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ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: The author would like to acknowledge that this Vietnamese Nôm etymological work benefits the most from the work of the reconstructions and transcriptions of the Tibetan languages, the Sino-Tibetan etimology,the Chinese dialects, as well as other on-line features of the language database http://starling.rinet.ru, created and managed by Sergei Starostin. Even though I certainly have my own interpretation of the ancient Chinese reconstruction, I found it greatly convenient and beneficial to utilize the result of S. Starostin’s on-line work because this on-line work facilitates the speed of completion my work of this colossal magnitude.


I do so with the belief that no matter how good is a reconstruction work of the ancient Chinese language a Chinese historical linguist has done, as demonstrated by a dozen works of several renowned linguists, the actual value of such works are not possibly completely correct and absolutely true, but they are merely representatives of the sound system of the Chinese language in a particular location and in a certain period of history. That is to say, for a certain Chinese character or word, there may have existed different versions with many ways of interpretations; however, in general, those reconstructions, in fact, only represent the most generally accepted presentation, all induced from historical records and linguistically factual proofs. One may understand this notion better if, for example, one relates to a Chinese word, wondering how it was pronounced or said 2000 years ago, then she or he goes into studying this word in depth and found out that many specialists in this historical field have already done so. As a result, one would accept one or more ways of interpretation, including that of her or his own research, and recognize that they are only of relatively approximate results.


Furthermore, taking a result completed by a renowned specialist in order build one’s own work (you do not need to re-invent the wheel, do you?) is always a better way to gain acceptance in a linguistic circle.


This is how I present my work here on-line for the world to see and this is exactly how I perceive the etymology of the Vietnamese words (the Nôms in particular, or the so-called thought-to-be purely Vietnamese words) is -- as opposed to the Sino-Vietnamese ones.


My last word for this research is that I hope it will:


1) provide a convenient tool as an electronic dictionary for modern Chinese learners with Vietnamese background who will see how close the two languages are, by tracing down the historically phonological relationship and the roots of words in each language,

2) set a new foundation for further studying of the etimology of the Vietnamese language,

3) establish proofs for reclassifying the Vietnamese language into the Sino-Tibetan language family (instead of the Austroasiatic Mon-Khmer one),

4) rekindle enthusiasm of interest in studying the Vietnamese language, and in return, more contributions will finally come in for an ultimate goal of mine: reforming the existing writing system of the Vietnamese language.

If you keep reading, out of hundreds of patterns of sound changes and linguistic rules, gradually you will definitely find a close relationship of phonology and etymology between Chinese and Vietnamese, that will certainly enlighten those who are really interested in this historical linguistic field.

Yes please reclassify our languange to any other class than this one.. Iam sure it will be thrilling for millions of Viets

What's wrong with the Austroasiatic family?

Well for one, I see or hear no similairities, between the 2, I think Vietnamese should just be classified as its own language...

hahah. u wish.... theres tons of chinese in ur damn vietnamese

Korean got a ton of chinese in their language, but the language itself is in its own category

Owned 2

but north korean they don't have any chinese in there....owned...


Here arises another argument: reforming writing system is, supposedly, to progress technologically, but in the case of North Korea, the Chinese writing has been completely replaced by Korean national writing system and that her people have been still living in backwardness. In the meanwhile, South Korea has become undeniably one of the most developed countries in the world; yet, it is still using Chinese characters in its writing system without the need for writing reform.

In fact, the richness of Chinese vocabulary in the Korean language is an integral part of Korean, a unique characteristic of that language -- just like the roles of Sino- and Sinitic Vietnamese vocabularies in Vietnamese -- which has been used by the people of S. Korea who recognize the existence of Chinese elements in their language. In the meanwhile N. Korea had totally eliminated the use Chinese characters in its writing system, which might, otherwise, have helped this nation tap in and grow along with the advancement in Chinese information technological fields all the way as they were developed and implemented in its neighboring allied country.

LOL, so north korean isn't the same as South Korean?

Actually, shouldn't North Korean be exactly like Vietnam in term of totally abandon the usage of Chinese characters.



LMAO, you know that South Korean rarely used Hanja anymore?
I'm sorry but the paragraph you copy-and-pasted is amusing and very pro-chinese characters. The reason why North Korea is less developed than South Korea because it simply abandoned the use of Hanja?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's just great.

Korean is classified to a different category because although 50-70% of the vocabulary is based on Chinese characters, I think its unique grammar and the language structure that make it different from the Chinese language. Refer to Original Korean Language if you want to learn more about it.

hey i didn't wrote that.. it was ur a vietnamese wrote it... lol when he said write chinese that isn't mean they are actually writing it, it means it's sound and idea was from chinese

I knew that the author is Vietnamese, but his idea was very unpopular in Vietnamese Scholars circles, his proof of Vietnamese being a sinitic language is very flawed.

Koreans rarely use chinese characters in their writing system. They use hangeul 80-90 percent of time. They only use chinese characters if the word has more than one meaning. There are however many korean words that are based on Chinese characters such as

Population
Korean: 인구 pronounced as In-Gou
Chinese: I think it's pronounced as Ren-Kou(correct me if I'm wrong)

[quote=supernovasp,Mar 20 2005, 07:24 PM]
[quote=康师傅,Mar 20 2005, 07:20 PM][quote=supernovasp,Mar 20 2005, 07:12 PM][quote=康师傅,Mar 20 2005, 07:05 PM][quote=supernovasp,Mar 20 2005, 03:08 PM][quote=康师傅,Mar 20 2005, 12:58 PM][quote=DaiNamViet,Mar 20 2005, 12:33 PM][quote=Yuje,Mar 20 2005, 01:12 PM][quote=DaiNamViet,Mar 20 2005, 08:30 AM][quote]3) establish proofs for reclassifying the Vietnamese language  family (instead of the Austroasiatic Mon-Khmer one), [/quote]
Yes please reclassify our languange to any other class than this one.. Iam sure it will be thrilling for millions of Viets

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What's wrong with the Austroasiatic family?

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Well for one, I see or hear no similairities, between the 2, I think Vietnamese should just be classified as its own language...

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hahah. u wish.... theres tons of chinese in ur damn vietnamese

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Korean got a ton of chinese in their language, but the language itself is in its own category

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but north korean they don't have any chinese in there....owned...

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LOL, so north korean isn't the same as South Korean?

Actually, shouldn't North Korean be exactly like Vietnam in term of totally abandon the usage of Chinese characters.

[quote]Here arises another argument: reforming writing system is, supposedly, to progress technologically, but in the case of North Korea, the Chinese writing has been completely replaced by Korean national writing system and that her people have been still living in backwardness. In the meanwhile, South Korea has become undeniably one of the most developed countries in the world; yet, it is still using Chinese characters in its writing system without the need for writing reform.

In fact, the richness of Chinese vocabulary in the Korean language is an integral part of Korean, a unique characteristic of that language -- just like the roles of Sino- and Sinitic Vietnamese vocabularies in Vietnamese -- which has been used by the people of S. Korea who recognize the existence of Chinese elements in their language. In the meanwhile N. Korea had totally eliminated the use Chinese characters in its writing system, which might, otherwise, have helped this nation tap in and grow along with the advancement in Chinese information technological fields all the way as they were developed and implemented in its neighboring allied country.[/quote]

LMAO, you know that South Korean rarely used Hanja anymore?
I'm sorry but the paragraph you copy-and-pasted is amusing and very pro-chinese characters. The reason why North Korea is less developed than South Korea because it simply abandoned the use of Hanja?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's just great.

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hey i didn't wrote that.. it was ur a vietnamese wrote it... lol when he said write chinese that isn't mean they are actually writing it, it means it's sound and idea was from chinese

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I knew that the author is Vietnamese, but his idea was very unpopular in Vietnamese Scholars circles, his proof of Vietnamese being a sinitic language is very flawed.

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how do u know he is unpopular?

stop talking to these bothersome flies

they are slowly replacing the sinitic influence , and if you actually read I was refering to
the Austroasiatic family , what did you say your IQ was again ?? 88??

if u dont like viet language so much y u want it to be in da same family group as chinese. viet should be in our own group. u chinese must love viet culture to always find similarities between ours n urs. yeah i admit theres sum but not as much as u chinese take credit for.