I found this on China topix. ( Lol these names sounds so funny to me)


HERE IS THE LINK ---------> http://www.topix.com/forum/world/china/TDRG77T2D86AAH8BT


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teochew_people

TEOCHEW:

Strength: Ussually the most wealthy are Teochew such as Li Ka shing ect, many politician and rich people in southeast asia of Teochew origin. Taskin the Great, and badminton champion is of Teochew origin.( There many I could list, but that'll take long time)

Weakness: Lack of cultural influence, No province of it's own, lack of entertainment media, no Teochew speaking movie, music, articles, a weak dialect ( no popularity). Chaozhou is also an poor area, the teochew people are almost unheard of in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_people

CANTONESE:

Strenght: The world most famous Asian actor in history was Bruce Lee, One of world greatest female pirate, Ching Shi and the world first Asian mayor winner John So are all Cantonese. World ice Skating champions Michelle Kwan and Pratick Chan all cantonese. who defeated Nurhaci and Manchu+ Mongol 200,000 soldiers with only 9000 soldiers is also of Cantonese origin. The 28th richest person in world is Cantonese. Strong cultural and linguistic influence among and in the international world. The wealthiest province of China for decade was Guangdong. Cantonese is the only dialect/Language to have international fame apart from Mandarin and properbly the only language that stand for democracy and freedom of speech in China. Movies, Music, Animation dubbed, education, government all in Cantonese. Cantonese food is the most famous asian cuisine in the international world. HK Cantonese movies have been 2nd exports after Hollywood and bollywood.( Hong Kong people: Because HK culture, population, language is dominated by Cantonese. Cantonese is an cultural marker and identity for Hong Kong people of all Han to distinguish themselves from Mainland )

Weakness: There is more famous Hakka, Taishanese, Teochew, Wu people than Cantonese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taishanese_people

TAISHANESE:

Strenght: They dominate the HK movie and singing industry, influential in business and politics in many countries. Taishan produced most famous actors and actress in China than in any province. The first Governor of Asian descent in America, the first international star of Asian descent. The First rock band to have international fan base in Asia (Beyond). America's First Ace WW2, The first mayor of asian descent of united Stateds. first to have received an Homo Homini Award The richest man in Malaysia (Loke yew) and significant growth of KL. one of Worl's Master cinematographer of Hollywood. The father of modern Chinese architecture, Cinema, Aviation, HK cinerma. Mother of Chinese dance, Flight, Empress, first actress are all of Taishanese origin. The highest paid actor of Asia- Donnie Yen, Tony Leung Asia oscar actor winner, Andy Lau, most famous Chinese actor are all Taishanese origin aswell.

Weakness: Lack of cultural influence, No province of it's own, lack of Taishanese speaking entertainment media, no Taishan speaking movie, music, articles, a weak dialect ( no popularity). Chaozhou is also an poor area, the taishanese people are almost unheard of in the world. They are dominated by Cantonese

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoklo_people

HOKLO:

Strengh: They make most of the Chinese migrants in southeast asia, and is the predominate population of Taiwan. They also have plenty of famous people. Koxinga an ming dynasty who resisted the Qing and dutch (and won some battles). One of the president of Phillipines of Hoklo, one of the richest people of indonesia is of Hoklo.

Weakness: Lack of cultural influence, lack of entertainment media, Almost no Hoklo speaking movie, music, articles, it's always been dominated by Mandarin, even in Taiwan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu-speaking_people

WU PEOPLE:

Strenght: The most noble city in the world was in zhengjiang. The highest GDP is in China is from Shanghai which also an Wu speaking area. Many famous people, actors, politicians in many countries are Wu people. The first president of Taiwan was Chiang Kai-shek. The Compass was inveted by wu speaking people ( There is so much more I could mention)

Weakness: Lack of cultural influence, lack of entertainment media, Almost no Wu speaking movie, music, articles. It's always been dominated by Mandarin. The wu speaking area and Shanghai are completely dominated by Mandarin. Chiang Kai shek (wu leader) his failure against the Japanese invasion, led to the Rape of Nanking.

(The soong sisters, women of China, because of their ambition for power and fame, the Japanese rape chinese women in Nanking)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiang-speaking_people

Xiang people

Strenght: The communist leader Mao zedong and many CCP leaders are of Hunan Origin. Because of Hunan there is CCP in China today. The invention of Paper was in Hunan

Weakness: Lack of famous people, Lack of cultural influence, lack of entertainment media, Almost no Xiang speaking movie, music, articles. It's always been dominated by Mandarin. The Xiang are almost unheard of in the world.

MAO ZEDONG who killed 70 million chinese, CCP torture of millions Chinese, destroying Chinese culture, making China into the world most hated Nation. No freedom of speech, No democracy. Because of the Xiang native speaking Mao zedong.(the man who killed more Chinese people in history)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_people

HAKKA

Strenght: The Hakka are the powerful Chinese minority, They were president of many countries in Thailand, Taiwan, China, Singapore, Guyana, Burma. They were military leaders, many Olympic champions are also Hakka. They have an significant influence in the course of Chinese and world history. The taiping rebellion was started from the Hakka.

Weakness: No province of it's own, Lack of cultural influence, lack of entertainment media, Almost no Hakka speaking movie, music, articles. It's always been dominated by Mandarin or Cantonese. The Hakka are almost unheard of in the world. Discriminated and persecuted ever since their migration. They were Poor farmers, Some Hakka in China may choose to identify as Han Chinese groups. Like for example. Sun Yat sen who also idendified as Cantonese but is hakka or born from Cantonese-Hakka families.

Wow,more stereotyping,awesome.

Lmao, I think u don't know those names were just created for less than 100 years.
Well done troll.
Thanks for your hardworking. At least this chat is more active.

How is Hakka a Chinese minority?

How come hoklo don't have movie, music, entertaiment ?

I think you are cantonese that likely glorifying your canton ppl upon other southern chinese

$hitty canton baiyue lol

^
another pretender came..
WOW

The trolls have gone ape $hit lately

Nanyue,
why are you so obsessed with southern Chinese people?

He's a Chinese-wannabe. 'Tis very sad.

A southern Chinese wannable to be exact

The concept of Hakka/hoklo were created after Hakka-punti war, especially the famous 广东文斗.
In Guangdong local history book (1905 version) said Guangdong has hakka, hoklo(cantonese version of the word Fulao), they r not cantonese and also not han race. This made the hakka/teochew elite (including the hokkien speakers in Guangdong)very angry. So those elites invited cantonese(广府) elite for 文斗(sorry not sure how to translate this word) .
source from:“广东种族有曰客家、福佬族，非粤种，亦非汉种”(见广东顺德人黄节编《广东乡土历史》教科书，上海国学保存会1905年出版)

The concept of Hakka was created and some hakka elite tried hard to prove their central plain origin, for example the famous hakka 罗香林. Later the hakka concept spreaded to the other hakka community in Jiangxi, Fujian and Taiwan , now to Sichuan, southern shaanxi, and henan. The hakka is sichuan used to be called 老广东 aka old cantonese(while cantonese was called 新广东 aka new cantonese) and the hakka in taiwan was also viewed as cantonese before.

The hoklo is a word that cantonese describe the southern Min speaker in Guangdong(including both hokkien and teochew). And it is a derogatory term. Because 佬 lo refer to low class people. In mainland only hokkiens from Guangdong has the hoklo concept. During the KMT reign, the 外省人(immigration to taiwan after 1949) viewed native taiwanese(well the famous hoklo) as uneducated/not pure han people, the result that the hoklo began to accept the concept "hoklo" and explain it as 河洛郎(the people from yellow river and luo river, another word for people from central plain) to show their hanness....

How is Cantonese, Taishanese and Hoklo Chinese minorities? Many of them look like southeast asians and many look like east asians. Unlike the rest of China, who look like east asians. But yes, many Hakka look like southeast asian to me, and many east asians aswell.

What SEA look is? What EA look is?

I think Cantonese, Taishanese, Hoklo, Hakka, Teochew should not be considered be Han . Even though their Y-dna is northern, their mtdna is southern. But on the other hand northern have northern Y-dna but have high frequencies of Nothern mtdna. North Han have 85-90% northern mtdna, Central han have 75-85% northern mtdna, southern province of china like Hunan, Jiangxi have 55-68% northern han mtdna. Hakka have only 31% northern mtdna, Teochew 47-52%, Cantonese only 20-23% northern mtdna, the Han groups who are the least Chinese are those from Guangxi, Guangdong, Fujian.

Hoklo are decendants of Minyue who mixed with Han
Cantonese are descendants of Tang who mixed with Nanyue
Hakka are Han who mixed with She people
Taishanese are descendants of Tang who mixed with Nanyue+Cantonese
Teochew they are mix of Han and some aboriginals.

Who gave u this right to decide whether hakka/cantonese is han or not?U r nothing but just pathetic vietcong.

Genetic does, all Guangdong people are mix of Han and aboriginals.


But the Pingu Han, are truly aboriginals who got assimilated.

Again please tell me what is the Native gene?

No not all Southern Han Chinese look like Southeast Asians,the SEA look seems to be more common in farmers(at least in Taiwan),and they don't consider themselves SEAs Vietcong...

Han Wudi relocated the Minyue people to the Huai river region.
How many times times do I have to repeat this Cantonese and any other Southern Han aren't just Tang+Nanyue,migration started sparingly from Qin then Han,and more massive migrations started from Wuhu uprising/Age of fragmentation,Tang and 5 dynasties 10 kingdoms especially Southern Song,you are a pathetic Vietcong trying to pose as a Chinese and keep on spreading nonsense such as Yan is altaic...

SEA is more diversified than chinese.

History doesn't always go with what genetics, History can be manipulated and are not always based on facts, but the fact is that over 53% of Hoklo mtDNA have an southern origin proves there was assimilation and intermarriage between the Han and Minyue. So like I said before, all people from Guangdong, Fujian, Guangxi is an result of intermixture between Han and aboriginals.


Chaoshan and Cantonese, Hakka difference in the genetic background of maternal
http://eng.hi138.com/?i278537_Chaoshan_and...und_of_maternal

[Abstract] the purpose of the Guangdong Department of the Han people or three large Chaoshan, Cantonese and Hakka are the descendants of landlocked Central China the Han immigrants, this study reflect the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) evidence of three major differences between the people of the genetic backgrounds . Chaoshan blood samples were collected 89 and 48 landlocked Central Plains high incidence of esophageal cancer among blood Taihang Mountain to build each individual's mtDNA haplogroups; Cantonese and Hakka haplogroup data from the literature. these 3 Department of a large crowd of people haplogroups and the distribution of population and the south of Taihang Mountain comparative analysis of Aboriginal people. Results Taihang Mountain Han people mainly from the north constitute the major haplogroups, Cantonese and Hakka, Aborigines South Main Zeyi haplogroup mainly Chaoshan showed major haplogroups in northern Han slightly above the main indigenous southern haplogroups. haplogroups based on the frequency of the principal component analysis, together Taihang Mountain and Chaoshan, Hakka and Cantonese people are aboriginal groups and the South together. Conclusion 3 large public system, only the Han nationality Chaoshan blood is more pure, and the closest Taihang Mountain population, which may also be the high-risk groups for the South coast of esophageal cancer One of the reasons; Cantonese Hakka and aboriginal people are in the South have more matrilineal descent blend.

Hey do u know most ethnics on the world r paternal society?

How far up your @$$ did you pull this out from?

The OP knows NOTHING about China, apparently... Wth are "strengths" or "weaknesses"?? So stupid...every group has its diverse origins and history as well as modern day characteristics, all adding diversity to the Chinese people as a whole.

I don't even want to state an opinion about other Han groups and how they should define themselves, but as for Wu and Hakka, there's plenty of information out there. It is ridiculous to use "looks" of people you meet to make bold generalizations of the ethnic group they belong to - of course the diaspora of Hakka means many of them have married other Han and non-Han groups, especially the Hakkas who migrated to SEA.

This does not indicate that the CORE of the group thus follows the looks of *SOME* SEA Hakkas who look SEAsian...any idiot would know that...

真正的漢族人在哪?客家人與古中原漢族最近
http://big5.huaxia.com/zhwh/wmty/2009/02/1317032_4.html

http://www.mediachinese.com/node/3254

These articles speculate that Hakkas are the closest to the Central China origins of Chinese people, not only because of DNA, but because of the language and customs they kept, eg. celebrating the day of "Subduing Water" dating back to the Floods mythology, etc.


DNA wise, Hakka has one of the highest of Han O3 (80.2%), She 13%, others similar to the "Tong" tribes 6.8% (interesting that the "Tongs" have a high incidence of Y-SNP H Group, wonder what is the origin of H Group?).

So stop the misinformation.

"Hakka" is a relatively recent concept, since it simply means "Guests", i.e., they did not origin in South China, but from Central China, moving Southwards. Also, Hakka is NOT a small minority, it is in fact classified as part of the Gan group of dialect, which means that in addition to the Hakka diaspora, there's a LARGE group of Gan speakers should should be classified together. Including the Gan speakers, as a whole,

From Wiki:



For sure a minority of Hakkas have married other Yues, mostly Yue/She females, especially the Hakkas closer to the Southern regions, but not to the extent that they are assimilated by them as to lose their Han identity.

he probably pulled it from nevergones @ss... Like nevergone he's obessed with Southern Han not being real Hans.

Exactly. As someone who has 客家 heritage, it annoys me when people try to separate us from Chinese.

lol.

Sorry, but as much as you want to believe you're of northern origin, your most populated area of Guangdong close to 40% of their y-dna are not of Han Chinese origin.

Han/Meixian, Guangdong (Xue et al. 2006)
3/35 = 8.6% C3-M217(xC3c-M48)
1/35 = 2.9% K-M9(xNO-M214, P-92R7)
1/35 = 2.9% N1-LLY22g(xN1a-M128, N1b-P43, N1c-Tat)
7/35 = 20.0% O1a-M119
5/35 = 14.3% O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465)
1/35 = 2.9% O3-M122(xO3a3a-M159, O3a3b-M7, O3a3c-M134) [LINE1-]
9/35 = 25.7% O3-M122(xO3a3a-M159, O3a3b-M7, O3a3c-M134) [LINE1+]
1/35 = 2.9% O3a3a-M159 [LINE1+]
2/35 = 5.7% O3a3b-M7 [LINE1+]
1/35 = 2.9% O3a3c-M134(xO3a3c1-M117) [LINE1-]
4/35 = 11.4% O3a3c1-M117 [LINE1-]


20% O1a (austronesian)
14.3% O2a ( Tai-Kadai and Austro-Asiatic)
8.6 C3 ( mongolic or altaic)

Lmao, u don't know what NEA is from SEA means?

Well actually C3 is of northern origin, but it is not of northern Han origin but rather mongolic or siberians.

Northern Han would be sino-tibetan marker that originated from the north Han. But other O3 are also related with Han Chinese and have an northern origin, accept some are different.

Then please explain to me why C3 is more diversified in southern rather than northern?

First of all, you quoted a 2006 report, no links, so we don't even know the sampling of this 35 individuals. There are 40 over million of Gan-Hakka speakers, so 35 is representative of most of them, yeah right.

Do you have the latest and largest DNA testing results of Hakkas???

I have never had my DNA tested, so I don't care whether I am of more "northern" or "southern" origins...from all available information out there, I'm probably NEITHER... looks like you are the one who is OBSESSED....and with your obsession about C3 being of "Northern" origins, you sound like someone we know....

Conculsion:all asians are related to viets.

How much Hakka blood do you have I have 1/8,the Hakka I met(including relatives) all state that they are no different than Han Chinese some do say however that they are "purer" then other Han Chinese subgroups.

From the DNA forums.

Han/Meixian, Guangdong ( Tian Dong-ping et al. 2009)

15/80 = 18.7% O1a-M119
13/80 = 16.2% O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465)
6/80 = 7.5% C3-M217(xC3c-M48)
1/80 = 1.2% O3-M122(xO3a3a-M159, O3a3b-M7, O3a3c-M134) [LINE1-]
31/80 = 38.7 O3-M122(xO3a3a-M159, O3a3b-M7, O3a3c-M134) [LINE1+]
1/80 = 1.2% O3a3a-M159 [LINE1+]
2/80 = 2.4% O3a3b-M7 [LINE1+]
1/80 = 1.2% O3a3c-M134(xO3a3c1-M117) [LINE1-]
9/80 = 11.2% O3a3c1-M117 [LINE1-]
1/80 = 1.2 % K-M9(xNO-M214, P-92R7)
1/80 = 1.2 % N1-LLY22g(xN1a-M128, N1b-P43, N1c-Tat)

U r toooooooooooooooooo weak... I think the only thing u r good at is copy and paste

So know its 80 people representing 40 million lmao.

Better than nothing, I least I don't talk out of my @$$ like someone claim me to be weak. When all he could do is farting out crap.
I got these data from these Chinese themselves.

Notice how O3 is now the DOMINANT group in this 80 persons study??? So which is it? 2006 or 2009??

Do you have one with sampling across China with at least several hundreds and even thousands like the studies I quoted??

Actually, my bad, Gan-Hakka branch combined is 65 million over....NOT a minority....

Anyway, there are 120 million Hakkas as of the latest census, and please do not worry your little head about our DNA, because the Hakkas themselves have organized their own DNA testing and family tree records, involving over 100 Hakka family names,

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%A2%E5%...ote-.E5.85.A8-2

http://www.takungpao.com/place/fujian/2010-12-03/188608.html

Well most tests are like this, I read from an Chinese himself, he said smaller numbers of samples are faster, less cost, and more accurate than large number of samples. He said that large number of samples could cause many sample errors.

Reminder:Nanyue claims he is chinese.

Lmao. Because I never talk history/genetic with some people not on the same level with me.
Sorry trolls have proved for more than 1000 times.It is totally useless to teach trolls here.
BTW please explain why C3 is more diversified in southern than northern?

C3 highest frequencies and highest diversity are in Mongolic tribes and Tungustic tribes, so I don't where in the world you got Southern is more diversified.

U don t know the word diversified means?

Jeez....according to your own DNA charts, Hakkas from Fujian Province, the lowest left corner pie chart, has the HIGHEST Han DNA O3 (Yellow= Central China Han) of all the other groups in this sampling....can you even read Chinese???

No,he can not.

Do you honestly think the origins of all O3 came are strictly from Han Chinese? Having higher haplogroup of O3 doesn't mean they all call come from Han Chinese. O3 can be brokened into may subclades, the sino-tibetan, hmong, tibeto-burmese O3 are unrelated with eachother. Even most Koreans and Manchus O3 are unrelated with Chinese, though some Japanese O3 are related with Han Chinese. But the same thing must be mentioned, Koreans O3 seems to be mostly different from Manchus aswell.

Then tell me how m134 and m117 don't relate to each other?

Please don't play dumb with me. There's no way C3 is more diverse in the south. It's even all the way up to the very end of Siberia.

m134 is of sino-tibetan origin and m117 is of Hmong and Tibeto- Burmese origin.

I don't know for sure if m117 in southern Han is Hmong of Tibeto-Burmese, but it's most likely Hmong.