junichiro koizumi's 4th visit to the yasukuni shrine and SDF forces being sent to iraq as well as a couple of other things i think the leaders are trying to send a message and are opting for an isolationalist policy which is not only in the interest of chinese and korean compatriots but also against the interest of japanese themselves this is a worrying development i pray for peace and reformation.

There will always be a Japanese military to combat the forces of evil in the form of giant lizards.

What was your stand again on the issue again?

Well none of this is new. But no japan is not returning to militarism. And yes I reformation as well. But not your kind.

Japan going back to the bad old militarism, no, they are not, they are not allow to, right?

I doubt japan will return to militarism. That is too far in the past. Not to mention japanese people would not want the military to control japan.

look at it this way, WW2,the japanese, they started, they lost, and lost tons of money, do you think they wanna do that again

i think so...

they are starting to recruit soldiers...

and beginning to built their army...

correct me if i'm wrong

They cant, at least 3 superpowerful countries will stop it before it's even started.

Actually they can if they pass reforms. And no country would japan unless it was america. But building a military and returning to militarism are different things. Anyway I support the return of the japanese military and I think we may see it returned at the end of the decade I hope.

It's uncertain. Japan is a great economy power. By that, I'm saying if anyone is going to attack Japan, other countries will automatically go up and protect it. so Japan doesn't really have to spend money on military build-up.

I'm not trying to be rude, but as a Chinese, I do not trust Japanese military at any degree. So I discourage Japan's army to come back, which might possibly lead to a certain threat.

Most of the money goes to technology, for japna, so no hopes for anymore militarism, i believed

That is a good point. But you never know the world is contantly changing. The military will deter enemies. Japan would also be able create more new weapons and sell them to coalition. I still believe that japan should and eventually will return the military.

"I'm not trying to be rude, but as a Chinese, I do not trust Japanese military at any degree. So I discourage Japan's army to come back, which might possibly lead to a certain threat."

As a japanese I look at china as a giant. Japan is small. China has nukes. Japan could become a target. The japanese cannot fully trust china. Not in it's current state. But I do understand your thinking and I respect it. But I do disagree. Even if chinese and japanese relations become the greatest. Japan must prepare to defeat north korea. They are a threat now. Thanks to them the japanese people are begining to see that the military must one day return.

My point, no more militarism for japan

Well, the point is, what coalition is this? Sino-Japan or US-Japan coalition? China certainly don't want Japan becomes a jumpboard of US armies to attack China, and History has taught us that China will have a hard time trusting Japan's military. Right now, China wants to maintain its regional superiority, a re-armed Japan will be a pain in its arm pit. As for Japanese, I think they might favor rearming Japan because they'll feel more secure

just thought of something, a reason for why japan will be go back to militarism, anyone guess what is it?

Yes I was talking about the US coalition. Also you bring a good point about chinese regional superiority. But doubt there would any coalition war against china unless there was some type of chinese attack. Because in most cases the chinese can be dealt with using diplomacy. Anyway china thinks that a re armed japan will be a pain. This is true but it is something they will cope with if it happens. There should be more than one super power in each region. Why should china have all of the power in the region? I also edited the above post.

japan got something in plan, but not the army, i believed

Time will bring the truth.

i got something in mind, and once it's proven, i will admire the japanese from now on, if it's ture

Well From my Chinese point of view, which is subjective, I think both countries should improve their relationship by some ways. Japan should try to create a respectful relation with China before it thinks about building military.

My opinion on china-japan's relationships"Time heals all wounds"

Thats a good point and fair one. I agree.

Time might heal wounds, but new cuts will only deepen it. I think you people know what I'm referring to, some current events....

This is true. But not to be offensive it seems chinese people enjoy hating japanese people. I can understand the anger about the hotel. But then... you must understand MY anger about the university. The one where the chinese attacked japanese people. But sometimes chinese people become extreme....you read the chinese nationalist website I am sure you read the thing about the japanese car add that chinese took offense to even though there was nothing to be offended by. That one was just ridiculous. BOTH sides must improve on themselves before any progress will be made.

You got this right , Chinese people tend to enjoy hating Japanese, from my observation and experience. about the university thing, from China's source, it says Japanese are trying to humiliate Chinese by dancing with bras and dildos and mocking Chinese. From a Japanese source, I think, it mentions little details and tries to make Japanese like victims. and the American source simply just tries to make Chinese as barbaric as possible, like we have nothing to do but protesting. concerning three kinds of sources, there will definately be three kinds of point of view.
If Chinese students dance with bras and dildos in Xi'an, the crowds will probably just laugh off. But if Foreigners, especially Japanese, do that, it'll turn to be a headline. I can understand it. Sino-Japanese relationship is the main point, students outrageous performance is just a side dish. However, I do strongly question what kind of idea lie behind the performance? Chinese people get angry because they believe they receive a message of humiliation. So the riot was not simply "illogical" or "barbaric"

To be honest I think the japanese students were being stupid. That is all. I do not believe they were trying to humiliate china. Even if they were the chinese still took it too far.

I don't know if it's too much than the Japanese students deserved. But it's definately not as "barbaric" as western media portrayed. There are many factors that led to this riot
1. Chinese are one of the most nationalistic peoples
2. humiliating one person is nothing, but this "joke" happened between two distinct groups, it would definately become a national or racial hatred.
3. they were university students, which is the most extreme age group. They tend to me more radical and nationalistic
4. China and Japan are old fueds, they have a long history of animosity.
5. recent events that happened prior to that dance

considering the above factors, I think it was completely logical for Chinese crowds to turn heated. Was it too much? maybe, or maybe not, but it surely wasn't like the Chinese people are violent and uncivilized.

Thats true the chinese are not violent or uncivilized. But I say they went to far because they began scream "kill kill kill". If it was not broken up who knows what would have happened. Not to mention the women that were brutally beaten.

no worry. japan gives money to china every year. china builds military might using the money. why does japan bother to do that ? if it wants to control neighbors using military might, it never give money to neighbors. i heard japan gave a lot of money to korea too. korea now has a lot of money to build own military. no worry.

That wasnt every year. That was a one time thing decades ago.

I don't quite understand here. Do you mean it's in the interest of Chinese and Korean people for Japan to revive the isolationist policy? Maybe it was a typo. But anyway...sending troops to Iraq does provides counter-evidence to mitigate any suspicions of Japan returning to isolation. Whether I or not I agree with that move, it's certainly not motivated by a desire to wage war against the world.

It would be extremely foolish for a democratic nation like Japan to return to militarism. Indeed, the majority of the Japanese people were not entirely fussed by the US invading Iraq in the first place. But the truth is, anyway, that currently Japan's military is very weak. Any move to boost numbers maybe due to the fact that enough time has passed since World War II and Japan should now be entitled to the right to have a respectable military.

I would like Japan and South Korea to kick out all the American troops in their countries.

I HATE politcis.

Ok... so what some few soldiers from Japan. Big deal. I highly doubt militarism will go back to japan anytime in the near future. Most likely because Japan is 90% infatuated in gaining a higher economy rather than being politically involved.

Oh ho ho...You do not know how much I would love to see those american "people" get the fu-k out of japan. It would bring tears to my eyes. But of course their bases would have to be replaced with japanese bases. South korea can do what they want. That does not really apply to me.

u most relie hate american people huh

I can understand Ogumo. You certainly don't want foreign armies to station in your house. China has experienced that so many times, let me tell you, it sucks.

During the Nationalist-Communist civil war in 1945-1949, 200,000 US troops stationed in China to "protect" us. Guess what? over 60% of car accidents were commited by Americans. and they could get drunk and beat people up without facing charges. They killed random people on street..... back then the Americans were not under the control of Chinese government, because they were Americans. Not mentioning what other foreign troops had done for the past 100 years

No I don't hate those people anymore. But I don't trust them.

Chinesephoeneticnationalistguy:
The americans cause crimes in japan. They rape they cause injury they steal. While the japanese pay them to do it! This must end. They have no purpos being there anymore. Go to korea or something. Just get the fu-k out of japan and I will be happy. But yes I understand the americans always claim to protect. But if anything asians need protection from them! Look at vietam american war. That says enough. Americans only care about themselves. That is the only time you can believe what they are saying is when they do something that is in american intrest.

^same stuff happens in Korea. 2 years ago, 2 high school students were walking along the street and two americans were driving a tank or some kind of vehicle and just ran over them purposely without stopping... Koreans were outraged and wanted the Americans to get out of their country.

Republicans, Ogumo. Republicans since they vetoed the proposition of Wilson to have the US joined the League of Nations, funded the Nazis, proposed the start of the Cold War, suggested Marcos to declare Martial Law in the Philippines...

I found it amazing at how many japanese resented the US presence in there country not only that but they also seem to read each others minds because for some reason they all seem to give bush the title of "dictator" not only have they lost confidence in the US but they also have no confidence in there SDF and there own govt this could easilt lead into an uprising which can see geopolitics in east asia change.

Yes japan because is FINALLY begining to realize that America cannot be fully relied on. The SDF can proctect japan from attacks but how for how long? Japan must not only be able to PROTECT from attack it must be able to counter attack and destroy the enemy completely if necisary. Japan is a unmatched force in the asian sea but not the ground. Japanese use american weapons but not enough. Japan must rearm not only to balance the chinese military influence it must deter north korea. With in one year would be able to have nukes. The north koreans would not be so arrogant as to threaten japan ever again. Or to engage in gun fights with japanese ships in the sea of japan or around the japanese coast. I have the feeling japanese nukes would be the most accurate and leathal ever designed in human history. The would provide japan with confidence. (a stable japan is a happy and safe japan). Pride and a means to deter the enemy and balance china as I have stated. Not only that but building a army would help the economy to some extent. The japanese leadership realizes this and cannot ignore it anymore.

kpjoon:

Yes I heard about the korean child being killed by the tank. I was infuriated with the american neglect. I also assure you that the americans do not give one damn about that small childs unneccisary death. They do not and never will.

I think Japan may have a military force that can counter North Korea, but not one which will possibly "counter attack and destroy completely" China. Only if Japan is in war time condition, can it draft enough people to match China. Apparently there's no need for Japan to do it.
Japan is unmatched in Asia Sea? 70 years yes, but not now. China has over 1000 ships ( including 70 submarines, 550 missile ships, 200 some cruisers and battle ships).
Japanese Self-Defense Force owns about 60 ships, still expanding.
both Koreas have a significant navy.
India is also modernizing and expanding its fleet

And its expanding muwahahahaha. The South one anyways.

Nah, once mor,e japan wont do anything at these decades

You're stereo typing people. Really stereo typing

Most people out in the forum will see me get angry when I see $hit like this.



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most stereotypes come from certain facts

um, i dont do that kind of things, if you are talking about me, the reason i was saying that was based on my opinions, and my opinion wasnt offensive.
Anyways, my opinion did not mean japan was weak or anything like that, actraully , i mean they are behind something big, that we never imagine yet.

To be safe say in "general" the chinese/japanese/korean government or whatever organization said blah blah blah

I have to say. America, a relatively young country comparing with China, has always been very short-sighted. As for now, they see rising China as their biggest threat and foe, so they're trying their best to criticize China, basically spread anti-chinese propaganda and arouse the fear of China worldwide. Which indirectly encourage Japan to rearm and probably start another devastating war again. but US won't care, all they want is to keep their position as a "world leader", eliminate any potential enemy to compete with it, mainly China.