it sounds $hitty

i wanna learn it though.

yeah, they sound funny.i know i know, viets think my language sounds funny too.

but i love listening to him in vietnamese, saying, "wa ai ni..."

i thought wo ai ni si chinese...

it is true vietnamese doesn't sounds very please, but still you shouldn't call it $hitty

yeah it is chinese.

i'm not saying it is $hitty! filiphey said so...

actually i think viet sound nice..when guys sing in viet for slow songs...they sound sexy and nice

Reminds me of a time when your mom said "He looks $hitty" after you were born. But that is only because the dad is a gorilla.

Can't judge my own language since I grew up with it. Wonder how it sounds like to foreign ears. anyway, i think Cantonese sounds funny...still a cool language tho.

a filipino shouldn't be talking about another language sounding $hitty when tagalog isn't very pleasant at all.

yea , i really cant judge my language and Cantonese does sound unpleasure

well, it sounds better than nasal vietnamese.

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No, I don't like it. Too nasal.

haha i knew some @sshole gonna pop up and say that !! u get mad at people by saying ur language is unpleasure and u still say ur language is better than mine , and then there's a dumb@ss flame war. Emperor, Emperor , cantonese sounds like sh!t !! and Viet sounds better , good ??

No, I don't like YOU. Too ugly.

this thread should be closed.

You're right, I changed my mind after hearing this wonderful song:

Track 04.mp3

You just had to resort to personal attack. You know, what you just said had nothing to do with with the fu-king thread. Get back on topic and get off my fu-king case.

me thinks it sounds aiight

omg , these northern actually takes their time and find a funny sounding song to insult Vietnamese language !! ok man , whatever u think arite !! hahaha psycho. I still think cantonese sounds like sh!t

Way to insult the Vietnamese language. How does it sound ... like poop? Or unpleasing? I think it sounds very similar to some Chinese dialects.

Lol.

i dont like traditional vietnamese singing or traditional chinese opera. it makes my ears go soar ^___^;;

You little f-cker, whoever you are stop making filipinos look bad. I hope you got my PM you little f@g.

^^ Who's the girl? She's fine. Can aye hav herrr fone numba? (in FOB accent)

which one I have 2 girls on my sig.

The one on the left is Nina Corpuz and the one on the right is Nerri Naig, both filipina celebs. And no you can't have her number that would be considered stalking.

ANywho back to topic , Vietnamese sounds like Khmer, Thai, and Laotian to me. Sorry Im not used to hearing different tonal languages.

khmer is a MONOtone language and Vietnamese is basically a monosyllabic language having SIX tones, which give the language a sing-song effect. a word can be repeated with any one of six tones to indicate six different meanings. for example, the word ma has six different meanings according to the tone which the word carries: phantom, ghost; cheek; but, which, who; tomb; horse; young rice seedling. thai and laotian sound very similar...they share a lot of similar words.

do you speak your own language? if not, then i can understand how you couldnt differentiate vietnamese, khmers, thais, and laos.

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wow, I'm surprised by how much you know about our language.

yea filiphey u dumb@ss go bacc to filipinoland. too bad he said dat about vietnamese language now i have to make fun of tagalog. it sound like they just blabbin $hit out... sounds kinda like dis... babalang pang kdalnga nangpang akabalng alangd bang bang. da fucc is dat? y every word sound da same? dumb flip putangina mo to u biaatch.

stupid trickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Do you really want to start something with filipinos due to this stupid @zz trick filiphey, who I doubt is even filipino. I agree that he is a dumb@zz, and your a dumb @zz too if your going to attack the filipino people, b!tch.

mandarin is much much better than viet........and canton
mandarin has been influnced by nomadic altaic speaking ppl thoughout chinese history from the huns(xiongnu),xianbei,mongols,nuzhen,turks,and manchu,and more so it made mandarin sounds a lot like altaic laguage in term of sounding...
like the R sound and retoflex sounds

http://mp3.baidu.com/u?u=http://www.lyndgz...#036;$.mp3

Mandarin sounds nothing like Altaic languages, imo.

Chinese opinions don't matter here.

JUST KIDDING!!

I thought Mao wanted to change and simplify the language, but didn't get too far. He was wanting it to change similar to Viet's: easier to learn, read and write.

yeah, he did. Only the written language though. He even wanted to get rid of the characters at one point.

People who studied Chinese Mandarin say Chinese is not a structured language, not as much as Vietnamese or Japanese for instance. Furthermore, one area of Mandarin speaking people could not understand another even though they claim to speak that same language. In Vietnam, there are regional differences but not to the point where we don't understand another speaking Viet.

man..mandarin is haverly influnced by manchus......if u know the history then u shoulda know that those mandarin speaking ares were all occupied by altaic ppl
zhongyuan henan was once occupied by mongols,nuzhens....the southern xiongnus were intermarried with chinese and most of them satyed in shanxi and shaanxi and gansu....beijing was once the exchange center for altaic ppl......the retoflex and R sounds is very altaic...........and there are alot of words are altaic orgin.....sometimes the structure of mandarin is somewhat altaic like.....for examble...in mandarin we like to use Ba in the beggining of a sentence

below is from http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/japanese/me...4HF-pIMeKB.html

> I was wondering which of the two languages, Mandarin (Putonghua) and Cantonese (Guangdonghua), actually comes from ancient Chinese?

As far as I know, Cantonese is not the one. It still contains underlying Daic vocabulary because southern Chinese people didn't speak Chinese and adopted it as civilized language later, like Japanese did. Similarly, most northern Chinese people are descendants of Altaic conquerers and Mandarin is strongly influenced by Altaic languages grammatically and phonetically. The historical change from ancient Chinese to Mandarin is traceable, however.

You might be interested in the following articles:
kanji difference
Chinese and Japanese

As I have written in the upper article, Cantonese preserves ancient Chinese vocabulary much better than Mandarin does, and it also preserves codas (syllable-final consonants) well, but these facts don't mean it comes directly from ancient Chinese.

The oldest Chinese language seems purely head-first. Compare the legendary king 帝堯 (title + name, head-first) and Hàn's 武帝 (name + title, head-last), for example. This difference is still observed in Cantonese and Mandarin, such as 鷄公 and 人客 (head-first) in Cantonese and 公鷄 and 客人 (head-last) in Mandarin.

wow , i think the writing is nice !! what wrong with him ?

http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/japanese/me...tBEtHzlAID.html


> > In addition, linguists don't count loanwords, which help us study foreign languages. Korean and Vietnamese have more Chinese-origin words than Japanese because of thier proximity to China, but all of them have lots of Japanese-made Chinese words such as 経済 (けいざい), 科学 (かがく), and 民主主義 (みんしゅしゅぎ).
>
> So all of those words were Japanese made?

Yes. There are about ten thousand Japanese-made words in Chinese.

> Japanese doesn't even use Japanese numbers anymore.

It was good to throw away the ancient Japanese number system and adopt the Chinese number system because it is one of the best in the world. Why don't you English speakers stop using irregular words such as eleven and twenty and use ten-one and two-ten instead?

> In Korean at least the Korean number system is fully alive and is useable alongside the system borrowed from Chinese.

They can count only up to 99 with native Korean words, and they know the Chinese number system is much better as well as Japanese do.

> How is it justified to say Vietnamese/Korean use more Chinese than Japanese?

About 45% of words in Japanese are Chinese words, both Chinese-made and Japanese-made. I don't mean the number of words in a dictionary, I mean the word counts in a Japanese text. I've read this ratio is 60% or so in Korean. This percentage is decreasing, though, because Koreans are de-Sinicizing their language.

> In anything I've read in Japanese that was a fantasy work, or a record of daily conversation I've seen nothing but onyomi kanji compounds which are all Chinese.

As I have written, there are many Japanese-made Chinese words in Japanese and in Chinese, and it's not very easy to spot them. Some words are very clear because they are based on kun-readings, such as 取消 and 手続. A funny example is 中華人民共和国 (People's Republic of China). 中華 is a native Chinese word, but 人民 and 共和国 are Japanese-made words. It's true, however, that Japanese has imported many Chinese words - but so what? I'm sure no one can write a thesis in English without Latin- or French-origin words.

> I think Japanese is dominated by Chinese language and culture.

I don't blame you. Not many Westerners can distinguish China and Japan. ;-) Having lots of Japanese-made Chinese words, Japanese is not dominated by Chinese as you think. It's no wonder Japan is culturally close to China because they are geographically close, but the difference between China and Japan is bigger than that between, say, Italy and England.

There are many differences in religion, foods, family system, social system, etc. For instance, Chinese are atheists/Confucianists/Taoists, and Japanese are animists/Buddhists/Shintoists. I'd like to focus on art here.

The biggest impact Japan made before World War II was on paintings. Japonism appeared in the mid-19th century when Japan opened its ports and began exporting artistic products to the West, and you should never underrate this movement, which has completely changed the history of art. This has nothing to do with Chinese art. Japonism broke the limitations of Western art that few Western painters could notice - realism, symmetry, orthogonality, and Christianity - and produced Impressionism, Art Nouveau, Secessionism, and so on. Japan is still good at visual art, such as manga and anime. They have nothing to do with China, either.

You might be interested in comparing Western crests and Japanese crests. It's clearly the latter that are cool and modern. Have a look at Louis Vuitton for example.

> I know Manchu is similar to Altaic languages because it's spoken by Mongolians who were absorbed into China

Manchus are not Mongolians, but both of them are Altaic people. China didn't absorb Altaic people actually; Ancient Chinese were wiped out and Altaic people just conquered northern China. In other words, northern Chinese people are Sinicized Altaic people.

> but I've never heard that Mandarin Chinese has any connection with Altaic languages?

The Mandarin word order is strongly influenced by Altaic languages. Daic languages and ancient Chinese are head-first, while Altaic languages are head-last. Southern Chinese languages are head-first with some head-last rules, and Mandarin is a mixture of head-first and head-last. Read HASHIMOTO Mantarô's works if available.

yup he was going to, but it causes too much confusion and he also love chinese poetry too much..therefore it doesn't work out... i'm glad he didn't change chinese to like viet, otherwise i will commit suicide..haha

even though China uses simplified chinese, but we still able to read our traditional text and we can learn to write it easily

i don't think vietnamese able to read their traditional text

Only about 5% is in simplified forms, so of course one is expected to still understand it.

Can I have comments on the above quote.

Well, I don't know wheter or not Mandarin was that heavily influenced by Altaic-speaking people, the only thing I know for sure is that the Mandarin "er" sound and the tongue rolling came from those people, probably the Nuzhen.



Personally I think both Putonghua and Cantonese came from ancient Chinese, but evolved seperately when some people migrated north and some other migrated south. There are still many similarities between Mandarin and Cantonese like sayings, grammar etc. which prove that they had a common root.

hey, maybe you should make a new thread on this ,as we're not supposed to post this in the vietnamese forum.

sure hope viet doesn't sound like Thai, Khmers, and Laos...no offense but I find these language unattractive, even when coming from a hottie. Probably cuz i get headache everytime I listen to them...

That sucks man, but Vietnamese does sound like Thai and Laos.

i also find my own language(khmer) annoying for some reason.. there is a lot of prrrr sound and that's the most annoying part.. i really hate khmer romanized words also..

I can see that the Southern dialect sound like Khmer and Thai, but does the Northern dialect sound like Khmer and Thai too?

Yup it sounds like Laos.

um , maybe its me but i dont see how Viet sounds like Laos and Thai

I always thought it sounded more like Chinese cuz I learned from my Chinese friends that Viet and chinese have lots of similar words. There's also the whole thing with mono-syllable and multi-tonal speech. Then again I can't really judge my own language.