DetunedRadio
Mar 6 2005, 01:20 PM
I've read a lot of stupid things on AF but this has to really take the cake. Is the guy who made that thread a retard? Just cause China and Japan are near each other geographically and have similiar culture doesn't mean they should unite.
By far, the 2 countries are very different. That's the problem, isn't it? China and Japan are very similiar, yet vastly different at the same time. Thats the worst kind of enemy because Chinese and Japanese see other standing in the way of them being unique.
Chinese consider themselves the civilized and leader of the Asian people whereas the Japanese see themselves as unique and superior just cause in the last 200 years or so, they managed to modernize faster than China.
Remember, it was after watching China get screwed over by foreign powers that Japan quickly decided that it needed to be strong and modernized itself.
I'm not saying China is better than Japan. Both have their own distinctness.
But the 2 countries will never get along for personal matters. For business, yes, because both countries can benefit each other but chinese and japanese will never get along.
There's too much historical baggage. Japan won't even apologize and admit their horrendous crimes in China. That's somethign that chinese will never forgive.
Can you honestly imagine the two peoples getting along?
I can see China being very close with other asian countries like Korea, Thailand, Vietnam but never Japan. Japan will always remain outside of the Asian continent. They're whole destiny is based on the US.
I hardly even consider them Asian.
I've always thought of Japan as the spoiled brat little brother than somehow became a huge success and is giving his older siblings hell for it. I always felt Japan became modern and civilized before they were even ready.
China is the true leader of Asia. AS china rises, the other Asian countries excluding Japan will rise along with it. Countries like Thailand are already basing their economic future on China.
After China gets Asia on its side, we'll give those Japanese a good scare.
The Japanese, no matter what they say, will never feel truly sorry for what they did to China in the war. And they will never truly see chinese as equals.
mr_boogie
Mar 6 2005, 04:08 PM
DR, please, before thinking about differences, think that is them that makes people strong.
Just think on a bit, and you have a case of countries that united and that are a lot different.
If you didn't get it till now, I'm talking about the European Union - just think about 25 countries uniting.
VietPunk
Mar 6 2005, 04:30 PM
Take it easy, why would you response to such a BS topic about uniting. We know you got lots of Chinese pride in you, just take a chill pill.
Jasel
Mar 6 2005, 04:37 PM
eh nm my bad
kyosak
Mar 6 2005, 04:47 PM
Yes, it IS stupid $hit.
DetunedRadio
Mar 6 2005, 05:26 PM
QUOTE (mr_boogie @ Mar 6 2005, 04:08 PM)
DR, please, before thinking about differences, think that is them that makes people strong.
Just think on a bit, and you have a case of countries that united and that are a lot different.
If you didn't get it till now, I'm talking about the European Union - just think about 25 countries uniting.
i have no qualms with China and the rest of Asia uniting. Just not with Japan.
Japan is kinda like the UK in Europe. British don't really consider themselves part of Europe or if they do, its as a distinct entity. Its the same with the Japanese in Asia. They are Asian but they don't consider themselves in "the group."
blatant
Mar 6 2005, 05:27 PM
get over it?
mr_boogie
Mar 6 2005, 05:29 PM
it wont be long, as far as I know...
Anyway, UK are inside EU for the bad and the good, and they know very well that leaving EU is a condemnation. They will never do it.
Anyway, I don't think Japanese would have trouble to be in a Asian Union, as I think that without them, it will never have the same strenght.
Nathan Rahl
Mar 6 2005, 05:34 PM
wow, detuend, i thought you were only jealous of people, but yet again your amazing mind surprise me, you're jealous of other countries too! where will it end?
DetunedRadio
Mar 6 2005, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (mr_boogie @ Mar 6 2005, 05:29 PM)
it wont be long, as far as I know...
Anyway, UK are inside EU for the bad and the good, and they know very well that leaving EU is a condemnation. They will never do it.
Anyway, I don't think Japanese would have trouble to be in a Asian Union, as I think that without them, it will never have the same strenght.
so ur a j@p lover, huh? China was superior over Japan for two millenia and only in the last 2 centuries has Japan surpassed China and all of a sudden, the whole world thinks they are superior to chinese?
The world has forgotten what the chinese can do. Go do some book reading boogie. While Europe was still tribal, Chinese had a flourishing civilization that dwarfed that of Japan and the rest of the world.
China has had lots of bad luck and turmoil over the last 2 centuries but give it time, and we'll show you how powerful we can become.
Jasel
Mar 6 2005, 05:52 PM
I find your 180 from being all pro-japan to pro-china quite amusing for some reason
DetunedRadio
Mar 6 2005, 05:53 PM
QUOTE (Jasel @ Mar 6 2005, 05:52 PM)
I find your 180 from being all pro-japan to pro-china quite amusing for some reason

i was never pro-j@p.
Rad Raz
Mar 6 2005, 06:46 PM
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Mar 6 2005, 05:48 PM)
While Europe was still tribal, Chinese had a flourishing civilization that dwarfed that of Japan and the rest of the world.
Roman Empire > chinese dynasty
Jasel
Mar 6 2005, 07:14 PM
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Mar 6 2005, 05:53 PM)
QUOTE (Jasel @ Mar 6 2005, 05:52 PM)
I find your 180 from being all pro-japan to pro-china quite amusing for some reason

i was never pro-j@p.

lol dude you've made several topics about how great Japan is and how China should follow their example or bash a bunch of aspects of China. Or have at least considered it. A few of your topics:
"Are Japanese better than Chinese?"
"China compared to Japan is piece of rotting flesh"-in terms of vacationing
"Chinese patriotism is a facade...a fake"
"Why is it that I find the Japanese better looking?"
DarkcaTT
Mar 6 2005, 07:18 PM
QUOTE (Jasel @ Mar 6 2005, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Mar 6 2005, 05:53 PM)
QUOTE (Jasel @ Mar 6 2005, 05:52 PM)
I find your 180 from being all pro-japan to pro-china quite amusing for some reason

i was never pro-j@p.

lol dude you've made several topics about how great Japan is and how China should follow their example or bash a bunch of aspects of China. Or have at least considered it. A few of your topics:
"Are Japanese better than Chinese?"
"China compared to Japan is piece of rotting flesh"-in terms of vacationing
"Chinese patriotism is a facade...a fake"
"Why is it that I find the Japanese better looking?"
he always contradicts himself...........
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Feb 28 2005, 08:24 PM)
oh for sure, w almart is great for anything except clothes. I shop there a lot too.
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Feb 25 2005, 11:49 PM)
Walmart is the worst example of western capitalism. They have absolutely no compassion towards their own employees. If they have to slash off 1000 jobs to keep prices low, they will.
Not to mention all the chinese laborers they use. Bastards.
Azn_Sensation
Mar 6 2005, 10:06 PM
QUOTE
I find your 180 from being all pro-japan to pro-china quite amusing for some reason
true that.
QUOTE
Roman Empire > chinese dynasty
Mongolian Empire > All
CTM2000
Mar 7 2005, 01:40 AM
You really confuse me DR. First you are obsessed with everything Japanese and now it seems as though you have a burning hatred for everything Japanese. I'm taking it that you in reality truly hate us but still admire and respect us and you believe that you can learn something from us in order to advance your own people? Well if that's the case and most likely it is, let's just say I'm still flattered

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shiro
Mar 7 2005, 02:56 AM
DR only found out about the Nanking massacre 2 days ago
give him a break

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YManchun
Mar 7 2005, 08:13 AM
QUOTE (DarkcaTT @ Mar 6 2005, 07:18 PM)
QUOTE (Jasel @ Mar 6 2005, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Mar 6 2005, 05:53 PM)
QUOTE (Jasel @ Mar 6 2005, 05:52 PM)
I find your 180 from being all pro-japan to pro-china quite amusing for some reason

i was never pro-j@p.

lol dude you've made several topics about how great Japan is and how China should follow their example or bash a bunch of aspects of China. Or have at least considered it. A few of your topics:
"Are Japanese better than Chinese?"
"China compared to Japan is piece of rotting flesh"-in terms of vacationing
"Chinese patriotism is a facade...a fake"
"Why is it that I find the Japanese better looking?"
he always contradicts himself...........
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Feb 28 2005, 08:24 PM)
oh for sure, w almart is great for anything except clothes. I shop there a lot too.
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Feb 25 2005, 11:49 PM)
Walmart is the worst example of western capitalism. They have absolutely no compassion towards their own employees. If they have to slash off 1000 jobs to keep prices low, they will.
Not to mention all the chinese laborers they use. Bastards. Here's another.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...ndpost&p=693961
Thierry Tecumseh
Mar 7 2005, 12:09 PM
Looks like Detuned is one extremely insecure and unhappy individual... people like you drop my respect for chinese people. At one moment i respect chinese contribution to asian civilization and also feel repentant for what we've done in nanking, and then i encounter hotheads like these and feel a defensive nationalist impulse, putting aside all our faults and whipping out the hatred once more. Be happy with who you are, be happy to be alive, and be happy with being chinese. You're insecurity hurts your mental health and your country's rep.
I don't think japan should ever unite with the mainland, and sure think it's impossible. Japan and China have a world's difference, it's not like homogeneous europe. So no thank you, we have no such desires. And please stop using the word j@p.
Jasel
Mar 7 2005, 12:22 PM
warning Detuned for using the word j@p since i've gotten multiple complaints about it.
blatant
Mar 7 2005, 10:22 PM
detuned, you say all this as you have a friggin Angel Sanctaury signature.
shoot yourself, you don't deserve to live.
flipcombatmedic
Mar 8 2005, 11:05 AM
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Mar 6 2005, 05:26 PM)
QUOTE (mr_boogie @ Mar 6 2005, 04:08 PM)
DR, please, before thinking about differences, think that is them that makes people strong.
Just think on a bit, and you have a case of countries that united and that are a lot different.
If you didn't get it till now, I'm talking about the European Union - just think about 25 countries uniting.
i have no qualms with China and the rest of Asia uniting. Just not with Japan. Japan is kinda like the UK in Europe. British don't really consider themselves part of Europe or if they do, its as a distinct entity. Its the same with the Japanese in Asia. They are Asian but they don't consider themselves in "the group."
WTF? Geez man. Have you caught the Nationalistic fever? No worry it will get away, but dude stop dwelling in the past.
DetunedRadio
Mar 9 2005, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (blatant @ Mar 7 2005, 10:22 PM)
detuned, you say all this as you have a friggin Angel Sanctaury signature.
shoot yourself, you don't deserve to live.
so what? I also have a Japanese car and most of my electronics are Japanese.
So I'm supposed to respect what Japan did to my country just because I happen to prefer the products they make?
blatant
Mar 9 2005, 07:18 PM
^ go reread what you just said.
you're obviously running up on a lot of issues which I don't really care enough to touch upon.
if china was filled with people like you, then they deserved it.
education
Apr 20 2005, 03:46 PM
Quite simply we don't need Japan. China and Japan has a relationship thats only effective when were not in direct contact with one another personally I don't feel China should because were on our way to the top weather its with Japan, U.S, or Russia. It would be a nightmare if we were to unite. Were going down one road and Japan is going down another I say just let them do what they want so when we succeed in our goals as a country we can say that we did it instead of giving props to the japanese. Just like if we are to fail we can blame ourselves and not the japanese. I'm fine with China just the way it is right now and Im sure Japan feels the same!
barkerintokyo
Apr 22 2005, 09:20 PM
I agree entirely, this is a stupid suggestion made probably by ignorant westerners who believe China and Japan are the same country. I've even heard Americans ask where in China I'm from when I said I am Japanese.
China and Japan uniting is even more ridiculous than China and Taiwan uniting. It just can't happen.
MasaoTakashi
Apr 22 2005, 10:15 PM
I am glad there is someone who sees the truth.
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