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Destruction of Copts is Islamically correct
Posted: October 13, 2011
6:05 pm Eastern

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I am looking at a reproduction of an old engraving of Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulcher. It is in Bat Ye'or's book "The Dhimmi," which collects primary documents from history to chronicle the impact of Islamic law on non-Muslims through the centuries.

What is notable about the image, which is based on an 1856 photograph, is that the church, said to be at the site of Jesus Christ's crucifixion and burial, has no cross and no belfry. Stripped of its Christian symbols, the church stood in compliance with the Islamic law and traditions of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire, which ruled Jerusalem at the time.

I went back to the book to find this image for a reason. It had to do with last weekend's massacre of two dozen Coptic Christians in Cairo by Egyptian military and street mobs, which also left hundreds wounded. The unarmed Copts were protesting the destruction of yet another church in Egypt, St. George's, which on Sept. 30 was set upon by thousands of Muslim men following Friday prayers. Why? The trigger was repair work on the building – work that the local council and governor had approved.

Does that explanation make any sense? Not to anyone ignorant of Islamic law. Unfortunately, that criterion includes virtually all media reporting the story.

Raymond Ibrahim, an Islam specialist, Arabic speaker and author of "The Al Qaeda Reader" (Broadway, 2007), catalogs the key sequence of events that turned a church renovation project into terror and flames. With repair work in progress, he writes online at Hudson New York (www.hudson-ny.org), "It was not long before local Muslims began complaining, making various demands, including that the church be devoid of crosses and bells – even though the permit approved them – citing that 'the cross irritates Muslims and their children.'"

Those details drove me to re-examine the de-Christianized 19th-century image of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher – no cross, no bells. It becomes a revealing illustration of Islamic history repeating itself in this "Shariah Autumn," the deadly but natural harvest of the grotesquely branded "Arab Spring."

Given our see-no-Shariah media (and government), we have no context in which to place such events. That context is Shariah society, advanced (but by no means initiated) by "Arab Spring," where non-Muslims – "dhimmi" – occupy a place defined for them by Islamic law and tradition. Theologian, author and Anglican pastor Mark Durie elaborates at markdurie.com: "Dhimmi are permitted to live in an Islamic state under terms of surrender as laid out in the 'dhimma' pact." Such terms, Durie writes, "are a well-established part of Islamic law and can be found laid out in countless legal text books." When non-Muslims violate these terms, they become subject to attack.
To place the dhimmi pact in comparable Western terms is to say the West has its Magna Carta, Islam has its Pact of Umar. Among other things, this seminal pact governing Muslim and non-Muslims relations stipulates, Durie notes, the condition that Christians "will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church or sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration."

Thus, this anti-Coptic violence, which for the moment has caught world attention, is Islamically correct. This is the piece of the puzzle Westerners fail to grasp. But Durie takes us through the theological steps: "For some pious Muslims in Egypt today, the act of repairing a church is a flagrant provocation, a breach of the peace, which amounts to a deliberate revocation of one's right to exist in the land." As such, it "becomes a legitimate topic for sermons in the mosque (where) the faithful are urged ... to uphold the honor of Islam." In Islamic terms, then, the destruction of the church is no injustice, as Durie writes. It is "even a duty to destroy the church and even the lives of Christians who have the temerity to repair their churches." That's because dhimmi who take to the streets to protest the Islamically just destruction of the church "are also rebels who have forfeited their rights (under the pact) to 'safety and protection.'" As violators of the "dhimmi" pact, they become fair game.

It's quite simple, but the theology eludes us. Why? I think the answer is that to expose the facts about Shariah in the Western milieu is to invite their criticism. Such criticism is forbidden under Shariah. So, we remain silent – which is what good "dhimmi" do.

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elleX0
The importance of this article will elude many. I would like to highlight the most important aspects of what is usually missed because articles are never read thoroughly.

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Islam has its Pact of Umar. Among other things, this seminal pact governing Muslim and non-Muslims relations stipulates, Durie notes, the condition that Christians"will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church or sanctuary for a monk, "nor restore any place of worship" that needs restoration."

Thus, this anti-Coptic violence, which for the moment has caught world attention, is Islamically correct.

This is the piece of the puzzle Westerners fail to grasp. But Durie takes us through the theological steps: "For some pious Muslims in Egypt today, the act of repairing a church is a flagrant provocation, a breach of the peace, which amounts to a deliberate revocation of one's right to exist in the land." As such, it "becomes a legitimate topic for sermons in the mosque (where) the faithful are urged ... to uphold the honor of Islam." In Islamic terms, then, the destruction of the church is no injustice, as Durie writes. It is "even a duty to destroy the church and even the lives of Christians who have the temerity to repair their churches." That's because dhimmi who take to the streets to protest the Islamically just destruction of the church "are also rebels who have forfeited their rights (under the pact) to 'safety and protection.'" As violators of the "dhimmi" pact, they become fair game.

It's quite simple, but the theology eludes us. Why?


The main reason why the Coptic Christians, and the rest of the Western world, feel that the barbaric Muslims are unjust and have acted in bigotry is because the Western Christians have no comprehension of the Islamic religion and their ideology and their holy scripts. (O course the same can be said about Muslims not understanding Christian ideologies.) This is where it is as much an error of perception for the Coptic Christians to complain after (unknowingly) violating Islamic diktats. It shows the importance for Christians (especially Christian clergy)to know and understand Islam to know if they are in fact offending Islamic beliefs. Bishop Hubertus Lenteng of Ruteng's article is another case in pooint showing this lack of understanding of Islam (The caliphate and Dhimmi). ( http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=298993 ) This is why it is so important for the world to understand Islamic ideology and Islamic goals in detail before we condemn, and that is the purpose of these replies, to elucidate.
tangawizi
Do you think it was the tenets of Islam solely that instigated the folks at the Friday prayers in Cairo to go out and destroy Coptic churches? Do you think there are other instigating factors too that caused the Friday prayers to go out and cause mayhem?

If you believe that the Islamic tenets alone can cause such vandalistic gansterism, and there's no other instigating factors, then we should also worry about the tenets contained in Deuteronomy in the Old Testament. For then these tenets contained there can instigate the Sunday bible groups to go out and destroy mosques and temples... shouldn't we? No, we don't worry about this... why? Because the other instigating factors aren't there...are they? yet...

elleX0
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Oct 16 2011, 05:25 AM) *
Do you think it was the tenets of Islam solely that instigated the folks at the Friday prayers in Cairo to go out and destroy Coptic churches? Do you think there are other instigating factors too that caused the Friday prayers to go out and cause mayhem?

If you believe that the Islamic tenets alone can cause such vandalistic gansterism, and there's no other instigating factors, then we should also worry about the tenets contained in Deuteronomy in the Old Testament. For then these tenets contained there can instigate the Sunday bible groups to go out and destroy mosques and temples... shouldn't we? No, we don't worry about this... why? Because the other instigating factors aren't there...are they? yet...

You are the one who knows all the answers. You tell us.
Hugham
Isn't Coptic Christians did the same thing with Pagan followers around 2000 years ago?

Both Egyptian Christians and Muslims are not very different, it's part of the Middle East culture and their religions teaching.

You guys are too dramatic.
Hugham
EDIT: Double Post
elleX0
QUOTE (Hugham @ Oct 16 2011, 10:10 AM) *
Isn't Coptic Christians did the same thing with Pagan followers around 2000 years ago?

Both Egyptian Christians and Muslims are not very different, it's part of the Middle East culture and their religions teaching.

You guys are too dramatic.

The ideology of Coptic Christians is different from Islamic ideology and can never fuse together. Google: Understanding Islam.
Hugham
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You should read the history of Christianity as well before the rise of Islam.

And the Christian relationship with the extinction of Pagan religions and temples in Egypt and Europe.

If there are similarity between Christianity and Islam, it's not so surprising since both of them came from the same root, the same teaching, mentality and behavior.
elleX0
QUOTE (Hugham @ Oct 16 2011, 11:03 AM) *
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You should read the history of Christianity as well before the rise of Islam.

And the Christian relationship with the extinction of Pagan religions and temples in Egypt and Europe.

If there are similarity between Christianity and Islam, it's not so surprising since both of them came from the same root, the same teaching, mentality and behavior.

Why don't you tell us about it. I am sure a lot of people are not aware of the early beginnings of Christianity which was of course, 700 years before the appearance of the Prophet Muhammad, and over 2000 years after Judaism.
Hugham
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What happen today in Egypt, it just like history repeated again.

Read this article:

Christian History
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A1.htm

And jump to the Alexandria, Egypt section: Alexandria: its temples, its Great Library and Hypatia
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