey? I think the bird flu viruses really fuk you up.

YOU SHOULD SAY LIKE THAT, YOU MONKEY. I WISH TO HAVE A BIG BANANA TO SHOVE THAT YOUR STINKY MONKEY HOLE UP.

You can use the crap that you guys are playing and eating, it still yellow. hawhawhaw heeehooo hawhawhaw

Hey, this stinking, monkeying clown knows it is more than 50 yr old crap. Yes, this guy is right, but most people for some reason only say 50 yrs. Well done, now stop playing with this very old crap. Find a new one to play.

Now don't complain that there isn't any other.

LOOK AT YOUR BLOODY $hitTY STAR FLAG, MONKEY. YES, WE PLAY AND EAT AND WE $hit RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BLOODY FLAG.

SUCK IT UP YOUR OWN JOKE, MONKEY.

Precisely, that yellow with 3 worms flag is actually a flag full of 60 or 160 yr crap. It is not any better, if anything it is even worse. Look at your stinking, monkeying yellow crap flag, stinking, monkeying clown.

I like this one. Play with this stinking, monkeying clown.

I don't understand what you allways talk about crap. Do you mean anything Vietnamese is crap? So Vietnam is 2000yr crap counting the Chinese. This wavy flag then 3000-4000yr crap counting the legend? Or maybe you just count years in craps: How many craps are you?

ALWAYS SOME STUPID NEWBIES DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT 50 YR CRAP MEANS. OR THEY'D LIKE TO SMEAR THIS CRAP TO "2000yr" TOO. WHAT'S THE MATTER!!! 50 YRS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

ZamienTran.
you're calling me a monkey, fine, maybe I am a monkey. But you're a monkey with a gigantic @sshole in which the Americans stick their fingers up, and play you like a puppet.

You are wrong US don't want to play with My Nguy anymore: US shook hands with VC and left these stinking, monkeying clowns out in the cold to play with their 60 yr (or 160 yr if including French) crap. MY Nguy's is now just Nguy's days are numbered!!!! Hawhawhawahawhaw!!!!!!

YOU ARE SO STUPID FUK, quocthaibinhan. When I mentioned 60 yrs and other 160 yrs, I meant 60 yrs of VCs, monkeys like you overpowered Vietnam and 100 yrs including French . YOU COPIED MINE AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. POOR BASTARD!!!

BTW, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY WITH MONKEYS LIKE YOU AND CANPARK AT ALL. SO, STOP MONKEYING AROUND HERE.

WELL, AT LEAST YOU ADMIT IT THAT YOU ARE A STINKY MONKEY. 2 2

Americans play with me? WHAT THE FUK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, FUNK? Your big old ugly MONKEY, PHAN VAN KHAI flew to US and kissed Bush's @$$. Not us. Who just celebrated 10 yrs kissing asses with US in DC and Vietnam? Not us!!!

If you don't know what the fuk you want to say, SHUT THE FUK UP!!! THANKS, MONKEY!

I love it when I get these all fired up over little and irrelevant point, pathetic is all that they are.

1000 years enslaved for the Chinese
100 years enslaved for the French
30 years daily sound of guns and bombs
This is the Treasure Mother's of Viet Nam given to her children
This is the Treasure Mother's of Viet Nam given to her children

Copy from you or leave it for you ?????

HOW LONG HAVE YOU STINKING, MONKEYING CLOWNS BEEN PERFORMING FOR THE FRENCH AND US. PITTY OLD CRAPPY PERFORMANCE. THEY LET YOU STINKING CLOWNS PERFORM IN THE COLD, WHILE VC ARE BEING TREATED LIKE KINGS WITH RED CARPET AND ALL THE GLORIES.

HEAR THE STINKING LAUGHS AND CLAPPING HANDS YET; THEY ARE ENJOYING YOUR STINKING PERFORMANCE, PERPORMING OUT IN THE COLD, POOR YOU: HAWHAWHAW HEEE HOOO HAWHAWHAW

KEEP PLAYING WITH THIS OLD CRAP CLOWNS; YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED.

Hey, don't you dare say that about our PM you f--king loser...if you think you can do better than VC than why don't you go to Hanoi and tell VC leaders to piss off, otherwise, just shut your mouth. Just to let you know, I think you're a good example of VNCH cowardice, and the red stripes on the yellow flag may have come from your mother's sweet, sweet vagina.

YOU ARE STUPID, MONKEY. YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY THING RIGHT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, SHUT THE FUK UP. OR CAREFUL WHAT YOU GONNA SAY, COZ IT MAY COME BACK AND BITE YOUR STINKY @$$.

YOU MONKEYS KEEP DOING MONKEY BUSINESS UP HERE. I AM HERE TO SHOVE YOU UP. MAY YOUR UNCLE HO HELP YOU, MONKEY. COZ THE ONLY LOSER HERE IS YOU, CANPARK.

WHY DON'T YOU MONKEY EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY UP HERE WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS FOR?

Well, this topic is interesting...

I have a draft of a flag design, which is a compromise between the S.Vie flag and the VC flag. It is only a draft, but hope you enjoy it. Make any modification if you like.



The basic design is based on the Long Tinh Ky (Dragon Flag) of the Nguyen Empire. Red and gold are the colours of both S.Vie flag and VC flag, which represent Vietic race (red blood and yellow skin). However, it can also be explained like this: The background color of the flag is yellow, the same with the S.Vie flag. The three red stripes are joined together into one big red stripes (and expanded) to signify the nation's unity and development. The yellow-edgeed red star symbolizes the Communist party which lead the nation towards independence and is currently ruling the country (No one can deny those facts). I'm thinking of some other symbols, but until now the Communist star is the best symbol I can think of.

From another viewpoint, the flag is the VC flag with two yellow stripes at the top and bottom sides. The red symbolizes revolutionary blood and socialism while the yellow represents earth and the national traditions. This reflects the fact that the Communist government is promoting traditional values.

Anyway, just for fun, don't take this serious and don't blame me for that...

how about yin-yang with 8 trigrams

preserving the communist flag is like preserving the nazi flag.

forget he communist star in your proposal.